Episode Transcript
Shouts out instructions off the play fake Lamar escaping a pocket, slinky to the end zone.
Touchdownravns and this time it's a receiver Rashan Bateman.
As the Ravens fans are having a party tonight in South Florida.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, the Ravens fans outnumbering the Dolphins fans by the end of this game twenty eight to six, Lamar Jackson with four touchdowns, only five incompletions.
That was Jerry Sandusky on WBA L and sometimes shook.
Yeah, the broadcasting call is just jumping out of the seat.
But that felt very ho hum, because, let's face it, the second half of this game was rather ho hum.
Hopefully this recap will not be and we're gonna have some fun on the back end, talking a little bit about the futures of Tuatungua Bai Looa, maybe some other quarterbacks that could be of available this offseason.
But first we talk about the return of Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1Yeah, and what a return it was.
You know, he demonstrated his ongoing connection with Mark Andrews, which has been the backbone of their offense for years, a staple in this scheme, whether you know it was Greg Roman or toddmunkin calling plays.
He's always been the guy to go to, So of course he goes to him twice to the first two touchdowns, and of course he schemed up wide open on the second one, a little mesh concept runs two defenders into each other, Andrews wide open.
Easy score.
But even then, even with those two touchdown drives, the Ravens didn't really look that good in the first half.
The Dolphins had a shot and they wasted that opportunity.
And once the second half arrived, and there the Ravens come out of halftime, they just go right down the field.
Touchdown pass, right down the field again, touchdown pass to Rashad Bateman, three to tight ends wonder receiver Rashad Bateman four total runaway win.
The Ravens.
We've said this before, I guess we'll say it again.
They may just be back.
They are very much in the running because Lamar Jackson looks as good as he did before he got hurt.
Speaker 2It's so funny because going into this game, everyone's thinking, Hey, the Ravens, you know, they are almost the favorites in the AFC North.
Meanwhile, everyone's just assuming the Dolphins season is over, and yet they both only had two wins entering this game.
And you know what, sometimes the boneheaded like consensus just very ho hum thinking, is the right one.
Yeah, the Ravens are much much better.
It was obvious.
And it's a kiss of death when you dominate half of football statistically against the superior team like the Dolphins did in the first half of this game.
It was two hundred and twenty five yards to one oh one at half time and you're trailing on the scoreboard.
That always corrects.
It always corrects in the second half, and you described how it was by the end of the game.
You know, even the stats are better for Baltimore.
I thought coming out in the third quarter, there was a couple of key sequences there.
Number one, on a third and long to start the third quarter drive, lamarj actually scrambles, and he really didn't all night.
That was about it, and you did wonder if he felt one hundred percent.
You didn't get to see him let loose on that hamstring very often, but that was one play where he did scramble, picked up the first down, and then they go right down the field and end up with the Charlie Kohler touchdown.
Meanwhile, on the other side, the Dolphins get the ball back, and this to me was the Dolphins in a nutshell like their season.
First down, Jonah savanea who's been a disaster this year, one of the worst starting offensive linemen in the league, gives up a sack to Travis Jones.
Second down, they run it on second and seventeen or something get absolutely nothing.
Felt like a give up play.
And then even worse on third down to his throwing a check down that only would have gotten two or three yards and that's knocked down at the line of scrimmage.
And it reminded me of the Raiders a little bit from a few weeks ago.
And I like to call it the I don't want to be here offense, and the Dolphins fans just just let them know, just booing the hell out of them down in Miami.
Speaker 1I believe that was the moment in which four fans in the stands put the brown paper bags over their heads, which was a proper response.
The funny thing is is if you just watched that drive, you thought the Dolphins that was their offense the entire night, and it wasn't.
In fact, at times they moved the ball effortlessly.
They were went right down the field.
It's just that once they got in or near the red zone, they self destructed over and over again.
You can go all the way back to the first half, when they have three points on the board, the game is very well within reach and it's fourth and one.
They're gonna goal for it.
False start backs them up five yards fourth and six, settle for a field goal, kicker misses the field goal wide right.
