
·S13 E5
Can We Pull It Together, & Is This Still Worth It? Discord Freeview Coming Soon!
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 2Welcome to the Syndicate.
Everyone.
This is Matthew.
I'm here with Mids the Elite and Chuck Dow.
Speaker 4What's up, guys.
Speaker 2That's really screw he's hiding.
Speaker 4He just blows charger b.
Speaker 2That's docs spok an astronaut.
Speaker 4What's up, guys?
What's up?
Speaker 2How much?
Speaker 4So?
Speaker 2Last week we weren't here.
We did our show on the Discord.
Folks on the Core that hang out with us.
Uh man, like I last week I had problems with Instagram, I had problems with YouTube, had problems with everyone and I barely used any of them.
Speaker 5So h yeah, uh YouTube, if you're watching, I will.
Speaker 4Suck someone's uh private if you quit fucking with our channel?
Speaker 2Yeah?
Necessary?
Speaker 4So yeah, so what happened?
They They said we can't stream for a week or so, Matt something like that.
Speaker 2It's just more crap man like people.
Yeah, it's it's a lot of reporting for things that don't exist, and that's why, like I can appeal them, but it takes forever, you know, sometimes you don't beat them.
Uh Instagram, same ship.
Uh, I have two accounts, right seeds the right seat code.
Both got not down at the same and I didn't post on one of them.
Speaker 4You know, it's because you care about it.
See, I don't care about my Instagram and care some I reports hit.
Speaker 2So I really don't care at this point either because I don't.
I don't really post on him other than to post the show because anything else gets reported.
Speaker 4Yeah, you know, I don't really put like websites stuff, so maybe that that's what it is due too, because.
Speaker 2I stopped that three years ago on a Black Friday, but I realized he couldn't put websites anymore.
Speaker 4Yeah, I don't know.
And it is so wild how you can't get on the internet and talk about weed, but you know you could see other stuff on the Internet that's kind of uh maybe not so great for human you know, human consumption.
Speaker 2Really, I watched a guy get sniped in the neck like three hundred times in the last two weeks.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's not good.
Yeah that uh yeah, uh yeah.
It's crazy that kind of stuff can go through, right and then like we can't even get out here and talk about weed.
Speaker 6That sucks, you know, it's it's I'm losing a lot of the passion that I had for this.
It's hard to like keep pushing through and be like, yeah, I'm gonna do this episode on this contact this person, you know, set up an episode, and then all of a sudden, everything's.
Speaker 4Gone lean into the mic brothers you cut.
Speaker 2Oh god, dang.
I took my mic off the stand because anytime I'd hit the table would make a loud noise.
I've got the whisper MIC's.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, I mean it blows my mind man that you can watch wars and stuff unfold on YouTube's watch you know, Ukrainian stuff or whatever, and you know all this and it's like, what, we're not even doing this ship for money, and they're they just don't let this just because it's weed.
They're like, oh, you know, we're gonna make sure you can't you know, post videos.
Then there's people though that can post all the weed videos they want.
It don't make any sense dude, it's so wild, like it's uh, it's all right, really a fair system.
I don't think you know.
Speaker 2Yeah I did.
I did learn this week though, that I am a bad person for keeping all the massive amounts of fun.
Speaker 4I can't hear you, bro, you're cutting out.
I don't know if screw no.
Speaker 7It sounds like you're you're backing off right at the end.
Speaker 4Uh.
Speaker 2Oh, it's see, this is why I got that new mic.
That stuff working.
Speaker 4Is it better now, the new new new mic?
Yeah, that's better now.
Speaker 2Okay, Yeah, I learned.
I learned that I I I've kept all of the financial goods from that readers it can obviously make from hosts.
Speaker 7Tell you, guys, it's all the money that the show rakes in.
Speaker 4That's wild though.
Yeah, you can monetize warriors and stuff and do videos about that, but you can't just talk about some herbs man or some weed.
You know.
It's wild to me.
Speaker 2And I think I think the lot of people also get confused when I talk about monetization on the channel.
Monetization to us meant like two dollars a month now that.
But but the thing is, if you're not monetized, it means you're demonetized.
It doesn't just mean you're not monetized the way that we got your videos get hidden.
Yeah, and so it's not necessarily even about the two dollars a month.
It's the ability to be seen heard.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2So yeah, we are trying to get more people over to the discord.
I'm also thinking about maybe doing what I'd never like.
Speaker 4Doing, which is keep cutting out.
Dog mm hmmm, right back again.
Maybe it's almost like once you get rolling and I'll cut out on you for some reason.
Yeah, that's good now, but you.
Speaker 2Guys, you guys carry it.
I'll come back in all right.
Oh yeah, I'll be right back.
Speaker 4Curiously, not too much.
Speaker 7Just start finally starting to be able to smoke off of the first couple of plants are harvested for for the wedding.
So yeah, that's been nice.
Speaker 4I'm trying to save something.
Brouh, I'm not smoking at all.
You know.
Speaker 7That's it's gonna be hard, but I'm gonna make it.
I got I got a bunch of other plants that aren't planned, like, because I want to make sure that uh, you know, a couple of cuts everyone gets to see and try and ship, you know, since fucking h No, and pack are going to be there.
I definitely want it, you know, to be those cuts.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Yeah, I was hoping to get a nice Kim d East Coast Sour Diesel bubble run down.
But it's just not lining up, bro.
Like, it's probably gonna be like a week or two too late, you know, But I'm gonna have some other stuff, some some pink pony club kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Oh man, that screen then switched up.
Honest, there there you go.
You're back my back, guys.
I'm boasted.
I almost didn't even show up, Matt.
You know, you ever get so high, Like I'm pretty chill most time, but I got so goddamn house like, like fuck, I don't want to get on camera, fam, but here I am.
Speaker 2I get like that a lot.
I get like that, especially if I'm in the middle of like doing the show and I start smoking and then I'm like, all of a sudden, wait, wait, I'm really fucking stoned.
I don't want to be here.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's just like, yeah, you know, I say some wacky ship when I'm big dude, or like I'm I slur my words and ship, so I apologize.
Speaker 7Guys.
Speaker 4I've been.
Uh, I've been getting ripped ripped today, dudes, it's a.
Speaker 5Clone day today.
Bro, I got fucking fried.
Speaker 2You got fried?
What you've been smoking on?
Speaker 4Uh?
Speaker 5Well, I got a few things, a lot of more.
Speaker 4This is something actually I wanted to ask you about, uh as I got a Death Star cut locally here and I've been talking to Bitter about it, and it's kind of came out obviously different.
I wasn't expecting much from it, but I wanted to ask you about like some cent profiles and stuff that you got from death Star backs in the day, because this one, uh, and Bitter change.
She can grow, obviously growing different techniques and stuff.
Speaker 8And stuff, but this one is more like kind of sweet, like sweet funky, almost fully bro And it doesn't smell kind of like soul free burnt pop corny like the other one did, like that runs through the crew, you know.
Speaker 2Yeah, so with death Star, the one thing like I would always try describing it as like burnt rubber spice cabinet.
It's really hard to be yeah.
But then the last time we were all together, I think it was Bitter that kind of I think, I said, or what with Soabby maybe?
And he said horse Radish or I said horse Radish and he said Hobby.
And that smell is like, no matter how you bad you grow it, that smell should be the smell so unmistakable.
Speaker 4But I was curious because it's as I'm pretty sure it's the same cut that Screwsin or a guy that screwsen knows yous because I ran some of those crosses of this, so it kind of explains why there's a lot of confusion out there.
Obviously I grew it not thinking like it was a real one or really, but I mean, to be fair, it's kind of nice, dude, for whatever it is or whatever it is.
Uh, maybe I'm gonna keep up if it's not what it is.
But it turned out pretty good.
Speaker 2Bro.
Didn't have any like burnt rubber to it at all.
Speaker 4It's got a little bit of that, but like obviously I just started hearing, so it's pretty fresh.
Speaker 2But does it smell anything like sour?
Speaker 4I don't know about that, Bro, not really, man, It's more like it reminds me more like a dude, honestly, kind of like or at least the st ones I ran.
Yeah, I don't know, Bro, it would just.
Speaker 2Be like a good sweet o G or something that people kept around.
Speaker 4Yeah, it was lanky and I mean it it produced really nice and uh but you know it's like one of those things uh got free.
So I was just like, well, I'll run it.
Speaker 2Yeah yeah, Death Star.
Death Star had a lot of fake clones very early on, unfortunately, because you know, like it was one of those clones that popped up in High Times pretty quick because it was getting hiked so hard.
So once it once once the clones and High Times and they do a three page article on the spread on the team death start it.
Everybody's got it.
Speaker 4Yeah.
I found a bag in the attic and that's yeah.
Yeah, like I mean I had I've tried the one that's in the crew or whatever, and yeah it's nothing like that one that was.
Speaker 5I mean, this is loud, but it's not that it's not the same.
Speaker 4But that being said, uh, what else, Oh I ran the super boof that runs around here.
Speaker 2Bro oh boy, pony Club.
Speaker 4Here I come now.
Uh you know, dude, I gotta say, y'all gonna shoot on it.
But I kind of like it, dude, for it.
Speaker 2Is no uh it's orange.
Huh.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's more like it reminds me of like, what's those orange vanilla cone things you get from dairy queen orange sickle kind of proper thing, not as not as orange like to me, it's not as like I've smoked.
I think it's like Clementine's and of course like tangy.
I don't know if it's that orange.
I don't know.
Bro To me, it's you know, she's amost something totally different.
So it's like, you know, what the fuck?
But you know, you know, the hy isn't insane.
It's more of like a a talkative I wouldn't say sativa, but yeah, the only thing I don't like about it gives me caught now, like a motherfucker.
But I ran an inside and end outside and it's it's it's it's I mean it's.
Speaker 2Cool, well both indoor and out.
Speaker 4Uh.
Yeah, it's actually pretty interesting.
Uh it got more chunky er outside, dude.
Uh.
And the smells and stuff are pretty much the same.
The only thing different, dude, is on the outside there is like this nuttiness to it on the And I'll meet up with you and get you a little sample of it.
It's not gonna rip your head off, but uh, you know, I've had a bunch of versions of it through like the recreational versions of it.
It's the same profile.
But man, like I was talking to, I think maybe screws and it's like one of us gets our hands on one of those cuts, and how much better they come out versus obviously, uh, you know, a wreck version of it or or whatever.
It's actually really impressed me.
So I, you know, we shipped on a lot of these things, and you know I grew it out, and I gotta say for that flavor, if you want that.
Uh, now that being said, cs I has got that.
I think it was the Forbidden Fruit punch, and you probably even more familiar with these types of flavors.
I don't try a lot of flavors, uh fruity flavors or or citrusy things, but uh, he had that Forbidden Fruit punch that it's literally like the same profiles.
I would say that the super Booth's just got like the better nugs than probably what you get out.
Speaker 5Of a random pack of that other you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4I don't know.
Yeah, that was interesting.
Yeah.
I got an eight by eight full of kim Ds ones that I kept last few runs.
Uh, I got a shoreline in there.
I don't know.
A couple of peanut butter breath plants that I really like.
Actually I can't.
I can't even knock those, dude, They're so loud.
Speaker 2Dude, peanut butter bread.
Speaker 4Yeah, bro, I know we've I know a couple of guys like that's then they didn't care for but dude, that for me, it's probably some of the loudest weed.
Speaker 2That I've wonder if it just smells like O g KB.
