He called it loon shit.

It's just that freaking greasy top layer on those northern.

Oh, I've been running from the lawn.

Hope they won't shoot me down some.

But I froze my bag off like I had every piece of cloth on inside my space.

Try to catch me.

It's a big one today.

Episode 69 Devin Gassoff how you doing?

Fucking real good, Yeah, it's summertime.

Fucking heat waves rolling in.

I think it was 33° here and I think you guys had.

We were 30.

434 up there, so yeah.

Which only means forest fire season's probably shortly gonna be here.

Yeah, enjoy the sun while at last, 'cause it's probably gonna turn to smoke in the next few weeks.

Yeah, at least in the Caribou, it seems.

Episode 69 Should we just stop at this one like good number to stop on?

Yeah, well, why not, right?

Keep the shit wagon rolling, buddy.

What are you talking about?

Fucking rights.

Do it for the people.

That's right.

Yeah, we're done.

So how you been the last little while?

Good man.

Our meals curtailed, which is scary, but yeah, the same, same time, not because it's like I get, I work 7 days in the month of June, which actually sounds pretty good because the weather's nice.

And I'm like, it's yeah, we went golfing a bunch.

Fucking, I got some lake days coming up here planned anyways, if the weather stays nice.

But any time that, you know, your work fucking shuts down for a while, it's a little bit scary, especially when you're in forest industry seems to be not getting a ton of support from the provincial or federal government, which is pretty fucking sad.

And this is all directly tied to like the tariff war with US and the US and China.

It's kind of really affecting the pulp market worldwide.

Sucks but hey, I'll take 3/4 of the month of June off anytime.

The only thing better than this would be 3 months, three weeks off in September.

Yeah, save my holidays.

Yeah, exactly.

So yeah, what about you, man?

Well, it's fuck it as the summer's rolling in quick that Archer shoots only two weeks away.

Less than two weeks away.

So I had to dust the bow off.

I would say 'cause I'm going to an Archer shoot for the fun of it, but I hadn't done anything with my bow for months and even last year I didn't shoot that much.

So it it was time I had new strings for it 'cause my prime you can get replacement strings every two years.

So I've been meaning to get new strings put on it.

So I had to go take it to my bow guy.

So I took it out to for anyone in the West Kootenai is looking for a bow guy.

If they haven't heard of Boh archery, there's a guy out in Salmo.

He's a beauty, good, good guy to go in and bullshit too.

And I also he had posted recently he had he's a Carpenter and this is the bow was his side thing and he felt like a slick shop with like mounts everywhere and a lot more floor space and shit.

So I was he's like, well, you can just drop it off and I'll do it.

I'm like fucked up man.

Like I want to see your shop, like there's not a lot of shops in the small little W cooton area, especially with like, you know, good archery stuff.

And he stalks like a lot of Phelps calls.

That's where I get all my reads and shit from.

So I'm like, no, no, I'm coming out like no way.

Like I'm not missing that opportunity.

So I got to stop in there kind of bullshit with him, drop the bow off.

And then I also need arrows.

Like I haven't bought arrows in a while 'cause I really don't archery a lot.

So I I've usually just always just put up bought like a generic like hunting arrow, like carbon hunting arrow, like I've never really dug into it too much.

Like I buy good ones, but I for what I thought.

So I thought, well, I'll talk to him.

And I was like, well, what arrows?

I want to get a dozen arrows like for this shoot and also just to have.

And he's like, well, you, you shoot elk great.

Like that's what you want your bow for.

And I was like, yeah, he's like, then what are you shooting right now?

And I was told him like, well, I don't know, regular shaft like whatever the.

What are you shooting right now?

Like gold tip yeah, Hunter XTS, which is like, I think the point for something shaft like it's a bit of the the thicker shafts.

And I know that like the micro or the smaller ones a lot of guys run, but I just never really dove into it and I always just had good luck with the the gold tips.

They've always shot good.

They've been terrible.

So I just fucking always shot him.

Well, he's like, no, you should be shooting like thinner.

And I was like, OK, like why?

And he's like penetration man.

And I'm like, I like sounds of that, like OK, And he's like kind of like, well, what should I shoot?

And he's like, why this, this and this?

And he's like, well, these are my arrows, 'cause he has a big fucking thing of arrows.

And I was like, what do you mean there?

He just like casually says it like he's like, well, these are my arrows.

And I was like, what do you mean your arrows?

He's like, well, I sent out a design to like an arrow manufacturer and I wanted a certain, I wanted a certain weight per inch in a certain diameter for bigger game.

He's like, and he's kind of a beauty to talk to 'cause he's not, it's funny when we get talking, he's not an archery nerd, like as far as like competition shooting or anything.

He's like he's kind of in the same boat as us where he just does it and he likes it because he gets more days to hunt it.

But as soon as he get as soon as he gets his, like he literally just bought a, a carbon rogue in seven PRC.

So he's like, no, no, I like he's obviously knows his shit, but he's not like no archery or nothing.

It's so it was funny.

He's like, no, fuck, you won't notice.

Like it's good 'cause he's like you won't notice the difference between this and this.

You're not a good enough shot.

Like he knows that he's like there's just no way.

So he's like, this is what I would recommend and I'm like, well, fuck, let's do it.

He calls him the herd bowl.

Like that's his arrow.

It's BOHR tree herd bowl arrow.

And I'm like, sweet, set him up.

Let's do it like I'm fuck if you say they shoot good on game.

So he does all that sets him up and I take got my bow last weekend.

It's been shooting all week.

Fuck the first like three shots at 30 or 20 yards to get my bow recited in like punched through my target.

Real.

Really.

Yeah.

Not like all the way, but like the tips were sticking 4 to 6 inches of the backside of my block.

Enough to make it a cunt to pull them up.

Yo yeah, like an absolute cunt.

Do you practice with field tips or broad heads?

Field.

Do you?

Yeah, yeah.

I used to now until I just.

Shoot broad heads, Yeah.

Well, when you're, you're.

Getting your You're trying to get your bowl back in for this.

It's just.

Straight up dialed in.

And I'm also just going to go to the shoot.

But I sent him a picture of that 'cause he's like, yeah, you'll just get better penetration.

And I was like, OK, like, sure.

Like, right.

Like just kind of like one of those stats that you're like, yeah, sure.

And then I send him a picture.

I'm like, holy penetration, Batman.

Like, fuck.

It's like halfway out the backside of my block.

So he he wasn't wrong, which is sick.

I'm like, this is sweet.

Yeah, that's good.

Fucking yeah.

I've always shot gold tip Hunter XTS dude only because they were always cheap or on sale at Cabela's.

And there's supposed to be good air.

It was like I did some research on them before I bought those back in the day.

Yeah, but I know there was a big fad for those Easton FMJS and they were like a thinner shaft too.

Yeah, Full Metal jackets guys love those.

They they're supposed to be deep penetrating too.

Yeah and tough, yeah, you know, like I've, I don't know, like the gold tips, I they were always just cheap and I was like fuck it, I'm like and I was yeah.

I pick up my bow and I get my 10 days beginning of the season, my 10 days at the end.

And then every now and then I pick it up in like spring Bear obviously.

And then I don't know, it's just once rifle season comes.

I'm not a bow hunter.

I'm I'm solely opportunist bow hunter.

That's about it, right?

That's 100% and that's like the beauty of Jake there at BOH.

He's like, no, it's like most he's like I'm an opportunist bow hunter too.

He's like I can't.

And I said well the big thing for me why I'm so opportunist is like I literally hate packing my bow after 9 days.

Yeah, I just.

Yeah, it sucks.

Like it just literally gets drug around on the brush.

It's just like you're always setting it down or you'd throw your backpack down, you'd hit it and you're like, fuck.

Yeah, I remember fucking one of my first few times coming down with you.

I packed my bowl because I come down there for the last few days of bow season and then rifle season.

I had my rifle and my bowl in my backpack.

I'm like, this is fucking stupid.

Hung up on everything and like fighting brush.

And that's when we just started like pushing deep back into that area that we hunt down there.

And I'm like, fuck, fuck though, man.

Like, hey, don't get me wrong.

Like, yeah, it's I like it just solely to get out early for everyone else, but.

Yeah, it was sweet.

And like his new shop's wicked.

Like it's nice to see someone.

He's obviously like it's a side gig and he just wants it to be successful enough to, you know, be something that he can make a little side cash on and stuff, which is cool.

And I, I didn't even really know he was telling me he's got a like, he's got a website and everything for it.

And like, I always just 'cause I'm kind of friends with him.

So I just message him on Instagram most of the time.

Hey, I need some Mavericks.

Can you send them my way?

And he's like, sure, E transfer me.

So I just E transfer me, sends me the calls.

But he's like, you know, you can go on my website.

I'm like, Oh, you have a website.

So like B A/B OH, rtree.com.

And he's like, I ship reads free.

I'm on.

Fuck, that's sweet.

Yeah.

I was like, oh, sweet.

So like, I guess the other thing too, like if anyone's down here hunting in like the fall, if you're ever around like the Salmori and you need something, I would highly recommend checking him out.

Like he's he's got quite a few Phelps calls and he's got quite a bit of shit game bags in there and all sorts of stuff.

So I was, it was cool.

It's good to see.

And yeah, got my boat tuned in and didn't make me a better shooter, but it's shooting good.

Yeah, how, how was your groups?

Well, I broke 2 arrows sighting in.

Like like hidden with the same arrows or missing?

No, I hit, no, I hit the rock.

I was.

It's old.

I haven't shot in six months, and I forgot 'cause I have an adjustable slider, so I, like, did the old walk back to 40.

Still had it on fucking 20.

Yeah.

And there's a rock like right below my target, and it was just like smack smash.

Yeah, fuck, there's $10 gone.

Fuck fuck.

At least 10 bucks.

Yeah, the groups are OK.

Like it's coming.

You can definitely see I'm rusty, 'cause I can put 2, they touch and then all of a sudden a flyer.

Yeah.

And then I I get tired quick like you, 'cause I am shooting like.

Yeah, dude, you like shoot probably 30 times and you're fucking every the next day.

It's like, you know when you go to the range and your shoulders are when you shoot all day, It's like that.

But those back muscles from.

Drawing back, stretching out, but I like it.

I I do like shooting and like, and I've always enjoyed doing it.

Like it is fun to just sling arrows.

So it's, it's good.

I'm excited to try this event out.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

I think just bullshit.

And then I mean, I'm hoping it I'm, I'm assuming the group I'm with, like the guy I know, the one guy I'm going with and he's got a couple friends.

I'm like, it better be pretty fucking light hearted because I'm going to chirp you guys the whole time.

Like this is like scramble golf to me.

Drink some beers, shoot some fucking arrows.

Yeah, I'm, I'm disappointed.

That's like 2 of the seven days after work in June of that fucking weekend.

And I'm like fuck, that sucks.

Cuz yeah man, that'd be fun.

Like I used to shoot bull every fucking day for years man.

Like long bombs.

I remember your old place just sending like hundreds.

Fuck we, I was.

The corner of the neighbor's house was 99 fucking yards to my target and we would fuck me and him like he got, I bought my bowl from him, right.

We used to just fucking every night, man.

We would just shoot arrows for fun.

And then we had 100 yard long bombs fucking like sending groups at 100 yards.

Like it was to the point where I couldn't shoot more than three arrows because I was knocking my own arrows.

Yeah, well, that was supposed to shoot at different spots.

Yeah, well, that's not as fun and it's good to brag about.

Oh yeah, I knocked my own arrow.

And then you start.

That's the shitty thing with shooting broadheads, because that's I just practice with broadheads now.

I don't.

I barely even touch my bow anymore.

But when you fucking make nice groups you start cutting your fletchings off, which is a fucking pain in the Dick whenever.

I shoot broadheads, I don't shoot them at the same spot on the target.

Because I I just, I do it just like I've got like one of those blocks and it's got like a heart picture, right or whatever.

Yeah.

So I just try to stack them in there and I only shoot two or three at a time.

But yeah, he started getting good again and cutting your fletches and then yeah, that's good enough.

I don't know how many times in the probably the last six years I still managed to kill shit with my bow.

But I like literally I'm like, I'm going to go bow hunting tomorrow.

I'll grab my bow.

I'll shoot fucking 20 arrows and be like, fuck, good enough.

Like throw it in the fucking truck.

Yeah, yeah, it's good.

It's going to be fun.

I've been staying pretty dedicated to the the pack training hikes.

I see that, you fucker.

Yeah, I swing together a couple of good days and then I'm like alright, like I got a good lead on Devin and then I got a fucking a day where I don't do much or something.

I look, he's 10,000 ahead of me much Fuck.

And once you get to that point, you're kind of like the wind's out of your sails.

You're like, I'm not going to catch him now.

It's a whole day so.

So do I just take the rest of the week off?

You fuck.

Like let him work his Dick off but.

Yeah, I wanted it this.

Week saying you're going to you won this week I'm pretty.

Sure, toast.

Oh yeah, I think it's like a 30,000 difference this week.

What that much?

It was last I checked.

Check you were.

Yeah, probably.

Actually, I didn't.

I've been on night shifts the last.

This is my third night in a row for night shift, so that's what I'm blaming it on.

So fuck you.

What are we at here?

There's two minutes.

Fuck yeah.

You're 107,000 and I'm at 82,020.

5000.

Still respectable week for me considering I was working night shifts.

But yeah, one O 7, that's all right.

That's nothing to brag about.

We were up in the one 20s for a while.

Yeah, it's just an average week.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So I've been getting out for a little longer hikes is what I'm trying to do, like at least once a week, try to really put like more weight on the new boots.

And so I and you know, I've always been a creature of habit when it comes to packing my backpack.

So now that I have a new backpack, I need to figure out how to pack it.

Yeah.

So I was like the other day.

I'm like, fucking, I hate just throwing dumbbells in or like weights.