They had multiple pre snat penalties, delay of games, false starts, every type of procedural penalty that you could imagine.
They essentially committed.
They couldn't get out of their own way, and even when they found success, they found ways to bring themselves in the opposite direction and hurt their chances.
They had opportunities and they blew them.
Although I will say the one call on Olie Gordon where he was flagged for a penalty, that still doesn't make sense to me.
You could say he was tripping, like that's right, maybe what they might call, but he slipped and fell and the edge rusher, I think it's Mike Green.
The rookie leaps right over him and is unbothered and yet a flag comes out and it wipes out to his best throw of the night, probably their best scoring opportunity, and it felt like from there they were cooked.
Speaker 2Yeah, that was a fifty yard completion to Wattle even that play though, which was a positive play.
Yeah, that was what I watched on the you know, prime vision, and that ball took forever together and you're kind of thinking, man, if someone else would throw it there, that thing's a touchdown and less air and Waddle does not have to jump up for it in a contested cat situation.
But you're absolutely right when when the team isn't struggling that in that you know, pre snap penalty made McDaniel lose his absolute mind.
They're getting bad luck on the tripping, and then it's also bad execution, and then sometimes it's just an absolutely weird play call.
Let's actually listen to the tua incompletion to Devin h Chan on one of those fourth downs.
This was a fourth and two later in the game.
Speaker 1Back to Throll looking to is right the corner zones a Chan was covered by Hamilton.
Was a communication somebody was not where they needed to be, and well, you come away with no points after another nice drive.
Speaker 2Wow, that was Jimmy Sefalo and Joe Rose on wb G G And yeah, you mentioned all the different ways that they managed to blow things.
They were inside the thirty one yard line of the Ravens six times tonight.
Yeah they got six six points.
That that was one of them.
It's a zero blitz.
And they don't have a better call or a better option for Tua who had time then throwing like a slot fade to h Chan who basically gave up on the route, and against Kyle Hamilton.
But none of that was good.
Speaker 1None of that was I have so many thoughts about this play.
I understand why you go for it here.
Ideally your kicker makes the field goal, it's fourteen to nine.
Maybe you settle for a field goal to make it fourteen at twelve, but you realize this is maybe your best scoring opportunity at least to this point in the game.
You're gonna go for it.
Okay, gutsy call modern football, we're all on board with that.
What we're not on board with is putting a running back in the slot and running a slot fade to him.
He doesn't even know how to run a slot fade, as evidence by that play.
I mean, he never even makes it to the end zone to try to catch that ball, and Mike mcdanild just looks up toward the canopy that they built over hard Rock Stadium.
Such a nice renovation they've done, and just probably wondered, what what did I do to deserve this?
Why am I being forced to put a running back in the slot and he doesn't know how to run the route?
What more can I do?
And responsibility falls on him for putting Han of that situation and asking him to do that.
But also, this is professional football, and if that's the best thing that you can put out there, just kind of illustrates how bad of a situation your team's been in.
Speaker 2Yeah, when I look at their offense and I think about them moving forward, like eight Chan is a good player.
You know, he ends up with one hundred and two yards from scrimmage.
His explosiveness is awesome.
Jalen Wattle continues to produce without Tyreek Hill there.
It's six catches for eighty two yards and it would have been much more if not for that bogus tripping penalty.
But I just think the Dolphins fans are so sick of watching this offense, which are just the same timing in cuts to waddle over and over, and the timing wasn't perfect tonight.
There were drops by other receivers Malik Washington with a couple fumbles in this game, so that, yeah, it was all bad.
You can't just pick on one particular thing.
I thought.
Actually, in the first half, they ran the ball very well, and as you mentioned, like we're moving the ball well against this Ravens defense.
Let's let's give the Ravens a little more credit.
So actually you spoke about that second touch down to Andrews, which was yes, it looked like a simple throw because the two defenders ran into each other.
I thought it was another good game out of Todd Monkin, two straight clean weeks from this Ravens offense.