Speaker 4I don't know.
See, I never I got some of your shit, the O GK stuff, but I just haven't got to it.
Bro Ye, I had those.
I popped two or three little seeds of that, and I wouldn't expect you know how it is, man, I got a collect, a massive collection.
So when I run now that I'm running some of the cuts like Kim Dog and ninety one and stuff, it's like I had so many seeds impacts from like CSI and a lot of the other guys that were basically crosses or hybrids of those cuts.
Speaker 5So it's like, I stuff like, why am I going to run this Kim Dog?
Speaker 4Guess one?
You know, when I got the cut and if I'm gonna do that, might as well make my own and just do that.
So I have been popping like some of the random seeds I've collected over the years, especially once I've gotten like the really old ones.
So I just been popping some random ones off here, and then they actually really surprised me.
Dude.
I ran them last run and I ended up keeping the cuts, and I was really impressed with them.
And I ran them, and dude, they're like six foot monster raunchy, like funky dude, really really and quick.
That's something else that surprised me.
I I brushed some of them with the kim b X falling from HNL, So I was hoping that you're talking about now I'm still talking about the peanut butter breast.
Speaker 2Okay, they're really nice.
Speaker 4They're really nice, dude.
I was pretty impressed with them, you know.
But that being said, I'm about to run some GMO and some other things, so I probably will find what I'm more in a lane of funkiness that I like, you know, but I don't know, dude, I've been running random shit.
Speaker 5I got to I'm reversing at kim D right now.
Speaker 4It looks like, I'm starting to get signs of a reversal.
On day fifteen or sixteen, I think so nice.
And then the East Coast Sour diesel reversal didn't go as grades as I wanted it to do.
But I keep finding a seat or two every day out of some of these nugs.
Speaker 2But I keep some people get.
Speaker 4Yeah, I keep telling better.
I'm like one hundred and fifty one, one hundred and fifty two, I'll find a little seat, a good one.
You know, that was a great experience.
I fucked up a lot on that one.
Matt oversprayed big time.
I think was my problem.
So I took a bunch of the East Coast hour diesel cuts.
I'm gonna try it again and do it the right way and stagger better.
And yeah, I don't know.
I'm all over the place right now.
Matt, like said, I've been running little bit of hype stuff and of course the legacy stuff, just trying stuff.
I don't.
I don't have as much experience as some of you guys, so like, you know, I didn't.
I wasn't there for a lot of the waves.
So for me to like understand a lot of this shit, even though I might not have any good expectations out of some of the shit that I'm running.
It's like, man, I got it.
So it's like I'm gonna run it and just see what it is.
And you know, man, I'm just like, I know you.
You know just as well I do.
Speaker 5You can find some good stuff and random shit.
Speaker 4Sometimes it's like, man, just having fun and drawing weed and I already got some heads, so it's like, bro kind of exploring some stuff and you know whatever, I don't know.
That's where I'm at now.
Speaker 2That's a good place to be, just having fun.
That's a good place to be when you've actually got some of the clones in and you're like, you have some of the seeds lad those clones, and you're like, sometimes you might be like that, man, I'd rather run through the fucking packs of seeds.
Speaker 4Yeah, after a while, I'm going to run those these coast hour diesel reversals.
I got him in the fridge right now, and I keep saying we'll pop them, and you know how it is, you get them eventually.
Yeah, I'm gonna pop them sometime this week, hopefully this week at some point.
Yeah, but yeah, man, and I did a took some Kim Kim b X palling and splashed a little bit of the bat on some stuff, and I saved some of the falling to this case of reversal on that Kim.
You don't go good, I'll take some of that BX Paul and hit the d with a little bit.
And I don't know, I'm just having fun, man, you know, I just really I get to do what I want to do.
My wife's happy because I.
Speaker 2Ain't buying seeds, so oh, I bet I.
Speaker 4Get to, you know, whack off to my seeds and make seeds and do my chucking and fucking and I having.
Speaker 2A blast man chucking and fucking.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's not for anybody else, for myself, so it's, you know what, I'm just doing what I want to do.
And yeah, what about you guys?
Enough about it?
Speaker 2What are you smoking on.
Speaker 7Me?
Speaker 4No?
Speaker 7The other screw No, sorry, I'm a little bit baked.
I'm smoking on that triangle choke from the Lettuce service.
I got the triangle choke, the fifty six and the stone dape like drying their almost done trying now they're smokable, I'll say at this point, And man, the triangle choke.
I really got it in that one in the Stone Dape.
I got in the fucking perfect zone.
And I'm hoping the garbage Cloud I got it right in there too.
You know it'll make for a good run for me.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, oh yeah.
It makes me so stoked to still see you growing the triangle choke because it was one of your your first things you got for me and you were stoked on it.
And yeah, you know that makes me stoked.
I should have to talk directly in the mic I forgot.
Speaker 5Yeah, get on and dude, yeah that's travel cool man.
Speaker 4I did a I did a pall and Chuck one of my first few ones with that and the Happy I threes and uh they purpled up really nice outside.
Actually I ran in Michigan last year and outside and uh, I didn't even give them any thing to put them right in the ground, bro, and they ended up being like I got some pictures of them.
Uh uh yeah, we end up being like six foot tall.
And when I put them out late August or early August, and they ended up being pretty cool.
I don't know.
Speaker 7Yeah, I like I like dude, the one that that I uh, the one that I kept like it's it's not purple, but it hads like a blue hue to it.
It's it's weird.
Speaker 4The the triangle chokes iran.
They didn't go purple purple.
They just like had like purple on the edges of the leaves and like other spots.
But the when I did the appy with it, Uh, those outside I'm talking look like I mean, am it's this purple or you know, like real dark almost black all the way through, dude like kind of but it got it gets cold here too, you know, And a lot of times in my uh in one of my spots where I got tense, it stays warmer in there.
Speaker 5I noticed a lot of my stuff doesn't color up.
Speaker 4So if I run that cut like in a different this other little spot that I got, it's a little bit more cool.
Uh, the color up a little bit better on summit.
So but yeah, trying chokes cool, I didn't get is I didn't get any good uh uh.
You know out of those the few packs that I ran, I didn't find too many other ones that I enjoyed.
But they were cool.
But you know that's how it is.
Sometimes you run a.
Speaker 7Pass, you'll see the one that that I got hair here soon and see if because I'm interested, because I don't know anyone else who really ran them much besides uh like Charlos, and they weren't.
It doesn't see that other people got the same things.
Speaker 2Yeah, it doesn't with those they were a freebie.
And the downside of freebies is that even if they're good and there's good ship in them, and I'm doing it to kind of get it out there so that more people grow it.
People assign more value you to something with a monetary value stuff to it.
So there's a lot of times.
Speaker 4You know, yeah, I see people.
Speaker 5Cherry a K or what's the what's the one cherry berry?
Speaker 4I think it is.
Speaker 2Terry Berry sold really well at first and then kind of slowed down.
People stop hunting cherry a K.
I don't see any cherry ak.
Speaker 5You keep crying out in and out.
You got kiss that my dog?
Speaker 4Is it that?
Are you sure that's that?
Speaker 5Mike's like, are you supposed to be facing the bottom of it?
Speaker 2I don't know if I'm supposed to be on the bottom side of it.
Speaker 4When you when you bought it, the ship came a little booklet and I'll tell you, like, what the like, uh.
Speaker 2You know you think I read book.
Speaker 4Let's hey, you got you.
When you're a guy, you gotta do it.
You know you do it twice.
Speaker 5You gotta go back and do it wrong the first time you go back and read the book.
Speaker 2Eventually read the book.
Speaker 4I can read.
Guys.
Speaker 5Mom's got me on finans?
Speaker 2Is this is this better?
Do you think?
Speaker 4Yeah?
I think so?
Speaker 2Okay, I think I found the seat sweet spot.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm not bad chat.
I don't even got the chat.
I'm fucking fired.
Speaker 2Yeah you're fire.
Speaker 4I forgot even lost to be for real with your.
Speaker 2Dog good questions in chat.
I haven't been able to see checks.
I'm too blind from this far away and the mic.
Speaker 4Yeah, she said, what was it you said recently?
You have to upgrade your glasses or something.
Speaker 2You Yeah, this last week I went to and we're not we're not wanting to do it right.
My old prescription three and a half, four years in it is more blurry now when I put them on to drive than to not wear them.
But I'm driving in squinting and like barely seeing anything, so I know it's not ideal.
So I got a thing in the midd told me I need to re knew my license, and I'm like, okay, cool, it doesn't tell me I needed to do anything except go in do this shit.
I get in there and then she's like, okay, time to do the eye test.
Speaker 4And I was like.
Speaker 2And instantly she went.
The lady literally said runt row because I couldn't read, like the easiest stuff.
Off to the doctor.
Speaker 4I went.
Getting older sucks, dude.
Yeah, that's part of it, man, especially doing well, you know, growing, growing and stuff going upstairs and carrying bad I've been telling the guys lately.
As I get older, I'm like, man, I got a like certain ship I need to especially when I'm doing some chucking dude or something like.
Speaker 5You know, obviously I'm gonna go into a tent every day and look at what's.
Speaker 4Going on, So like I wanted to get it, get some automation going on, a little bit just ignored and pissed off.
But like I told to my recently, there's such things as a big two biggo plans, so like yes, so now I'm you know, I'm like, man, I want some yield, you know, because I'm tired running out of weed.
So got a through cuts that I like now I'm growing them in like five gallons, bro, and they're getting so goddamn big in the eight by eight that I could spend an hour just deleaf and defoliating each one, and trying to do that in there with like, you know, eight to twelve of these big ass plants.
It's just not It turns into a whole nother thing.
And then when you go to a space, especially with me being a Michigan, a lot of times I'm gonna gohead and spray some sulfur just to be safe, and you're not going to be able to get everything with all that shit, dude, it's just so much so uh yeah, man, So I've been learning new lessons.
You know.
Speaker 5They can't get too big of plants for sure in the tents, you know.
Speaker 4Jesus Christ.
So I don't know what's going to this point.
Speaker 2I'm high, but I actually tapped out on my bonnet or not bonnet, the Blue and Cross reversal.
I decided I'm going for a reg run of a few things and then do to reversal indoor because I'm not playing with this outdoor stuff anymore.
Speaker 5You need fly me out.
I'll teach you how, man.
Speaker 2You can teach me how to do the indoor.
I need some helps.
Speaker 4You need upgrade.
You have to l eds and share you start running the school.
Speaker 2I'm gonna put some T fives in there.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 4To any teacher?
I'll never work with the T fouls.
I'm I'm spiral Gang a CFL.
Then led skipped all.
Speaker 2That, Bro, No I did.
I did a lot of the big CFL like the Monster bullb CFL.
Speaker 4Things and idios.
Butever Bro and.
Speaker 2Sandy hadgo the the T fives for whatever reason.
Flipped the power a lot less because I was balancing loads through different rooms and yeah, it was crazy, and and T fives Like at one point I had them hanging in my bedroom so I was sleeping under T fives and they were on twenty four to seven.
So I just have a special bond with T fives.
I don't know about.
Yeah, No, I cmhs.
I do have a few cmhs left that's still work that weren't dim lux, which are the worst horseshit.
Speaker 4You guys have older cats man, like doing your fucking running those hbss and stuff with the temps out, especially how where you're at.
Yeah, dude, I commend you guys, like the fucking I could I get sweating here like in my tents, and it's pretty cool, dude.