They just idiot pack like shit.

It always feels funny.

Like you always get that like nagging feeling or like just sags weird.

So I was the other day I was like kind of getting my bag together and I was like, fuck it, I'll just throw all my shit in it.

Like I'll just throw my sleeping bag and I'll throw all my gear like my Jetboil, a bunch of my hunting gear, like all my optics and just no food.

So I have like 1 dumbbell in there to like represent some food.

Throw like a water bottle in full of water and yeah, it it does pack it feels better so.

And I was also like, well fuck, I got to start figuring out how to pack this bag anyways.

Like I'm used to the 7200 on the Akuyu so.

Because it's slightly smaller.

Slightly smaller and it so far so good.

But I'm just like, well, it's nice to not just like, oh, the first time we go up the mountain, I'm figuring out how to stuff shit in it.

So last weekend I did like it.

There's a hike just outside Nelson that I was like, I can do fuck.

I think it was 3700 feet of a cent.

Yeah.

And then it kind of plateaus along the top of the mountain and then it comes down back down to the highway.

And it ended up being like 12 kilometers.

So it wasn't like crazy long, but it was like about 5 hours, 50 LB bag in pretty like reasonably warm weather, just like get get a sweat on, get the feet hot like that.

The decent was probably my least favorite.

Like up is cardio and everything usually feels pretty good.

Going up fucked by the the the down was long and the way I went to like one one way's steeper and then one way's a little more gradual and I picked the steeper out on the down and they had like the feet like good, good for him.

Like just like a little bit, I don't know, like kind of just tender.

I think it's just the weight and just and having not having to do it without really any rest for a long time.

They just they just it was good for them.

They didn't like blister or anything.

They didn't feel hot.

They just feel like, I don't know, kind of like a muscle being worked well.

Like 12 K, that's a fucking.

That's a pretty good poke.

Like even if you're sheep hunting, like not very often do you do more than 12K in one day?

Yeah, you know, like some maybe if like you and Matt probably went a ways on your hunt.

The first day, yeah.

Yeah, like, yeah, yeah, your first day is always a grind when you're sheep hunting.

But like for you, like you're getting your.

That's why I tell Dow I'm like, I got to get my body used to packing the weight.

It doesn't mean like it's dead with dumbbells suck.

Like I got, I put that fucking to Tonk on and I got a £40 strap to the top of the frame and a 20 LB strap to the middle of the frame.

And I, I, I put tie wraps on it so there's slipped up tight, so it doesn't fucking suede doesn't rock.

It's actually pinned in there pretty good.

But it it doesn't feel the same as when you've got your bag on loaded like your pack.

If you if you pack it properly, your backpack feels better with your gear in it than it does just a bunch of dead weight.

Always.

You can space everything out if and it fills the bag up too, at which I think it it just supports nice.

I don't know.

Just weird, but it spreads it out better.

It just spreads the weight out where it's that's how the backpack supposed to be used.

Like they're not designed to haul a fucking 40 LB dumbbell like, so yeah, I think it's just better.

Yeah, but yeah, getting your your body used to packing that weight.

Like our last sheep hunt, I went on like I didn't do fuck all really to train.

I did like three walks with I think I've had my whole bag floated.

So like probably 6570 lbs in there.

I just walked around the neighborhood, you know, like, don't get me wrong, that's the bare fucking minimum prior to going to do a sheep hunt.

And I paid the price more up there.

But like if you can go get some incline and some decline cause decline sucks.

It's hard on your feet, it's hard on your knees.

Yeah, yeah, the decline is actually, I can get cardio on a fucking elliptical.

Like you can build your lung and your heart and your leg cardio with a backpack on and it's good to do it that way too.

Don't get me wrong, I like doing it pointed, but I think the decline with 50 to 60 lbs on is you'll pay like way more dividends over a mountain hunt.

If you're going to do, if you had time to do any rocking, doing downhill rocking would probably be better time spent than worrying about the cardio, because you can go for a bike ride or jog or whatever and get cardio.

So, well, that's talk to anyone that's packed the sheep out or packed the fucking elk out.

Downhill is always fucking worse than going uphill.

I mean, when we packed your sheep outgoing up that fucking mountain, that sucked.

There wasn't anything fun about that.

Like I was taking 10 inch steps at a time and taking a break.

Like it was fucking I was bagged.

But if you had to come down that hill, you're stopping yourself from, like running or sliding or falling off the fucking Cliff.

So every step, your entire body is tensed up.

You can't hunch that weight up on your shoulders and bend over 'cause you're gonna fall off.

Yeah, Like, it's just, it works your muscles.

It's like doing negatives at the gym, like you work your muscles totally different.

I heard someone talk about a workout they do like for like flatlanders, guys who don't have mountains and then they go mountain hunting.

So like, yeah, Prairie boys who go they, they recommend guys either putting their backpacks on or carrying like dumbbells and putting a treadmill on like a 15° incline and walking backwards is what they walking.

Backwards.

Yeah, yeah, They walk backwards on it.

So you're doing.

That's like the only way they actually recommend guys do that as part of their training leading up to hunts if they can't get out in actual like incline.

Yeah, that makes sense it.

Puts the pressure.

On your knees, right?

That's what it is if.

Anyone has bad knees, decline is where you're going to fuck your knee up.

Yeah, not climbing.

It's coming down.

Same if your boots don't fit right.

If your feet are sliding, you'll jam your toes into the end of your boots like your ankles have to be locked in.

Yeah, it's that's the battle for sure.

So good for you for doing that.

I I've been hitting the gym and but I haven't been doing the cardio like I was doing prior.

And I've gained a little bit of weight since then too.

So I'm like, I'm back up to 222 from 2:16.

I was getting cocky.

I was like, oh fuck, like 210's easy, man, I'm going to hit 200.

Well, yeah, I got two months left 2 1/2 months.

So keep, keep her consistent.

Don't.

Don't need miracles, yeah.

Well, I still think it should be doable, but yeah, it's water retention.

That's what I'm telling you.

Yeah, it's, it's just eventually going to flush off and all the muscles are going to appear.

Exactly.

Shredded.

Yeah, chiseled like that was made out of marble.

So the fucking a couple things like I always I you know, we know this talked on multiple shows.

I always pick up ticks every time I go right.

And I'm actually, I'm actually getting a bit numb to it.

Like I've really changed my tone probably because of exposure.

Like I've been so like they're slow.

They don't like jump at you, like you finally just they're just gross.

But you just get used to them.

So I just kind of like roll with it now and I pick them off, throw them away, burn them, whatever.

Well, I'm getting like too desensitized 'cause I got home and this was last weekend and I was, I usually do a tick pretty good tick check too.

Like I RIP my shirt off and like shake it out and like really check while I went to have a shower and look in the mirror and there's like a black dot underneath my PEC.

What the fuck?

And then fucking tick was latched on right underneath my PEC starting like not big or anything yet but he was in there and I had to like tweezer him out to make sure I get his head and everything.

His head was buried in you.

Well, he started to bite.

Yeah, he was biting.

So then that happened last weekend.

And then this morning I went for a hike and when I got back to the truck, I shook some ticks off the the legs, like on my pants.

I always find them on my pants.

On your wig.

Oh, and your your hike this morning.

Yeah, like from my hike this morning.

And then I got back home and I usually the wife's home, I'll get her to check, like give me a quick tick check.

Like literally like I just stand there and just like check, didn't find any.

I'm fucking in the shower and I'm washing my legs and fucking look in my leg hair on my right calf and there's a black spot.

I'm like motherfucker and another tick starting to bite my calf on my right.

Leg.

So that's the dude.

Second time, 2 hikes.

Like so then I had to get her to really check me.

Like you know, like Brad Paisley song, like I'll check you for ticks.

Like literally she had to do it.

Like I'm like, make sure 'cause I don't want to fucking pull one of these fat fuckers out.

Oh dude.

Yeah.

Fuck.

You need a fucking forest fire down there.

Burn all that cock, suckers.

Yeah.

That even when I'm down in the fall like I've, it's on my mind all the time, man.

I've never got them in the fall and I'm not saying they're not or there's a chance they could be around probably depending on whether because I remember I've told maybe said it on here before when we talked about this like Corey Jacobson talked about git.

That's where he got his bad tick bite, was carrying an out coat in the fall, but it must have been 'cause they stayed alive on the elk or in the elk.

So a bit bit different, probably like landed on the elk in the spring and then stayed there the whole time or something.

But well.

They'll lay eggs, right?

And that's how they get tick infested.

They'll lay works.

And then that's a bit different, probably like it probably was from spring laying eggs.

So I I've never seen them in the fall.

And but I'm not saying it couldn't happen.

Yeah, fucking little bastards.

Fuck it.

Yeah, those in mosquitoes can go extinct any fucking time.

No one will be sad about that.

Yeah, they serve no purpose.

I want to touch on so after our last show, I think it was, we had a bunch of guys reach out, send us messages in regards to my story about my Co call and the compulsory inspection.

Kind of I don't know what you call it story.

And now we got a couple messages from guys in the sheep hunting world or just sheep hunters that were like you guys wouldn't you guys would be fucking or you'd be surprised how many guys get called in from like somebody whining about like their spot and they see a RAM get killed.

And what I mean is like guys were telling us like, Oh yeah, I got called in that my RAM was illegal and the CE OS had to like investigate it because some random guy called me in for like my fully legit kill.

And when I heard that I'm like, what the fuck are like guys really trying to achieve here?

Like, do they, you think it's like they act someone's actually like figures they know something or they just being fucking babies about, you know, a Spock getting or a RAM getting killed in their Spock.

That's a tough one because I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt and be like, Oh yeah, maybe they did things if something's wrong.

But I don't know, man.

I've met some Outfitters that are pretty cunty.

I've met some other hunters that are pretty jealous.

And I don't know, there's, it's fucking bullshit because if you fucking cry wolf and like, I get if you think someone did something wrong, like, yeah, you have to report them or talk to them or reach out or do something.

But if you're fucking like, it's kind of like fucking like that power.

Fuck that baseball player.

You know, a chick said it.

I don't know if he raped or whatever the fuck it was, but it came back was all false.

Like, is there any repercussions for these people that are falsely making lies up about people?

Yeah, like.

Well, that's I know, wasn't was that what we were talking about where we said like if you go out of your way to report someone and it's 100% like 100% without a doubt, like there was no reason for that report, then that person should have to like I and it's a it's a great, it's a tough subject because you're like, oh, sure, penalize the guy, you know, crying wolf, but then people might not report things.

Yeah, well, that's.

You should only be reporting illegal things.

Like we, we talked about like, you know, the stuff that you dealt with, like that's taxpayers money paying the Cos to investigate something, right?

It's no different than a special investigator for police.

Like that's dollars, taxpayer money, which they have a they have a job to do IA 100% agree with that.

I'm not complaining about that at all, but if someone calls someone in just because their butt hurt about someone, like what is there's no repercussions for that guy for just being fucking jealous.

And I don't know, man, like there's got to be something I don't know.

I don't know how, I don't know how you navigate this because like you could just fuck somebody's day up by like, I don't know, you could call Joe Blow and just because I don't like him, all that guy poached this or that guy.

Yeah, I wonder how often that actually happens.

I bet you it happens more than you fucking think man.

Yeah, like I never crossed.

I've never crossed my mind.

Like not even once have I ever even, like not even once.

If I've been like fuck, I'm going to call that guy and like, no, that was my fucking RAM or that was my spot.

I'm like, oh fuck, yeah.

I mean, I've never been in that situation, but I just, I would never.

I'd be like, well, fuck, I lost like or whatever.

Like yeah.

Like, yeah.

The one time fucking I, I just actually got the CEO stopped me and I was guiding and we were going in at first light and there was a fucking guy, he had a fucking jacked up Suzuki with light bars on it.

Two of them, him and his kid and fucking they came out with a fucking moose on in the back and it was like first minutes of light and they already had a moose loaded up and coming out and I was in there the day before.

They weren't fucking in, didn't kill it the day before.

And like the CEO pulled me over and I was like, well, I'm guiding this is my hunter.

Here's my fucking license and all the shit right?

And I was like, well, just so you know, like these guys are rolling around fucking doing night bites with fucking light bars killing moose in the dark.

Have it already fucking halved up and loaded coming out at first light.

I'm like, just so you know, these guys are bombing around like maybe, maybe fucking stop them if you see them kind of thing.

But that's pretty fucking blatant too.

Like I've been hunting that bull that that guy killed for fucking two days.

Like, and I was, I'm like, I've got to be in here before fucking daylight and they're coming out with that moose dead.

So I was pretty fucking bitter, but I was 100% right on what they did.

Unfortunately, the CEO talked to them, couldn't prove anything.

So then they got away with it.

But I don't know, it's it's catch 22.

Like you need more Co presence to stop shit like that.

But then if you get some false allocations like is there a repercussion for that?

I don't know.

I don't think there is.

Right.

No, no.

And that's where it'd be be a challenging thing to to do.

But it it's kind of like hockey.

You challenge a fucking penalty, you get penalized if you're wrong.

Well exactly that's that should be fucking life like.

You got to be accountable for, for doing it.

So it holds people true.

It it, it could work, you know, if it was done right.

And the problem is it'll create more work.

So if say that you did something like that, then now, now they're going to have to really investigate if they didn't need to like in some cases, they probably are like, OK, we do a quick investigation, whatever they don't have, you know, all this time if, if we don't think we see anything wrong.

But yeah, they would at the same time if they're doing a thorough investigation, if it's proven 100% legit.

OK, here's your $250 fine for false fault accusing.

Yeah, false accusations.

Yeah.

Something.

Or like Bill.

Bill them your time.

Yeah, right.

Here's the bill.

Yeah.

The government's not paying this tab you're fucking.

Maybe they'll get our taxes down.

Who knows?

Yeah, right.

Yeah, right.

Tax that.

