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There, Ryan, welcome back to the show.

Exciting start to the season for IU basketball.

Exciting start of the season for the new version of Film Session.

The reaction to that's been really strong.

I've as someone that has consumed and edited and read Film Session for a long time enjoying the new version, the new setup.

So thanks for all the updates there.

What's kind of been your thoughts on the reaction to that and just how it's been received.

It seems like everyone's really enjoying the updates you've been in the off season.

Yeah, you know, honestly, it was a selfish move this offseason because I was really kind of racking my brain to try to figure out how to get a little bit more efficient with it.

Have it taken a little bit less time, because sometimes they can be pretty time consuming for me.

So kind of started that way, but as it evolved, you know, I think it's had a dual purpose of both being a little bit less time consuming on my hat, my myself, a little bit less cognitive load on me, but also a little bit more engaging, a little bit more entertaining, a little bit more conversational.

I think, just a better product to be putting out there for the readers, last watchers of the world out there.

So yeah, it's it's been good and excited to keep it going.

So Indiana three wins so far, Alabama, Alabama A and M Marquette, and then Milwaukee most recently.

None none of the three games had been close.

I think most of us expected that Marquette would be a stiff test, and it was there for you know, a good portion of the first half before Indiana kind of put some distance between themselves and the Golden Eagles late in the first half and then kept the I think the lead double figures the entire second half, so wasn't really a close game.

I'm just curious, you know, obviously don't want to talk about the past of Indiana basketball.

This is a new chapter.

But I'm just curious for you know, we've been doing this now since two thousand and seven, You've been watching How You Basketball since what two thousand and two or three at least.

What's been kind of your reaction just to the new style of play that Indiana's had so far this season.

I'm sure someone that's breaking down this content right in the minute.

After doing these film sessions.

It's been a, I guess, a refreshing way to kind of look at this team now just from the standpoint of how they're playing, how the ball moves, the three point shot, just the offense.

I've found myself, you know, as someone who tries to stay as impartial as possible, but it's just been a lot more fun to watch.

I feel like I feel like that's been the reaction from a lot of the fan base.

Do you feel the same way and kind of what are your early reactions here in that we have three games in the books and have this have some data to look at from this team.

Well, I'd say this, I think it's pretty apparent that there's I don't know, I guess I could call them surface level observations that are very apparent right in front of your face because of the star contrast from the last eight years of this program before Darren Devize took over, in terms of, as you said, the three point shooting, the ball movement, the spacing, the unpredictability of what they're going to do from possession to possession.

Even within certain actions, they can do a number of things off of them.

And I think that's all warranted.

And true, and you know, I pretty much agree with it all it is.

It is quite different.

But I think for me, I'm also almost more curious about why that's happened, right, And I think this doesn't does didn't just happen?

This isn't this wasn't luck.

I think Indiana hired a good basketball coach that can run a system from top to bottom, a program and a culture from top to bottom.

Rather and he knew exactly what type of player he wanted, and as they kept kind of coming in, you could see, okay, this some super high assists rates from guys that he brought in the from last season, some great shooting, and a lot of experience, and so this didn't just happen by accident.

I think there's a coach that had a plan.

He even seems a little I mean, he's, as he said a couple of times, a little bit surprised about how quickly this offense came together.

But he definitely had a plan for this.

And I think he's also coached that, unlike the last two coaches, understands the assignment of being the coach here in this time and in this era where sort of the fan base is at, where the kind of university is at, with everything with the basketball program, and what he needs to do to sort of work the public relations angle a little bit, work the uh, work the crowd a little bit, as it were, but also is running the type of program and the type of offense, and has the type of background and experience to actually have Indiana make a name for itself again and get back into the mix.

And how high up this team goes this year or during his tenure, I don't know, but I just feel like there's a reason for this, and there's a good foundation and these are sort of the fruits of all that coming to bor here in the first couple couple games.

So throughout the offseason as this roster was as symboled, and I know we talked back in the spring just kind of about that and some of the pieces, But what were your general expectations entering this season, because we obviously had the sample of games from the Puerto Rico trip.

Obviously neither of us were there, so we couldn't actually we saw bits and pieces.

We saw some highlights.

We saw the Marian Exhibition, which you can't really take too much out of that playing what was a severely overmatched opponent.

And you had the Baylor Exhibition where they had kind of the quirky rules where guys weren't fouling out out and you didn't necessarily know how each team was approaching it because it was a game that didn't count.