I cann't imagine like fucking being just true that sweaty ass today.
Speaker 2You know, It's why I liked blowing up houses as opposed to like garages and stuff though, because you could use your central air the heat, you could regulate everything so much better.
So yeah, I don't know, I don't know if someone want to give me a house that can blow up.
Speaker 5That's what I like about this spot.
It's not the greatest.
Speaker 4Like newest house in the world, but the central unit, dude, it does have like a hint de humidifier built into it, so I can pull a lot of moisture out like that.
Plus you know, you know, I was that sweet dedicated u stuff or whatever room I got, you know, if it's veg or flour or whatever.
But yeah, man, I have a question for you, Matt.
And I've heard this before.
I read this before, and some of you guys and girls out there and might agree or disagree or do this, but you know, I played around the styles of cloning, uh and lately I've been taking cuts as I do maintenance, but instead of immediately immediately doing them, Bro, I'll still come in a cut cup full of like like a light nutrient solution and some rooting hormone.
Speaker 2Bro.
Speaker 4I'll leave them overnight, and uh, I seem to be getting more better.
I've been cloning fine.
I get plus probably all the time, no problem.
I'm calling maybe three clones at a tome off each playing.
I'm keeping and doing just fine and have been for the last couple of years.
But I've been I've been switching up, and I've been letting them sit in those cups overnight in a dome on top of them, man, And it seems like they're they're just staying healthier and doing better overall.
Is there anything to that, any kind of science to that or or or you have experienced experiment with that kind of stuff, Dude.
Speaker 2I would go through usually once a year.
I'd have one bad run of clones a year where I'd be like, what the I do?
I don't know ship, you know, But and it's usually when I'd play around and go out of my normal, which is taking cuts, sticking him in in uh rockwell, you know, with some pearl light a nice domeles some water, but in the bottom nothing too hard.
You know that anytime I'd change it up, anytime I'd go to aerow cloning shit like that, zero per se, I mean you know what I mean.
Like, Yeah, so I learned to stop playing just through domes, and I tend to have the best luck with that.
Speaker 4I get.
I get great results with just doing dipping stick method with the cubes and the trays and domes.
But sometime I noticed, like what I do now is I got like a five three martydro jimoh, and I got the ac afanity humidifier pumping into there and to keep it where I mean whatever wherever through that process or that I needed at what my relative humidity.
I guess I should say what I would suggested obviously, and I got it's got a thermosta and stuff.
So it's pretty nice, dude.
So what I'll do now is I have that tent and then I have to have them domed as well with the events actually open, so it's almost a double Irene effect.
Yeah, dude, Just like with doing that and letting them soak overnight, they've been working.
Like I guess I should say this, I have no problems cloning any other ways.
I actually just learned to do granny tech.
Bro finally figured it out.
Speaker 2I couldn't.
Speaker 5I couldn't get them to do it in a jar like a clear jar.
Speaker 4So I swich a solo cup and I put just put them in a solo cup with a zip hoc bag over top of them and just set them in my bedroom on a table.
Bro and all of them worked that way.
And what's wild is I guess I should to me, like cloning and stuff, uh is easy.
But with the kim D the East Coast our diesel and and stuff like that, I guess I should clarify, like that's what I'm talking about with all this stuff making it easier or whatever is like with I found it easier with them specifically to soak them overnight versus going directly into my rock lil cubes like I would like just a seeded planet, take a cut from or you know, from seed to plant whatever.
But yeah, it's kind of interesting.
I thought it was interesting that the guys they didn't say they have problems but root uh shoreline was more challenging or getn't root as well for them, And then in my environment, dude, it's the easiest ones, the quickest rooting one.
They blow out the bottom of the pots like it's fucking wild, dude, like it.
Speaker 2That's crazy.
Speaker 4It's interesting how like different, you know, how different it is.
Speaker 2I wonder if it's a pH difference or aeration.
Speaker 4Or I do what you did we talked about the years ago, and I do like what you recommend in this pH down really low and let them soak over in cubes.
So I don't know if that helps, like, and I am, like I said, I am doubled air and my domes with a tent and that actual humidifying and not just relying on you know, the domes.
Speaker 5I'm actually froming the attempts exactly where they need to be.
So maybe that's it.
But I also switched up from years ago.
Speaker 4I would I would do like aerow cloners and and stuff like that and use either very really minimum nutrients or or stuff like that had decent success with this.
I've been switching up up and I'm using an actual uh like a rooting hormone enhancing thing and and some nutrients too, and it seems to really be helping them.
Bro.
So yeah, I don't know.
I'm just curious.
If anybody else that does that, because I have heard people doing that and then stick them in the refrigerator overnight.
I've heard it, like all kinds of people doing different ship.
But I just found that, yeah, just letting them soak, you know, twelve hours or so overnight and a little cup, and then when I go to put them in my rock wal cube, I'll just take a new little snip off the bottom right, so I got a fresh little bit.
And I also am taking a razor blade, and I'm going down my stems a little bit.
Give me a little some cuts going on it, you know, on the bottom two so I have more area too.
Uh uh, And then I found two.
I stopped.
Speaker 5I stopped cutting my cuts bro the tips of the leaves.
Speaker 4I know they work fine doing it that way for me especially, and I still do occasionally depending on the string and stuff.
But yeah, well now I just use more home trays.
That sucks more space, but I just tend to not cut the leaves.
And uh, I guess where I'm able to keep that humidity where it needs to be.
I didn't.
They don't slump, They're just they're great, So I don't know.
I'm always experimenting.
Speaker 2I only ever needed to cut the leaves when I was using seventy seventy two cel trays and I wanted to fill every single cell without like making a mold issue.
Speaker 4Yeah yeah, here, if you stack them, dude, you just it just yeah, it turns the ship pretty quick.
I tried that when I first moved up here up here, and like, it wasn't like back at home.
I could, I could stack it up and yeah, it'd be fine.
It's just totally different up here for some reason.
Speaker 2You know, I'm up, It's true.
Sorry, sorry, have you ever done aero stuff?
Aeroponic?
Speaker 7A long time ago, in like two thy twelve or thirteen, I had gotten like that's it was a like a little one.
It was probably like fifteen site or something like that.
Speaker 4You know, yeah, I use that one.
Speaker 7Yeah it's just a little little guy.
But after like the first two uses it fucking I'm not clean enough for shit like that.
That's just not gonna fucking work for me.
Speaker 4You know, I was gonna wash them every time, bro, just about at least I had to with my setup.
Speaker 7Dude, which I was, But I guess I don't know, I guess I needed to use like bleach or some shit like that to like clean the lines or so.
I just I had fucking problems with it.
Went back to I'm still now using just domes and praise and peat plugs, nothing special, you know.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm gonna have the trick.
Speaker 2I have the trick for it, and I'm gonna give you all for free here tonight.
The trick using an arrow cloner successfully hilder, easy trick.
Pissing it, Yeah, pissing it?
Speaker 4You did?
How serious?
Speaker 2Nitrogen?
Speaker 5I piss on everything already, Matt, So I know you're lying.
Speaker 2Nitrogen's there.
If there's nitrogen there, you could get some growth.
Therefore, it is the solution.
Speaker 4I take a dumping in too, broch a little floater in there.
Speaker 2No, you know, I couldn't even kill like some of the shit with pool shock.
I'd use those pool shocks in there and stuff and run them through.
I would try cleaning every last bit that I could touch of the water pumps and stuff.
But yeah, I never could get it going.
I have like a one hundred and something one hundred and seventy something one out there.
I kept buying them, thinking that the solution wou'd be to getting new ones and it would be newer therefore or better in Oh, I can't do it.
I'm not sure enough.
Speaker 4Like here too, Like I'm already on a short roage of water as it is, because I have to use ro Bro, so like yeah, like you like using something like that and like the scale of one, I'd have to get a big one and like keeping the maintenance of it and the water to clean it, because like if I just used straight well water broke, it's coming out like five hundred ppm dude, like ye drinkable.
So it's like, dude, that shit go to and it's like iron, uh liquid iron essentially, bro like within a week are like sinks and ship our jack.
So we have to like it's like that.
So it's like I wouldn't even want to like try to fuck with that.
I'm already using up with most of the r R that could produce right now without going you know a little bit bit more bigger.
Speaker 5And man there was for a while, and I think a lot of new growers do this.
Bro.
Speaker 4You get into this, well, you can do it with seeds too, I mean you fucking just keep buying seeds.
But like you know, uh, I was just buying so much shit, trying to improve or make shit easier, and it wasn't like the most impactful shit, bro, Like you know, you sell you see some video or somebody else, they're they're growing great, and really it's more that they're just using better practices and principles overall, and it's not like just one an item that's like solving the problem and like making it great.
Right, Yeah, So I don't know, man, I think nowadays, I just try to simplify shit more so around the board and cross the board, because as you increase your your plants, like you're you know what you're dealing with it.
It's not so simple.
And I talked to some of the guys about the ship.
It's like you're running a two bout two and a three bout three is and that that's a lot different than running a room, bro or running at eight by eights and like trying to maintain the clones and like clean that space and if you're doing chucking, you got to clean the pollens.
And dude, it's a lot.
It's a lot of work.
It's a whole lot, dude.
Speaker 2I don't know, I'm all you know, you know what's funny is that most guys that stepped up to take these big, big cannabis jobs, we're starting from two by twos and three by threes and scaling up to like, you know, three hundred four hundred lights and trying to convince other people that they, oh, yeah, I could do that.
Yeah in room, I'll grow big, you know, bro, I saw.
I don't think I know many people who haven't tanked out of that.
Speaker 4It's you would have to gradually increase, you know, if you're unless you're a superhuman freak.
I mean you like to wrap your brain like I mean, doing it the way I'm doing it, I really am probably doing it wrong to be fair like the Uh well maybe we should go into that.
Basically, if I have more money and better set up, yeah, I probably do it a little bit differently.
Obviously, I'm having the handwater a lot, and I like her.
I have the time.
Speaker 5I don't have kids, so it's like it's different, you know if.
Speaker 4I have kids and uh, you know, real dreams and aspirations in life other than growing people weed.
I don't know they're like that that but uh, you know, I'm in there with my ship all the time, so it's like if I'm not working or something so that I'm getting off track, let's else talk.
I'm done talking for a second time.
Speaker 7There was a good question.
There's a good question, a little bit back hold on Bruh, mister b hash for twenty do you think do you think the market can ever bounce back from the current standard it is now to where it focuses more towards genetics and maybe raise the narrative or standard.
Speaker 4No, no, not after I've seen it.
I was more optimistic like a year or two ago before I moved to Michigan, bro.
And it's no disrespect to Michigan.
I love this place, and I found stuff that I like about what the how they do things here and stuff.
But I'm just seeing, like you know, a few of these cloning nurseries on not in the scale that they operate and how many phones they're selling on a daily basis.
I just don't see how, you know, if if it's all driven by profit and numbers and how quick we can get shipped out, Like I just don't understand how like Haze and some of these longer flowering things like we run twelve weekers and shit will fit into these programs.
It's just not these guys.
A lot of these people can do their own hunts.
They they umbrella themselves as if they are though say like, oh, you know, I'm doing my own hunts.
But like if you look at their menu, half of their menu is clones that are pretty accessible, some of them thirty dollars around.
Anyone could get them.
But they kind of make themselves seem like they're breeders.
You know.
I don't see how you know, with the control especially like two or three companies only most of the facilities and things at this point in this area.