But yeah, yeah, we had a buddy that called in, that's what Devin was talking about.

And he's like, yeah, some fucking bitch fucking called me in about my fucking ram I killed this year.

And I'm like, I was yeah, it's just, it's fucking annoying.

Snitches get stitches, bitches.

No, just joking.

Kind of, yeah.

Cry babies or yeah, sour pusses that they didn't get it.

I don't know.

So another, another thing that kind of came up over the last couple weeks was we got a bunch of messages after a, a story I put on about like made in Canada products.

And we got a bunch of like guys just messaging us.

And it, it's just kind of an interesting topic.

And it kind of comes down to like, you know, is stuff really made or manufactured in Canada, you know, supporting Canadian and US, you know, goods and, and that kind of thing.

And I just thought it was a, I'm kind of like undecided on how I feel about, I don't know, not not mating Canada products obviously like, but if a company that operates out of Canada and has to get some of their products manufactured offshores, should they be penalized for doing so?

It's kind of the conversation.

And not not penalize that shun shun which it.

Could be like in the fact of like, well, you're going to lose sales because of it.

Yeah, in in this day and age with the cost of everything, like if you're a small businessman, like saving dollars and cents here and there will make your business either sink or fucking float, right?

So it, it's hard and it depends on what industry you're in.

It's all different, right?

Like like you said, in your industry you guys source lots of stuff from all over the place.

Like you have to bring in certain materials.

When I think that's kind of why I like ask the question more or or not even ask the question thought about it after it was like, you know, brought to our attention that, you know, something that used to be made in Canada may long may no longer be made in Canada.

Like we don't know for sure.

I'll fucking know, but that's what that's what it sounds like.

And I was like, well, I work in manufacturing.

We, you know, import some products and rework them or you just sell them straight out.

And then we make our own, which is similar in most larger manufacturing sectors, industries like you.

That's how how it works.

Now, that's where the question for me is like, is it better to, you know, at what?

When do you do and a bunch of research on trying to figure out where products are made, like what kind of products do you draw the line on?

Because some products for sure.

I think there's lots of products in our industry that'd be nice and you probably have a good opportunity to buy some locally made simple gear.

Then I think like other products like, and I don't know this industry.

That's why I guess I'm a little bit like asking the question is for one that comes up to me is like a rain jacket.

Is there anyone in Canada building rain gear by hand, like that's lightweight comparable to the stuff we take mountain hunting?

I don't know, like I'm just saying like, do you, do you have to then research all your products?

Like I'm a little bit like where, where do you draw the line on this stuff?

And it still supports a Canadian companies, you know, trying to do good things out of Canada.

So I was like a little bit like, well, that's not that bad, is it?

I don't think so at all.

Like, you know, something simple as zippers on a jacket.

Like you, no one, no one makes their own zippers.

They're going to go buy YKK zippers because they're everywhere, they're easy to get, and they're a good product.

Well, I don't know exactly where YKK zippers are made.

I'm going to take a fucking guess that there's 50% chance it's made in fucking China, like everything else, right?

Or like something made there and assembled here.

Something like that.

That's fucking common in everything.

Kuyu Sitka, you fucking name it, man.

Like they're made in Mexico, India, China, Korea, wherever, you know, like my, my fucking industry, I'm in pulp.

We fucking make the pulp here.

It gets shipped directly to fucking China, Korea and India.

And they turn around and turn it into a certain fucking type of cardboard that we fucking buy our packages in.

Like it's, it's the world works on trade.

And if you can fucking have a market somewhere and if you can do something for slightly cheaper, you know, and like, don't get me wrong, there's people that are people that are doing it the right way where I can get this made cheaper and faster means I can sell it for less money and hope you're selling quantity.

But then at the same time there's people like I can get it cheaper and faster and sell it for more money and profit more money too, right?

Yeah, if you're doing that or maybe the the quality went absolutely shit, which is usually the case.

Usually that is the case, yeah.

I don't think like seams are blown apart or the material is lighter or thinner, not as RIP resistant, whatever it is, right.

But yeah, it's, you know, if, if the product quality has gone down and the price is the same, then you're a shyster.

If the product is the same and your price might not because you can make it cheaper shyster, but a businessman, you know.

But if you're, if you're get it made cheaper so you can lower your prices and you actually lower your prices and you're hoping to sell quantity, you know, and quality as well, then you know, you're, you're dancing the fucking knife edge of being an entrepreneur.

And I think the one thing that I took away from the couple conversations we've been having about this was make sure that if you are buying it, they're not selling it as only manufactured in Canada.

So that was like 1 take away.

I was kind of like, OK, I guess if companies are being transparent so the consumer can make that call, that's, that'd be the, that'd be the line to draw.

So if someone's not being transparent, that might be like, if they're like, oh, no, Canadian made Canadian this, whatever.

Like I'm not saying someone's doing this, but maybe that's what you look for.

It's like, Oh no, I know you're from Canada, but your products aren't all from Canada.

As long as that's transparent, I think maybe that's the important key issue.

Yeah, you can't say made in Canada, but then import your shit from China.

Like that's just, well, false advertising, whatever you want to fucking call it.

But at the same time, I'm, I'm full support of small business owners that are trying to that if that's fucking what you do for a living and you, you know, you're feeding your kids and putting a roof over their head.

I don't care what you get shit from.

If you're making quality stuff, I'll support it for sure.

And I think most people can get behind that too.

Yeah, yeah, just it was interesting.

Like it's such a small thing.

And then there was like quite a bit of a thought to this whole like for me, I was like, oh fuck, I don't know.

Like I didn't, I don't really know.

And then I in my head I was like, well fuck, is that the only way we should think about it?

Well, it seemed like people got their hackles up.

A little bit, yeah.

And it was more than one too, right?

It was like a few.

And I was like, oh, interesting.

And they weren't like mad at us or anything.

They were just making it.

They were giving us information that they knew.

And I was like, oh, really?

Thanks.

But.

And then I kind of was like, OK, well, going forward.

And then I was like, well, I don't know if I think exactly that way or what.

What is the thought, I guess was my question, Like what?

What should we be thinking about this situation?

So yeah, it's just good, good topic for conversation.

It's a it, you know, it's, it's a hard road to navigate, you know, cuz you do want to support your Canadian suppliers, you want to support Canadian business, small business owners 100%.

I think it's definitely certain product.

You could draw a hard line because you know, it could be made just fine here, North American or Canadian, And then certain products, you know, we don't have the sector or the support for the small business to be successful.

And that's kind of how I look at it.

Yeah.

If you're buying Canadian materials, there's going to be a price that comes along with that.

It's same as made in the US, like you're going to pay a premium for something that is manufactured in the US.

Especially right now.

Well, yeah, yeah.

And if if you're buying something from the US and coming to Canada, then you're really going to pay a premium on that.

So, and today's day and age with inflation in the price cost of living, like for me, man, if I can save a couple bucks here and there, it you got to do it.

I think, you know, like if it's still quality and it's a little bit cheaper because you can get it sourced overseas.

I don't have a fucking problem with that at all.

Realistically, I'm more about supporting good people, small businesses.

You know, like Cornell is a big, big thing slogan where it's like shop local.

Yeah, right.

Because we live so close to Prince George and I'm, I'm guilty for it too, where it's like, oh, we got to blow up to Prince George.

You do a Costco run and buy a bunch of fucking meat or whatever when I could go buy meat from a butcher in town or a farmer in town or whatever.

It doesn't matter.

But you know, if you can support a small business, you know, and a lot of people that's all they got is whatever they're fucking producing or making, that's their livelihood rides on that.

I don't care where you get your shit from.

Sourced.

Sourced ethically, I guess you could say.

Yeah.

Well, I think on that, that actually ties into our our guest today, you know, local, local grocery store, gun store, entrepreneur, conservationalist, handsome, tall son of a bitch.

Our guest today, the one and only Omer.

It was always fun having him on.

I always, I don't know, I'm always ready for a chuckle.

He's just got such a fucking sense of humor about him.

Just the way he like just suddenly drops like the most offside fucking comments.

It's just like, it's just so good.

I think I love the fact that like you, if you don't know Omer and you see him, he's clean cut.

You know, he might have a goofy mustache every now and then, but his hair is done, dress is nice, very well spoken, educated.

And then he's got some dark fucking humor to him that just fucking goes right at par with me and you, right where he'll drop something subtly where you just like look at him.

Like what the fuck did you just say?

Like, but it's awesome, man.

And then he goes down rabbit holes.

Like there's a reason why when I go there to pick up fucking dinner, I'm there for an hour because we'll be talking about something.

And then fucking 45 minutes goes by and then I'm like, I got to get home.

Like I got to make dinner still for the kids.

So I got to go.

I'm always running out the door when I stop there.

It's never like, OK, see you later and saunter out.

It's like hurry up and pay and run out.

But no, he's a salt of the earth guy.

And you know, another guy, like lots of his products don't come from Canada.

I guess we could say that too.

It comes from fucking the guns and bullets and everything comes from the US So yeah, I don't know.

Ties in nicely is what we're talking about.

Ties in real nice.

You know, what's funny is he hasn't been on in so long that when we were waiting for you to sign on for the interview or the episode we did with him, he asked me like, you know, or has anything changed?

Do do I need to watch my PS and QS like, or can is, is the show still pretty offside?

I said, obviously you haven't listened to very many episodes lately, but yeah, we're we're worse or at least the same.

Omer let her fucking fly, buddy.

Yeah, the fuck meter is always high on our show.

Give a fuck.

Meter low.

That's right.

Anyways, enjoy Ober Hermeneck from Precision Optics.

It's always a pleasure to welcome back Homer to the Come Out Heavy podcast.

And we were talking a little bit before.

I think it was super fitting.

I saw episode 69 in the books to get you back on here.

Spicy.

Just like my neutered 0% Heinegen Clam beer, you know, in celebration of Juneteenth, actually.

And I.

And I got something else to show you boys.

Oh.

Oh.

So you know, when you're when you're half a century old and you're heading into sheep season, you got to give up a lot of things.

And one of them is booze for me.

But fear not, I was in the liquor store and the guy there told me that they had non alcoholic bourbon.

And if you see that it's called undone non alcoholic.

And then if you notice it says this is not whiskey.

And I can confirm that it is not fucking whiskey at best what it is.

And like this is the best effort that these guys can make.

Like apparently this took them 10 years to figure out.

OK.

Yikes.

And So what it tastes like is, you know, when you pour a nice whiskey, like a real good bourbon or a good rye or a good.

Skin like like Gibson's over like Diet Coke and like.

Alberta Premium.

Yeah, like a good one, like a silver.

Like something in a plastic bottle?

Yeah, there.

Yeah.

So when you drop it, it doesn't break.

Bottle, yeah, OK.

I drink whiskey to get fucking wasted, not fucking sip on it for the taste.

When when OK, when you when you get a little bit older, Kurt, and you learn I'm.

Pretty old.

You learn learn to pull flavour notes, you know, like you read the bottle and you're like, no, I don't taste Cottonwood.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

But anyway, you know when you pour in nice.

And.

And cart shag carpet a.

Little bit of Yee.

Well, anyway, this, this stuff tastes like when you pour a real whiskey over a bunch of ice and you drink the whiskey and then you leave the glass, you know, on the table.

And then the next day you walk by and you're fucking thirsty for some reason and you decide I'm going to drink that water.

That's what it tastes like.

Yeah, tastes like he just come back from pride month with a sore mouth.

Hey now, it's Juneteenth.

OK, have some respect.

Sorry sorry 65 month forgot for the for the creedmoors out there.

I'll say one thing, you guys remember FUBAR.

Yes.

OK, you're Dean Deaner.

Dean, Dean Murdoch.

And he's giving shit the fucking Pharaoh about how high he's got the suck knob turned.

Well, like last year, Juneteenth was fucking turned all the fucking way up to 10.

OK?

It was like fucking 10.

It was like breaking the fucking bass.

Well, this year she's down to a nice audible, barely audible, like 1 1/2.

And that's exactly where it belongs.

I can stay right fucking there.

Tron funk and blow.

Tron funk and blow yo-yo funkin blow anybody?

If anybody gets that actually genuinely gets that, I'll be impressed.

I mean, FUBAR is you got to kind of live in like Western Canada to really appreciate it.

Oh yeah, yeah.

And you got, if you're in Albertan, you really appreciate it.

100% fuck that fucking brings back a whole lot of memories of FUBAR, Shotgun and beers man.

Like fucking cooking wieners over gas.

You can jump, Farrell.

You can jump.

Ah, fuck.

Anyways, buddy, it's great to have you back.

Yeah, it's been a while.

It's been way too long.

I don't.

It's saying it's been over.

Well over a year, I think.

Well, it's kind of fucked up because you stop in like at least once a week and we have about a one hour bullshit in the office and most of the time like we should have recorded that shit.

We never do.

Yeah, I get grief about two times a week from fucking Were you at Armour?

You're not allowed to stop at Aroma on your way home from work.

I sent you a grocery.

One fucking thing, one thing milk an hour later.

Hey, it's a big fucking store man, and there's lots of different types of milk.

It takes a while to figure it out.

There's a lineup.

That's what I always.

Say it started right in the office in Michelle's chair, so much where I fell down and sat for 45 minutes while we talked.

Yeah.

Oh, fuck.

Well, since we've last chatted, man, fuck, there's so, so many new things have happened.

Yeah.

Like in the industry, like, I don't even know where to start.

But you know, like what's what's 2025 looked like for you guys so far with, you know, the, the provincial election from last year and then the federal election that just happened.

I'm sure a lot has changed in your world.

Yeah, I mean, I talked to a lot of people and the vast majority of them I would say are, you know, right leaning lean on the right side of the aisle.

However you want to talk about any overall consensus is the first five months of 2025 or kind of like an anal exam that's gone wrong, like it fucking doesn't feel good.

