With a scientist and researcher ruthlessly committed to exploring the intersections of mind, soul, self, technology and love.

This is Neon Galactic.

I'm James Falk Thanks for joining us.

If you followed my work these past two years, you know I often cover the mysteries of mind, human potential, the convolutions of self, and how all these relate to ancient ideas of soul and spirit.

I've been actively searching for a connection between those old ideas and the frontiers of consciousness and science.

They seem to be two different dialects of the same language, and the most astute in science today are those bridging those gaps.

Doctor Julia Mossbridge is 1 brilliant example.

She is pursuing deep existential truths about our universe and our species while at the same time exploring how they can ultimately serve to transform our world.

The motivation on my end for seeking these folks out is just that, to explore how emerging revelations about the universe and humanity can offer all of us a better and more loving way to be.

Even as we push the boundaries in so many scientific and technological directions, we've lost track of our essential goodness.

Whether through distraction, greed, fear, trauma, or even apathy, we seem to be increasingly cut off as a species from the miracle of our own existence.

Fortunately, scientists like Mossbridge have decided to buck a physicalist dogma and now seek to understand inner human experience as an essential part of the universe's architecture.

What is love?

What is time?

What is the human soul?

And above all, the most important question who are we and what will that process of disclosure and discovery do to us?

In the asking?

Mossbridge's newest book, Have a Nice Disclosure, is a mind bending sojourn into just these kinds of questions, punctuated by poetic sensibilities and Mossbridge's own experience with government secrecy, redacted truth, and unwitting experimentation.

It's an absolute privilege to have her on the show.

Welcome, Julia.

Thank you for that incredibly thoughtful and accurate introduction.

When when I say accurate, I don't mean to brag.

Not that part, but I mean, the description of what the book is trying to get across is really important to me that people see that.

And it's gratifying to know that you saw that, and what a deal.

Thank you.

And thank you.

And it's interesting because, you know, you read the, I read the book and I was at first thinking UFO disclosure because that's what you hear when you hear disclosure.

But and it is about that kind of, but it's about more, it's about who we are as a species, what kind of reality we're living in, what role we're playing.

I really appreciated your discussion on love and how it relates to, you know, the physical laws of the universe and how we might think about, you know, it's action on us and on everything else for my viewers and listeners.

Let's start with just sort of a basic, you know, who are you?

How did you get into these subjects?

And why do you think it's important for us, you know, in the 21st century, when we're on the verge of AI and all these technological marvels, to turn inward instead of maybe continuing to push out?

Yeah.

Well, it's the, you know, it's the final frontier, right?

It's the frontier that we're like because it's so revolutionary.

It's revolutionary to say that there's power in each of us that does not require a single product to unlock because our whole model is based on this idea that we're deficient, right?

And we need this product or that product to unlock whatever capacities.

Instead, to recognize the incredible strength and power inside of us is extremely radical and and totally related to disclosure and UA PS completely because that's the secret.

I mean, that's to me, that's what's not disclosed is by the way, the relationship between this shiny object that you're attracted to in the sky and the human soul is pretty central to the mystery of Uaps.

So I forget what the.

Question is, but we were going to ask who I was.

Yes, well, who?

Who am I?

Who am I?

Isn't that what we're always trying to answer all the time, every day, right, I mean.

Yeah, yeah, like.

Externally, I'll tell you the external story.

Here's the external version of who I am.

So training in cognitive neuroscience, lots of work in technology, AI, understanding exceptional human capacities, so-called exceptional human capacities like precognition especially.

There's recently been in a series in Popular Mechanics about precognition.

And I'm largely their source and that I think I'm in their podcast too, although I haven't listened to it because I'm, I don't, I'm not a subscriber.

I should subscribe this?

Kind of thing.

I've been talking with mainstream scientists and folks about for decades now about, look, this is a real human capacity.

Our capacity to predict future events that we tell ourselves are not predictable is a real human capacity is distributed very much like music in terms of talent.

And of course you can learn it like you can music.

But your innate talent?

Will will of.

Course have some impact on how well you can learn it so that's kind of been my message along with this message of unconditional love and trying and trying to point out that you can study unconditional love like you can study any human experience and that we ought to be studying it because it's a powerful human experience and and it is not owned by religions it could be owned by all of us anyone who could experience it.

You don't need permission to experience it.

You don't need special permission from anyone to access it.

It is.

Part of part of what we can do as humans, it's our birthright and then where AI is going and trying to understand how we can use AI to help us access our own inner States and contrast between AI and the human soul and where that can lead us in in our partnership with AI and what the.

Future looks like.

I'm always concerned about the future.