And so I kind of found myself entering the season thinking, you know, this is a team that has obviously a lot of talent.

Offensively, there's the pieces if everything comes together correctly.

And again, there's been three games, so I'm not trying to make any grand proclamation that this is a you know, a four or five seed in the tournament.

I'm not signed to say anything like that, but I kind of felt like, if this team was able to get into the NCAA Tournament, that's a strong first season based on kind of where things were the last two years.

I'm just kind of curious for your thoughts on what you expected when the first game started in terms of what this team would look like, and if you feel any differently in terms of those expectations now that three games have been played.

I don't know, man, I'm like, I feel like, especially in this era, and as you know from doing the the Top What forty list now with Dylan before the season, it's so hard, especially with how much player movement that is there is, and so I I don't know if I really had a a here's what I think this team's gonna do but before the season, and if that's shifted at all, because I really didn't know and I guess that's just my honest answer.

I will say that I just think for this program in general, the bar it's got to be getting in a tournament.

I just think that that it has to be.

And I think with what was assembled before the season, I thought that that.

Could be achieved.

I didn't.

I didn't think it was like a stamp and guarantee.

But it looked like, you know, if you can finish in the top half of the league etcaed get one or two, you know, Marquee wins in the non conference, you.

Give yourself a good shot at that.

I thought that this mixed player could do it, and honestly, I would probably still keep.

Right there that I think.

I don't know.

The weird thing is, too, is it's like your personal expectations versus like the narrative that's been put out there.

And I think the narrative is this team is overperforming from what they've been prognosticated against.

And I think they're also getting a little bit of a buffer because the football team's so good that the expectations.

So I feel like going in the season, the expectations were like, it's okay if they don't make the tournament because this is a new team and it's a new coach and we're just kind of getting this foundation set this year.

But I think now in these first three, you know, if we can only narrow in these first three games, I would say that they are exceeding maybe a national or media narrative or just what people were setting the bar for them at I think that has been exceeded so far.

But as you said, it's only a couple of games.

But I don't know, I mean some of this stuff, I don't think we'll percrees are both going to be shooting over fifty percent from three for the rest of the year.

But I think that the way that this offense is constructed and this team is constructed, it can carry them on some nights when their weaknesses are being exposed a bit.

And I think we've seen that in a couple of these games, right, Like you can.

See they're not going to be the best rim protecting team, which is something that was said in the offseason, right, And you can see that this is not the most athletic team, but the style they play in the great shooting that they have and then getting really easy looks at the rim off of back doors and all the other stuff that they're doing to get easy shots at the rim and have high percent of three point shooters take three pointers.

It can mask some of your deficiencies because you're so elite at that, at least in these first couple of games.

And I think we've seen that that over the course of forty minutes.

It's like it's just a methodical if a freight trank can be methodical, it's just like they just kind of keep coming and coming, and over the course of a game, you're cooked.

You know.

Yeah, death by thousand cuts maybe is a good way to put it.

In terms of the approach offensively, what is I guess I'm curious to kind of pick your brain a little bit on this because you break down like you come up with a theme pretty much out of every game that you try to hone in on for film session.

When you're looking at, you know, at a specific thing one game, it might be Tritt Sisley, you did one on that, you did Taton connorway from the most recent game you've You've done, a Derees game, you've done Wilkerson.

I'm curious just for when you look at this offense and when you kind of see the little wrinkles, you do you feel like, is it how much of this is just concepts versus sets when you watch this?

Are they doing things differently now that the regular season started versus the the preseason, because when Derees talked about the exhibition games, he was basically like, I'm not going to open up the full lightbook.

And now every game I feel like I'm seeing like a little different wrinkle, whether it be a backdoor cut or kind of how they're setting, And it seems like we'll have two or three plays a game where they're getting like an easy basket at the rim.

So I'm curious schematically kind of what you're seeing out of what they're doing offensively and how much of it you feel like is actual sets versus just feel and just letting them play.

Right now, I still don't feel like they're scripting a ton, and I think it's more concepts out of specific areas of the court.

Right, So for instance, I think the technical chure and for this the technical basketball access in an O term is sort of that get split action that they're running right, which is either it's often read Bailey that's coming up to kind of the slot area kind of right next to the top of the key and getting the ball and from there, there's just a lot of things that can happen, right, And it's all dependent on what the defense is doing, and that's what makes it tough.