Like it's, it's, it's it, it doesn't.

I mean, let's.

It's supposed to feel good.

Well.

You know, whatever you're too, you never know.

I'm not going to judge.

You know what I'm just saying, you know, no, I mean, it's, you know, right from I mean, I don't, I don't care.

Like the federal election was pretty disappointing to most sensible people who weren't sucked into the, you know, fear mongering in mass media.

And then with it comes a slew of shit that are making the average just consumer.

I don't want to typify people as consumers, but as a business person, that's kind of how I look at people's activity.

It's made them tentative and they're hesitant.

And then on top of that, you know, this tariff situation, this punitive terrorist tariff situation that Canada has in place just further penalizes the consumer and businesses.

And a lot of people don't really understand how these tariffs are working and what that deal is.

But if you guys want me to bore you to death, I'm happy to tell you because there's a lot of misinformation about it.

I mean, when when we're talking about the tariffs that are in place right now, there was a retaliatory 25% tariff that the Canadian government is applying on a long, long list of US originating goods.

I mean goods that are made in the US And so quite simply, if you buy or want to buy something from the US and it's made in the US and it's on the list, there are things called HS codes.

And when you import export products to Canada and Mexico and the US, those HS codes fall into categories for specific goods.

And if your good is on the tariff list, the cost of that goes up by 25%.

So Canada Border Service Agency and the Canadian government applies at 25% surtax on the cost.

So you know, you you bring in something from the US that would normally after exchange rate cost you 1000 Canadian dollars while the tariff now increases that by $250.

So it's going to cost you $1250 instead of 1000.

And so, you know, in our industry, in the firearms, you know, outdoor gear industry, there are a lot of products that are impacted, obviously firearms, ammunition, but also a lot of soft goods like backpacks, clothing that is made in the US, knives, any of that.

So it's created what kind of a clusterfuck because people didn't know at the beginning is stuff impacted?

How does how does it supply?

How long is it going to last?

Is it going to last?

And it hasn't abated.

And you know, you're starting to see the impact, most notably on ammunition.

You know, we're getting people calling the store and they're kind of freaking out because they'll maybe have bought a couple of boxes or some box of ammo at our store.

They bought a gun system and they, people usually buy two or three boxes, right?

So then they, they get their gun and they're like, Oh, I better go out and see if there's any ammo.

So then they go to the local, you know, hardware store or whatever and they're, they call in a panic, like what kind of ammo did you sell me?

Right?

You're just like, well, it's Barnes ammo.

I mean, it's pretty common.

Like it's $149 here.

You're like, holy shit.

Well, that's the impact of the tariffs.

So at best, it's going to increase the cost of stuff that you want by 25%.

At worst, you know, you're not going to see it at all.

Because on the distributor side of the importer side, you know, there's just that uncertainty if you know, if these tariffs persist, OK, but you know, are you going to go?

And I mean, and I rolled those dice, you know, I've brought in this would be I think 4th.

We got the 4th pallet of Fierce rifles coming to us because Fierce has been very generous and John is very clever guy and he's, you know, he's found ways that they can absorb a chunk of the tariff so we don't have to increase the price of those guns by 25%.

They got to go up by a bit, but not 25%.

But I mean that the issue is like, let's say I'm like, OK, I'm going to bring in because gun works would be one of the highest ticket items that I bring in on a per diem basis and, and those are affected by tariffs.

Is that OK?

I'm going to bring in 10 gun works, which is normally what I do in a month, say, and all those guns have 25% additional cost.

So I did that.

And then let's say next month the terrorists dropped while I have all this inventory that's tainted, it has a 25% increase cost and that you don't get that back.

So you end up stuck in a place that you don't want to be.

And that's what's going on.

And so, you know, the phones ringing everyday and people are, oh, when are you going to get more Stone Glacier packs?

When are you going to get more Caferu packs or compared with this or compared with that or whatever?

And you're like, well, they're affected by the tariff.

So we can't bring it in right now because like a, you know, Stone Glacier pack here in Canada would jump from say, $950 to like just about 1300, right?

So.

That's substantial.

Is that?

Is that you guys the holding off at that point or is that like Stone Glacier or these companies because they know it's just a waste to ship ship them right now and they're kind of waiting it out or what's that looking?

Like, well, they would like to see, you know, they can't force you to take something.

I mean, but it's starting to dawn on them like, holy shit.

Like nobody's buying anything up there.

You know, I talked to one of my higher end gun manufacturers just today and he's like, holy shit, Homer, like we haven't sold a single thing into Canada since February and the year's almost half over.

What do we do here?

And I told him what to do.

But, you know, he can't do that.

Can't quite get away with that stuff.

But yeah, we just got to wait it out and see.

And, you know, not to ring any alarm bells.

I mean, I hope the tariff situation gets resolved one way or the other.

And tariffs are nothing new.

That's the other thing.

This is like tariffs are nothing new.

There have always been tariffs for like decades.

Like on every side, every country has some sort of tariff against some other country.

And that is to try to equalize and protect their their own markets.

Like, you know, a lot of people didn't realize that Canada has, I believe it's a 400% tariff on US dairy products that's been there for a very long time.

Then only, you know, people were like, oh, I didn't know we had tariffs on US dairy.

I'm like, yeah, that's why you don't see US cheese here.

That's why when you go across the border, you buy a, you know, a quart of milk or a gallon of milk, and it's so much cheaper.

So this stuff's always been around.

The concern is which ones are going to stay.

And with the Liberal government in power, they don't have any incentive to remove those tariffs from items that they consider to be bad, such as firearms and ammunition.

So that's one of the concerns that this is the new normal.

It just hasn't quite fucking sunk in yet.

And and even if it does sink in, you know, my like, honestly, my concern is for the, the consumer in the sport.

You know, how many people are going to go to the range every weekend and enjoy the firearm when ammunition is like 5 bucks a trigger pull?

Because that's kind of where it's getting so.

Buck, thanks for making me more depressed, man.

Yeah, you want to go jump off the fucking Fraser together?

Hey fuck, do it.

I'll come rescue you.

I don't want to be rescued, bro.

Doesn't matter, I'll still rescue.

Just fish me out and hope, OK?

Yeah, OK, Well, that's a kick in the Dick for normal people like us, that's for sure.

Well, for everybody involved, not just us, but.

Hey, I've been saying quite regularly in the last couple of months I'm like, bring on COVID.

Fuck, I would rather have COVID than this shit right now because COVID was like, you know, as much as hard, as fast as you can get her.

Like just let's go.

Yeah, right now is.

It's not like.

That yeah, opposite.

The kind of the opposite.

Yeah, yeah.

Well fuck, we're to go from here man.

We got we started at the bottom.

It's only good news from here on up, I hope.

Bad news.

First bad news first, Yeah.

Well, so obviously sales have probably been slower than normal because of the tariffs and the cost of everything and the cost of doing business and.

It's more work.

You're working harder for the same money right now.

Like, yeah, and that's kind of industry wide.

I mean, you know, things are like not all dour.

I mean, people are still doing things.

There's there's exciting new products, but it's just a little more tentative.

You know, there's a lot of economic pressure on people.

They're feeling that post COVID spending extravaganza that kind of went on.

You know, we've got higher people have to renegotiate their and renew their mortgages at higher rates or people like sized up in house during COVID and and they bought things and that's kind of being reflected now.

There's a lot of reasons for it, but it's just a bad time for it all to kind kind of come together.

Yeah.

It's like you went to the, you know, you went to a buffet and it just so happened that you got in line to the shit buffet.

Like every dish is shit.

And that's all you got.

And you got to, you're going to have to get through it, you know?

So through the through the winter and like show season and everything like now that we're off, now that we got that out of the way, let's give us a little rundown on Gary.

You guys have been really excited about a lot of chatter about.

Is there a few items out there right now that you can share with us?

Yeah, for sure.

So some of them aren't like new, new and some of them are, but there's definitely some stuff that just really has legs.

And, you know, we, we have a lot of success with and, and our customers just really enjoy and, and it's, it's, it's because they, I would say they deliver like a combination of things, you know, like performance and value, right?

Like you're getting a lot for your money when you buy them.

And, and that's always important to me.

I like to anyone that really deals with me knows that.

I mean, I'll kind of talk you into things that are more sensible rather than like top of the food chain.

You know, one of my favorite products just because I love the brand and I love the glass or the like AG of it Rs, like the new version of the G of it Rs.

We've sold so many of those because they offer like kind of destination glass.

I mean, you can be you can be like a fussy fucker and like constantly move up the ladder of like I need the newest new, you know, I had NL pure 10s.

Now they got twelves.

I want the twelves or they got fourteens.

I want the fourteens, you know, like you always got a trade upward, but for most people, this offers some of the very best glass you could ever hope to use.

And then it's got an awesome range Finder at an awesome price.

So they're like they're 2000 bucks, which isn't throw away money, but it's lifetime spend on that.

So that's a really good one.

Another one that we sorry.

Well, I was just going to ask like and well, we're talking vinyls a bit.

I keep hearing about like the image stabilized stuff.

Is that, have you guys been, I don't know, looking at it or do you sell it or do you have a few options?

Yeah, big time.

So I mean, my first exposure to image stabilization was Nikon when they were in the sports optics segment.

They had image stabilized range finders and they were popular initially, but the technology was a little, it just has wasn't properly developed, I'll say.

And so the problem with those things was there was a slight delay in the stabilization.

And so you're looking through them and, you know, your peripheral vision is kind of sensing how you're moving, but there was a slight delay in the stabilization and people would get Vertigo.

I don't know if you this has ever happened to you, but have you ever been in like in a parking lot?

You know, you're like looking at your phone or like when people would read a book or something, You're just like, your vehicle's parked and you're just like looking at something.

And then someone pulls out beside you and all of a sudden you're like, Oh my God, like what's going on, right?

Like it feels like you're traffic lights sometimes looking at my phone and then and then someone drives away and you're like Jesus, did I let my foot off the brake?

Yeah, pumping the brakes.

Oh my God.

So that's kind of what would happen.

But you know, that's so I was a little skeptical when Sig Sauer kind of announced.

These.

That's the one you hear a lot about.

Yeah, the Zulu binos so, but I, you know, I always, I'm an early adopter of their stuff, so and we're like one of their, I don't know what you call it.

We basically get one of everything.

And I was like, holy man, like not only is the unit kind of small, but like it works and their glass is really good.

So their newest version is the Zulu HDX.

And I mean, these guys really, I mean, I always rave about the range finders, but I mean, they're just, they're just nailing it.

I mean, there's such a big company now and they spend so much money on R&D.

They're able to like go to the best places.

Like they get good ideas and they're able to get stuff made properly.

So like these new Zulu HD XS, they're made somewhere in Japan.

It'll come to me Kamakura optics.

So you know, if things aren't made in like Portugal or Austria or Germany or the Czech Republic, you want them made in Japan.

That's where night forests and Leopold and Zeiss conquest stuff originates.

And that's where the glass for this stuff comes from.

So it's like low dispersion Ed glass.

It doesn't have any weird coloration.

Like anybody that's looked through like, you know, sig 10K, the original like 3K and 10K range Finder binos.

They had like a really sharp green cast.

And so they got kind of a, they got kind of a bad name.

These don't have any of that.

And, and they're, they're, I mean, they, they just work like we were playing with a pair of the 20 power.

So there are 20 power binocular that's stabilized and you can identify shit and if you understand.

Without a tripod, right?

Is that that's the big thing as I hear?

Yeah, totally.

Yeah.

So so they make a 12141618 and 20 power in a 42 or A50 objective.

The the 50 objective ones are called the pro.

So there's no difference in the glass between the non pro and the pro, just the pro has a bigger objective.

So they're kind of a beefy unit, right?

But yeah, man, like, I mean, shit, we got a, we got a big order of the pros in and a bunch of them went off to pre-orders.

And then Jackson put, he put a bunch on there and he like he literally put them on.

And then I was down working on some guns and Jack came down and like literally he just added them and within 3 or 4 minutes we sold a couple.

So how people see them that fast on the site is kind of a shock, but it's a good product for sure.

I would, I pack it in the mountains maybe, but I I've kind of, you know, depends what you're doing.

But for me mountain hunting, you know, I, I my range Finder by nose that I like and I like to tripod mount them because there's some distinct advantages to tripod mounting stuff while you're in that environment.

But anyway.

What is it just a battery then?

Like is it just, is that how those those stabilizers work?

Like you gotta have?

OK, yeah, I figured it was electronic.

I just, I've never never seen a pair, never really looked into it.

Just keep hearing about it.

Yeah, they're, they're pretty cool.

Yeah, for sure.

Like, and again, I was really skeptical of them for a lot of good reasons.

Yeah, OK.

What else you got?

You were going on to something else and I cut you off.

Well, actually there's a scope that I'm couple scopes, that one in particular that I've been kind of going on about for since it came out.

And that's like over a year now.

And and Kurt, you actually got to shoot 1 today, Kurt.

Was like the reason?

Should I recite it again?

See if my memory is good.

What was the scope that you shot Kurt?

The Burris of veracity, PH3 to 15.

Yeah, initially you called it the Burris Veracity HP Sauce We.

Had to do a few takes on that video but.

So why don't you?

So what, what was that?

OK, so let's let's do it this way.

So you didn't know you were going to get behind that scope.

I just had it on A7 Backcountry that I wanted you to try.

So just explain.

Just explain what you experienced with that scope.

So Omer handed a gun in front of me.

It was fierce Rogue, no stranger to that gun at all.

And he said, OK, sit down, look through it, get your focus how you want it.

So we're shooting at the 5540 gong for 535, whatever it is.

And he's like, OK, now dial your turret.

So as I'm looking through the scope and I'm dialing the turret as you dial it, there's a yardage indicator, the top of your optical field.

I guess you would see field of view and as you're dialing it, it's going yardage as you're going up.