I'm much more of a futurist than I am a historian.

So it's like, OK, this is how it is right now.

What is the what future do we want to move towards?

So those are all the things that are sort of the external manifestations of Julian Mossbridge.

If you Google me, you'll see one of those things or or more of those things, right?

Lullaby on the Inside is exactly, exactly this, the same thing as everyone else, I think, which is this intersection between spirit and sort of the cosmic consciousness and.

The personality, which is an attempt to understand how to be in the body and survive in the body and manage all that.

And this doorway, I feel like part of who I am, and I honestly think this is part of who everyone is, is like this portal.

Like on the inside, I feel like there's this portal that allows information from elsewhere in time or space to show up.

And I can use that information like anyone can to create new technologies to guide, you know, human development in directions that favor.

Unconditional love or good.

If I if, if, if I can do that skillfully, I hope to do that skillfully.

So it's this, it's this, it's the same stuff.

Yeah.

Reading your book, I could sense that process at play and correct me if I'm wrong, but the, IT seemed like you had the, you were inspired by the chapter headings, the terms, and then you've kind of filled them out according to, you know, whatever processes you used creatively to, to do the writing, but you were guided in some sense by intuition and by that, that sort of portal.

Am I right in saying that?

Well.

Yeah, I mean, that book was very weird in the sense that I, I'm like, oh, apparently I'm writing a book at the beginning of this year.

It was like March, February or March of this year, 2025.

Oh, I guess I'm writing a book.

I didn't think I was going to write a new book.

Here are the chapter headings.

OK, then it was like.

The.

Chapter heading was one thing like I think one of the chapter heading was like, what is disclosure?

I think that's chapter one or something, right?

And then I start writing and it's in no way does it explain what is disclosure.

Like the the chapter is like a story about this person that I'm talking to, like the reader.

And, and that's just what it was.

I mean, it came out all in a piece.

It took an hour to write essentially each chapter and then the book, all the chapters themselves and the things they discussed worked on me as a reader as well as a writer because I was surprised by.

All of, I mean, it was just as impactful to on on my.

Sort of process as it was on I, I hoped it would be on a reader's process.

And I ended up coming to terms with putting together a lot of things about my own experience and having my own disclosure at the end, which I didn't know I was going to write, but it's sort of like it worked on me.

And then I thought, wow, OK, this is my disclosure that I'm going to put in here sort of as an example of how we could each without hurting anybody, how we could each sort of say what's true without fear and without shame.

And with a sort of generous sense of forgiveness.

I mean, you talk about it at the end of the book that you, you know, had potentially been experimented on as a child in a gate like program called Sore and maybe as an adult and maybe as an adult, yes.

I mean, and some coincidences that seemed awfully stacked, you know, with the the job that, you know, Doge ultimately did away with and the phone call and all that.

But it seems like yeah, it just.

I've kind of no that's.

Great.

But that's interesting.

See, it's interesting you've lost your train of thought.

What I notice when I talk about this stuff is it's so easy to lose your train of thought because it's narrowing in on sort of like trying to see objectively and with and with gratitude and grace what actually happened.

Things that can be really hard.

So like you were starting, you were talking about the generosity of.

Forgiveness yes, exactly right, because those are what you were describing was a violation.

A lot of people would be very upset by that and you're not you know, you're not forgetting that it occurred, but you're also not letting it trap you within resentment or anything.

You know, and that's like really powerful for people because a lot of times to remember is to, you know, re engage with the bad feeling and kind of continue that toxicity and you're not doing that, which I think is.

Yes.

I, I remember it and the and the more I remember it, the more I I notice can come up inside like a little fear or tension.

I I can notice that, but turning it into anger is something I I've.

Done in the.

Past, but I've worked with it enough, the material enough so that.

I guess I mean, you know, honestly, everyone is where they are in this process.

So I don't want to say like I'm better.

I'm not better.

Like I am where I am in this process, which is a place of like everyone is trying to do the best they can.

And for some people who were doing this experimentation in this weird gifted class, which was called SORE, which I think was a predecessor to the Gifted and Talented Education Gait program, I think that they were trapped in this belief system.

That said, the right thing to do is to test these kids, do these weird things, give them this weird pink drink to drink and give them strange hearing tests and do strange things in rooms to them that they don't remember or make it so they don't remember.

I think there was a way to that.

They made it so that we didn't remember.

And all of that, they believe was the right thing to do.

I bet it.

I bet.

They believed it was for national security reasons.

I'm absolutely sure that that's what they they thought that they were protecting the most people in the best way possible.

And so they were doing these things.

Yeah.

And.

