They called it loon shit.

It's just that frickin greasy top layer on those northern.

I've been running from the lawn, hope they won't shoot me down soon.

But I froze my bag off like I had every piece of cloth on inside myself.

Try to catch me.

We're completely fucked, completely fucked.

We're completely fucked.

Welcome to episode 58 No 68 of Come Out Heavy.

That's Kurt and Dev back in the hot seat and this is another Gas Holes episode.

Thought we'd start her off with a little intro music for the boys and girls out there listening since this is the first episode post Canadian National election and ladies and gentlemen, we're completely fucked.

Yeah, it's not a great situation to be, I would say W West of fucking Manitoba of some sort, unless you live at the coast.

But yeah, not the results.

I think most of us were wanting or expecting.

Yeah, fucking frustrating man.

Like we got fucked in the provincial election and a short time later we get fucking ass raped in the federal election too.

It's yeah, we're fucked, completely fucked.

Yeah, it's a, you know, we, we talked about it a little bit before and obviously Kurt and I don't have huge political knowledge or stance, but it's just, you know, what it's really hard is everyone I talk to, because we both live, we'll call it like rural, just like a lot of probably the listeners here, even the ones in Vancouver that hunt fish and and wanna be out, man, everyone I talked to voted for something different.

Like what I mean is a change like conservative Pierre, whatever they wanted to see a change and it fuck, it's hard every year or every election like this when you see it's just the big centers getting all the power.

And it's like, I mean, I don't know if it would've made a huge difference or what would've changed, but fuck, I felt like it was the the right time to change something in Canada.

I think so man after like the last two elections and where Canada is like the economy is down, industry is down, everything you can think of is fucking down.

It's insane.

The national debt is fucking astronomical and I feel like we really only have the federal government to really blame honestly.

Like COVID flipped the world upside down South.

Who knows what was the right way to navigate that.

But whatever the fuck they did obviously was not the right thing.

But it it's you look at the fucking, at least he had that plain and not porn that have been awkward.

But yeah, you look at the writings, like Toronto I think had like 126 writings.

They had the same amount as Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, none of it Northwest Territories in Yukon combined.

I'm like, and I get because the population is so large there and it's no different than Vancouver, but yeah, I don't know man.

Like I get the whole the little guy gets.

Everyone I know but I and I, I understand that like what all those people have to say and are right.

I just don't think it should be as heavily weighted because what I think about when I look at, when you look at the maps and you look at, you know, obviously there's not a lot of population in northern BC and none of it in northern Alberta and Saskatchewan.

I get that.

But the people that live in those areas occupy more space in the country.

Yeah, and our climate.

More space, more everything.

More like you're there.

I would say they're impacted.

We, I mean, I don't live crazy.

We're all neither do you.

But like, compared to fucking Vancouver and shit, we're pretty rural, but we occupy more of the landscape consistently.

We use it more.

We, we see the resources.

We, we, you know, we see more impact from the centers making decisions for us.

As if that makes any sense.

They make their decisions based on what's inside the cities, not what is best for the provinces or you know, Western Canada in general.

Like, you know, most of the rural areas that we live in, you know, that's where a lot of the, what do you call it, the commodities come from.

You know, there is no mines in fucking the heart of Vancouver.

You know, there's, there's a few mills and what not down there, but mining, the wood industry, anything like that, manufacturing, a lot of that stuff comes there.

At least the resources come from these communities.

So when they put a carbon fucking tax in, like, yeah, they can drive their fucking Tesla to fucking worker to go get their fucking triple fucking macchiato, fucking lesbian drink from Starbucks, whatever they want, right?

But for us, like, you know, fucking driving a Tesla, man, if I got to go to the Bush, would you get fucked, right?

When it's -40 you're fucked.

What are you going to do?

Like every decision they make impacts our lives fucking exponentially because they're not seeing outside of those metro bubbles.

Yeah, when they are seeing it, it's just vacation time, you know.

Yeah.

And how did everything in the vacation towns and up north and all the roads and all the maintenance and everything get done?

Well, all the blue collar boys and girls, all the fucking, you know, working class outside of those centers.

I, I I think they say we should have bigger, like the riding should be not as important.

I do understand that, but fuck me, it doesn't make sense when you think about it.

Cause the landscapes, they don't fucking see it.

They don't listen to shows, they don't look up, especially when we talk about the wildlife management.

But this isn't a wildlife thing.

It's the resource management thing.

It's like you see the frustration through, yeah, regions across, everywhere outside the the big centers.

And it's, I don't know, it's just disheartening.

You know, the the positives that came out of it is the NDP took a major fucking hit.

Yeah, you know.

They might as.

Like, you know, they might as well just fucking quit.

I mean, they did, but they might as well just stop and give some fucking more ridings to someone who's going to do something in this country.

Yeah, they'd fucking tagged along and fucking jerk fucking Trudeau off for the last eight years, right, Just to maybe get their fucking Dick wet once in a while.

So yeah, that's that whole fucking thing is a joke.

But yeah man, it's super fucking frustrating and it's kind of sad 'cause I feel like there's a shit ton of rural people that don't vote, but it wouldn't have made a difference because all the rural communities voted the same.

If you look it, it's no different than the provincial election.

The entire BC is blue except for a couple small little fucking orange spots and then you lose the election.

And Canada was a lot like that, too.