Right, Like if tuckerve Reese is on that strong.

Side with Bailey and he's getting face guarded because he can hit a three very quickly, he's got a quick release, he's got great balance.

Then he'll just cut back door and because Indiana has all that spacing, he can get an easy layup off that and re Bailey's a great passer, right, But that same exact positioning could happen and the defender could be off him a little bit and that pass just comes and he makes it three, or it goes into a dribble handoff from re Bailey to him and re Bailey sets a ball screen for then him to get up the quick three.

Or sometimes Lamar Wilkerson's also on that strong side and they're one setting a flare screen for the other.

And again, depending on what the defense does, sometimes they feel like they can the guy setting that flare can can slip to the basket for another back door or the three happens.

So to me, it's sort of a more I don't know read and reacts the right term, but it's based on what's happening in the moment, and it's a little bit more feel and I think because these guys have a lot of experience just playing basketball and are unselfish, it's just about what's being given in any minute, at any moment that I think is what makes this what it is right now.

And so yeah, I wouldn't see where as you know, I know you said at the top of the pod.

I've heard other observers at the program say this too, Like for me, I don't I don't care about uh comparing it to past arrows because I also feel like that's how it makes sense of what's happening now.

And I think the difference is.

When Indiana ran stuff under Mike Woodson, like I honestly think like their best offense was often Trey Galloway in a ball screen and either where a couple of seasons ago or Ballow setting that screen and then it could either be a lob for one of those the two big men, or Trey Galloway was pretty you know, depending on the opponent.

Depending on how.

Good the defense was, he could hit a lot of those runners in the lane.

But that was it.

It was like they had two Each player ran the same path on the core.

It's like they're bowling right, and you got your lane in the in the in this the slick there right, you're just thrown it in the same spot, right, And that's what that was.

And it was very predictable, but it could still work and they could still win games out of it.

Here, I think there's all of these different angles and all of these different there's so much more variance out of the same action, and that's what makes it so hard to guard.

And it's really that it's like a C cell where it's.

Like, all right, you're gonna lean this way, we're gonna take it back the other way, we're gonna we're gonna cut to the basket or otherwise.

You know, we're gonna shoot the three pointers.

So there's that, But I also feel like, you know, as I did for today's film session with Connorway, I don't and you know, he's one for six on threes this year.

I know he'll probably keep shooting it, but you know, he didn't have a great percentage I think throughout his entire career and you know, last year at Troy.

But he also offers sort of a counter to that, and the way that he can actually drive to the basket, not based off of uh somebody face guarding regarding him be hind the three, because he is I mean, wil Clerson can do it too.

I actually think he can drive the whole pretty well.

Devrees maybe not quite as much as those guys, but Conray also, as I said in today's film session, has his own sort of unpredictability because of the way that he plays.

He's shifty once he gets into the lane, and the.

Way that he was attacking, and they really thought it sounds like after the game they really thought against Milwaukee that they could take advantage one on one with him.

And I think, you know, he had like nine pretty much eighteen of his points came at the basket, either via makes or three of three throws after he got fouled.

So yeah, I don't know, I need to wrap this point up here, but more or less, I think right now it is more out of concepts, and as the season goes along, they might be scripting stuff a little bit more In situations that they need to to win games and pull that stuff out of their bag in a way that right now, I just think against these teams, the concepts are enough to be getting them through.

Yeah, to kind of put a bow on that, I mean, I was thinking as you talked to it kind of re reinforces the fact that you know, you mentioned earlier, Derez had a plan for what he wanted to do to get a specific type of guy and to be able to execute like what they're doing, they had to make sure that they found the right pieces.

So to me, that tells me that they had a plan and that they were looking for a specific type of player rather than again trying to just throw as much talent out there as possible and hope the pieces fit together.

Maybe you go after, you know, a little bit less talented piece.

Connor and writes an example of this, He people wondered kind of early in the season, like what's going to be his role?

He doesn't shoot, he did, but you watch him during the game.

He always knows where he's supposed to be.

He's a willing passer, he plays hard on both ends of the court, and you know, he stepped up and made a couple shots.

The last one game was a half court shot, but last game he was wide up and made a three pointer.

So I like the idea of recruiting to the system and finding the pieces that you have to have in order for your plan to work, rather than just trying to get guys and hope that you figure it out later.