So it's like so much.

Has been done for the sake of national security that is damaging or hurts people or is unethical or is illegal or all of them and it's like.

You know I live.

In the Northern Virginia area, I'm surrounded by people who are in national security.

I have, I have a security clearance.

You know, I, I.

Understand the need for quote UN quote secret.

The I understand the.

Perceived need for secrecy.

When you believe that when you are of the belief that that there's no way to get at certain information except for people to use their mouths, you know, or to write it down and show someone, then there's this belief that if that information gets out, it could hurt people and, and, and that.

Belief could be really true, right?

And so I have to hold that knowledge that people believe that, and at the same time my own inner experience and knowledge and scientific awareness that there can actually be no secrets if someone, if the universe sort of gives someone permission to get information from the informational substrate of the universe or whatever you want to call it, that is used in remote viewing and other means.

That information will be gone.

And so and I to me, I feel like that's the, the big disclosure is we are not.

In charge of that we are don't claim the whole universe.

We don't get to control that.

And to me, that's the big secret.

And I'm just saying it out loud because it's like it's not a big secret.

Anyone can notice that.

That's the fear that comes up in government officials and defense contractors and regular folks who, you know, are involved in this at all.

The fear is, Oh my God, we don't understand this.

And it's.

Not just people, and we can't admit that you.

Know we can't admit it.

And it's like, it's so obvious.

It's like, it's like, I'm sorry.

It's like if you remember those old Shakespeare plays where you would see a Shakespeare play as a kid and it would be hard to understand because everyone would go to a masked ball and no one would recognize the other person and all the sort of mishaps.

And you'd be like, how can you not recognize that?

That's like the whole rest of their body.

Like you literally just cover.

It's like that.

It's like, it's like the, the, the, the most obvious secret, you know, So it's just like, folks, can we just admit that like we're not in charge and yet we have this incredible access to information both in terms of affecting things with our vote, even if it's not conscious, and also receiving information like.

We have that access.

That's what's incredible.

You can't be.

Controlled.

Yeah.

Well, though you talk a lot about that the, the informational substrate of the, of the universe in in the book and also you touch on what the soul might be.

And I thought it was a really a sound way to put it in terms of science and everything else.

Like you're not you give people who are want to be, you know, logical or dealing in, in the realm of, you know, concrete facts, a way to think about these things that is more than just, you know, kind of fluffy, you know, spirit talk.

And I appreciated that.

Like, I mean, the fact that the soul is a sort of an informational system and that it may exist both forward in time and in back in time and that we're all part of this substrate that is all inclusive, but we don't have, you know, free access.

We kind of have to train ourselves how to interact with that substrate.

I just thought, thought all that was really, really well done and kind of gave the reader a way to think of those things where they might feel a little bit better rather than dealing with sort of, you know.

Yeah.

Like I like I said, let's be cloudy in scriptures.

Yeah, and it gives a model.

It gives a scientific approach to an explanation for Scripture.

I mean, honestly, you know, I'm Jewish.

And So what what Christians would call the Old Testament is the Torah right to to us.

And there's a lot of wisdom there.

And you can explain it in another way that's consistent with both science and religion.

And I would say that's, I mean, I'm not Christian.

But I would say that's probably true for the New Testament too.

Carry those things forward.

So.

It's interesting because I've been taking a Kabbalah class and we've been talking about the loving kindness Sephiroth on the Tree of Life or whatever, and it seems like it strongly resonates with a lot of what you were.

Well, Jesus was a.

Contemporary of Hillel, the famous rabbi who just was like, look, if I had to summarize the Torah in one sentence, standing on my standing on one foot, I guess that's what he was challenged by.

He said, I would say love God and love, love your neighbors.

Like that's it.

Like that's, that's really like if you could do those things, like you're in pretty good shape.

You know, and so you know, Jesus was living in that time of like.

OK, all the, all these, the marketplace, whatever, you know, all these incredible rules, you know, 613 or however many, you know, like what we really need here is some loving kindness.

That's my that's my impression of Jesus.

Yeah, I mean, that's exactly.

And that's why it's, no matter how you want to look at it, I mean, whether you want to elevate it to, you know, the word of God or not, it's a powerful a statement.

I wanted to read a couple quotes from your book that had to do with that informational substrate.

I mean, it kind of rhymes with the Akashic record and the things that people have been talking about throughout, you know, kind of philosophical, spiritual history.

But the way you put it is is really good.

So I wanted to read it there.

The quote is there must be an outside of space-time dimension that is informational.

Only your mind and anything that processes information has to at least partly live there.