The running game took a little while to get going, but Derrick Henry ends up going over one hundred and twenty yards with a big second half.
So that looked like a lot of Ravens games from a year ago, slow start to finished well.
But I thought this was a beautiful throw still by Lamar Jackson.
And yes, it was great to see all three tight ends with multiple catches.
Let's listen to the second Andrews touchdown.
Speaker 1Play CLOCKTT one, Lamar takes the snap deep drop, wats it to the ten pot Andrews in touchdown.
Ravens two for two fla Mark Andrews a twenty yard throw catch and run, and the rust is gone for Lamar Jackson.
That was a beautiful throw.
Yeah.
Speaker 2One thing I'd like the last couple of weeks is everyone's gotten involved.
Andrews is a little more juice site than I expected.
Maybe the Dolphins defenders are just slow.
Isaiah likely a lot of juice on one of his long yards after the catch play, and then Zay Flowers with the big play down the field, Bateman got that touch and so I just like they're spreading it out.
I'm not going to overreact, but hey, Nick, like their B game is all they need to do potentially to go on a long winning streak.
As long as the defense is just okay and normal, like they don't have to be great, just just be okay, then I think the offense can play this sort of B game and potentially rip off a long winning streak.
Speaker 1Yeah, there were a couple of differences in this game tonight versus how they've looked with Lamar out and obviously the return of Lamar Jackson alone opens up so many options for you.
But like that play in particular, like it's a mesh concept.
But the reason that it becomes a touchdown is because Andrews is able to deepen his route.
It's not just like a flat drag.
He's getting ten fifteen yards down the field when he's catching that ball.
And because the defenders ran too each other, he's got a bunch of green grass to run through to get to the end zone.
That's like, that's just a good you know, design, right, But then you also look at the defense and you think about the players that they have missed when you watch them tonight.
They did a really good job up front, plugging up gaps, eating up blockers, and allowing Roquan Smith to just play really well.
He was there to make a lot of key tackles, key stops.
He fights through multiple blocks, shuts down a screen early in the game, shuts down a running attempt later in the game.
Like he's been playing really well over the last couple of weeks, which is a boon for them as well.
And then you know, they talked about it playing the broadcast.
We've heard it all over the place.
You know.
The acquisition of a Looie Gilman allowed them to move Kyle Hamilton Hamilton around, which he played in the box a lot tonight, but he's also making plays all over the field.
And then you got Malachi Starks picking off to a tongue of by Loa downfield.
Like you're starting to get some of these guys back, the defense is starting to come back together, and against a team like the Dolphins who did move the ball well on you and weren't able to get it done a lot of self inflicted wounds, you're still the beneficiary of that.
The question is going forward when you try to compare week to week the quality of opponent, Like we look at the Ravens schedule, why could they potentially make this a run.
They played the Vikings, who's off has been dormant for a while.
They play the Browns, who are one of the worst offenses in the NFL.
They play the Jets, same stories, save for last week.
They played the Bengals, also the same story.
That's their next four, and then they played Pittsburgh and that's their first like big game in that stretch.
I could see them winning all four, even if they just play like they did tonight, a b game tonight probably wins all four of those games.
Maybe the Vikings game is close, maybe the Bengals game is close because of the division rivalry.
But ultimately, if this is all you have to do, if this is what you can produce in your sleep on a week by week basis, we're gonna look at it real quick and they're gonna be seven to five.
Yeah.
Speaker 2I want I want to see Lamar kind of let let it loose in terms of how he plays.
Is a runner.
I'm curious how the defense is gonna play against better competition.
We'll see where the Vikings are at for that game.
The Bengals offense is certainly playing better.
I am worried that they had like a fourteen percent pressure rate against the Miami Dolphins.
I know it's tough sometimes because Tua gets rid of the ball so quickly, but that was the weakness last week two against Chicago.
They just don't have one on one pass rush wins.
Kyle Vai had like one tonight, Mike Green basically didn't have any.
They're not a team that gets a lot of pressure.
So if you're if you're looking for a fly in the ointment.