So you don't have to pull up, look at your yardage.

You're looking through the scope, dialing your yardage to whatever Omer's telling me to dial it to.

And then he's like, OK, you see the thing in the middle there, It's your anti can't.

And then I'm like, I don't know.

I'm like, OK, so then I can't it one way.

Boom.

You see the little dots come out to one side, come out to the other side.

I mean, you get it perfectly level, you're sitting inside that perfect, almost like a level bubble.

And then he's like, OK, pull the trigger, just centre punch.

I was like, all right, that's pretty fucking cool.

Like it's like I know the burst they've done like the range finding scopes back in the day and and what not.

They've always kind of been like ahead of their game with that kind of stuff.

Yeah, the eliminators.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But they were fucking God ugly and they were heavy as fuck.

Yeah, they were, yeah.

Right.

And like this thing man was not any bigger than a normal scope and the gun wasn't heavy.

Like what do you say?

The difference between that and the Zeiss was that.

Wasn't very much.

Yeah.

So that gun is right around 8 lbs.

Yeah.

And the other one that you shot was 7 lbs thirteen ounces.

So you're not, you know, they've, they've stepped it up to a whole nother level with a whole bunch of gadgets in it, but it's way lighter than what they used to be.

Well, I mean, that's the whole thing.

So when I was kind of touting the scope, because when I saw the specs for it, when it was like, you know, when it was explained to me what they were coming out with, I knew immediately what it was.

Because we've been playing with the Gunworks version of that, which is called the Gunworks PMR, the Revic PMR Smart scope, which does the same thing.

And when they told me the price point, I was like, OK, well, what's a glass going to look like?

Like recycled Coca-Cola bottoms, Like, what the fuck, right?

So we got one and and then you know how Garrick is junk.

Hates everything I wouldn't.

Why don't you just carry?

You know what brand I'm like, easy now easy.

So then someone in town here wanted a gun.

Works like a really nice Nexus.

And so I was talking to his brother and I said, well, I know what optic I want to put on there because we need something real simple for this guy.

So I programmed it and I got him on the dope for it, kind of showed him what to do it.

So we we and and Garrick was told against it.

He's like, don't put that on there.

God, right.

So anyway, not to poo poo him so much, but like, you know, he's skeptical of things and which is a good kind of attitude to have.

And then unfortunately that that brand, like Burris is not known for premium like anything traditionally, you know, it's kind of relegated.

There's bigotry in the in the optics world, you know, like Bushnell Burst.

Yeah, you know, like people.

Vortex, vortex, vortex.

So anyway, I sent him to the range with that thing and he comes back and he's just like, it's OK, it's OK, right?

Well, I mean, So what it does is it has a digital display and you program it via Bluetooth.

What's up?

Well, there's one fuck you and overtime power.

Play.

I was going to put it on on my phone.

That's funny you were watching it.

Leon dry side.

Fucking right.

Sorry to interrupt you, but it's important.

It's a big deal.

OK are.

You OK?

You need to.

Open that up.

I'm not depressed anymore from the government talk.

All right, I'm good.

So anyway, this the scope you basically you program it from your phone.

Once you program it, it's like having your yardage turret inside the field of view along with your anti can't and your wind hold.

They have a really well designed first focal plane reticle that's easy to see and illuminated.

So everything is there.

You know, your wind hold, your anti can't and your effective yardage.

The glass is actually quite, it's surprisingly good and the parallax is responsive and they're not heavy.

They're like, you know, they're 2627 oz 28 ounces, right in the ballpark of like a night force NX8.

So and they work.

And what I really like about them is that it lets people take a longer shot ethically, but also, you know, it makes it fun.

Like it actually makes it a lot funner for people.

I've put these on.

You know, I get these people that that call and they want a long range rig actually maybe don't understand some of the some of the basic principles of how to set up a turret or anything like that.

I set it up for them.

We set it up for them with their respective ammo and they have a lot of fun.

And another area that they're finding frequent uses on precision rim fires.

We do a lot of those.

So you take that.

We're we're doing a couple this weekend.

I mean, you, you program it for your rim fire ammo and these guys are shooting to 300 meters with their rim fires, which if that, I mean, that's remarkable.

That's a long effing way with a rim fire.

But that's, you know, precision rim fire.

That's how far you go.

So anyway, awesome products.

Like anyone that's kind of looking at them like don't hesitate.

They I, I've got guys that they're like, yeah, OK, Omar, I'll try one, right.

And then next thing you know, like we're switching all their guns over to these scopes.

How new?

How new is this?

Like these scopes.

You came out 2020, end of 2023.

OK.

So it's been a few years now durability wise, those types of things.

You have no issues there.

The the main complaint with the pH is they use two fairly expensive watch batteries.

Oh, OK.

And.

I just think like digital, you know, mountain hunting, sheep hunting, I mean, we're falling on our guns.

We're getting them soaked.

Like there's just so much that goes into it.

And I have to ask the question analogs first things you think about?

Analog is always better because there's there's fewer things to fail.

But I will say this, it still has, it's still operate.

OK, Yeah.

So I'm just assuming people understand this stuff.

So, you know, if you're looking at these types of scopes, like the, the burst Eliminator has a range Finder in it.

And when you range the target, it ballistically calibrates a holdover dot, right?

So then you hold up on it.

If the battery dies, you have a very expensive Plex reticle.

Same with the Swarovski DS.

If the battery dies in your Swarovski DS, you have a $6500 Plex reticle with no and you have no turrets, right?

This scope it has, it has an exposed elevation turret and so you are dialing elevation and holding center on the reticle.

So you could always make a backup dope sheet and then put it on.

Yeah, it's not just, yeah, just like you do normally.

And if your batteries died, you just you just dial the turret like you would normally, right.

So that's that's the crux of what it does.

So that one when they're.

Reasonable they're under 2 grand.

They're they range from like 15 to 1800 dollars.

So Kurt shot A-15 power.

Did they have higher mag?

In the pH they have a 4 to 20, they have a 2.4 to 12, three to 15 and a four to 20.

And they have another line called the PS.

It's in their XTR line.

They have a 3 1/2 to 18 and a 5 1/2 to 30.

Yeah, they should name that HP though sounds.

Pretty the the Burris Racity HP sauce.

Sauce.

The.

Sauce.

That's why.

I was, I was impressed with it, you know, and I there was one of those guys where it was like Burris was in the same.

It was maybe a step above the the Bushnell, you know, whatever the 2500, but I can't remember the the elites.

Yeah, those ones, right, you know, But for me, it was like what those old ones looked like.

Yeah, like that thing looked like a fucking black Dong on top of a fucking rifle.

Like it was goofy as fuck, man.

We were.

We talked about those race bike helmets that are all swayed back, Dev.

That's what those scopes used to look.

Like I remember they were, they didn't have any shape.

They're just like a big weird cylindrical thing, those eliminators.

Like a big black Dong, no veins.

But the Dong later, yeah, there.

You go.

So you know, I was and like until you told me that was a Burris, like you could have handed me that gun and I probably wouldn't have noticed where every other Burris scope I've looked at look, they all looked odd compared to every other scope.

Yeah, I mean, they've really elevated their product.

I have 0 reservations recommending them.

And this is like someone who, you know, I consider myself to be kind of a snob when it comes to optics.

I mean, and I got no hang ups with with with any part of it actually, yeah.

Good.

Now another thing that has really kind of it just keeps ramping up over and over and over again.

We sell more and more and more of them.

And I think you guys have been playing with them.

You guys have them.

I believe they're they're the Zeiss thermal monoculars, thermal energy monoculars.

They got one sent to us.

They're to just play around with.

They're fucking cool, man.

Like super super.

Yeah, I'm not like the only time I've looked at anything similar to that was when our cousin Bob, he like ex Navy SEAL, he brought his fucking night vision his nods up.

Yeah, and that was that's a whole nother level of illegal as fucking super awesome.

But yeah, it's it's obviously not quite that did.

That result in a few restraining orders for you or something?

Yeah.

Well, he's probably not allowed back in the country.

Maybe.

I'm talking to you talking.

To you looking through.

Me, I didn't.

I didn't get to keep him, so I don't know.

But yeah, that thing was super cool, man.

I was impressed with that.

Yeah, it's for, for what they, I mean, they've become more and more reasonable, but, you know, people both either call or if they pop in, if they pop in and want to see one, it's a sale.

Yeah, OK.

Like once they start playing with it, there's like, what?

Like, holy shit.

And like in the fourth, they realize, I mean, The funny thing about a thermal is people kind of, you know, you can do things.

And they realize, like, oh man, this thing's totally useful during the day, too.

Oh yeah.

Like stuff just pops out.

And I mean, the uses for them are, I mean, some of them are comical, but you know, they're actually quite practical.

Like, you know, during the winter time, just go outside, walk around your house.

You'll see where you're losing heat for sure.

You'd see exactly where you know, there's loss of efficiency in your house, home security or business security.

Like I've got 1 and my alarm goes off at the the one store quite frequently.

So I, you know, I'm there in a couple minutes, like bang, I'm zipping around checking the tree line and stuff.

If there's like a shit rat in there, I'll see him.

He can't hide from these things.

I would think farmers calving season would be sick.

Yeah, big time.

So there's, I mean, you know, true story.

So there's a lovely couple.

They get a really nice rural property, big farm, lots of animals, varied animals.

And a cougar came in in the middle of the night and took one of their dogs.

And, like, these are folks that don't even have, like, a firearm, really.

And so he came in first, and we chatted for a while.

He was just curious about them, wanted to know lots about them because he was looking online.

You can find, you know, cheaper versions of anything on Amazon.

And he was concerned about warranty and support.

And I said, oh, yeah, don't worry, It's as ice.

Like, you know, I stand behind it.

And then the distributors in Canada, they stand behind it.

And then his spouse came in and then she had a bunch of questions and I just showed her and she's just like, holy shit.

Like, you know, took her outside and she's looking down the highway like 1000 yards.

And she could see people down at the store, this other store outside, 1000 yards away.

And so it gives them a lot of Peace of Mind.

You know, when the dogs get excited, they can just pop outside any time of day, especially at night, and they can see if there's something out there and then they can take action, right?

So I mean, that's it's, it's a it's a cool thing.

You know, our uses here in British Columbia in the hunting space are obviously limited, but there there are, I mean, there's nothing to stop you from using it, you know, when you're scouting outside of the season or, you know, for various personal reasons, but they're also very affordable now, like they're, they used to be like, Oh my God, I remember I used to bring in a brand from the US and a mutual friend of ours, Jay, he wanted one of the worst one.

They were like 8 grand and you know, it ended up being worth it for him because you could use them when you're hunting both, both from, you know, scouting and like a personal safety perspective.

But now they're like 2 grand.

They're like 1999.

So again, not throwing money, but very, very affordable really when you're looking for something like that.

So that's another cool item that really has taken off.

Yeah, they're, they're very limited to what you can like for hunting, you can't use them but for scouting, but I use it at work while I don't have any more but finding hotspots and electrical equipment.

We do that every year, right.

So we have a contractor comes in and he comes and has a scanner, scans every single bucket in the entire mill, like there's thousands of them.

So I was like, fuck, I wonder if this thing will do it, man.

It, it picks up hotspots like it's just, you know, the different shades of color right when you pick it up.

So it's it's fucking cool, man.

And like when I first got it, I went out to my property and it was middle of the day.

Fuck, it was, I don't even know what it was.

August maybe.

And there was a coyote, probably like 550 in the middle of the fucking August sun in a hay field.

And I could see his head open up.

And then he took off running.

And I was like, fuck, I wonder if I can see this thing pop up.

Fuck, no shit, man.

I was just like, well, there he is.

You couldn't even see him.

But I could see him in the fucking scope and I could see him run.

And then he'd stop and look back and he'd pull it away, disappears, put it back there he is.

And like, mother fuck, this thing is deadly.

Yeah, so.

And for, for personal protection too, like in your home or anything like that.

Man, for sure.

There's a reason why the Seals work at night, man, that that technology is fucking, you know, it's a next level.

It's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, I agree.

Like when our, I mean, I got a couple dogs and that we're on property here and you just never know when some shit rat is trying to get into your shop or something like that, right these these days.

And when the dogs get really riled up by, you know, just flicking on, going on the deck and like have a look, you know, and no takers so far.

It's usually just a fox or a deer.

But yeah.

Some shit rats going to get a rubber blunt in the ass one day, so to speak.

Yeah, yeah, allegedly.

Hypothetically, you were mentioned earlier that there was some new offerings with Crispy.

Can you tell us about those?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, you know, here's another product that I personally really dig.

My experience with boots has been, like, utterly painful until I discovered a brand that didn't destroy my toenails because I have.

What did someone say?

I was wearing was at a barbecue.

And this guy, he's always lit up.

And I mean, I got big feet, OK?

I'm not a fucking foot model, OK?

They're big.

I got long toes, You know, maybe one of my nails is slightly discolored.

I don't know.

I don't really pay attention.

But he sure did.

And so we're sitting there, you know, just all sitting around by a fire, you know?

But it was like the fire wasn't lit yet.

It was Steve Murden.

I don't know if you remember Steve Murden.

I've ever Steve.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, he looks over, He's just like, holy shit, your feet are hideous.

Look good on you, though.

Then he starts laughing.

He's like, those look like they belong hanging out of a nest.

What do you need?

A fucking farrier?

Like he's going on and on and on.

So, you know, I got big ugly feet.

I get it.

And then I've discovered a boot that worked well.

So when I took on Crispy, I mean, I kind of got headlocked into taking Crispy by Aaron Schneider and and I thank them for it because it's a wonderful brand.

But there's there's two models this year that we got that like people are really digging and that's the the the bricks.

So the bricks stalls like their their go to hunting kind of subclass.

Like there are many models of brick stalls.