That's because information is not equivalent to matter or energy, though matter and energy can carry it, so it doesn't have to play by the space-time rules.

It probably has its own dimension with its own rules, and these intersect with space-time rules.

Whatever argument physicists make for why it appears our usual rules for fate space-time travel don't fit all of the examples we have, it comes down to that there has to be at least one information only dimension outside of space-time that can influence and be influenced by physical, by what physically happens in space-time.

It's like an informational substrate of the universe.

And it sounds like that you you, you can consider that the mechanism for a lot of the things that you've been studying in terms of PSI and exceptional human capacity.

Is that correct?

Yeah, access, accessing the informational substrate or sometimes I call it pervasive universal consciousness because I because it's a trickster.

But yeah, accessing that.

And so that's the sensory side, accessing that, receiving information from that that you're largely not conscious of, but that affects your conscious experience and your decision making and also influencing that through your unconscious mind, which you're also largely not conscious of.

I do believe is is the way we operate as individual bodies and the connection between you know, our individual space-time bodies and personalities with what we call our soul, which is like the inter interdimensional communicator, right.

People can call it the Super conscious.

I think those are slightly different, but they could be I don't know.

I don't care.

I don't have a dog in that fight something.

Something that you can.

Call it what you want that is, is sort of the medium of this communication.

And when you're in a state of unconditional love, which is a, a human emotional and motivational response to accessing this sort of actual physical universal love, which I think of as a physical force.

That basically is that which connects that.

When you're in that state of universal unconditional love as a response to accessing universal love, you're much more capable of both the input and the output with the, the, the, the sensory in the motor directions, with the informational substrate.

So when people want to learn to do this, I think it's kind of beautiful because what really they're learning is how to put themselves in a place of unconditional love.

Yeah.

And the benefits that that has for all of us can't be overstated.

Especially good idea.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Please do that more.

One thing I wanted to dive a little bit deeper in is the physics of love, which you I mean again, I love the ideas that you have here that you basically say that all the physical forces, gravity, electromagnetism, strong and nuclear or strong and weak nuclear forces are aspects of universal love.

And so potentially is space-time.

Can you expand, can you expand on that?

And then also bosons kind of play a role in that.

So if.

Those are the.

Best, best.

Things, yes.

So yeah, what I'm what I mean by that is really simple, which is that it's this, it's this idea that everything comes from one if everything comes from what if everything comes from one seed?

I don't want to call it a thing because that sounds very material, but seed is material.

But anyway, if everything comes from one foundational force, it seems to me that foundational force.

Which is not quite accurate.

Force is not quite accurate.

But anyway, thing, idea, substance is universal love.

Because if we're defining universal love, is that.

Which connects which is a beautiful.

Description and simple and it rhymes with real quick.

I just wanted to tell her Dave Chardin's book The Phenomenon of man.

He talks about that and it's a very similar definition to what you're, what you're using here.

Well, what's?

Interesting.

Too, I didn't know that that I I I read that book when I was a kid and I was like blown away.

But I didn't remember that.

But that's a good point.

I probably got that from him and or at least my own experience plus plus him.

But yeah, but.

I'm not saying that you stole the idea.

I mean, it's no, no, no.

I I stole all all the.

Ideas.

Yeah, all ideas are still stolen anyway, right?

I mean, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, like.

Trace them back to who?

But no, it's so it's the idea that.

Connection is the underlying entity.

Obviously I'm struggling with a noun.

It doesn't feel like a noun, it feels like a verb, which is why I'm struggling.

With connecting is what creates the rest of the universe the act of connecting, right?

So that's universal left that which connects.

So you don't get space-time without, you can't even speak about what space-time is without relationship connection.

You can't speak about the informational substrate and how it relates to space-time without connection.

You can't speak about matter and energy without these relationships and by.

Connection.

I don't mean to always.

Pull it like an attractive force.

Like there's also repulsive force.

Those are two that's connection of just different signs, right?

And so when you think of these forces, that's just a description of a relationship that governs different things.

Relationship relationship.

Strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force, all of it is.

Relationship and relationship is this description of connection.

So each of those is essentially an equation of connection that describes the relationship.

So when it comes to bosons, so the reason I sort of bring up bosons versus fermions.

So for those who are not super into this fermions are you're more so, so let's say all particles can either be bosons or fermions.

That's the sort of standard idea to my knowledge.

And maybe I'm wrong, but I think this is true right now.

Fermions are your.

More let's act like billiard balls kind of particles in that you have a fermion here.

So like you have, let's say an an electron here that cannot be in the same place as this electron.

If this electron is in this place and has this particular quantum configuration, there's no way that this other electron can be in the same place with the same quantum configuration, OK?