That's it.
But I'm so glad you pointed out Rokuan Smith.
That's the number one difference right now.
He he just changes their team.
He did not look healthy and he was not an effective player before he went down with that injury and they sat him down.
In the last two weeks, he's been the best player on the field, and that's a field with Kyle Hamilton, who's also being a bigger factor because of where they're using.
Aloe Gilman, who who had the the greatest thing that can happen on the field, which is he blew his assignment near the goal line and and he let who wasn't Malik Washington get get wide open, and then he realized that he blew it, and then he ran over and he knocked the fumble out.
So it's like, you know, in the middle of that play, oh, I blew it, and then you run over and then you saved the day and you get the you get the turnover.
So good job by Eloie Kilman on that play.
But good good point there on broke one.
I think that's so huge.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, And that's the difference that they can make.
Now.
You don't want to necessarily live on those thinner margins against better teams.
But all we need is a demonstration that you can kind of work toward that goal.
And I think that that's what we've seen him from this defense over the last week's Manthy back to the Chicago game, they had a key interception that set up a touchdown that flipped that game on its side and put the Ravens in a position of command.
And they've been making those plays over the last two weeks.
So it's only it's a small sample size on one game back with Lamar.
By the way, did you get nervous like I did when he did run tonight?
Like especially in the fourth quarter he hit a couple of scrambles where I'm like, hey, why is he still in the game, and be oh my god, Like.
Speaker 2Why is Dereck Henry getting five carries up twenty eight to six just so you can go over one hundred?
But then he went over one hundred and they gave him like three or four more carries.
Just just why just don't stop?
Speaker 1Yeah, necessary, we don't need that, all.
Speaker 2Right, good game, and yeah, keep an eye at Teddy Buchanan spelled tea like Teddy, but with an e on the end, which I like.
He's kind of stabilized the linebacker position too.
He's actually looked pretty good, I think, next to Roque.
So that's like another change that they've made throughout the course of the season.
That's good.
Meanwhile, the Dolphins, I mean, they've been done.
Would they consider changing coaches with this little extra time?
We'll see.
They have Buffalo next week at home, which is another opportunity to give up a lot of points and to get a lot of booze at home.
That's potentially another spot.
They have three more Island games this year.
I apologize to the citizens of Germany.
We're sending Commanders Dolphins there unfortunately.
And they have back to back primetime games Monday Night Week fifteen against the Steelers and pitch.
They can flex Monday nights.
Now, would they flex it when it's like one dead team versus a good team?
They might not do that, but they should consider it.
And then here's a game that is getting flexed Sunday Night Football Dolphins Bengals in Week sixteen.
There's no chance that game, I.
Speaker 1Mean, unless the Bengals found themselves matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2They're going to do better than that for Sunday Night Football in.
Speaker 1Week sixty, the return of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2No, that's too that's too good a week.
Okay, you mentioned Joe Burrow.
Let's talk about another quarterback.
To a tongue of Ilo.
As I'm watching this game, my mind starts wandering, and as I'm looking through some of the news that's coming out of Arizona, my mind starts wandering to the quarterback market for twenty twenty six.
I personally don't think Tua is going to be for sure on this Dolphins team.
I think he'll be available at the very least.
Let's take a quick break and on the other side, we're going to talk about Tua.
We're going to talk about Kyler Murray and uh yeah, we might even talk about my boy Gino, who could be available this offseason.
All right, we're back on NFL Daily and we're gonna do a little news we can do.
We're taping this Thursday night.
It's been a minute since we taped that preview show, and new information is worth mentioning here.
Jacoby Brissett, in the portion of practice that the Arizona Cardinals writers were able to witness, was throwing the ball to the starters, Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson, et cetera.
Kyler Murray, in the portion of practice that reporters were able to watch, were throwing, was throwing passes to backups and like scout team guys, okay, Kyler Murray listed as limited on the injury report.
We thought he might be fully back this week.
He's listed as limited.
You know, insert Brian Winhurst conspiracy fingers here.