So that that's been really impressive to me.

I'm curious for your thoughts on just through these first three games, anything that is a concern just in terms of when the schedule toughens up.

You know, it's been We've talked a lot about the brim protection and rebounding.

I'm curious.

I'm sure those are will come to mind.

Is there anything else that you look at and say, this is something that needs to get better or something that gives you pause in terms of when they get into the big ten play that it could give them problems.

Depth.

Maybe they've been able to split out the minutes pretty well.

If you look after games, it's not like guys are playing thirty eight thirty nine minutes.

But right now I think, and look, he's not gonna be playing ten guys.

I think once I don't think that's what Darren Deveeze is gonna do.

But and I'm wondering, so, yeah, I would say depth right now, because if Reed Bailey gets in the fall trouble, I mean, Sam Alexis, I think in some games is going to be probably a better matchup.

But that sort of front court role somewhat for we say rim protection.

But I just think in general, there are going to be matchups where Reed Bailey's going to be matched up on somebody and it's going to be a pretty big mismatch, right, And we've seen that a little bit already, especially with him as the starter.

I just don't think he has I mean, he's he's got a lot of great astributes and he fits the system and this is why he's on the team and this is why he's starting.

But he doesn't have much physicality, right, and I think Alexis is a guy that does.

And and so I'm interested to see if the season goes along sort of where the minutes are dispersed when they might need somebody that's a little bit more physical.

That said, as this is an old Tom kreenism, but it's like, well they got to match up with us, too, right, So if you've got to be garden rebail out on the perimeter and all those sorts of things that can maybe counteracted a little bit for yourself.

So yeah, i'd say depth.

And really how Nick Dorn fits into two things as well right now, because I think he did get those couple of minutes against Milwaukee, but.

Uh, it's it's.

Always like this is going so well and he seems to be, you know, from all accounts, has been shooting the ball really well in practice, and it can fit into the system as well, but it's like where where does he actually slot in and how does that maybe affect things, because it does seem like he's going to be a rotation piece and you know, it could be sort of the first guy off the bench and that might move sicily back a little bit.

So maybe just trying to figure out the depth and where some of these pieces beyond you know, Devreason Wilkerson are sort of fitting within the system, and also how that also sort of rolls up to the larger picture of a Big ten season where sometimes matchup dependent, it's going to be a pretty pretty different stylistic clash between the types of players that they have in the court versus what they might have to match up with.

You mentioned Cissly, he's been one of the bigger, I want to say, surprises.

We saw a little bit from his stats down in Puerto Rico that he was going to be a guy that came in and made an impact, but didn't play great in the Baylor game, but really played excellent against Marquette.

When watching the film on him, I think you made a comment on this on maybe on the film session that you did that featured him.

He's not a guy that really needs the ball to be effective because he knows kind of what his role is and how to move away from the ball.

He's a capable three point shooter.

To me, he's a guy that, you know, if Indiana, you know, can build a program where they're bringing in freshmen developing over time.

By the time he's a junior senior, could be a really special player, but already capable right now of making an impact.

What have been your impressions of Sicily so far through the first three games and what kind of role do you think he can have on this team this season.

You mentioned maybe going maybe for less minutes in certain games when they may need guys like Dorn and Miles off the bench.

But to me, he's he's valuable from the standpoint of he gives you a little bit more size than those guys and maybe a little bit better rebounder.

And to me, he's a guy that should be for the duration of the season playing that fifteen to twenty minute range pretty consistently.

Wow, what a different world he walked into than maybe him and his family were expecting, you know, this time last year.

I think he committed sometime in the fall last year, right, yeah.

Yeah, September of September.

Yeah, Yeah, I think he's he's really in a great spot for a freshman, which, as you said, in which I've previously alluded to, that he doesn't have to do anything other than play off of Indiana's main players in this offense.

And it's a great spot for him to be in because I think, you know, there's been mistakes on the court here and there, don't get me wrong, But he's in the right place at the right time.

He knows where he's supposed to fit off of.

If the defense is keying on a Wilkers center derees, he's cutting, he's getting baskets at the rim.

He's shown it ability hit the three pointer.

I think defensively he's held up pretty decently too.

And I also think just learning from you know, Chucker Derees this year as they're you know, I don't know if they're there's kind of similar players, just shooters with some size and what have you.