Like I don't see how they can sell at a loss at this point.
And you know, at the end of the day, when you have overhead, you know, if you're a superhuman freak and you're one person, you and your wife can rock out and like somehow do this shit and not have employees and all this massive overhead, and you can generate a good following and stuff and a loyal following and people rock with you and understand what it is.
Speaker 5Maybe, but like that's like one in a million.
Speaker 4Like you're I just don't see it, guys.
And I don't mean to be cynical or be a Debbie Downer.
I just want you know, just like I said, I mean, you take super Booth for example, bro, not to you know, it's it's it's a very accessible cut in this area.
It might not even be the real cut whatever.
I don't you know, I don't know.
It's just I can go off of what I know my area and based on things I've smoked.
But my point is is like if you watch just at one local store, that that cut alone might go through thirty sales a day.
Uh you know when they drop it, it's you know what I mean, Like it's they're selling so much, dude, And I just don't see with people not pap popping packs of seeds.
Speaker 5Like they used to, how you have to really adjust back.
Speaker 4I'm sorry and ranting, guys, It's just I've thought about this a lot, shitting I don't know any go ahead, man, what do you think?
Speaker 2I mean?
Like, I know people running some of these massive, some of the biggest clone nurseries, and when I find out, like what's going on behind the the fact that yeah, they may be selling thirty thousand clones a week, which is insane.
I could the amount of manpower behind that, but it's exponentially more expensive to run a company that can produce that.
And then I find out how many millions they're in debt, and it's like they realize, you know, eventually they realize, we are chasing debt, we're accruing debt.
Yes, we're seeing money come in, and it's great to see the money come in.
We're seeing product go out.
That's great, But why are we still sinking further into debt?
And I and I don't know.
I wasn't.
I was I never joined the legal market when everyone did because I looked at it and said, hell, no, there's no way, there's no way you're gonna end up in big business debt.
I don't see a way around that.
So, you know, for a while, I honestly thought, like I saw some of the dudes that I knew succeeding and looking like at least looking having the appearance of succeeding, you know, flying all over the place, flying to Paris, having dinner with their wife.
You know, yeah, and I'm like, man, maybe I maybe I did take the wrong path, Maybe I should have got in with that.
But no, they all all of them ended up in extreme debt or they're not in cannabis anymore, you know, like they didn't make their ends to make it worth it.
I don't know if they're happy and how they made their money in the end, you know.
But well, it's hard to stay passionate about this business in the current climate.
Speaker 4For me, well, I wouldn't as the younger people are the younger the younger generation even really care because I don't.
I'm I mean, I'm my mid thirty so I'm not a young buck anymore.
Obviously.
You know, my brother I talked to my brothers and a few other people.
They're young, like they're smoking cards.
Speaker 2Bro.
Speaker 5It's like, I wonder if do they even care, like you know, like that, you know.
Speaker 4So it's like for me, I think though that being said, I don't mean to sound like it's the end of the world, but I feel like it's gonna be one of those deals.
Like ideally, uh, you know, people will create their own little groups and stuff and it'll be more like what we're doing right here, dude, is the hobby or a niche thing and and you enjoy it for what it is, and it'll be the nerds and uh, and you know, I don't know, man, as far as like recreational or for the masses.
I just don't see how we could go back to Uh yeah, I just don't see it changing much.
Speaker 7Guys, I don't know, well, I mean, I don't know.
To me, it seems like it's still the same, the same market.
You know, it's just instead of schwag, it's you know, this normal market that you see.
Speaker 4Beca.
Speaker 7It's like I go into a party, I would there was dudes who didn't smoke flower, like having smoked it in a couple of years, and ship and they, you know, they were trying to pass and then they actually saw the weed that I brought and they're like, oh, Ship, how can I get this?
You know.
So there's there's still those people.
But fuck man, it's not It's not to where you can pay your house off and ship anymore, you know.
Speaker 2No, No, I mean who I mean, who's really buying houses anymore?
Speaker 4All right?
Nobody really?
Well, I got very lucky.
Speaker 2It's all.
It's hard.
You either have to have good, really good luck, really good with finances, or you're playing the rent game.
Speaker 7Your your home is like me, like me, well, dude, I got I got va home loans, So zero down, and I still almost couldn't this fucking house that I'm in because it costs like twelve grand for uh you know, like closing costs and ship.
Well, fuck man, just roll that ship into the.
Speaker 2Yeah right, it's just grand.
It's gonna be a shitload anyway.
Speaker 4Got picture up rout here in the sticks, man, Yeah, out there in Kelly you paying fucking y'all getting wrecked out there with Jell's prices.
Speaker 2I mean, maketricity.
It's insane.
Speaker 5You know, you got average.
Speaker 2You don't make more money on right now, not on not on this Okay, I say.
Speaker 4Like a pizza delivery ro versus like in Kentucky, I feel like, probably make a little bit more pro out like you know, yeah men a wage in Kentucky.
I think he's still seven twenty five.
Yeah, it's pretty terrible.
Speaker 2I mean, like one hundred is zip here for injoy should have been crazy.
Speaker 4Really Yeah, that's wild.
Yeah, well I remember was it prey like right when COVID hit one of my buddies, Uh, they lived up there, said they went from what was like twelve hundred or something down to like three hundred dollars or some wild ship like prices for like a fee bro or something yeah, yeah, something crazy, And I was like, what the fuck dude, yeah easy, yeah.
Speaker 2And that that all happened to kind of when when the legal mar markets all took over and when they started to like close in on lower prices before the heavy tax is hitting California to where it was just like, what are we going, you know, wreck when it costs more, why would we do that?
But at that time, they were making it cost so little that black market just couldn't compete with wreck.
Speaker 4No, no way, yeah, not those prices.
What the fuck?
Speaker 2Yeah, it's crazy, dude.
Speaker 5Our sucking dick before I pay those prices.
Speaker 2I already am.
And it's rough bro r to clean your balls.
Speaker 5Shout people that made it work, though, I mean I can't.
Speaker 4I couldn't imagine like trying to make a living up we nowadays, Like, I mean, that's wild, dude, scary.
Speaker 2Here's a pretty decent question.
Speaker 1Where was it?
Speaker 4Uh?
Speaker 2I mean look at cookies.
This is from Inzeight Survival for twenty.
I mean, look at cookies.
What influence will they have back in fifty years from now?
Looking back?
None?
It was just type one hit wonder like many big American things.
But but my counter to this is I think about all the people who have been influential on me in my career that were very big in breeding at a specific time, and I guarantee no one knows their names and very few unless you're around when I was like super into it.
So are they going to be remembered or is it going to be the guy on Forbes.
Speaker 4Burn or fail?
Speaker 2You know, and that's swell and it sucks, like this is what I love?
Do you do?
I love the idea of some shithead like Burner representing breeding on Forbes.
I think it's disgusting.
And there's you know, like there's a lot I'd like to do, but I don't think in reality, I don't think that like my legacy is going to be worth a shit compared to his.
And that's just because of reality.
You know, the winners, right the write the history.
And I'll always always say that.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm like just a chuck or Bro.
I don't I'm subject for money, Bro, I don't know whoever.
Speaker 7There's also the genetic influence, you know, like that's we're at a point now where that's probably never going to to go away, you know, like it's proliferated the modern market to the point that I mean, everything's pretty much the same goddamn thing, you know, it may just look a little bit different.
Speaker 2And I don't know why people don't know.
Like I remember, I will leave this person nameless that there was a person I used to do a show with and we would look at the same bud and or for example, a simple question like, Okay, you have the triangle cush and you have the flow right of cush.
What are the differences between the two.
What are the different traits?
I don't have flow right.
I don't know, but if I respect someone's opinion, I'm gonna ask them, Okay, what's the different traits?
Well, how are they differ differing?
If someone can't answer that and they've been growing this clone, both clones, you know, over a decade, there's problems with that.
And that's ninety nine percent of the breeding community and seed making community.
And it gets even worse when you delve into the people who really don't give a shit, you know.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's challenging.
I mean you, I mean, there's so many people that get into this for different reasons.
Speaker 2You know.
Speaker 4I'm I like, what we got going on in the discord, because you know, it's just people that for the most part, that wanted to hang out and talk about weed, you know, stuff like that.
And I mean, you know, we've talked about this before.
Like you know, most people will say why even why even make seeds or power and choke or whatever you want to call it.
And I think it just takes certain types of people that want to do that and enjoy that.
And yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that either.
I think for me, like it's it gives me more enjoyment in my garden to not just grow it out to smoke it, but to also do what I want to do and make seeds and find that not like new for the market, but just for myself, and explore different things and look at different building blocks and check out some of the stuff that some of you cool cats from the back end of the days had and ran and know a lot about.
Like I've said it a million times on here, I don't know shit.
So like getting the experience to or getting a chance to run like the East Coast and the d N the ninety one and Shoreline and Bubba and like just seeing how all that fits in the campus and for my own garden.
It's been abuse.
It's I live in I'm living a dream bat, I'm having funds at the same time, I shit on everything.
But I think it's it is what you make it.
It's that you always don't have to live on the internet if you want to have fun and find your little group to start on a discord or something and just talk about weed like do that.
You know, you don't have to play on the market, like make your own trends and do your own ship and and be be that person that stands up against whatever you think is right or wrong in cannabis or whatever you know.
Speaker 2And then you end up broke like me, there you go or there you go.
Speaker 4It's a lot.
We cost money, guys, especially nowadays, it's a fucking you know, everything costs money, dude.
It's expensive.
So it's definitely not for everybody.
And I don't understand how a young, young young guy or gal could even get into cannabis nowadays with the way things are are, are you know, money wise, like you're talking about a twenty one twenty two year old kid, are a young adult that is making you know, ten dollars an hour and rants fucking you know, youwhere from fifteen hundred to four grand, Like, dude, it's like and you've got to buy lights and nutrients and like.
Speaker 2In California, like from my house, crazy, if I'm not running any lights at all, not no lights, it's eight hundred bucks a month minimum for just electricity.
So once you start tossing up lights in there, that's when it's like, damn, Like how much do I really want to spend on this shit?
You know?
And at one time it was really easy because seeds sold.
But this is people are in the idea that clones are the direction.
Let someone else do it for them easier.
They don't understand the diseases, they don't understand strains, they don't understand the probably buying fake shit.
There's a lot of stuff that people don't understand in that.
So I don't get mad at it.
I used to get annoyed with it and try to be like like shake people like.
Speaker 4You can't do that.
Speaker 2It won't work.
It's never worked.
So now I.
Speaker 4Just just gotta let them be they want to be, you know, if they they want to run equatorials and fucking Alaska think they're representing the eighties or whatever, like let them do it back.
You can't, you know, it's it's what they want to make, you know that.
To put that in about the cost of electricity, electricity for me to run, let's see six lights, two heaters, AC infinity unit, another D humidifier, probably twenty fans, some heat mats in the humidifier, and what I live to live as well in my home.
Yeah, it's six hundred dollars a month, damn.
Speaker 2But I'm moving out.
Speaker 4I'm also using LEDs.
Most of them are in the range of four fifty to you know, six fifty watts or something hundred maxes out basically.
Yeah, but yeah, it's just to put in perspective, we're living in different parts of the country.
It's gonna cost you a lot more.
And to be fair, it's double what I paid back home where I used to grow.
Because of here, I have to run to humid de humidifiers, humidifiers and heaters depending on season versus where I was more in the south before.