I don't think this is even much of a conspiracy.
The Cardinals do not have Kyler Murray speak to the media today.
He was schedu to speak to the media.
They tell the media that a quarterback press conference at a future date this week will occur, hosted by quarterback.
By the way, for what it's worth, the last couple of weeks, when Jacoby Brissett did start, he did it press conference later in the week.
Like so, it sure sounds like Kyler Murray is getting what I like to call the old JJ McCarthy A little soft benching here, That's what I'm calling it.
And I'm curious about your thoughts there, and we can get into the long term of it all, but maybe let's start with the short term of it all.
With what's going on with the Cardinals here.
Speaker 1Oh, Kyler, you're still a little banged up.
You know, I take another week off.
You know our offense is kind of doing better with that.
I need to take another week off.
We're trying to get a win here.
How about consider these stats for menfl research Jacoby present at a sixty five completion percentage average, nearly three hundred passing yards per game, four to one touchdown to interception ratio, ninety eight point nine passer rating his two starts, yet over two hundred and seventy five passing yards in each of his two starts.
Kyler has not broken two hundred and twenty passing yards in any of his games.
In twenty twenty five, Arizona averaged twenty point six points per game with Kyler Murray in the lineup, and under three hundred yards per game weeks one to five, twenty five points per game three hundred and sixty five yards per game with Jacoby Brissette.
The numbers tell you what the eye has already told you over the last two weeks, which is that this offense has been better with Jacoby Brissett at the controls.
Now, this is a team that if they got into third and long, which was a common occurrence with Kyler at quarterback, they were pretty much doomed.
You go back to last year, same story.
They lose James Connor weeks ago running game, a struggle that usually would insulate Kyler in these situations.
They have a better offense with Jacob yet quarterback right now, and they are a team that needs to win a football game.
They are two and five, they are playing a Dallas Cowboys defense that can't stop a nosebleed?
Speaker 2Interesting, why not keep.
Speaker 1Jacoby in and maximize your potential against a bad defense?
That's I am on board with the soft benching.
It's weird how it was described today.
We are preparing Kyler as the starter, but you're not gonna say he's the starter.
So what's the point.
And if you're preparing him as the starter, why is he running with the twos?
So I makes sense.
Speaker 2You know, I'm hearing from a lot of Cardinals fans or just general fans on Twitter, it's like, Ah, he's just doing a smoke screen.
It's gonna be Kyler hearing from others that it's the opposite, like he's just trying to keep it vague, but yeah, it'll be Jacoby like, but Kyler's hurt.
They've indicated the last couple of weeks that they thought Kyler would be back for this game.
He literally was on the practice field before the last game, which was before the bye week.
For them, this is at an absolutely crucial moment in this entire regimes run year three, when it needs to happen.
And they have a quarterback that they inherited with a massive contract, and look, I know he got that contract when they arrived, but he was there before they arrived.
And you have an offensive coordinator and Drew Petsig who's familiar with Jacoby, and there was a lot of confidence.
You Jordan alluded to it when she went to Cardinals' training camp earlier this offseason.
I mean, you know in camp, like how much they like Jacoby Brissette.
I just think it's telling and it's a huge moment for this entire regime because they're saying, when the chips are down, like, this is who we want, This is who we trust to turn our season around to save our jobs.
You know, it doesn't hurt that they're against the Cowboys on Monday Night either.
I mean, like the whole country's going to be watching and we're playing this cupcake defense.
I mean, that would be a soft landing for Kyler to return.
So I think that says a lot.
And now I want to pivot to the long term of it all.
I think the Cardinals are a good team that could get back in the mix, but the NFC is deeper.
This is in the AFC.
It's gonna be a tough road to get all the way back with their brutal schedule.
I don't think Kyler Murray is going to be on this team next year, and so that immediately makes him, in my mind.
Looking at the landscape, the most intriguing quarterback that could be available.
The draft doesn't look as as frisky, although obviously those guys are going to be interesting.
And then the free agency and trade market is never great, and we'll talk about a few guys.