Sort of makes sense, right?

Yeah.

My glass rules we're used to, yeah.

My glass can't be in the same place as a frog, you know, unless the frog's in the glass.

So bosons however, are like, by the way, here's a boson, let's say like as a photon, which are bosons also Higgs boson as a boson, but let's say it's a photon, this photon.

Can be in the same place as another photon that has exactly the same properties and in fact it's also by the way, if this photon is here in 2025 and this photon is here in 1932 and they have the same properties if they have the same momentum, they've.

Got the same, you know, polarization.

They've got the same frequency.

Those are the same photon.

What so?

They so photons are cool because they're like pretty time independent.

Those are the same photon and.

So, so bosons rock in my world view, and they're my sort of vote.

If you have to think about the, you know, I, I have no idea what the physics of love will end up being, but this is sort of my first stab attempt.

If you have to think about the physics of love.

And I felt like when I wrote that chapter, I had to do that because that was the chapter title.

It feels like bosons are like the first guess for something that binds together this informational substrate dimension with this space-time matter energy thing.

Because clearly they're not following these space-time rules and these matter and energy rules that we're used to like those.

Those are very unusual rules.

Those feel more like informational rules.

What matters is the description of the photon rather than the location in space-time.

That feels very informational.

So that's what I was saying about bosons.

I love that.

And you also have a role for humankind in there where the the mind is basically information receiver or something like that.

Can you The mind is like.

A like a medium like.

First of all, the mind doesn't live in space-time, right?

The mind you can't point to the location just like one of these photons.

Right, you can't point to the mind in space-time like.

You could point to a.

Photon in space-time, I guess if you absorb it, you know, but now it's kind of like the end of that, that, that, that world line for that photon from, from the mission to absorption is it's, it's now it's sort of ending.

Where's the mind keeps going.

I don't think you can point to it in space-time.

I think you can point to when, when you think of thought like it is, you know, December 12th and it's 12:35 PM Eastern.

And I am having these thoughts with you about where the mind is OK And when the mind is in time.

But that doesn't mean the mind is actually at that time, right?

So it's like the mind is more like these bosons.

And so it's more like this bridge that.

Bridges the informational substrate and space-time, matter energy world.

So the mind is the sort of bringing in from the informational, from puck, the pervasive universal consciousness informational substrate.

It's bringing the bringing in of the information that can be disclosed, can be disclosed if your unconscious mind decides to disclose it.

And it's the.

Pushing out of this is my intention, this is my prayer, this is my wish.

So the mind is bigger than the brain, and the brain is the tool that anchors it into this body and anchors the conscious and figures out what's going to be presented to the conscious mind, which is like a very small percentage of that, right?

So it seems like the the, you know, the subconscious has more power and clarity, but is less, I mean, I don't know, less awake, I guess.

I mean, how, how would you I love the formulation of your book.

You have the the humanist too.

It reminds me of Jeffrey Kryples thing where we're all like there's two of we all kind of exist in a binary with ourselves on the surface, but then also the steeper level of consciousness that kind of referees our sense of reality.

And again, like the higher self from, you know, ancient systems is something that kind of is akin to that.

And you formulate the least the first part of the book as this relationship and discovery of what seems like your own higher self or reflection of you.

Yeah, but I don't know the thing about I made the face about more awake because it really defends.

So according to our conscious minds, our conscious minds are more awake because that's all we're that's what we're talking.

About right now exactly, yeah.

We we just don't have any read on what's going on with our subconscious so.

This is this is all we got.

So we're like, yeah, we're more awake because that's asleep because we don't know what it is, but it.

But if you look at what's really going on with the brain and with the mind, like the part that's more awake traditionally is the part that actually has access to the physical information that's coming in.

And that's the unconscious because it has to process all these things that are coming in.

And then it packages it for our consumption as the movie of our conscious experience.

And so it depends on how you define awake.

So the part we call asleep.

Yeah.

Is the part that actually has access to all the things we're ignoring.

Yeah.

You know, and and potentially have some huge cosmic connective wisdom or, you know, I mean knowledge that I mean who I.

Mean something must because we know that remote viewing works and we know that you know mediumship works I mean with good mediums who have been tested with blind protocols we know that precognition works we know well we know that all these.

Capacities actually work and when you look at what I do, my work with autistic non speakers, obviously always, I'm not going to, I'm not going to say obviously always working with a teacher or a parent who is with the autistic non speakers.

And I'll just put this out here as a public service announcement.

If you are a parent of a non speaker and someone asks to work with your child without you present, find out why and and don't do it.

Yeah.