But this brick stall mountain people really love because one of the issues with some of their mountain boots is that they're like, you know, they're like a diamond Dick hardness of four or five, right, which are like fucking that is like super stiff.

So it's great when you're in, you know, incline, but not so good when you're walking around on flattish land, right?

Like it's kind of you feel like you're in a ski boot.

So these are these are a stiffness Level 3.

So you know, stiff, but not like I'm going to pop my jeans stiff, right?

Like you can, you can, it's got ankle support and it's it's got enough of a shelf that you can make it up an incline.

So you can take it sheep hunting, but then you can go, you can hunt any flat land.

It's not going to hurt your foot, right.

And the Lapania threes.

So I mean, that's, that's a boot that I, again, sometimes I'm prejudice.

So I'm like, God, that doesn't look interesting to me.

So the first couple of rounds I didn't bring many of the Lapanias in, but people are always like, are you going to get any Lapanias in?

And I'm like, holy shit, like this is like Rocky movie boot, like Lapania 3 already, you know, like what's this one about?

But they just keep making them better and better.

They're lighter, more breathable.

It's like a a stiffness level of two.

So, you know, you want to go for a walk with the dog and the old lady, no problem.

You want to take it spring bear hunting, no problem.

You want to go early fall, you know, like elk, deer hunting, no problem.

So it's it's an incredibly popular boot, kind of a hybrid boot where you can, you know, just like a wear around hiker boot and then you can hunt with it.

And they're again, super light and breathable.

So that one's been a bit of a surprise to me just because in my square head I'm like, everything must be a mountain boot.

You know, my fucking ankle cannot move.

Like I need to be able to go up the mountains of Stuart in a boot, right.

Well, that's not for everybody, obviously.

Thank thankfully.

Yeah, I've I've got the Brixtall SFS years ago and like that's the stiffest one they got.

You got them before they were cool.

That's great.

I don't know, I don't think so, but man like they were, they were stiff but comfy trap stuff, but they were comfy out-of-the-box.

And like the first break in that they did was elk hunting with Devin and we put him through the wringer for like 7 days and I get got a little bit of lace bite in them but only because I was lacing them up wrong for what we were doing.

Now man like it doesn't matter if I'm working on the truck like those, I throw those boots on fuck four times a week just for doing shit around the house.

Like they're my comfiest favorite boot I own by by a country mop.

Yeah, that's the guy.

Walking around the neighborhood.

Yeah, yeah.

They don't need to be broken in per SE, and they fit true to size.

So the crispy Rep Scott, great guy, he stopped in for an hour and a half and I think we talked about Boots for 5 minutes and we talked about everything else.

But you know, you don't need to break those boots in and they fit true to size.

So if you're a size 10 1/2, then you buy a size 10 1/2 and then you wear like a medium hiker.

If you don't wear like a thick, you know, grab a gas off wool sock, you know, it's like 3 inches thick.

It's actually still a live sheep, you know made it yourself.

You wear you, you wear like a medium hiker and then you, you go to town and you know, their boots are again, I'm biased because I sell them, but I sell them because they're fucking awesome.

I wear the Ativas.

I have 3 pairs of Ativas that I fuck I wear non-stop.

And you always got those on when you're at.

Is that like a runner?

Is that like that runner they have or whatever?

Yeah, yeah.

And they got a mid length, so a mid height.

So I've got two of the mids and then one of the and and and G wears his all the.

Time that's the 1G had on.

I think it's the sheep show and I'm like, what are those?

I'm like, you got that fucking feet and loosen up the laces, OK?

That's all it is.

That's all it is.

OK, that's a lot of weight coming down on them shoes.

Oh, you.

Shit, those poor shoes.

OK Oh my God, those poor feet and those poor shoes.

What, are we going to put a Gibson go for his feet?

Hey, anyway, maybe maybe we can.

Maybe we can afford his feet to get him like a a Rascal or something.

Set him for a pedicure.

What did you end up getting Dev?

Did you get the same boots again?

Yeah, I went with the mountain SF just you know, I needed a new the new model, you know that last year's model I you know I put too many kilometers on and and I needed a new one.

Fuck.

But it was very cool.

I've been wearing them all spring.

I did 12 kilometers yeah, I did 12 kilometers the other day with them with Pat with a backpack on and they're great.

I don't have any hotspots starting They do need to break in a little bit still just the uppers.

I like a little more flex, so I'm waiting for that to kind of break in a bit, but.

Maybe you need to.

Maybe you need to exercise better lacing technique.

Well, that's probably the case.

I was playing a little bit around with that too, so.

Yeah, there's actually a lot to that.

A lot of people don't, you know, you were just, you're just used to fucking lacing your shoes up.

Hoc hockey skates just go.

But with technical boots, there are different ways to lace them to do different things like you know you might have.

You may need to adjust like the mid lacing so that it doesn't lock in your ankle.

That's probably what you're feeling.

And then there's honestly, there are times where you may want to change how they're laced.

Like if you're doing a long ascent and then you kill something and you're coming down some treacherous shit, you'd probably want to lock your toe and your ankle in so they don't fucking move.

It's not going to be comfortable, but you don't want your feet sliding when you're got 80 or 90 or 100 lbs on your back and you're coming down, you know?

Yeah, I have deep stuff.

I had a pretty decent descent on this hike and I tried that lacing method like it's supposed to lock your heel the way you loop under and then tighten it.

And I don't know, felt pretty good.

I didn't have, like I said, no hot spots, but my feet definitely aren't aren't mountain ready.

Like that's the one thing I could tell.

They were just tired.

Like at the end I was like, all right, 12 kilometers, 50 lbs.

I'm like, I got to do this again before the fall.

You got to work on them Hobbit feet, man.

You got to get those Frodo Baggins feet going.

Walk around barefoot, toughen them up, Yeah.

G and I were we ran into these two guys up some river when we were sheep hunting and we just had kind of a hairy ride down the river.

And then these guys pulled in.

And anyway, it was cold.

It was like late September.

But by the time they rolled up, Garrick and I had already destroyed almost a bottle of whiskey.

And then we dove into another ball and 1/2 with those guys.

And so it ended up stretching out to be almost like a fucking 5 hour, like standing in our boats bullshitting, you know?

And so they're both of those guys were kind of shivering.

Garrick never shivers.

OK?

Like the worst.

It's like -30 And Garrick's like in his T-shirt, he's like, I better put on a jacket, right?

And put a jacket on, right?

But I stood there in my bare feet in the hull of the boat.

And like the one guy, to this day I run into people that have talked to this is like you're the guy that they met on such and such river.

Like, yeah, yeah, fuck.

He kept talking about your feet, how you just stood there for like 5 hours.

It was like fucking freezing.

You just stood there with these giant ugly feet.

OK, anyway.

That's funny.

Well, what else you got?

I know there's more on your mind for gear.

I want to we're going to dive into the the seven mil Backcountry.

So I'm just holding off on that.

So let's finish off before we go down that fucking path.

Kurt's got to get some, he's got to lay down some newspaper and stuff before we talk about that.

But actually something else that's really exciting that I'm sure you guys are are loving is the AZAC stuff.

Yeah.

I mean, it's kind of interesting because a friend of mine fell in love with their stuff and he told me about it.

And so I reached out to Rydell at that time and he didn't have a dealer program because he was really just starting getting off the ground and he was direct selling and he only had enough to direct sell.

He wanted to make sure that he had it like, you know, and I get it.

Last thing he wants to do is like sell out and not have it and have someone else have it.

So, but anyway, he reached out to us and I jumped on it.

And you know, I, I really dig.

I mean, I'm old enough to, I'm young enough to never of, you know, haunted stone sheep in cowboy boots and, and Levi's and, you know, like a, a genuine kind of tassel jacket.

But I'm old enough to remember when we didn't have all the good gear, and then you started seeing cool shit pop out like Sitka.

I remember getting the very first Sitka, and that was a guy that, you know, had a passion for archery hunting and wanted gear that was good for us, right?

You know, Jason Harrison and Jonathan Hart, I mean, those guys were just full of passion for what they did.

And then, you know, then that gave life to Kuyu later on.

So I mean, that's kind of how I look at this stuff.

Like this is a guy who Rydell's a guy who he's a smart guy.

He's an engineer and he loves the Backcountry and like fishing and hunting and viewing and glassing and enjoying nature.

And so he's turned that into gear that's really good in those environments versus what most, most of what we see is somebody loves money and they figure out how to make a product that you might buy.

So anybody that's handled the Aziac tripods and accessories and the heads, you know that they know it's just made better and clever, you know, little things like the triangular center post rather than just a Round 1.

So it just adds to more rigidity, like when you're extending the stem to view and just how smooth the clasps are and even how smooth the carbon fiber feels, you know, and they're super light, really tough.

The controls on the heads are, again, very tactile, delicate, but tough at the same time.

So I know you guys are rocking that this season.

And that's pretty much, you know, that's what we're going to bring on our hunts.

Yeah, I, I asked you about the because I I knew I wanted to get a tripod for this year and I talked to you and I looked at a bunch, but it's, it's funny, I don't like to admit this, but I actually listened to Mindless's review between outdoorsmen.

Mindless Jay.

Oh, Nickel.

Yeah.

OK, Mind.

Sorry, Mindful ANYWAYS, and he kind of broke.

He's.

Got good content.

He does.

You know what?

And I told Devin I'm like, you know what I actually listened to or I watch his YouTube video on it and his breakdown between that and the outdoorsman carbon fiber.

And he actually did a very well job.

So kudos to him.

And it intrigued me to look at it deeper.

So then when I opened up the boxes of all three at your place there, I was like, yeah, the front country is that's what I'm looking for.

You know, I want something that I it's big enough I can shoot off of, is still super light, it's still fairly compact.

But that ball head on it, when you watch the breakdown on it, man, like he's just the fit and finish and the fine tuning that you can do on it and the little things he's added is something that you're not getting from other companies.

It's either you're getting, you want a ball head, here's a ball head that's exactly the same as every other fucking ball head.

You know, it might be a little bit smoother, a little rougher depending on how much you're spending.

But like this thing is everything of that and some.

So the design features that he's created on that are it definitely sets it apart in my mind.

And that the tripod's the same thing like the little engine, just the little details is what puts that tripod above, you know, the ones I've compared it to.

I haven't looked at all the tripods in the market, obviously, but like just the simple details of how easy it is to operate, how easy it is to take apart, what you can do with it and why.

And he, he watches videos and explains why he did something.

That's what I like because the guy that's engineered it designed it is doing the video of why he designed it this way.

If he watches, you know, his IG page and I think there's some on YouTube too.

So I, I really like that and I, you know, it seems like a great guy too.

So the other.

Important thing for me is that his prices are.

Excellent.

That was exactly like when Kurt said to start looking at it.

I looked at him like, dude, what the fuck?

If these are good, that's crazy.

Yeah, like it again.

Like people will call and they'll be like, yeah, I'm looking for, you know, looking for tripod and this and that.

And I'm like, well, have a look at Isaac.

Oh, how much I'm like, just have a look.

And they're like, oh, wow, that's OK.

I was expecting, you know, these are our brands like get so and really writes, you know, there's that are very expensive, like $1000 for outdoorsman by the time you get 1 here, Holy schnikeys like they are super expensive.

They're.

Like 1800 US, aren't they I?

Know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like my buddy Cole, he got the full meal deal and not things like 3000 bucks Canadian by the time it's all by the time the smoke clears and even more now, because if if it's stamped made in the US of A, you're going to take it in the you know what, right.

In the sixth wife, Creedmoor.

In the 6th, yeah.

So his stuff is fantastic.

His his his Bino adapters are very clever and minimalist.

And yeah, they're just like a clamp ring, right?

Yeah, exactly.

It's like a big cock ring that goes around one of the.

I said clamp.

Oh, oh, oh, I got to get new headphones here, sorry.

But I mean, basically they work like that.

They go.

No, you're not wrong if you're going.

To paint the.

Picture of the mount.

You know, we, we could just, you know, size and shape for sure it's.

Like a large ring that goes around the circumference of the barrel, clamps onto it, keeps it steady, really good because like a lot of bino cradles are pretty big, like they're quite bulky.

They weigh like a ## and a half, whereas these are like a ring that just goes around 1 barrel.

You know, some binos are awesome, they have like a stand that will screw into the bridge, but a lot of vinos don't have that.

And so this is a excellent solution if you want to tripod mount your Vinos, but you know you're only bringing a few oz with you into the Backcountry to do that.

So.

Yeah.

And I mean, to date, we have not.

You know, people ask me about the warranty and I'm like, what's?

It's effing awesome.

But I've never had to use it so far.

Yeah, like nobody's had a problem with their gear.

So yeah, we'll see.

I mean, but I mean, just talking to Rydell, he's like, you know, he just absolutely committed to what he's doing and he's just an OBS guy to deal with.

So, you know, big props to to him and and that stuff.

Yeah.

What?

Anything else on gear that's new and exciting?

Yeah.

I mean, one other thing that's kind of a, I mean it's kind of a big deal, it's kind of super overdue is the new Swarovski Z5 plus scopes.

I'm not going to linger on them too much, but anybody that loves Swarovski, you know, loves their scopes, they understand now given the propensity that all of our rigs need to be 1000 yard rigs.

Well, the Z3Z5, even the Z6 rifle scopes, you struggle to get enough adjustment to get that far.

Well, the new zed 5 plus scope, it's it's really a completely different scope.

It's got a 30 mil tube.

It has a 2 revolution turret, so it gives you 40 mil 40 MOA of adjustment, which will get you like super far better glass like better everything and they're not ridiculously priced.

So those have been a huge hit.

So you know, guys, they're they're very Swarovski is a brand that has intense loyalty and it caused, you know, people some distress when they couldn't get 1000 yard rig put together with their favorite scope.

But now they can do that.

So we're constantly getting wiped clean of those and putting them on a lot of rigs going out the door.

So that's huge.