I think two is one of them, but I think I think personally Kyler would have a lot of value.
Do you agree.
Speaker 1I think it's about fit, Like you have to think about suitors.
How desperate are the suitors first team?
I think I was the Browns, Like I wrote something down, that's what I'm interested.
Are they interested in Kyler Murray.
I mean that's not quarterback that necessarily fits the dynamic or the style of offense.
And Kevin Sefanki runs.
In fact, Jokobe percent ran it pretty well.
Speaker 2Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think that's a fit.
Speaker 1No, But yeah, I think he's gonna draw some Any quarterback with any sort of history of success, whether it's one year or you know, sprinkled in success here or there, or high and low moments, which is the latter is basically Kyler Murray's career is going to command interest because there are never thirty two solid jobs.
There are never thirty two confirmed starters in the NFL.
There's always interest somewhere.
So yes, I think he will draw interest.
Speaker 2Yeah, and I think he is a better option than plenty out there.
He is only twenty eight years old.
He's shown a level of success for extended periods.
The problem is he hasn't like struck it over a cold season.
He'll of a hot month, they'll have a hot half season.
But at a pretty high level.
The skill set is obvious.
I think there's concerns about how he leads.
Patrick Peterson, former teammate, has voiced those concerns when he was on the team, and now he's voicing him as part of the media that he doesn't think that he essentially rallies the troops enough and gets the buy in from his teammates in the way that Patrick Peterson would like to see.
That said, sometimes a second chance in a new place.
We've seen it with good quarterbacks.
Like it was poisoned for Darnold, it was poisoned for Baker, Gino Smith took a while to get going.
Daniel, Like, I think it just could be good for him.
If he's going to have success.
Maybe it's gonna be somewhere else where he's out from the pressure and everything that's happened since he's been the number one overall pick in Arizona.
Speaker 1I need to know the teams now because I'm thinking about all those quarterbacks listed and like, it doesn't work for Baker if he doesn't go through it, it doesn't work for Sam if he doesn't have a year in Minnesota.
I need to know the teams.
Speaker 2Okay, Well, there's Miami number one.
That's gonna be tricky because if we'll get to Tua, but they'd have to take on some cold by the.
Speaker 1Way, could you imagine mon scenario in which Steven Ross doesn't fire Mike McDaniel at all and just like decides to swamp quarterbacks because that would be absurd.
Speaker 2In fact, and watching it was hilarious watching the Chris Greer shots that they were trying to show, but he was like behind the post.
It was like, I'm hiding from you.
Speaker 1I know you're there, just with the camera, Dan Marino.
He's wearing a teal jacket.
Speaker 2Right, Because yeah, the blame pie can go around, and I think considering the fact that the Dolphins haven't won a playoff game in twenty four years, was it and that's the longest of any team in the NFL, I mean, I think the blame pie has to start at the very top because that's the most common, the thing that's run through all those years.
But Chris Grere has been there basically that whole time too.
By the way, he hasn't been in charge the whole time, but he's been in charge for a while.
So I think you go to the very top, and then I think you go right under him, and that's Chris Gerey.
So Mike McDaniel would be lower for me, But I assume they're gonna blow up the whole thing.
So there's Miami, that one could be tricky.
There's the Saints.
Our friend Adam is immediately like, don't put that stink on me.
I was like, you should be so happy if you could get Kyler Murray.
He'd be the best post breeze quarterback you've had.
I would, I would.
It's got to be better than whoever you find for next year.
You should be happy with Keller.
Speaker 1With Kellen Moore.
I don't mind that.
I don't hate that.
Speaker 2I could see that.
The Raiders I think are going to be in the market for a quarterback.
I don't know what's going to be going on there, but Gino Smith, you can get out of that contract, and unless it changes, I think they're going to be looking.
I can just see that.
Can't you just see Kyler Murray in this over Yeah?
Speaker 1I mean in the silver black.
Yeah.
But the Raiders are like very radioactive to me right now.
Speaker 2So that's just well, it's not gonna be good for him.