That's a warning sign, in other words, right?

Well, yeah, if they're not like a, if they're not like a speech language pathologist or someone who would not like.

And the reason is that that many autistic non speakers do have capacities that are far beyond folks who can speak.

They can be very right hemisphere oriented and these capacities are real telepathy and other capacities.

And there could be people who would like to benefit off of that.

And it can feel really validating.

And I, and I obviously this speaks to my own experience.

It can feel really validating to the, the, the kid and to the parents to say, oh, your kids special or to say to the kid, oh, you're special, you have disabilities.

You could help us.

And that's great.

But the question is, assuming that these capacities are real, what are the risks to this person, this human being, of being traumatized by what they're being asked to look at, by being traumatized about what they're being asked to help prevent or to help understand?

So that's I'm passionate about that.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

And I've had conversations with experiencers where they are getting more and more concerned and nervous about interactions with people who seem to want to get something from them and take advantage of whatever it is that's happened to them or whatever abilities they may have, you know, received as a part of that or however that works.

There is definitely a predatory thing going on and people need to be aware.

Generally I think that well.

And also the way it can work is if you know.

That this is a real skill and there are people who have it and you want to get at them, and you also have access to levers of power that allow you to diminish the skill and make people afraid to say it because they'll think other people will think they're crazy.

That's the perfect storm for being able to say, oh, we could use your skills, but you can't tell anyone you're working with us and we're not going to pay you very much because of course it's all very sketchy and maybe it's true, maybe it's not, you know what I mean?

It's like it.

It allows you to basically either not.

Pay or give a very low salary to and no benefits to someone who's doing a lot of your work because it's they're so grateful to use their talents because the rest of the world says they're BS.

But you're on the other hand saying literally, literally pushing out this information that says it's BS.

Yeah, it's a kind of this weird, wicked plausible deniability.

Like, yes, it's real, but telling everyone else it's not, and therefore you don't have to.

No.

What the victim says.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't never have to admit it.

Yeah.

Yep, and it's.

It damages people's lives and it's not acceptable.

And going forward, you know, we can do better.

Yeah.

I think there's a lot of.

Improvement.

Yeah.

Well, I think again, goes back to societal acceptance of these things being real.

And I mean, I, I think the science is pretty much unequivocal in terms of the the, you know, statistical proof for PSI collected over the years through lots and lots of experiments.

I've had Dean Radin on the show and Adam, I forget his last name at the moment, Adam Curry.

Adam Curry, Yeah, Yeah, we had a great conversation.

But they both have done lots of work to substantiate that this is all real.

And yet there still seems to be this, you know, materialistic hang up among the Academy.

Some of it probably do to government pressure, I mean.

Some of it could be government pressure, could be government contractor pressure, could be technology company pressure, and could be internal pressure.

If you're an academic in that world, you're trained.

I was trained in pretty highfalutin institutions and part of your training is shame.

So immediate.

Laughter if anyone brings up any of these ideas.

And then I was lucky enough to find myself during my postdoc with some really, you know, open minded faculty members at Northwestern who were like, sure, yeah, look into that.

That's interesting.

You know, and I was like, great, and so very lucky there.

But still, there's this, oh, I can't be associated with that or, oh, you know, it's so nuts because you don't even have to read Dean Radin or Adam Curry or any of the other.

There's probably now maybe 50 or so really excellent researchers in the field who have shown these things.

It doesn't mean they replicate all the time.

It doesn't mean people are 100% correct.

It means there's something there.

The same thing that the intelligence community admitted in 1995 when they killed the Stargate program.

They said recognition turns out to be really real and statistically significant in their in their final report that they that not, not the intelligence community itself, but that those they hired the the statisticians they hired to look at that those data.

But.

You don't have to do any of that.

That's my point is you can look internally and notice.

Yeah, like.

It's not hard actually.

That's that's the secret.

I mean, that's really the secret is like.

If we're like, oh, I.

Want to learn how to do that?

It's like, great.

It's your birthright.

It's not hard.

There's enough material out there to go do it right now.

Just, you know.

Well, that's kind of what your book is saying, right?

Disclosure is within and so go within and you'll have some of the answers at least that you're that you're looking for, which again, I deeply appreciate.

My questions often go back to UAP and UFOs because that's a large part of what my audience is interested in.

And, and myself, one of the things that comes up is like, what is the UFO representing to us?

Is it, you know, in your mind, is it an ET from another planet is an ultra dimensional intelligence or is it somehow a, an echo or reverberation kind of a feedback from the minded universe trying to get us to wake up to the fact that there's a lot more going on or all the above.