The night temperature is more stable there and don't have big dips like we do up here.
So you know, I'm in a legal place.
But there's pros and cons that everywhere in every climate environment, you know, Matt.
Yeah, so it's you know people they try to get on here and say, oh, this is the best way to do it.
It's like, well, you live in a fucking desert, dude, I can't.
I can't.
Speaker 5I live in a swamp.
Like, what the fuck you want me to do?
I'm learning here.
Speaker 4So yeah, you just got to get in there, get dirty, try things, and you're gonna fuck up.
That's the biggest thing with weed.
I feel like man making mistakes and from a man and just keep keep going.
Bro, I don't know.
We're getting deep guys.
Speaker 2Here's a good question with hlv This is from Lee m Z.
I think without hlv D not showing until flower, are there any other viroids or diseases that only show in flower?
So they may only display in flower mostly I've seen it display in veg with certain traits.
But you can test root systems stuff like that before it's in flower.
If it's a clone and and get a good idea.
You want to be testing the root systems.
The there's cannabis cryptic virus, which I wish someone else would do a show on that is more educated on diseases than me.
Especially rare ones like that.
There's also curly Root I think it's curly beat top root or curly root beat top something like that.
There's another one that's hopped over to cannabis.
But the cannabis cryptic virus, the fact that it's popping up at passes through seeds and no one knows shit about it, and it's all inundated in clones in the big market right now and no one's really testing for it, that's probably the number one on the list that I would be worried about.
I would I would take as much action to avoid as I can, which would mean not bringing in clones from any random Joe shithead saying he's gonna sell you gerrilla titties.
Speaker 4Right, yeah, yeah.
I mean, anytime you're taking in cuts, it don't even matter if it's from your homi.
He's like, whenever I take your cut in, automatically assume I'm gonna get thrips likely and I hope to god I'm not getting spider mites, you know, And then.
Speaker 5People say, well, you need to keep a good garden.
Speaker 4I have seen people do traded and literally get mites sometime during the point of leaving their garden and putting it in a truck and go.
I went to the meet somebody like that quick.
So it's not like you know, I mean, dude, I was like, I had all my fucking thrips wiped out Matt for months.
Now I get some oil and what the fuck do I see today?
A little flyer and I'm pit Matt.
It sucks and ice my fault.
I slacked off Spring again the last fucking months because I ain't seen ship.
And then I said, I ain't seen none on the leaves or nothing, but I've seen a little flyer and I was like, motherfucker, gotta get back to Spring.
Speaker 2So that's why you don't jack off all.
Oh you said slack off all spring?
Speaker 4Back off?
Speaker 5Well, black off, gotcha?
Speaker 4It is what it is.
Speaker 2Part of my advice, you know, continue jacking off off spring.
Speaker 4I mean taking in fucking plants from loaves and shape letting your wives or your boyfriends or whatever.
Speaker 2Yes, dude, like bringing in a tree from Low's, you know, in the backyard, and then you end up screwing yourself.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, dude from Missouri, shut out.
We don't get a lot of people from Missouri, but I love you.
Know, I didn't think.
I gotta admit I didn't think much of Missouri before.
I've is that beautiful state and I went down there to some little festival and these girls there was.
Speaker 5Maybe you can help me out because I'm trying to remember where it was.
Speaker 4Maybe the water was crystal clear green like almost like the Gulf Bro.
A lot of big giant limestone rocks.
You get down there, you go Lazy River and shit in there with these girls were flashing their titties and ship.
There was like festival down there.
Can you help me, brother?
Where was that at?
Please tell me spring about sixty miles south of Springfield.
I think it was, Brother, If you could tell me where that place was, I would appreciate that.
I want to go back there.
It's a beautiful place, beautiful titties.
Speaker 2You know.
You know half of my family's from Missouri.
I got Missouri roots.
Speaker 4Brother.
There was a little hippie festival down there years ago.
It's been like twenty years ago.
Bro, and I went down there in Lazy Raft with my unfortunately my girlfriend at the time.
I wish I was single at.
Speaker 5The time because you know, uh it, yeah, but there was.
Speaker 4Let's just say some big beautiful things down there.
Speaker 2US assists.
Speaker 4You've been floating down the river, bro Ver, you get in this lazy river and you float down Jack's mountains.
That what's called, bro?
Is that?
Are you being for real?
Please tell me you be in for real.
Speaker 2He's been trying to find his place in the game forever.
Speaker 4Out there and I was fucked up most time, bro, And don't remember going.
I remember like heading back, geting on a plane.
I has kind of forgotten about it over the years.
But there's nice.
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Speaker 4Yeah, team man.
So I've been in small soil from a small place that keeps it outside.
It's a cleaning soil off.
Had a while if you got it outside and you're good doing good, bro, that's some good ship.
Like I recently, my supplier kind of ran out, so I had my old lady risk it for the biscuit on some different soil, and that's where it got me fucked up with these strips, bro.
So it is what it is.
I'm prepared for it.
You guys will give me the knowledge and the power and the strength to do what I need to do these goddamn thrips, And I'm gonna wage war again, Matt, and I'm gonna come out on the fucking top rips.
Speaker 2Thrips are the easies.
Sure, if you're getting some of them spider mice out of Santa Cruz and Mendosino, then you you might as well just.
Speaker 5Knock on wood.
No spider mincce yet, Matt.
Speaker 2Sure they're not fine.
Speaker 4You ever ever comes come across a bug called flea beetles.
M hmm here, And I could be wrong on this, guys.
I'm not a fucking science guy, but I was looking into what the fuck is eating my I ran some auto flowers or was off, threw these bitches out.
But long story short, this is while I threw them out but uh, I fucked up and sh started them indoor.
First.
First off, I fucked up running auto flowers.
I get it, guys, I get it.
I know what you're thinking.
But let's get to the point.
They uh, these beetles, bro, They'll get on your planet, especially like your new new grosser seedlings, and they tear your leaves up.
Dude.
Speaker 5Well, the only way to really that I found that I.
Speaker 4Could get rid of them is, uh, if you put a shadow over them, you can kind of make them jump a certain way.
Bro.
So you take a sticky trap and hold it on the downside basically or whatever side you can get on that, and you take your hand and create a shadow, and they'll jump on the sticky traps.
But I just didn't know if anybody's seen them before, bro, but I think that's what they were.
They looked like them, and yeah, this they just beat the new growth bro, once you're playing good rock and they leave it alone.
But I said, what the fuck is these things?
Speaker 7Man?
Speaker 2I've never heard of them.
Speaker 4Yeah, fucking I don't know.
Speaker 2Right here, here's here's a question.
Maybe I don't think I don't know if either of you are growing blue EGGX right now.
How stable are they?
And I don't know if their question is how sexually stable or how you know, typically stable?
I would say both.
Speaker 4Well we'll say that.
You know, the first the run that I did with them, I did seed brushed a little bit polling on, so I was feeding a little bit more nitrogen than I probably would normally.
So I did get one that had a few uh nanners on the bottom on the lowers at the end.
But it wasn't like I don't know about you guys, but I keep my I keep watching all my ship, so it's like it wasn't something that I couldn't catch or whatever, but just a couple on that one out of I think it was four.
Speaker 2Or five, but it was during seed making.
Speaker 4Yeah, so it's like, you know, I mean, I was feeding it totally different than I normally would.
Speaker 5So it's probably my in there nitrogen sensitive a little bit like they came.
Speaker 2Are nitrogen sensitive, blueberry.
You have to know how to feed your fucking plants.
Speaker 4Well, what I've found best with them was the five gallon fabric pox for me with the real wide uh just a real wide fabric fabric.
I didn't hardly even feed them much, uh just the ones I had brushed.
I fed them a little bit more like, well, you know, because when you're making seeds, you need to need a you feel a little bit different.
Speaker 2Yeah, you don't need to worry about them being pretty.
You need those seeds brown.
Speaker 5I'm mature, Yeah, you know, I'm a fucking chucker at heart.
Speaker 4I just feel weird if you I'm growing out ship like that, you know, and there's males.
It's like, man, I ain't nothing to put the mail down in my bedroom somewhere, and you know, let it get a little little brush and going on.
I like it.
I like to brush.
Speaker 2Yeah, right, here's a Are are there more strings like chocoal?
Never had it, but it sounds interesting.
Are there more mainly sativas that don't have typical fresh sativa smell?
So what I'm gonna I'm gonna teach you guys some lessons about old chocolate because a lot of people weren't around when old chocolate was made.
The chocolpe was a C.
Ninety nine cross to so DNA got seeds from someone in Thailand called chocolate tie.
Now, over the years, we've learned that chocolate thi could be one of many things.
It wasn't a line sold over in Thailand.
They didn't call it Chocolate Thi, but it was something that things people in Vietnam and in the Southeast Asia would talk about bring back.
Some people agree or disagree that it was we dipped in something called passa water, which is the water left over from producing or frae the airline.
Regardless, that's not what they had when they got their chocolate tie.
It was a very good chocolate tie line.
I've run it.
It's called Draw Chocolate Tie.
But the thing that they didn't tell people was that the CANi Lope pays in chocolope, and the Canalo pays and all of their stuff that started all their lines, which just Cinderella ninety nine.
So you should be expecting modern cannabis with that, you're not.
You're not like going for an old sativa type by growing chocol ope and DNA stuff.
Is it going to have?
Are there main more mainly sativas that don't have the typical fresh smell you might be referring to drpinoline.
They do exist.
I don't want I'm I'm so anal about using the word sativa to describe a high a high type of a plant.
As opposed to saying like it's a narrow leaf and that's it's trait not having anything to do with the high Hopefully some of my answers.
Speaker 4Super silver Haze brother, I think it's gonna be your answer if you ain't fucks with you unfortunately, Uh you know, I'm I'm in there with you, dude.
I'm not a I know, sorry, old guys.
The ogs like some of that Hayes ship for me, like the highest grade on a lot of stuff, but some of it's just hit or miss.
And I'm with you on that.
I I haven't got to run him yet, but I got those f fives from h and L and him, and I think you and a few others said that's probably gonna be my best be some kind of hazy with a little bit of flavor, uh you know, vibes or whatever.
Speaker 2And h and L knows Hayes lines, yeah, and what to look.
Speaker 4For the mango, hay if you do it right, the electric mango Hayes and some of the stuff he has, you can get the mango on it, bro.
But I like you got to be him to be able to do it, Like I don't know, like not say that, but it's he has a way of doing it.
The electric Mango Hayes in particular, it was very mango on all of his I got to take on four jars of that in compared to like how I grew it.
I also grew mine outdoors in probably not optimal conditions.
But the way he can bring out the mango on particular crosses of that Mango Hayes is awesome.
What we're gonna say, Screwton, you might have gotten some of it, dude.
Speaker 7The fire line is it's coming out very very good.
No tea lean really at all in there, and like one of them does it smells like one of them little yellow mangoes with like a bit of funk in it.
Speaker 4That's awesome, dude.
Hell yeah, that's cool.
Now like with you can get stuff well, I mean yeah, I think probably the best bat would be the super Silver Haze bro because that's what I'm gonna try to run.
Because I understand some of the younger guys and gals probably the same way, Like we didn't grow up like you know, it's different when you probably grew up with that stuff and and kind of leveled up as we changed, or maybe you kept that stuff but for us, like I enjoyed the highs on that shit, I'm freaking me out a little bit too much.
But did a flavor?
It's hard?