But I think one of the more exciting things to talk about kind of a double edged a double ender.

This is the big double ender for the show is the so one one of the one of the best guns come around a long time is the fierce twisted rogue.

So that's kind of the the entry level gun for fierce.

Now that is a stainless steel action, stainless fluted barreled rifle in the rogue series.

And I I like I love it again, because those barrels are a thicker profile barrel that have deep spiral flutes.

So they've sucked a lot of the weight out of it, but it's very rigid and the price point.

So we were originally hoping for like a very aggressive price point.

When I was talking to John, we were hoping around 2250, right.

But the tariffs have and the exchange rate have kind of thrown a wrench in that.

So there are $2500 and what you get is, you know, a modern carbon fiber stocked modern production rifle with all the cool calibers, all the latest calibers and like all the variable barrel lengths, like 18, 2020, 224 inches, comes with a side baffle break.

They're relatively light and they shoot like a hot dam, which Kurt can attest to because I was bugging them all.

I've been bugging them for a bit and he's been giving me lots of lame excuses.

But he was busting my balls this morning about not being in the gym there to watch him do whatever gay exercises he was doing.

I was at home doing real man.

Or like, barbell, dumbbell stuff, body weight shit, you know.

And so I was like, OK, motherfucker, Like, exactly.

I was like, OK, motherfucker, you're going to come to the range this afternoon then and do some shooting.

So there was all kinds of excuses.

There was like deluges of excuses like, oh, I got to, I got to clean up around the house and then I got to go to work and then I got to be home by this time and I couldn't understand what it was, but I was like, look, if I can't go in the morning, then we'll go in the afternoon.

So then I kind of pinned him to a time and he showed up.

Surprisingly, he actually showed up ready to shoot.

So, and I'm, I'm being facetious.

I was really wanting him to because we've been talking about the new caliber that came out, you know, this year, the one that everyone's excited about, and that's the 2025mm elbows up, which fucking sucks.

But the seven of them.

Backcountry is pretty awesome.

And I've been shooting it and Garrick's been shooting it because ammo has been really sparse, right?

Which has been frustrating.

But Curtis got to shoot a couple of different setups and, well, I'll let Curtis talk about it because it's actually pretty fucking amazing.

Yeah, so they get.

Let's start at the beginning here.

Omer didn't show up at the gym this morning, so I did typical, you know, chest bys and tries and shoulders.

You know what else is there?

What else is there other than, you know, leg day, I guess, which is.

Yeah.

So I was giving him grief there and then.

Anyways, I had to get my nine holes in with my daughter today.

So I threw the 11 month old in the wagon and we golf men's night in the early afternoon.

So I had to do a rush that I had to rush home, pound out dinner, get the kids ready and then I ripped out to the range.

I got like, good thing there was no cops on the way out there 'cause I was clipping.

But yeah, I was excited.

Man, you've been you.

Back to the non alcoholic bourbon.

Pour pouring another one.

Yeah, don't drink.

Easy there.

Don't drink too much, bud.

But yeah, so I, I wanted to take the the Mount Reaper out as well.

I haven't shot that since last winter.

So, you know, I've took that out there while Garrick and Jackson were, or Homer and Jackson were dialing in those guns and he's like, all right, they're ready for you.

I'm like, OK, whatever.

Fucking just another gun.

And it's funny, 'cause when Devin was up last, like I wanted to see what the 65 or fuck, I don't know why I keep saying 65.

Jesus.

Because you love.

It so much I want to see what the fucking background it's your.

Spirit animal and it matches your tattoo above your butt crack.

Hey, virgin canvas buddy, no tattoos.

So anyways, when you pulled that bullet out-of-the-box and put it next to the seven, PRCI kind of laughed.

I'm like that thing looks like a a very unimpressive fucking bullet.

You know, it looked like a three O 8 kind of I don't know what or it.

Was finally 70.

What it was, it was finally your opportunity to say, man, that thing doesn't look very big.

Yeah, but it packs a punch, right?

But so anyways, we heard all the talk about about the Backcountry and he's like, well, you've been you've been preaching it for a while now.

You know the two days a week he does go to the.

Gym every fucking street corner holding up a box of ammo.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

So I took a crack at it.

I jumped straight in, went out to the the 535 Homer's like, and that's, you know, the first one was with the the Burris.

The Burris.

Yeah.

And he's like showed me the scope, whatever dialed in.

Boom, centre punch a plate and he's just like no recoil, eh, and I'm kind of like yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah and then bang again.

Then like I took three shots of that gun and I took three shots with the other one with the the twist and then I and I was just shooting my 7 PRC with the Knicks break.

So I was like, you're right, other than the read, like it was louder.

Like there's a lot of fucking pressure coming out of the barrel.

Yeah, but no kick, you know, and like jumping on a gun you've never shot before, Calgary never shot before.

And just to be able to sit there and, you know, center punch a fucking 1212 by 12 plate, like just boom, boom, boom at that.

Like that's not extreme distance, but it's longer than normal distance for normal shooters.

I would.

Say wager there's more because you were like, you know, you were under pressure.

You're like you're looking at your watch and stuff and you're like, you're going to get grounded if you're late.

And like, I was like, OK, well, fuck it, let's go next door.

So our new like 800, well, 780 yard range is now open.

So we fucking beeline over there and, well, I mean, what happened next?

So next, yes, it's all lined up 780 Jackson's on the the vinyls, Omer's on the spotter.

It's like Kate, you ready?

And, and they're recording by the way, too, so I'm under pressure.

Because I press time.

Limit 2 they're recording through the phone scope or the the old one and I'm like, all right, well, 780 Omer dopes the gun up for me just because he had the ballistic chart sit there and fucking pow paint.

What's that plate size?

10 inch.

10 by 1010 by yeah, it's 10 by probably 12 or something like that.

Boom, pow.

And I was like, oh, that was probably a fluke.

Like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not bragging.

I'm not a fucking phenomenal shot.

I can kill shit, but I'm not like a fucking hole in hole kind of constant shooter.

Fucking rack another one.

Pow.

How many inches higher than that?

Like 4/2.

30 is it that close and that but it's.

Pretty close.

Yeah, two inches higher, you know, and I was pretty dead on this level with the center.

Fucking throw another in there.

Pow.

Another couple inches higher.

So about a 7 inch group at 780.

Yeah, it.

Was a sub sub ammo sub ammo way three shot group cold bore gun that you had only just shot.

Like.

Next door.

And I mean, I was honestly, I was genuinely impressed that he went for three for three, because it was fucking windy too.

Well, the conditions were.

Garbage.

They were bad.

You guys sent me the video and that wind flag sitting there and then I heard you say like, oh, winds, winds holding pretty good.

And then it picked up like a slight right to left and then Kurt's shots were dead fucking right to left, like they were Bang Bang, bang in a line.

So I'm like, oh, I bet you he's holding just half of the target or something.

Or maybe you were holding right edge or something.

But it.

It's out of the right on, man.

Yeah, it was.

It was pretty wild.

So I mean, here's the business about the Backcountry.

Why?

I'm actually a huge proponent for it and I've never been a velocity guy.

Right.

You hate it.

You know what?

Yeah, I know.

We'll get into that in a SEC.

So, you know, pretty used to calibers being announced hitting the market and then, you know, the, you know, the Tinder picture just does not represent reality.

Not that I've been through that, but I've been told like the velocity on the box, you're like, what the fuck?

It says 3200 feet per second and it's like, you know, 2850 or something, right?

So not to malign the seven MMM PRC and there's a lot of there's a this whole separate podcast why we're seeing slower velocities.

But to give you comparison, I had just finished setting up a 20 inch 7 MMM PRC and it shot the 175 ELDXMO at barely 2700 feet per second, like just barely OK.

And the 20 inch the both 20 inch 7MM back countries that you shot where like 1 was shooting the 168 at like 3070 and the 175 Fusion tipped at 3022.

So it's delivering the velocities, they are delivering very respectable accuracy.

Like so that it's interesting to state this, but the gun that you shot, the Twisted rogue is the early bird Wild Sheep Society of BC rifle raffle, Magnificent 7 Rides again rifle.

So that gun is incredibly accurate and you're pulling the trigger knowing that you're going to fucking smoke something at 1000 yards reliably with that gun.

That's not overstated.

It's an exceptionally accurate gun.

And with that 175 fusion, like you saw, you saw the marks it made on that gong at that distance, it wasn't like like sometimes you're shooting a gong and you're like, I think I see the dimple, right?

This was like fucking splat, splat, splat.

Like you're going to put the video up.

They're like, holy shit, what is that?

I mean, that bullet is meant to kill, but it also has a really high ballistic coefficient and it's very stable.

So when you can put more horsepower into something and there's no downside, it's not like again, another analogy.

So I was shooting a 28 nozzler that a gentleman dropped off for us to fix up.

And I built them this gun years ago when the 28 nozzler was a new news.

So that gun's a beautiful thumb hole stocked CT edge with a big beautiful VX64 to 24 scope on it.

It's got a 26 inch barrel, OK, like a big Mandingo pipe on it with a brake.

And when I reset it up for him, I was shooting the factory nozzler 175 ABLR.

So again, a 175 grain projectile out of a 26 inch barrel and it has anybody that's got a 28 nozzler will tell you they got recoil right?

Like they're snappy and the five shot average was 2996 feet per second.

And then right after it I was doing another 20 inch 7 MMM PRC and that gun weighs 8 lbs seven oz.

So just about 8 1/2 lbs.

And then I'm doing a another Backcountry 20 inch barrel, 175 grain ammo gun weighs like 7 lbs twelve oz and it's like 3030.

So lighter, faster, 6 inches less barrel and it doesn't kick anywhere as hard because there's like, fuck, I don't know, 35% less powder or something like that.

I don't know.

But that but that case technology is very interesting.

And not to get too far down that rabbit hole because that could be that could be the, you know, topic of another podcast, but I believe in the caliber, I believe in the technology.

I think it's going to be a big game changer.

Reloading.

I hate it down.

The pipe, yeah.

So I fucking hate it because it's just I, I, I, I knew it was going to be good.

You heard all the fucking reviews.

And then I was, I think Kurt didn't want to go shoot it because he knew it was going to shoot because you kept telling us it was.

Oh, I'm a son of.

A just like we yeah, we just got into the PRCS.

We're like, oh, it's the awesome can't switch and fucking yeah, the reloading has to happen.

But it's just like, I don't know the rumors, like we we know that there's probably going to be a 65.

They're not that I want that Backcountry coming, but there's going to be a 300 Cal Backcountry coming and stuff like that coming down the pipe, I mean.

So, so again, look, we've, we've, we're over the whole Weatherby rum days where velocity was keying and flatness.

You don't need that because we can turn away things.

We have ballistic compensation, but I mean, this is a meaningful increase in power.

Like we're talking more than 10% increase in velocity, which, you know, introduces a whole series of things like you have more kinetic energy downrange, you're more efficient getting it there and there isn't a massive increase or really it's like a sideways, it's a lateral move in terms of recoil.

Sure, it's like a third more pressure, but it's not like I'm telling you, I literally shot that 28 nozzler and then the seven of them Backcountry back-to-back because then I shot the bow several times and it was, I was just like, wow, this is unreal.

You got more power in this and it doesn't kick anywhere near as bad as this one because it's just less powder.

So I'm, I'm a, I'm a big believer in it, you know, not just because we have a bunch of guns coming, but because I actually think it's a, it's going to deliver a really satisfying shooting experience for people.

So what's your Intel on the the reloading?

Cuz that is the big question.

That's a big, that's a big thing for me.

Like is it?

Yeah.

So what have been?

Are we gonna have the opportunity?

What's been explained to me is that RCBS and you know, I mean, you know, I haven't, I'm not a reloader.

Yeah, I'm, I don't.

I mean, my whole thing is factory gun, factory ammo.

You know, Garrick's A reloader.

He's more refined that way.

And, and I respect reloaders because they they take things where they should, but I like to put together systems for that every person that doesn't have time to reload.

So I haven't delved into this, but it has been explained to me that RCBS does have a die set that they've developed and that it's being worked on.

People are working on the peak alloy cases to test the reload ability of them and told it's a three-step process, but the reality is that you're dealing with a more rigid case which you.

Need, yeah, when you're going.

From 60 PS 60,000 PSI to the 80,000 PSI zone, you need something that's not going to fold on you.

So the reusability of those cases is much more limited, like 2, maybe 3 reloadings.

So like a rough, I mean, it used to be, yeah.

Yeah, I used to pull that.

That's Excel forums.

Yeah, exactly.

So that's exciting for some people, but I mean, honestly for for the average person, I just I just think it's pretty cool, cool thing.

And when I can, you know, you're a good shooter, Kurt.

But when I can put someone behind a rig that they have no, they haven't bonded with.

And obviously it's a well put together system and it's an accuracy on that.

But I mean, you're shooting 780 cold, like boom, cold bore for you.

You know what that that that bench is like a temporary bench that we're shooting on.

It was kind of like like something you'd have it some weird cabana bar.

You know, it's kind of rickety, but you still smoke that thing.

3 for three, which I was just I wouldn't.

Say I'm a good shot, I've missed probably more shit than I've killed honestly.

But I don't know man.

They could just, I mean, well.

Then that makes the gun look even better.

Well, it does for sure, and I'm not just saying that, but we'll go back to, you know, we had great success with our rogues and the stalks on those guns are fucking comfy to shoot.

Oh yeah, yeah, it's a win.

The Rogue is a winner.

Yeah, it's, it's just a price point, shootability, everything.

We love it.

And you know, we stacked up quite a few animals with those guns in the last few years.

So, but like, I don't go shoot like you guys do.

And I'm, you know, Garrick, you guys are out there weekly.

I haven't been to the gun range since we did that shooting challenge.

And when was that?

February.

January.

Oh, that was December.

This.

Yeah, December.