So I think being in this system, on this team with these seniors is going to be invaluable for him this year, and he's showing that he he already belongs.

I also like, yeah, as this goes along, he's the type of player too that I think in the Woodson era was missing in terms of the sweet spot for recruiting those not top top five star tier guys, but somewhere in that whatever forty to one hundred range where these are guys that can grow with you if you know, in this age, if they stick around, if they don't transfer out, and they can.

Grow with you.

And those are guys that as they become juniors and seniors, are great players and they really know what they're doing, they know the system, they have the experience, they've been there, they're battle tested, and I think when you combine a guy like Trent Sistly with maybe some lighter use, you know, they're still going to be using the portal, but maybe a little bit lighter use of the portal, and DeVries has said he kind of wants a little bit more of a balance obviously this year with the what's available in the portal.

It's it's the best way to build a competitive team immediately.

Sometimes it doesn't always work.

So yeah, I think it's a great situation for him to be in, and uh, it's a world's away from what he might have been walking into otherwise this year.

Yeah, you interesting thought they're just about the portal in general.

But I was thinking about this the other day myself.

You look at some of the guys Anytive brought in specifically, let's focus on somebody like Lamar Wilkerson.

He has been so impactful for Indiana really on both ends of the court, specifically though offensively, just with his ability to get to the line and also, you know, make the three point shot, really can score from anywhere.

But compare him to maybe some of the other freshmen around the country that were McDonald's All Americans five star type kids.

You know, I'd much rather have a Lamar, a twenty three year old Lamar Wilkerson than I would a eighteen year old freshman.

What I mean, maybe there's more upside as the season goes along for that freshman to grow into a special player.

But from what I'm seeing out of Wilkerson right now now, he's pretty darn good in his role.

And to me, you know a lot of it's interesting to me, Like Indiana played Marquette, and you know, in doing research for that game, I came upon the stat that's Shaka.

I think this is like his fourth or fifth year at Marquette.

He's taken two transfers.

And to me, in this era of basketball, as much as the Reez talks about wanting to build through the high school ranks, you know he's gonna sign two players this fall.

But I think in order to kind of stay at top of the sport, and you know in the long term, you're gonna have to continue to get guys like Lamar Wilkerson.

You know, Tucker to Reeze obviously was kind of a tap in Putt because he's the coach's son.

He was gonna come.

But guys like Wilkerson, Reed Bailey, Tayt, and Connorway.

I think the best programs on a year in year basis again, unless you're gonna recruit all five star kids and get them, you're gonna have to get three or four of these guys on a yearly basis to have the best team.

And that may just be how it is, so that that kind of that kind of way of program building I think is here to say.

Yeah, and who it's also like also end games for some of these guys, right give you think traditionally in college of basketball, recruiting a five star McDonald's All American, you might only have him for one year, right, and it's it's a fresh and he's a freshman, and that might be it.

Now that's conversely, that could be the same if you go out and get a senior in the portal.

Right, but all that experience, all that college basketball experience that a senior has or a super senior has versus a McDonald's All American that might be still finding his way a little bit and then maybe breaks out during the conference season, Who would you rather have?

And I think it's it's.

Been shown that, yeah, getting very tendered, experienced players has been very helpful for programs, and so so yeah, I just it's just another change in this era where I think these guys that have sort of been more college basketball lifers and through the ringer with it as opposed to like a eighteen year old star.

The balance there is different in a way that I think pre portal era you'd say, oh, you know, we want to stack as many five stars as we can because that's kind.

Of the only way to maybe get upper talent.

But a longer tenure guy could still still kind of net out to be better for your team over the course of the season.

Yeah, and some of these guys, quite frankly, are just more hungry that have come from these programs at the mid mid to lower major level.

I mean, look at Tayton Cotterway's journey.

He played at two junior colleges, then he went to Troy, was six man of the year there his first year, kind of waited his turn.

Last year was Sun Belt Player of the Year.

Now he's at Indiana.

He's probably had people telling him for five or six years, you're never going to be, you know, a high major player.

You know, you're better off playing juco small college.

Now he's getting a chance to play Indiana.

He's This is not to take anything away from some of these five star kids.

But it's just a different mentality than what some of these kids are recruited.

From the time they are fourteen or fifteen, they're already on draft boards for what twenty twenty nine and beyond.

They have people telling them, Hey, you're going to go to college, You're going to be there for six months, then you're gonna get paid.