Yeah sometimes, And I'm not saying I'm all about flavor either, but yeah for an everyday thing, yeah, maybe super silver haze.
Speaker 5Brother, I'll let you know.
I'm gonna pop its soon.
Speaker 2Why you keep making me drink pineapple juice every day if it's not about the flavor, bro.
Speaker 4Yeah, Hey, drinking and every day is not good for you.
I should eat your stomach line or something.
Speaker 2They say I was drinking.
Speaker 5I was eating every day and it was fucking my stomach.
Speaker 4U bro, drinking every guy the other day?
Speaker 2But did you change the flavor of yours?
Yeah?
Speaker 4You know, I make a joke about that all the time.
My old lady.
I say, uh, when I was a kid, dude, I was probably eight years old and there was this chicken there.
She's like probably a senior in high school and is this sounds so disgusting, dude?
But I remember it was like a signed seats and dude, she would be like hey, and like talk to me, and shit, right, I'm in the back of the bus.
And I remember one day.
Bro.
Speaker 5She turns around to me, does basically a grown ass woman.
Speaker 4I'm a kid, and she goes, hey, you know, pineapple juice makes the come sweet, And I'm like, what does that even mean?
You know, I'm like, what the fucking now?
Like as an adult, I look back, I'm like, oh, bro, she's like being weird.
That's a little yeah, dude, She's yeah, pentecostal lady.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's that'll do it.
Speaker 4Yeah.
I don't know people weird where I grew up, don't ye know.
Speaker 2He's a good question because I can actually answer it and I've actually lived through it.
How do you feel about the thought of a strain you made potentially getting worn out and pumped out by the worst corporate cannabis out there.
It's like, it's it would be cool that everyone has your shit, but also sad.
I experienced this with the Blue Cookies.
I got to watch Cookie fam hump out Mike.
It was actually called Cookieberry Crunch and just call it Blue Cookies, And I've watched it circle the nation many times.
I've seen so many bad grows of it where like I don't even tell people it's mine because it's kind of sad, because most people have tried bad versions of it because it's It was one of those things though, where at first I was pissed because I put in a lot of years to working even at that point, and at the end of the day, there's nothing worth getting mad.
Speaker 4Over when it well, you can't I mean just by the nature of what it is, right, I mean, whether they got a cut, or they got seeds or herm or whatever.
And even they could even not have what you really have and make claims.
So it's like you could sit there and get pissed.
I think you gotultimately, And I can't speak because I'm not a breeder really, you know, and who gives a fuck about what I chucked?
But I can imagine, like you have to make that decision if you're putting if you're putting it out there for people like people are, and if it's good, people are gonna want to make shit from it, and yes, unfortunately, and there's no way to stop that.
So it's like, you know, all you can do is if you're doing that type of thing is move on to the next thing.
It's like Matt says all the time, right, don't be defined by one strain.
And then you won't be uh in that situation.
But Matt, is there certain ways that people can protect themselves?
You know?
I mean obviously, if you're going and buying cuts everybody else in their mom could get from a nursery, people are gonna be able to make the shit you make pretty easy if they figure out how you did it.
But you know, I heard of stories of people fucking with just like males and keeping males and working good males.
Is that a way?
Speaker 5Is there ways to protect your stuff or your a gear or how would you even like any way to do it to?
I don't know how you would even say that.
Speaker 2Don't ever make gear that is reliable and uniform in your scent.
Speaker 5There you go like everybody else already doing that.
Speaker 2No, like with the with the blue in cross the bonnet, stuff that does breed more truth than other stuff fucked and and and but it's not mine anyways, It started out with other people, So who cares?
Speaker 4Yeah, that's the thing, right, I mean in today's climate of or not climate, but in today's we culture, Like I think you can't even really if you're doing it for fun and ship, like who cares?
But like, obviously if you're getting to it to make money.
I mean, I mean, what can you do.
I mean, I don't know.
I can't shoot on that because people do what they want to do.
But you know, at the end of the day, it's important to have a good crew, have people who can trust.
And even still, you see it happen in that situation.
In no situations too.
Speaker 5People, there's bad app in a bunch show.
Speaker 4It's like, at the end of day, if you don't want people to get your that out, maybe you just give buds to people, bro anything that you could, maybe you know, bag seat type shit.
But who cares about that?
But I mean, yeah, at the end of the days, give them the bud, dude and share buds, and I mean that's all you can do.
Speaker 2Protect that's a concern.
Yeah.
I learned early on, especially with my riot Verry work, very early on, that there were certain traits I could I could absolutely identify that weren't in other work lives for a reason, and most people that actually work their lines work with their lines for years.
It's very easy to see you when other people use it.
And people that make seeds but don't work their lines and don't really give a fuck about they're just always chasing that new new They've got a new mail or new reversal, hitting a thousand things each month.
They're never going to understand how someone can identify traits from their own minds.
It is what it is.
Speaker 4But to you know, like the majority of people that are are even growing, we probably don't even care on it like our level like we do, you know, And it's not that they they probably don't even know like places like this like the Discord and we like group guys and guys like rest of us, you know, like you if you didn't grow up around it or had a way to know about like CSI or Channel or for me, these are the people that I look up to and you Matt and stuff my time that's more relevant to my time versus like in your day you probably looked up at certain people and stuff.
Speaker 5But like, yeah, if you're just some dude smoking carts and flipping packs and suddenly your state becomes legal and you go online and you see copycat or whoever, blah blah blah and stuff like.
Speaker 4You know, like this is fire forty PC, like you don't know no better, Like nobody's there to help you, really and fortunate enough for me, I like had so let's say a different way.
Fortunate enough for me, I had enough experience see a large amount of weed over a long period of time ten years or so, so I kind of got to see how it started and then it ended up more modern stuff and I'm like, yo, we was better like ten years ago, Like it's obvious, so what the fuck is going on?
So that kind of sent me down a rabbit hole of looking on YouTube and led me to see us oute.
Speaker 5It led me to you and here we are.
Speaker 4So so it's like them, it happens, but like at the rate like a new guy gaala gets into the ship, like there's just so much more bullshit out there that's gonna scoop them up before they even get to a niche place like this.
Speaker 2You know, I don't know, it's true, it's true.
Like I didn't I've never, ever, ever have advertised to new growers.
And at the time there was a reason for it.
I was watching my friends do it as I got into it, and every single one of those people would get trashed for making HERM seeds or being HERM breed, right you know what I mean?
I mean I even got trashed for it, and I didn't have to deal with those idiots, right, but it was it was just one of those things.
If someone new gets ahold of their seeds seeds and they cause them to harm, the first thing they're going to do is try to take down your company.
And back then on forums, that was everything.
And over time you hear people bitching about it a lot less because growing practices have gotten better, they really have in the last decade at well least.
Speaker 4Well it's an automatic default.
If you're growing any of them exotic packs, you got to take clothes or like I mean, I fucked with some shit before and off the rip.
If you don't even clone them half the packs, if we'll fucking harm on you, and then it's like, okay, well I'm gonna take cut season stable them up.
So it's like I feel like most people, like if you go on too certain forums and stuff or or uh wors I guess the discours nowadays and people that's pretty common knowledge for most people.
But like and just with us two, I mean you see a little bit more stabilization most of the time as you clone them up, just because they're older and you know they're so I mean, most people.
Speaker 2Are adapting to your room, and you're adapting to how they want to grow.
Speaker 4I have seen that in a on a crazy scale with these some of these older cuts, dude, just like I understand what a Schnel was saying, like sometimes with I think it was the was the East Coast or the kim d He was like one in three runs is like perfect, like with it.
Like I was fucking with the ninety one dude, and I was like, why are some of them when I take cuts up of them, some of them are just not growing and stretching like I thought a ninety wood would.
I mean to the point where Bubba's like overtaking him and I'm like hold up.
Speaker 5So I like, get the fucking with some of them that are like that.
And I pulled some start getting into the roots, and I was like, fuck it.
Speaker 4I got three or four that are stretching nice and a performing like they are.
But I've had a clone almost three times.
Speaker 5To get out of all this funkiness, right.
Speaker 7Yeah.
Speaker 5But the some of the ones that kept from the last cycle, bro, I was fucking with them and gonna take them out the pot.
Speaker 4And uh for these ones that I didn't use fabrics I was gonna keep the plastic pot, and uh, I go to.
Speaker 5Pull them out, bro, and they just snap, not really snap, but it's like the roots.
Speaker 4Didn't even stab themselves, right, So I was like the like, you know, I can't see that with your naked eye.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, it's they're so.
Speaker 4Finicky like that, where I've never really had that problem ever or seen that.
So uh some of them, yeah, some of the older cuts.
But yeah, they I mean they're cool and I respect them, and I respect you know, people keep them around.
But uh, I tell people sometimes that's they're not what you think they are, and you've got to be prepared.
And it's not as easy as uh just growing some seeds or taking a few cuts of some newer stuff.
It's, uh, they're finicky sometimes, and yeah, you gotta see with those.
For example, I don't take three cuts, all take you know, a lot more.
So for sure, get some good ones.
You know, even if they all root, you still will have some.
Speaker 5That turn out funky.
Bro, They're just weird like that.
Speaker 4I don't know.
Speaker 2Yeah, you know, I can't hear you when, Yeah, I know, I was looking for some books that I had we're going to work on there's a few shows we were going to work on redoing.
One of them is going to be the nineties and two thousands clone lists.
Speaker 4Nice.
Speaker 2I'd like to go through those and go through what they really were, what they really weren't, or our best guess is at them.
Speaker 4That'd be safe.
Speaker 2I tried to do really good versions of these early on, but I ended up having to delete those episodes.
The person that I chose to be, the person that I chose to do with really was more interested in inserting themselves into the story, which really wasn't where I was going with it.
I was more interested in the action.
Yeah, there's plenty of stuff to go through in a a Bible clone lists.
Speaker 4I would think that would be awesome because my experience with that era is very limited, so learning about it and stuff would be fucking awesome.
Dude, I really like that.
Speaker 2Yeah, I you know, I was really stoked to do a good attempt at it, but like going back and rewatching and I've talked about it in the past few episodes.
I've removed so many episodes from our show, and that's the one reason that I've always said, if we get it wrong, I'm going to do my best to correct it always, always, whether it comes out of my mouth or someone on my show saying it, and I'm here sitting not in my head like an idiot, you know, like there's plenty of times I did that and it was because of some You don't want to shit on your homie, but there's a lot of got to go back and redo.
So as you guys are, you know, listening to these shows, if you're someone who's watched old shows and wanted something done, better go leave it in the comments, really really diging through the comments now for ideas for shows.
I don't want to end up with this show being something just dumb and boring, just another show.
So if there's ever a point where I feel like, okay, there's I don't have anything else to talk about, I'm done.
I'm walking.
You know they need for that.
Speaker 7We're not gonna let that happen.
Speaker 2Now, you guys can take over.
I don't give a ship.
But yeah, but yeah, no, So if there's any other shows that that I've done before that I've talked about, even if it's something I covered myself and you didn't like the way that I covered it, or maybe there was something I said that wasn't super clear.
Talk about it in any of the comments.
Call me a junkie.
I'm used to it.
Say whatever, get your get your feelings out in the comments, interact with us.
Speaker 4We like it, Matt.
If I ever say anything wrong, brother ship on this homie, no egos, do you fund it out of me?
I don't have a goddamn ego.
Speaker 2No, no, no, I want to.
Speaker 7Be Oh no, you God.