I mean, I guess that's always an option too.

Yeah.

I mean, my sense is that.

This is the, this is the universe that we've, the matter and energy universe in space-time is the universe that we're supposed to think we're living in.

Like we're designed to sort of think we're living in that, but we're also designed clearly to discover the relationship between that universe and the pervasive universal consciousness or the informational substrate of the universe.

And it feels to me like UAP, whatever they are, they could be any of those things are primarily about us recognizing these, these inner portals that exist in each of us like that the cosmos is really inside of us in a very real sense.

And what I say really I mean is accessible.

Inside of us.

Yeah.

And I don't mean inside of us in space-time, like I don't mean like a secretly.

It's like your spleen is the cosmos.

That's not my message, but.

But like when we when we turn into like our mind heart system or our mind soul system and we feel the truth of that and the expansiveness of that.

That is like a reminder, which doesn't mean that there aren't like physical aliens or whatever, or us from the future or all those things aren't also true.

But like, if we don't get that central message, we've missed the point.

Yeah, yeah.

It seems like it's a heralding this, you know, the the possibilities of what we're in and what we're about.

And we need to become more aware of that transcendental dimension, you know.

Yeah, well, and the other thing that keeps keeps making me laugh is this discussion of Three Eye Atlas.

And there's this assumption that's either like a technological, it's a ship, it's either a spaceship, which is like Avi Loeb's position, or it's a.

Comet and it's a natural thing and what makes me laugh is look, if you're sophisticated enough living system.

You have figured out that you can take consciousness and and will and maybe even a soul and and what if I say you, I, I mean like the universe, right, Like you by sort of mean God, like you can put the soul into anything.

So why I'm going to use this as an example.

This is a this is a a baloney shell, but this is 3 eye Atlas.

Why can't it be that God or the universe or some kind of version has figured out?

I'll just put consciousness into this.

Why can't there be a conscious comment?

Comment.

In other words, we.

We keep thinking that consciousness must only be related to like the way our brides work, which is we already know like through octopus etcetera.

This isn't the case.

But we still keep thinking it.

So why can't throughout Atlas be a conscious comet?

And it can do its own.

Things it can break.

It's but I don't know it, but at some point you, you get to be an intelligence enough species or living system that figures out like we don't have to build something like that's an old school.

You just take something and you put your consciousness into it and it feels to me like and the and I got that idea after hearing 2 words from a non.

Speaker Who was we were playing around with trying to read my mind and I've never met him.

I still haven't met him.

So we were doing this completely blind, but he was reporting that I was thinking about three eye Atlas, which I was.

And then his teacher asked what's three eye Atlas 'cause she didn't know.

And he said, it's a sentient comet.

And that came into my mind of like, oh.

Right.

It could be a sentient comet.

So anyway, that's the kind of sort of idea that I think we keep forgetting.

We keep modeling things after our own, sort of.

Our own development.

Our own.

Pretty primitive way of doing things like we have to build a really fast car and that's how we're going to go places.

And I'm like, well, not really.

Yeah, you.

Don't really have to do that.

You could just take like anything, put consciousness into and go go through a wormhole or not even go through space-time and reprogram the, you know, information substrate so that you can get to where you want to be without much trouble.

Yeah, it's interesting 'cause I'd had a a conversation with Bertie Jaworski about the the Comet Three Eye Atlas and she had a, her reading basically came to that there was a very small piece of technology buried within the comet and like it was aborted but wasn't intrinsic to its structure and was somehow along for the ride.

And that strikes me as something that someone who's remote viewing could see as, you know, the sentience itself being on board the ride.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you know, our brains are immediately requiring technology to make that seem, you know, to deliver that message.

But that doesn't have to be the case at all, you know?

I would see.

I could see as a remote viewer myself, I could see that interpretation.

Yeah, Birdie is near and dear to my heart because my my first remote viewing teacher was John Vivanco, who used to work with Birdie.

OK.

And.

You know, trans dimensional remote getting systems.

Yeah, she's a friend of the show.

I've had her on several times.

I just find her delightful.

I mean, she's super intelligent and brilliant and all those things.

And also just a very nice person, which I I rate highly.

Yes, that's a good, that's a good scale.

That's a good, yeah, a good scale to have.

I think, you know, one of the things that it comes down to with your work and also some of the, a lot of the other things that I've, I've been studying over the years is this remembering to value the internal aspect of things, that there's an external reality.

And that's what everyone is obsessed with in terms of our, you know, lives right now.

Everything is just the surface.

We are just our bodies, we are just our brains.

But the internal experience of what it's like to be human is degraded.

It's not real.