Whereas again a lot of these guys labar Wilkerson and taking Connorway or two guys I'm thinking of specifically, just not that way.

Even Connor in right, I mean, he was recruited by Drake out of high school.

Probably never thought he was going to play.

I mean, his brother went to IU.

He told me before that he kind of grew up watching IU games, always fans.

He probably never thought he was going to get a chance to play there.

So these guys get to this opportunity and they're they're more hungry to, you know, show what they can do and show that they belong.

So and I've sense that too.

Just from this is just kind of like my observations.

Having a chance to talk face to face with these guys once before they went to the Puerto Rico and then once at media day, you can just tell the way that they talk about the opportunity to play at IU, that they're genuinely excited to be there and be on the stage.

I mean that goes for most of them that I had a chance to talk to, Whereas in the past there's been transfers where these are guys are just clearly there only for the Nion.

I'm not saying it has to do with all These guys clearly are coming to IU in part because of Nil, but I also think the mentality is a little bit different from these guys that have played at a lower level and are hungry to show that they can belong on this stage.

So last thing I wanted to ask you about, just in general, with this team, who, maybe from an individual standpoint, when you've kind of broken down the film, who's been the most fun to watch in your eyes, just in terms of how they operate on the court, and some of them maybe the little wrinkles that they've shown their game.

For me, it's been targetive Reeze because he's not a superb athlete, but I watched him warm up at the Baylor exhibition game in Indy.

I think at one point he was like in the corner, like ripped off twenty he's in a row And I was sitting next to Scott Agnes, who's covered the pacers for a long time, and I said to him, I was like, how's this guy?

I mean, at six seven and two twenty five, how's this guy not on the NBA.

He said, he's gonna be, you know, he's he's gonna I look at the NBA now, and I look at guys like a Duncan Robinson at Michigan that has made a ton of money in the NBA, like he's an elite shooter, and I look at the rerees just the way he He's not the most athletic guy, but he plays at his own pace and he doesn't get sped up by anybody else.

Like when he catches the ball, he knows like what he wants to do, whether it's pass or if he's got someone smaller on him, he can size them up and he's never in a rush.

To me, it's just it's just a lot of fun to watch because you can tell from a basketball perspective, and the way he thinks about the game he's a coach's son, and the way he just kind of dissects people on the offensive end is just a different level than what we've seen in recent seasons.

For how you basketball.

I'm curious, it's kind of when you watch this team, if you have any additional thoughts on the raze, if there's anybody else that's kind of stood out to you in terms of having a lot of fun watching so far.

Well, that first half against Marquette when Devree's got on that heater was insane, and that was if you want to talk to NBA, some of those shots that he had, especially that one coming off maybe it's like a double double pin down like on the on the left side, on the left side, hitting that three on the move was I mean, that's like, that's pro stuff right there.

It just is.

So I think that first half, when he really had it going and he scored in a variety of ways, was probably the most fun to watch.

But but I like, I mean, I think because when I think about the last several years of point guards as well, and sort of maybe the promise first the reality of some of these players.

I mean, obviously, uh Jalen h.

Shaffino had his moments and could really get.

It going in some games as sort of the mid range master, but Conorway is just fun because just his shiftiness, the way he's just kind of unique.

In the way that he moves.

And I also you could say, maybe kind of plays at his own pace too, or kind of does his own thing, so to speak.

So I've really enjoyed him as well because I think that that's the type of player that I know.

Sometimes this is something on a pod he talked about over the summer, just in terms of sometimes these lower level guys that move up that we're good at scoring at the basket.

Sometimes that doesn't always translate against Milwaukee on Wednesday night it did.

We'll see as it doesn't the Big ten season, but I think as long as there's offense keeps giving space, he'll have some opportunities.

And I've been enjoying watching his style play as well.

Well.

Thanks again for taking the time, Ryan.

Always good to have you here on the show.

Just wanted to say one more time, really enjoying the new version of film session.

Always enjoy reading and editing the minute after.

I know the IU fan are feeled the same way, So thanks again for taking the time to join us on this week's episode.

Always Hey, everybody out there like and subscribe, you know.

Yeah for sure, and leave us a it's a five star rating over on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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They go up in communally every week.

But our downloads have been strong now for you know, a good portion of this year, and want to continue to grow the show and the channel, so appreciate everybody's support and we'll be back soon with another episode of Podcast on the Brain.