Speaker 4I was just saying, yeah, if I'm ever wrong on shit, I'm in the young book.
I'm still learning a lot of shit.
So it's like, uh, I can only tell people what I experience in my own garden.
Really, so yeah, if I get something wrong, let me know.
Man, I'm learning myself.
Speaker 2A lot of my experience is just dealing with these dickheads that have been around as long as I have, you know, And that's why people think I'm just this dickhead asshole shit talks everyone.
But I mean, you look at some of my friends and I'm like, oh wait, Other than I guess, I used to be friends with Piff Coast before he was pif Coast.
He turned out to be a snitch, Like I mean, it's this cannabis.
Yeah, you're crazy.
Speaker 7Yeah.
Speaker 4I mean it's a double head short.
You know, you got people, you got people like that, but then you got great people like some of the guys in our community like Silver bub Peaches, Pins, everybody that rocks out kt KT all of them, everybody that rocks out.
You know, Uh, I really appreciate all those guys and gals.
I mean the knowledge that we get from each other is awesome.
And just hanging out and talking about weed.
That's really what it comes down to.
You know.
Like we could see here and say like, oh, it is the market gonna change and all that shit, But like I feel like we we found our own little patches success.
It might not be the greenest, biggest patch ever, but I do feel like we've climbed the fence, brother, and it is greener on the other side.
If you build it, they will come, man.
And I don't mean sexually.
You know, you shit changes people.
Shit works in cycles.
People will eventually come back.
But I don't think like we'll ever get back to some glory days.
But I think it is what you make it.
Man.
It's a garden fam dig it.
Speaker 2I didn't even like the forum days.
People weren't nice people.
It was a bunch of idiots talking out their ass and every you know, like spending on how much money their parents gave them for their garden to get them set up, like, you know, people would believe them more than other people.
So to me, this is a much better era.
I think people are more open to learning and not just taking people for their words, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4Well, that's that's a good point too.
And it's also on the flip side.
You're talking about uh you know, back in the day on the forums and some people liking it, some people not liking it well as the flip side.
Now, if you're a young guy or gal and you know how the internet works, if you're willing to make shorts and you know, grind it out, and I know it's harder now with the way were you know, they stop you from doing that.
Speaker 5But if you were even an older dude and you know, no offense.
Speaker 4But a lot of these guys and gals are trappers, bro, They've been hustling and they don't want.
Speaker 5To jump on the internet and show their face and shit.
Speaker 4So it's like people who are willing to do that about that are We're more about investing the money or whatever they're trying to do.
It's going back to create a lane for people to fast track to do candy shit right, And you know, and people who maybe don't have the experience or don't have the knowledge, they're going to jump out in front and say, look, I'm willing to go on to whoever's podcast and say I created this and whatever, versus like the people who legitimately do shit, and I know some of them today, they don't even want to do a fucking podcast or talk about shit or explain what they do to maybe anyone outside their little circle.
So it's like it's gonna always It's kind of I don't know.
It's just we're in an area where the Internet makes it difficult, even more difficult for the people who probably should get the light on them, even though they could.
It's just like their knowledge of the Internet, or it's just I don't know.
It's a lot, dude.
There's so much shit that affects it nowadays.
Speaker 2Right, we all know that all we have to do is lie.
That's fully lie.
Speak with tons of confidence, which is something that it took me a while to learn that just because someone is very confident and well spoken doesn't mean they're not one of the biggest liars on earth and that that's a lesson that's hard to learn.
But sometimes you got to learn that over and over and over because it's.
Speaker 4Freeze.
Speaker 2Yeah, you prepared people.
Speaker 4A lesson you could probably walk away with is don't ever judge an auto flower grower by they're grows until you see them grow.
Speaker 2I don't know, Matt, No, I no, I did get one.
Yeah, no, I can't actually say that because H and L did slip an auto flower.
Speaker 4Path did what a two page report on it?
Speaker 2Yeah, some bitch.
Speaker 4Good I could say.
Speaker 5I could say I have no auto flowers going right now.
Speaker 2Confidently I'm disappointing you.
Speaker 4Well, dude, you know you you started taking cuts.
Bro, you gotta make a choice.
Uh, it's it's you know, especially if you're chucking dude, I mean, what are you gonna risk pollinating some ship that?
Like, it's just you know, you got to make a choice, whether you're doing it for bud or run for bud or run for seeds or like, you know, you try to do too much, you get you fucked up, and so you gotta Yeah, it's just about doing I don't know, man, I'm nting at this point.
Who the fuck cares?
Any plan?
Speaker 2Any you guys have any plans this weekend?
Screw you got any plans?
Speaker 4Yeah?
Speaker 7Yeah, Actually, I'm gonna do a voice chat in the syndicate server boom to.
Speaker 4Help us with.
Speaker 7We're gonna have a more guided talk this weekend to try and work on a project together.
Speaker 2We will work on a project.
I mean, I mean, I think what a lot of people don't understand is that, like I get a lot of messages, hey, you interview this person, interview this person, and a lot of times I have and you just got to scroll back and see it.
Or if there is a reason I have it, there's probably a very good reason I have it.
But there are some of my good friends that I haven't yet because of their lives and what's going on.
And dude, it's hard to get people to schedule something like this.
That's uncomfortable to sit down, and I'm not a lot of times people are not comfortable, meek.
They don't know if what if I'm going to go crazy and ask them something that sound stupid or or you know what I mean, like and I don't do that.
But I can see why some people would be scared we're trying.
Speaker 4Did you ever feel risk like maybe, like I see what you mean by like obviously not giving someone a platform, right, And I think there would be like a way to do it to where you're like, obviously they're coming on the show, but maybe to do it in a way that would expose them in a way.
I know it sounds weird because it's like, well, who's gonna come and get exposed?
But it's like at the end of the day, like some like you, I wouldn't say you have a responsibility, but your knowledge is so vast with some of the ship that you could pick through stuff pretty quickly.
So it's like, you know, on in the one way, it is shitty because you give them a platform, but at the end of the day, if they have fifty thousand subscribers, you could also get a bunch of their followers.
Do you see what I'm saying?
So it's like, yeah, you know, like I'm not saying when that's someone we should do, but I wonder that sometimes it's like who's going to do it?
Because I mean the people that could do it is CSI, you know, HL, but a lot of them guys are so busy, like when are they ever going to go and like interview or in.
Some of these guys, they don't they're not confrontation on people and want that.
Speaker 5You're You're probably like the only person that I really know.
Speaker 4They could even do it bro like you know that could do it with knowledge and but you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2See, I think I wouldn't even have to call people out.
I think just letting people talk and asking the right questions would be enough.
And and like like I did with JJ New York, he insisted on coming on the show too.
Yeah, I don't know if anybody's seen that show.
It was about Diesel.
It's still up.
I wanted demanded to come on my shows.
All right, I'll bring you on.
Speaker 4We'll do this live.
Speaker 2And yeah, that's that whole argument stopped like in about two seconds when I asked him if you've never grown diesel?
No, no, But I'm willing to do this with some of you out there.
But then again, there's some people that like, obviously.
Speaker 4Let's go in on on Matt.
Speaker 2It's still in on all of them.
Speaker 4I'll go in on them.
How you's scared, I'll go in You know, you just gotta who has the thing A lot of the ego ship, dude.
It's like, yeah, I get why people would be scared to come on, but if they really care about what they're doing, and I mean and the other thing too, Matt, are our fucking fans and audience, your fans, I should say, and your audience will fucking demolish them anyways without you haven't even say anything that people we were.
These motherfuckers know what's up their nerves.
They all, oh geez, been growing for thirty plus years, they know what the fuck's up.
You know.
He can't fool them.
Speaker 5So I don't know, Man, Maybe we get somebody on here, Matt.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, hey, leave a comment, tell me, tell me who you think would be a good candidate for this.
I don't want to hear blue skies or people that can't even it's their own audience that they're not liars.
But it'd be interested to hear.
Speaker 4Yeah, you know, and you know, in today's climate, we need to get to earlier and talk more.
Matt.
Let's get all here, let's let's be let's let's take the higher road and try to try to break some light on some of this stuff.
Matt, what do you think?
Speaker 2Yeah, you know, And it hasn't just been JJ that I've done it too.
There's been several people that have been on this show that I've caught in lies and just let them leave their lie out there.
Not that a lot of people jump onto it, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 4I mean, I mean, here's the thing is, we've we've platformed people that turned out to not be so great are Yeah, Unfortunately, fortunately it happens.
If you're going to do at least you'd be kind of doing limelight of you know, trying to get the stories right for you know, the providence or whatever history of it, you know, I mean, or at least try to understand it more and see what's up.
You know, I don't know a little punk rock, you know what I'm saying.
Get up into more of the fucking grills, Matt, like old school Matt would do like Nick Diaz style.
Speaker 2I kind of Nick Diaz fuck Riot seeds.
Speaker 4Yes, it's awesome.
Speaker 5I mean his brother too, But just I watched more watch.
Speaker 2You know, Yeah, yeah, I liked I like uh Nick a little bit better for just his his crewdness.
It was always a little slow in the ship talk.
Speaker 4Yeah.
He had some good fights though, too.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I was.
Speaker 5Showing my old lady.
I keep seeing his goddamn force.
Speaker 4Great.
Some commercial comes on, it's like, oh, I got build my confidence because I'm losing my hair.
Speaker 5I guess I'm going bald, and it's like.
Speaker 2Dude, oh my god, no one ever.
Speaker 4Thought that thought Otherwise, bro, we were more like kind of the confidence when you got fucking knocked out by Anderson Silva like a.
Speaker 2Bitch and then ran out of the octagon.
Speaker 4Like I'm showing the old lady then, because I every time it comes on, I'm like, dude, no, you just looked like you fake got knocked out or something.
It So it's like, yeah, commercials, I don't know, I'm being a hater, but I showed her him getting knocked out in still.
Speaker 2Emotion, he's the yeah and miss dude, Yeah me too.
He's still he's still a fave.
Speaker 4That that night, with that fight in particular, Uh, when we got to the pay per view, I'll never forget it because we all we all got drunken.
Fox was like sixteen out of it and we got box yeah, and we all just kind of paired off and did our the fuck out of each other and then we go watch that fight and smoking weed and it was great.
Dude.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's good times.
Speaker 4My buddy, I do that gaming podcast uh with uh that's the guy, Me and him during that night.
We boxed during that night.
Speaker 2And uhan car game Card Mafia.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, I'm on there.
Yeah, my little co host buddy on there.
Me and him.
We boxed that night and we'll talk about it sometimes.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Did you watch John Silva fight the other night when he fought.
Speaker 5I busted my knee up like a week ago, dude.
Speaker 4Uh, I'm good now, let's getting better.
But I've just been where where had it happened?
I've just been slowing up, you know, on my cloning and gardening and stuff.
So I honestly haven't been in discord or and I apologize anybody that rice on these platforms.
I'm fucking busy.
You guys, like I have to grow weed and ship or I run out of weed, So I'm not I can't just sit around chat and all.
I wish I could, but functionally I can't.
So I'm not ignoring you guys.
I love you guys, and I appreciate reaching out, but it's like I get ten twenty messages a day.
I can't.
I can't keep up with it all.
Speaker 2It's hard, and every time I get banned, I end up seeing all these messages and other people's like instagrams later or like people screenshot at telling people I blocked them and shit.
Then now I hate them and stuff.
I'm like, I can't even get on Instagram.
How about you take it a personal I'm busy.
Speaker 4I can't.