And also I think Tom Brady's gonna making quarterback judgments recommendations.
I don't think Kyler Murray.
I don't think he would lean to the Jets could be looking for a quarterback.
You know, Justin Fields is on a two year contract, but certainly they could be looking for an upgrade.
You mentioned the Browns after that, it'd have to be more of a like a surprise team.
Could Jacksonville be looking for a quarterback?
I don't know.
Once we get once we get further down the list, it gets into just bigger surprises.
But he'll have a market, I think.
And the contract is reasonable thirty six million dollars depending on which part of the roster bonus when it's paid.
Something around thirty two million dollars has already been guaranteed.
That's fine, Like you would take that.
There's really nothing past next year, so it'd be a one year trial and you see what happens with Kyler Murray.
I think it'd be interesting.
I think he has a chance.
I'm I'm planting my flag.
Speaker 1I'm thinking back a few years ago to when he got this contract and then there was all the drama and he cleared his social media and all that stuff.
And it's kind of crazy how when time passes suddenly those contracts that seem so bloated and like could be an albatross in future years.
The way they're structured, You're like, nah, you know, they can get out of it, Like it's fine, it's totally feasible.
Speaker 2We would find this.
Speaker 1We set this stage going into the season.
We felt like the Cardinals twenty twenty five season was a a judgment of Jonathan Gannon, but more importantly a judgment of the future with Kyler Murray and whether he'd be there or not.
So now that we've arrived at this point, I'm not at all surprised.
Yeah, I think it could definitely happen.
Speaker 2And it was a really interesting time when if you think back to it, because that was twenty twenty two, and like they were under a lot of pressure to commit to him.
But then you look at this Gannon you know, regime and the general manager you know, proceeds Gannon there, and it was believed there was some pressure, you know, coming from ownership too, and so he never has exactly been the Cardinals guy in terms of their general manager.
Anyways, Okay, let's move on to Tua.
I was trying to think of Monty Austin for it's name, and it was just like double check, now you got it.
When he was there, man, I think they got to get out of this to of business.
He doesn't make sense without Mike McDaniel.
I don't think Mike McDaniel's going to be there.
He has a lot of guaranteed money next year, fifty four million dollars guaranteed, almost nothing after next year.
But I at least think they would check around to see if there was some sort of market for Tua.
It's all going to depend who's running the show there.
But I just don't I just don't think it's going to happen.
I think he's a limited quarterback and I would pay to get out of the toua market, eat the dead money.
In the short term, you actually save money in terms of the salary cap next year if you trade him, despite all that guaranteed money accelerating, they would save money against the cap by trading him.
And with that in mind, if they would take on some of the money, then I think another team would be interested.
Me maybe the Vikings would be interested in a one bee like you're just just throwing different names out there.
Speaker 1Yeah, if the McCarthy thing continues to be a mystifying experience as it's been so far, But yeah, you're right, because they're eleven in the red right now, and they would clear thirteen to four on a trade with next year pre I think that, yeah, pre June first, right, so it's yeah, I mean they'd clear eleven.
They'd clear eleven, which would get them out of the red that carry forty five point two.
Indead, it amounts somewhat to the Broncos getting rid of Russell Wilson.
And I think if you're going for a regime change, in an identity shift away from this creative motion heavy offense, we're gonna throw it all over the yard YadA, YadA, YadA, like Tyreek Hill.
You know, he's talked about potentially retiring, Like if he retired now, he'd be fine with it.
Like a lot of changes coming to this team, and I think it's necessary, and I think it should involve your quarterback.
Not to just be like a guy who agrees with everything you say on this specific episode, but like the proof is in the tape now, I will say there have been games where he's been very good.
There have been games where he's been very bad.
Tonight was neither.
He was average and his teammates let him down.
But if you're changing your identity.
You're right, Tua does not fit.
The only worst place to be though than where they're at right now is a team with no idea and no quarterback, and that's the big risk you take.
Speaker 2He wasn't great tonight, but I think tonight was a perfect example of he looks.