It's sort of, if anything, it's an illusion.

And we have no idea what the internal experience is of anything.

And so like you were talking about the conscious comet or the sentient comet, I've, you know, the planet itself could very well be conscious.

It's a complicated system that has all kinds of connections.

There's very much a chance that there is a conscious awareness about the planet, about the sun, about the solar system, about all these systems that are nested one within the other.

And that's kind of how I think it's working.

And, you know, maybe they wake up to each other and communicate.

And some of what we're seeing with UFOs is that who knows?

But it's all about, you know, mind and awareness and the power of experience.

You know, I don't know.

Thoughts.

I mean, yeah.

I mean also we don't.

Have to use the complexity of the material.

I mean we, we get used to.

Thinking that consciousness has to be derived from matter.

You know, that's no, that's interesting because that's what tell hard Tay hard day short and is is argues is that complexity is that root in consciousness.

But that's not necessarily true.

Yeah, yeah.

Good point.

Yeah, we don't.

We don't have to.

I myself have argued that.

But I I'm starting to realize that that comes from this habit of we have to have a materialist explanation for everything and it and if consciousness is at the root and not matter if if pervasive universal consciousness or informational substrate, which I see as an equivalent or at the root, then that is that is the place for which you argue, not how the matter appears like a jellyfish.

Have you ever seen a?

Jellyfish.

And you just know that that thing is really smart and it's conscious and it's like totally doing what it wants to do, and it's an alien species to be.

Like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's totally alien.

And it's like, well, OK, yeah, but from it's comparatively simple and when you look at its brain, so.

We just we're trying to make the argument that the level of consciousness depends on the complexity of some material.

Thing is just I don't, I don't, I don't buy it.

Yeah, it's an assumption we're making.

There's no reason to think that, yeah.

So I think the way we know something's conscious is by internally connecting and practicing that.

So the the great thing about doing that?

Is you could practice, you can get feedback, you know, so you start like, that's why I love precognitive remote viewing so much as a practice tool for going inside because, and that's when I wrote those papers about unconditional love, supporting the psychic capacity.

I use precognitive viewing as the essay.

What's interesting is like, I put those papers out there and immediately like the links got broken.

They wouldn't appear in places.

I'm like, look, I'm going to talk about these a lot.

Yeah, yeah, exactly right.

They can't shut me up, at least right I have.

To talk about these, but in precognitive from a viewing, you don't know the target until it's a feel to you.

So you write down all or you record all of your perceptions of the target and then a random number generator is used to reveal the target to you.

And it's such a great way to practice going internally and being in that state of unconditional love.

Because when you do, you are more than likely to get, I mean statistically more than likely to get access to the target that's in the future.

When you don't, then you're less likely to.

And so you can sort of use that as a measuring stick.

Also, it helps you from going crazy because you'll notice that you're not always right.

And that your stories.

About things that you receive aren't always accurate and that helps you from saying, you know, I'm going to believe everything that I got in my remote viewing session.

I mean, it seems like that there's often a connection between what you get and what's the what the target is, but the story you tell yourself as to what you're building in your mind, the analytical overlay can often be from out in the field sounds like.

Right.

And so learning to separate those and noticing that is such a great tool for the understanding of the mind.

I'm grateful forever to to my robot viewing teacher for that.

Last thing, it's the it's interesting that all the phenomenon that you know, the, I forget the name of the group, but there is the free study they put together Ray Hernandez and those guys, they did a survey and they talked about all the different phenomena that sort of connect that they think are basically that we're butting up against this transcendental realm, kind of like your puck, right?

And that's what all these near death experiences and you know, UFO sightings and all of these are kind of brush UPS with that.

And one thing they all have in common is this sense of unconditional love at some layer or level.

There's this feeling that is pervasive and overwhelming about, you know, being loved and loving in return and being kind of absorbed in that.

And that seems like that's the passport or the language to kind of begin to really immerse.

I mean, judging from what you're saying.

Yeah, that's the medium.

That's the.

Medium of connection, I mean like that's the human experience of that of knowing that you're connected on the inside the the experience is unconditional love.

That's the human experience.

But, but there's probably this other sort of scientific explanation, which is that our emotions are responding to this universal love, which is literally the substrate of everything, this connectivity.

And when we become aware of that consciously and we're connected to that, of course we're going to have a, of course, it's going to be a positive response that we want more of because that like we're designed to move towards the good, you know, we're designed to move towards that.

I We're designed to move towards God.

I believe so.

That's do I.

Thank you so much, Julia.

We're at an hour but wonderful conversation.

Yeah, Thank you.

Wow, this is really fun, James.