I'm not a social media guy.
Really, I don't even my phone.
I don't even know where my phone's at.
I haven't picked up for like a week.
It's just stays dead.
Like if people trying to get a hold man, it's either like email or Discord.
Speaker 2Basically, you better find out how to find me on Discord or Pokemon.
Speaker 4Go brother, real, I don't want to be bothered.
I keep telling Harrison, let's move to the fucking mountains, dude, to where we can't get service.
I'm done with this shit.
I want to go chill in the woods on my hobbit.
Shit bro talking some of the finance Toby leed and that the fucking south Shire offers.
Speaker 2Bro south Shire.
Speaker 4Yeah, I don't know.
I'm a nerd dude.
I watch a lot of Lord of the Rings Lord videos, and yes, I love that kind of sh I'm a hobbit dog.
Speaker 2I really am too tall for a hobbit.
I'm hobbit.
Speaker 4Yeah you are hobbit.
Yeah?
How long?
Spross short?
I like nerdy stuff.
So I met Matt.
I know you don't care, but I'm getting into blacksmith and I'm gonna make us some blades.
Speaker 2That'd be pretty sweet.
I actually like blacksmith in a lot.
I've never done it, but I watched that TV show about knives.
Speaker 4And I'm gonna make you a Briter syndicate sword.
Speaker 2Or it'll be a Claymore Claymore.
Speaker 5It's three months of work, but I'll get it done.
Speaker 2It'll get done.
Speaker 4Those claim wars take a long time to make, especially like I'm new.
I'm gonna start with knives this ship.
But I'm gonna get us some knives.
Speaker 2I want a thousand times folded Damascus blade.
Speaker 4There you go, I'll i'll uh, I'll engrave some penises on it for you or something.
Speaker 2Or what else would you engrave special?
Speaker 5I don't know, but I don't know.
Remember, it was just getting into dark waters.
Speaker 7Here.
Speaker 2I know.
Speaker 4Nice?
All right, guys, Hi, screw what do you got?
Speaker 2What do you got?
Any any announcements coming up?
Speaker 7No other than if you are in the server and you're listening to this, or I'll make an announcement after the show, kind of just about what to think about, to kind of prepare your thoughts for a little fireside chat we're going to have and.
Speaker 4We're going to record parts of it.
Speaker 7We're trying to we're trying to do like a nice slick video, say style videos that take us a bit longer to do, but we're hoping that it'll it'll come out real nice for you guys.
Speaker 2I think so, oh yeah, how about you chap?
Speaker 4Uh what was a question but not coming up?
Oh my bad.
I was reading of his duty said he's he knows about Hobbits in the chat.
That's what's up?
Speaker 2You got excited?
Speaker 4Yeah?
Speaker 2I did?
Speaker 4You know?
Man, I got adhds you have a fellow hobbits.
But just I get you mind be find me had some room fairs like for real But anyways, uh no, just waiting on this deal reverse if it does.
I'm hoping it does.
It looks like she's going to but you know how that goes.
Uh, just waiting on harvest and just living life, man, just you know that's it, Matt, just having fun and enjoining gardening and uh smoking herb dude, or stacked.
We got some.
I ain't gonna put them all up on camera.
We got some yours family going in getting pretty baked.
Speaker 2Sounds good to me.
I got to try packs Diesel Arcade of train Wreck, Holy ship that should have been made long ago.
It is so tasty.
Whenever he puts it up, y'all, don't miss out.
It's got the flavor of diesel.
It's like buttery.
I get lemonen terpinoline, but it's like buttery.
Is so fucking good.
Speaker 4That's awesome.
Speaker 2Hopefully that'll be made available.
Speaker 4I smoked all the blue dream stuff up, dude.
I mean everybody went through that ship quick, dude.
Speaker 5Uh yeah, let's see night or Betsy's nightmare.
Speaker 4You know you said there's one of them.
You said it came out mango.
Speaker 5Eventually I finally did come out kind of mango ish, dude.
Speaker 4Yeah, I got one.
I'm wrong.
I was saying one was kind of meaty, but that ended up being the turp queen.
Actually, I really like that one interesting, the turp queen.
Yeah, I was like, real meaty smelling.
I didn't expect that at all.
I was like, what the fuck?
But it was.
It was excellent, dude.
It didn't go real.
I didn't go crazy color on me.
Uh like the one I did.
I ran one outside, dude, and I did one, and that one went more purple and stuff for me, or just more colorful.
But that's one here and it didn't.
But it smoked great, but purple weed anyways, kidd shit.
Speaker 2Now, So other than that, we're going to have I'm really thinking about them.
I shouldn't say we're gonna have.
I'm thinking about doing a discord freeview.
Give out a link and everybody can see a very specific channel, maybe Clowns of Cannabis, because that's the one where people need to be educated the most.
Plus usually clowns show themselves very clearly in that channel.
So I want people to be able to get an idea for the discord that haven't been a part of it, and run it for like, you know, two weeks, and give people an option to check it out see what they're missing, at least some of what they're missing, because it's not going to be the whole discord.
There'll be some of it, and there's some people I'd like to see there, so we'll be doing that.
Check out uh the link tree for all of our sites.
I'll probably be doing something cool for a sale on one of them, uh up tomorrow, so we'll see what I come up with.
Speaker 4You anytime.
I know the holiday season, matt is coming up, Any sales on your reversal sprays coming up.
Speaker 2Black friend, it will be it will be that Friday holiday, and that's you know where I roll, So that's where we're gonna go.
Speaker 4You know, profits are down.
We got to get prepared now.
You need to give people three months out and now these travelers, bro, we gotta he gave me flipping a pack for a dollar profit.
We got to make our money and get ready for these Black Friday sales.
You know CSI usually doesn't want to think, yes, dude, yeah you need some seeds, guys, pick them up from those people you almost fucked up Matty dot Co.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, hey we're gonna get banned for all his brother you're showing nudities the boot booths a little big old pooper.
Oh yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2Go support deaf club.
Speaker 4I can't charge some my titties with the fucking cameras and move on.
Me ow what I had on my birthday.
Speaker 2Suit Man, you're always sitting there naked, bro.
Speaker 4You fucking yeah.
Speaker 5It's like came in this world like this, Matt, I'm going to.
Speaker 4Go out like this.
Speaker 2I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 4Hey, I was just gonna say, you gotta get out there in your backyards.
Man, it's all system.
Speaker 2Man.
Speaker 5You got there, let mother earth, that magnetism go up.
Speaker 4Through your legs.
Speaker 5And really, really, that's what I do every morning and every evening.
Speaker 4Man the sun rises, instead of go out there barefoot smoking big dog blunts.
I don't give a fuck if it's tobacco, I don't like it.
I get hiring ship out there and I love it.
Speaker 2And a dirt enema from your own dirt in your backyard.
Speaker 4I took.
I took a ship outside the day, actually believe fuck yeah.
I took little roll of tolet baper out there.
I do that time and time back in the day.
I mow all the time.
Speaker 5I got really enjoy shipping in the woods.
Speaker 4It's good on your boughs.
You take a nice squat it's shit on tolet guys.
I'm sorry, I don't know hobbit ship.
Speaker 2Basically, I would need a hose because I like a good bidet.
I like a good, clean, clean spray.
I put my finger over the top of it and sprayed as hard as I can, Like wah needles.
Speaker 4You gotta get baby wives, dog, that's what I use, or I'll take I started.
Speaker 2I started on baby wipes, and I graduated to the days.
Speaker 4We don't.
Speaker 5I can't afford a goddamn bday.
Speaker 2But if I could, twenty five bucks.
Speaker 7Happens house.
Speaker 4That's a grower.
Who hey, that's uh, that's like two packs of six Dude, like the twenty five dollars much.
Speaker 2To have the cleanest asshole in the room, Well, it's worth it.
Speaker 4I do.
I am weird about that.
I used to be.
I want them, guys.
I feel worried about people shitting in a random toilet, so I gotta be.
Speaker 2I'm weird about it too.
Speaker 4I gotta have my own.
I was literally shipped in a tiny ass bush his house before I shop in a fucking gas station.
Speaker 2A public restaurant.
Yeah, yeah, no, yeah no, I can't.
I don't want my dick rubbing where someone else's dick rubbed.
I don't want up.
Speaker 4Here in Michigan.
Bro.
I noticed some of these toilets, I said, I go to these random places my dick splashes down in the water.
I don't understand that.
I never I've never seen a toilet where.
Speaker 2The like water is like one inch from the top well the.
Speaker 4Dick the you know, the part where your dick goes.
It's more flat, you know.
And uh, the incline is not steep.
Drop your dick in there.
It just you go right into the water.
I said, what the fuck?
I didn't.
Speaker 5I don't know if I should be paying for this or they should be paying me for this.
Speaker 4Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5That's how you get a fucking UTR or something.
Speaker 2Man, Oh my goodness, my goodness, that's it.
Okay, that story will finish the night.
And with that, I appreciate both of you guys for showing up.
Speaker 4Appreciate Joe, I appreciate the chat.
Sorry we didn't read all the questions.
You know, we get to have them fun.
Speaker 2I tried, maybe maybe in the next few weeks when my glasses actually in something, but then just yeah, I'll be able to see and read and keep the mic by my face sofully.
Speaker 4This next night you can get on top of it, Bro, lookt.
Speaker 2On top of you.
You don't watch out.
Speaker 5You You try, but you're so small.
Speaker 2That spider monkey climb your big six foot eight ass.
Speaker 4Fucking Lou.
I'll cover myself in all the lube like p didty styles.
Good luck trying to catch me.
I'll be like a slippery legal.
Speaker 2Now.
Speaker 5Well, you ever try to catch an oiled up pig before.
Speaker 2Matt a few times as you lie, don't count tip.
We wrestle oil pigs.
Come on down.
Speaker 5I'll never never did a cow tip.
I love cows too much to do it.
Speaker 2I know I never did that, but it is a thing people do here for fun, that they wait till they fall asleep and they push them over and then well.
Speaker 4Well it used to make me upset, Bros.
I like turtles, I really do.
I like I like amphibians and frogs and tadbowls and shit.
I used to grow up catching that kind of shit.
And just people will run over turtles back home on purpose, Bro, Like, for one, why would you do that?
Speaker 5Can you blow out a tire or suspension system or whatever?
Speaker 2Yeah, but it's like.
Speaker 5I've seen people purposely run over turtles, Like.
Speaker 4Why, bro, they're horrible, Dude, I get out and save the motherfuckers up here.
Do they got the red belly little sliders or whatever.
I'll get out, Yeah, you see me.
I'll run across the road up here, throw them in the back of the product.
Speaker 2I'd be doing the same ship.
Speaker 4Yeah, I like I like critters and ship.
Dude, I don't know, I just like it stuff.
I got more patience for a turtle to do a mother random motherfucking nowadays.
Speaker 2You know, that's for sure.
If I watch someone get sniped, if we're watching the animal get sniped in the neck two hundred times, I'd be crying.
Speaker 5Not so much wild times.
You guys, be safe out there.
Speaker 2Be safe.
Speaker 5Yes, as Grandpa would say, keep your on the.
Speaker 2Ice, keep your stick on the ice, and the Mozilla in your back pocket.
Speaker 4Shout out.
Anyways.
I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2That's it, all right.
Speaker 4I'm gonna go make love something.
Speaker 2All right, Yeah I might too.
Lots of love to you guys, all right, all right, all right, later, guys, peace.
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