That's the last time I've shot a gun, and I think I took 10-15 shots.

And prior to that I took one shot, two shots in the fall, three shots in the fall.

Yeah, three shots in the fall.

That's all I did.

So basically, I haven't really been out to the range since last spring where I've sat on a bench and consecutively shot, you know, a box of shells.

So to be able to grab that gun, sit down, hit 540, boom, boom, take a 20 minute break and go straight over to 780 and just fucking punch that plate was it was a confidence booster, man, Like totally.

Yeah.

So whoever gets that gun, I'm, I'm jealous 'cause.

It's pretty rad that that's going up for, for, for in the raffle.

That's the early bird prize.

Like it's quite the prize.

It's an amazing gun.

I was.

I was pretty happy to see it perform like that.

Yeah, there's going to be a little bit of whoever wins, it's going to get, you know, quite a bit of DNA on that thing, a little bit of gas off DNA, some DNA, a little bit of hurt neck, you know?

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

23andMe on your gun for sure.

It's like.

Now the big thing about the caliber is ammo.

You want me to sign that over?

Actually you could set my signature on it.

You did with your tongue.

Tongue it over.

My hands have been before I shot it.

So the big question about the caliber is ammo and I get that.

I can tell you that we got about 250 boxes of ammo of the 168 LRX.

So we got to be sparing with it.

I can't be selling a case when someone buys a gun, but I can assure you that everybody is doing everything they can to bring that ammo here and the price in the ammo isn't crazy.

We're going to be selling it for one O 999 a box, which before people start swearing at me, that's actually really good compared to what regular ammo is going to be like.

Even Hornady Precision Hunter for dealers that are just bringing in stuff that's been hit by tariffs.

It's it's way over $100.00.

So I mean, these are shit times we're dealing with, but you know, we're all doing the best that we can.

I'm just trying to make sure that, you know, I've got a lot of these guns here and a lot of them coming and I just want to make sure I can keep them fed.

And and so other, you know, there's a lot of other quality dealers out there that are going to be carrying it.

Like I know that, you know, places like Italian sporting goods, reliable gun profit River, Calgary Shooting Center, Elwood apps, you know, the quality shops in this country are are bringing in just as much, if not more than me.

So I don't think we're going to have like a dry Gulch of ammo like we saw during COVID or like 270 wisdom and 300 Wisdom, there was no ammo.

And we went through this with 28 and Osler and the 65 PRC.

And I, I think Federal is, I mean, they're the biggest ammo company there is.

I don't think they're going to let that happen.

So it's federal ammo rate.

There's no they're the only brand pumping that ammo.

Well, yeah.

And I, you know, they've, it's a proprietary case, Yeah, right.

So.

So is that their LRX bullet or what bullet is that?

That's a Barnes.

The bar, it's a Barnes LRX and 165.

The 168 all sick or 168?

Yeah, so they've sweet.

They've got 5 loads.

For it, yeah, they've got they've got one.

They got a 155 terminal ascent, 170 grain terminal ascent, a 175 fusion tip, a 168 Barnes LRX and a 195 burger.

I'd be picking that fucking LRX all day.

Not the way I've seen it work.

Well, that's the one that I got about 200 plus boxes coming in.

You're you're a smart guy.

Dun Dun Dun.

I don't.

Have telling us, man.

Come on.

Come on.

Yeah, All right.

Well, that's, yeah, that's it's super.

It's always exciting to hear the gun stuff and it's also a little bit like I get a little bit disheartened because you just get through like I really like this and that.

And then if you have a little bit of the gun nut in you, which I do like the long range, the technical side, the reloading man, Now I want to get my hands on one and and see what it's all about.

Well.

When are you coming up?

Make some room in the safe.

Yeah, maybe this summer.

So I got one more.

Really.

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

Oh I was just going to say one more thing.

I was fucking impressed on how hard it hit that plate at 780.

Oh yeah, I crushed it.

Because like you look at that case, like I said, it's unimpressive case and you know, my 243 plank and steal it would be like Ting Ting and that this bullet casing is not much larger than what that really is.

Honestly, it's.

The size of a 30 ought 6 case, yeah.

Yeah, so it's slightly bigger, I guess.

But when it hit that at that distance, man, like it was like twang.

It was loud.

Like you could hear it and you could see the, oh, you watch the video when I post it, like the impact man, it's just like poof.

It was like poof, COVID guy hit in the toilet seat.

It's like, bam, well, I mean, 3000 feet per second at the muzzle, 175 grain projectile, right?

Like, yeah, it left.

It left big marks on that gong.

Yeah, yeah, you can see in the.

Video.

It was like whoa.

When it hit I was like, OK.

That's a hit, there's no question about it.

That's fucking holy.

Shit, yeah.

Sometimes you're like, yeah, no, I don't know.

I think King, Yeah, Yeah.

So, all right, one last thing that I'm actually really excited about, and I I actually don't like to pipe things before they show up, but I'm super pumped about this too.

Got a interesting call, just a random call about two weeks ago.

Guy introduced himself.

And then I was like, oh, shit.

So we ended up having a really good conversation.

And if you're a gun nerd, if you're a Gunny, if you're a gun guy, then you understand these good ingredients.

So when you build your dream gun, you think like Defiance, like a Defiance anti X action and a proof research barrel, trigger, tech trigger and Mcmillan's stock.

And that's exactly what's going to be happening.

So you know, Defiance Rebel or Defiance anti X action proof research barrels and McMillan stocks, their game Warden and their Mountain tracker stocks.

So there's a company called Tenacity Firearms and we're going to be bringing in a lot of their products and they have two brands of rifle, 2 models of rifles with those ingredients.

And the exciting thing about this is that they're able to do it and then we're able to turn around and sell those guns up here in Canada at prices that will probably upset some people.

Meaning like you could not possibly buy those components and have a gunsmith build you a gun for what we can sell the completed rifle for.

And, and I'm super stoked.

And these guys are like just dialed in, like the calibers that they're doing.

It's just a no nonsense high performance rifle at a price point that is really never been explored up here.

So it's like more than you know, like like the top end fierce rifle as an example, say like the, the rage LR, which will be in the $5000 zone.

So it's just above that.

And I'm super stoked cause those ingredients, like if you, you know, if you, if you know guns, you know how preeminent and ubiquitous the defiance and tax action is these days.

So that's what we're going to be bringing here.

We'll have them pretty quick here.

And like I said, it's going to piss off some people that are in the gun building game, but that's what we fucking do here.

Stir in the pot, eh?

But that's cool.

And then it's.

So it's basically a custom build, but ready to go.

Like you're buying a custom build essentially.

Well, it's this is it's the brand Tenacity.

Yeah, that's what they do.

Yeah, yeah.

And you look into that company and you understand why they can do it.

So the owner of Defiance 10, McMillan, it's like basically his company.

OK.

That's cool then.

Yeah, let's check those out too.

We're all going to be running 25 Creedmoors.

That's the new.

News we are.

That's the new news, baby.

We are.

Hey, listen.

And I'm not cutting my hair.

I told your sister Kurt, I ain't cutting my fucking hair until I can put a ponytail because I'm going to drive your brother-in-law bonkers when he walks in the office or he goes to pick up guns and I got a fucking man bun.

And I'll be Yeah, I think you should get Ember's little top pony, his little head.

Rock in there, Samurai Topknot.

Yeah.

Well, I'll be handing my 25 Creedmoor to Garrick.

Like, can you go shoot this in for me?

Can you do a can you, can you get me a hot load for this?

He'll be loving that.

You joke now, but I'm telling you right now, when I get you guys shooting in 25 Creedmoor, you're going to want one.

Yeah, I'll probably want one to shoot dogs and targets and stuff like that.

We'll pick that up in episode 669, which is probably the next time I'll be on.

Fuck, that'll be like my grandkids.

Show the rate we're going.

We make it to there.

Fuck yeah.

We'll be fucking you'll be 120 Omer and we'll be fucking 95.

OK buddy.

Well, is there anything else you want to touch on before we take off?

No, I think we bored people enough.

You both.

You both look like you need a nap.

Kids, man.

Long days, long days.

Well, the the one thing I wanted to mention to the listeners, if you're, if you follow Omer on social media, precision optics counts back, baby.

So make sure you're following and if you're not, go and follow his page.

Give him support because he had to go through the same shadow band bullshit for the last fuck year almost.

I would.

Don't you remember the year?

I was baking gluten free shit with my cat for like 9 months.

We had.

People Wellness checks on you, yeah.

Make sure you were doing the industry was doing Wellness checks through US, people were sending you your posts being like guys, is Omer OK?

Is he all right?

Blink if someone's making you do this.

Hey, I don't mind baking with my cat, OK?

I'm secure enough in my masculinity that I can bake with my cat.

So is it you can explain the cat baking?

Give us, give us the listeners, a quick rundown on why you're doing this and whatever.

So, yeah, so, so Precision Optics got banned primarily because we were promoting the Wild Sheep Society rifle raffle last year.

I did all this amazing.

Wow, it's called amazing.

But I spent a lot of time, me and Jackson did all this great photography of the guns and he built these like playing cards for the guns.

And, and so we built all these ads and we started rolling them out.

And then pretty soon Wild Sheep and us basically got banned.

Why?

Because we're fucking idiots and forgot that while we were trying.

Like when you advertise something that's a sanctioned raffle, there are rules.

You have to describe the product, you have to depict the product, and you have to put the price of the product.

So when you show a gun, describe a gun and put the price of a gun on any meta platform, that violates the terms of service.

So it's ironic that we're upholding the rules of the raffle and that causes to get banned from, you know, various platforms.

So I mean that that was a whole bunch of suck that was turning the fucking suck knob up to 10.

Farrell OK, so then on my personal account, I'm like, OK, fuck this.

So I got a giant pussy.

His name's Milo.

He's a 26 LB orange Maine Coon.

And I discovered, you know, I got, I'm gluten intolerant.

So I discovered some gluten free baking recipes and I just started baking.

And the next thing you know, Milo's up on the counter every morning.

I'd start at like 5:30 in the morning baking, right.

And Milo's up on the counter.

He's my little he's the only thing that really likes me, hangs out with me all the time.

So I'm baking the stuff and he's hanging out, you know, he's got his like pond batter and all this stuff.

So I'm like, OK, so I would take pictures of me doing this gluten free baking and then Milo and I'm like, well shit, if I don't get some views with me and gluten free baking and a giant Pussycat, then I'm really being suppressed, right?

I get.

It left wing written all over it.

Yeah, when I'm exactly.

When I had a 65 Creedmoor in the background, yeah.

And a Bud Light.

So anyway, I did that for months.

Like this went on for months and months and months and months.

And like, you know, people are like some people like, oh, you know, like my aunties and stuff.

They're thinking it's great.

And then, you know, other people are just like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Like where are the guns?

Why don't you?

I went from like showing all these exposes of like our range runs and, you know, all these beautiful shots of gun works and stuff to like this giant orange cat and like baking stuff that, you know, people probably nobody wants to eat because it doesn't look actually that good.

But that's, I did that for months and months and months.

And then now that we got kind of, we're back out of jail.

I I've kind of backed off on that, but well.

Delete, delete, delete, delete, delete.

Well.

No, I left it all.

But we also got another Maine Coon and she's a bit of a CUNT.

And usually when I get up in the morning to do that, Milo comes up there and then she gets up there and like most women do, she starts driving them nuts.

So he like takes off and then, yeah, so we're going to be trying to show more of our range runs.

But because people enjoy that, they like seeing all the guns.

But it's it's tricky.

It's tricky to operate in the social media space with the products that we push.

Yeah, we got fucked just from a backpack picture with the Reaper in the back, right Dev?

You got that one, that one was on there and then I think I had a reel shooting the Reaper at the range and they were also were like.

You can't have this.

And I just kept, I just kept hitting that every fucking day.

It would let me appeal, appeal.

And one of it was your ads.

We shared a Precision Optics ad on a story and it was like, yeah, so I deleted that one because it was, I'm like, well, this.

Is that was the magnificent 7/1?

Yeah, but it's a story, so I just still like, I'm like, what?

Doesn't matter.

I shared it fucking six months ago.

So I, I deleted that one because it's just a story.

But I was like, fuck you, I'm going to delete just a range session legal firearms, range legal everything.

Like get fucked.

So yeah, it ended up, you know, I peeled it enough and they turned it off eventually.

I don't know why, but maybe they're just tired of seeing it.

Just repeat.

And I don't understand this at all because, you know, my, my feed constantly has like shootouts, you know, police officers gunning down people that don't comply.

On your 4U feed too, Like it's not like that's being censored, yeah.

Exactly, like there's all kinds of shit, like all kinds of industrial accidents is crazy shit.

But you know, you want to, you want to donate a gun to a nonprofit charitable organization that does conservation work and Oh my goodness, OK, throw that motherfucker in jail.

Pretty much.

Hey, Manuel, it's always a pleasure having you on.

We we got to thank you for spending time with us.

That was pretty tame actually.

You were fuck.

I don't think we're going to get any pushback on much of that.

We didn't.

We didn't.

Cut enough, we didn't bring up, you know, people's private parts or.

Well, we talked about how you were disappointed with an unenjoyable anal exam.

I didn't want to go in too much detail on the enjoyable ones for you talked.

About Ted's tramps down.

Yeah, wow, that's just hair.

It's not a Ted, that's just.

That's just, but it's woven.

It's shaved into a fucking.

Pattern but.

All right, boys.

We're, yeah, we're in the weeds now, yeah.

Better go to bed, OK, buddy?

Thanks a lot again for coming on.

Yeah.

Of course, anytime.

And yeah, till next time.

Please.

I came from the moon.

Desert on my hands, strong like a tree.

There's roots where I stand.

Oh, I've been running from the lawn.

Hope they won't shoot me down soon.

They seem going to sleep this night.

Try to catch me all in that tomorrow.