I think he just has a limited skill set.
I don't think he's great adjusting after this nap.
He has to do a few certain things well.
He doesn't certainly doesn't create plays on his own, and doesn't have a huge arm.
And it's probably more likely because of the contract that he will be there with either a rookie or someone that he's competing with for one last year.
But I just am of the mind that if it's a new head coach, like don't waste that year.
We see teams do that all the time, and even if that's likely to happen, I don't think it's a particularly good idea.
By the way, I just I did want to make a correction.
Austin Forton Gannon did completely inherit Murray, And what I was thinking about was when they were hired.
Remember they made the big show of really embracing him and the timing was really confusing because they had just signed Murray to that big contract the previous summer before Kingsbury gets blown out in the middle of that season, so it was the timing was tricky.
But remember they went to Oklahoma and went to watch his number get retired, and it was a big They were trying to really embrace him even though that wasn't their guy, and I think they've tried to make it work and it just hasn't.
Speaker 1And that happens, you know, both of these players just and I think there was probably more ammunition behind signing Kyler than there was Tua.
But we have found ourselves in this strange position in the NFL these days, where the contracts get bigger and bigger, and teams there's a lot of confirmation by us within these front offices if the front office that drafted the guy is still there.
You see that across a lot of different positions, but especially at quarterback.
Three guys come to mind that have signed these big deals because they were due and there were questions.
Kyler, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence.
Two of those guys could be facing a new home next year.
As we just discussed, We'll see what happens with the Jaguars.
But last year it felt like maybe Trevor was headed that way too.
Weird weird time in the NFL to be in a position where you've got to pay big dollars to a guy that you might not be one hundred percent convinced as your guy.
Speaker 2Well in a weird time.
And I've always thought this that the fourteenth best quarterback in the league gets a pretty close to the same contract as the best quarterbacks in the league.
Like Jimmy Garoppolo has been the highest paid quarterback in the league, Trevor Lawrence has been the highest paid quarterback league to a tongue of blow has been the highest paid quarterback in the league.
It's a weird system and it always makes me think that the most underpaid and best value players in the NFL are like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes because it's like, why are they the same as toua And if there was no salary cap, they'd all be making one hundred and fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 1I would defer their contract like Shoe Heeo Tani.
Speaker 2Right they till they moved to Japan after their careers.
I think Gino could be available by the way too, and then a guy who would be on MVP ballots if the MVP was voted for today and we'll be doing our mid season awards next week.
Daniel Jones also a free agent.
I don't list him and want to even really go too deep into him, because if he continues on this trajectory, there's just no way the Colts are going to let him go.
He'll be franchise tagged, they'll figure out a contract, but teams do not get let players like that go if they don't want to, and there's no reason why he would want to go anywhere anyways.
Speaker 1And they are, they're fortunate, but they also deserve credit for taking that swing on him because there's been a lot of teams whose first round pick flames out and they have nowhere else to go, and that's the track they were on, and they were just like, you know what, we need to bring in competition for Anthony Richardson.
There's been a lot of those situations are going to bring in competition and it doesn't produce anything.
This happened to produce the perfect scenario for them where they could just be like, Anthony, just stay over there.
We got a good thing going here.
We'll pay this guy.
Speaker 2I did the Lockdown Vikings podcasts earlier this week, check that out with Luke Brown, and we were saying they had a chance to do that perfect scenario themselves and just pay a few more dollars for Daniel Jones, and they probably would have had to promise him a real chance to win that starting job, and I don't think they were ready to do that.
And maybe JJ McCarthy will prove this all stupid, and maybe Daniel Jones will have a Sam Darnold like end to the year, which will complicate matters for the Colts.
But the difference is the Colts don't have anyone waiting in the wings that they're gonna have faith in.
So I think Daniel Jones is going to be there unless the Wheels came off really hard.
Don't think that's gonna happen, all right, The Wheels stayed on this podcast even if they didn't stay on this game.
Love you, Shook, Appreciate you, and yes, I hope your fan from the wedding in New Orleans is listening.
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