One green spot, you know, that Saanich island, they're really being taken care of down there.

Yeah, fuck yeah.

But like you look at yeah like square kilometer, like people are voting different than what happens, right?

So yeah, I don't know what the way to go about it is.

Like maybe limit, like limit the riding.

Every province has a fucking equal amount of ridings 'cause it all this part of Canada, I don't know what you do.

What's that?

What's that actually funny too?

Is the me making a joke about the NDP just tanking in the block kind of tanked and stuff?

Is that's partly the reason the Liberals did better than they were expecting, because they weren't anticipating those two parties giving up their fucking that many seats to them.

Yes, I feel like.

That's like what they're saying happened and you're like fuck, so you're like a little bit, but at the same time it doesn't matter.

The NDP gets in and they coalition with fucking the Liberals anyways and it's the same cuck fest in there from the what we had the last.

10 years, Dirty Mike and the boys having orgies and Priuses, that's what that is right there.

Yeah, well, I've talked enough about fucking politics, I think for.

Now it's just a just our thoughts.

Yeah, it's a bear season, first season of the year.

Well, at turkeys, I guess for you guys down South and wherever the fuck else, turkeys are not up in here.

But have you thought about it?

Have you gone out yet?

Is it even on the radar?

Yeah, it is.

It's like like we're getting into kind of crunch time, but also like probably good hunting too.

Like we're kind of in right now, late May, early June.

Like this is, I don't know if you've kind of said it before, kind of the ideal time to really start looking for a bigger bear and getting out.

So it's on the list always.

I'm, I'm not passionate about bear hunting.

I don't make a big deal of it.

I've never really done it that much, to be honest.

The only reason I really consider this is 'cause it's something to break up hunting season when like fall, right?

But for me, it's like we're planning a big trip this year.

I'm going to spend a lot of time away from the family.

I better get all my ducks in a row now because once August hits, you know, with camping family time, I'm probably not going to waste a lot of weekends chasing black bears around on fucking logging roads.

So it as much as I want to get out, and I do think it's fun to just get out to dump one of those fucking things, but it's yeah, I can't, just can't find time.

No, and it's I've said it, I've probably every fucking spring since we started the show.

Like bear season used to consist of like a case of beer and fucking driving around and like it.

No joke, you it's nothing to go and see 40 bears in a day right now.

Like I went for a little drive on the long weekend.

Just fuck, it was kind of rainy on and off.

I was like, fuck it, let's just go for a little burn and that they're not up yet in the mountains, not up here anyways.

Like I think I've seen two piles of bear shit in the whole fucking Rd.

system that I drove so and the grass up top wasn't it was all brown.

It had not even growing.

Valley bottoms are starting to get like decent green up.

So like we're still usually June.

Like when I was guiding bears up here, like all the hunts were in June.

May was just too much of A crapshoot.

You don't know like what you're getting.

But I know lots of like the coast, obviously in the island, like their bear season's full swing all of May.

Fucking Talking coast bear hunting.

Fucking Joe Appel whacked a monster.

Or yeah, he whacked a monster.

Or things of hammer.

I thought it was him or his wife.

Yeah, I don't know, but that's a fuck.

It was a tank, though.

Yeah.

Teeth were all fucked up in it.

Like, that's a big old bear.

Yeah.

Seen mindless.

Fucking stacked a nice little cub up there on that rock.

That was a just a real beauty to be guided on.

Someone reached out to us and and asked the question if you're supposed to cut the antler section on A tag when you kill a bear.

I that's I don't know.

I don't.

I wouldn't do it.

I don't think you're supposed to.

You're not supposed to when it's a sheep like you're not supposed to, 'cause it's, that's the same thing, is what it is.

I think that, yeah.

I don't know, I'd have to check.

I have no idea honestly.

Someone asked and I was like not really sure but I kind of doubt it.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't.

Yeah, I wasn't.

I wasn't I'll.

Ask the CEO next time I see him that like, 'cause I really don't know.

Yeah, a RAM, you should, because it is, I guess it's not an antler, but it's a horn.

But.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they told me not to.

Well, we'll talk about that in a bit here.

Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Yeah, that's that's another topic.

So yeah, I don't know for me, man, like spring kids, sports, work, fucking everything.

It's just bears around.

The last thing on my mind if I do go bear hunting, it's not for the fucking meat or for the height is to go fucking whack a couple of bears and and honestly help some fucking ungulates Calf Calvin Font.

That's the only fucking reason I'll be doing it.

So and there's lots of guys that like bear meat and do it.

I personally do not.

And to me, they're Bush rats and there's too many of them.

But it's not on high on the fucking priority list, that's for sure.

Yeah, I'm, I'm still going to try out like, well, Speaking of like with the elections and the economy and the fucking tank the mill shut down for, for me, it's going to be about a month, the entire month of June.

We're not operating.

And that's solely on the Canadian election and the tariffs for the States and China.

That tariff war has affected us directly.

So yeah, that's, I mean, it's shitty news.

I mean, it, it could be worse.

It could be January.

I was like, well, you know, fuck, 4 1/2 weeks off in June doesn't really sound that bad.

So like so you're you're.

Oh, it's not like a shut down.

You have to do work on it.

You're actually gonna be down.

Or down mills?

Down mills been down for a week now so we got electrical shutdown this week I just finished and I have another electrical shutdown next week and then it's like done like we're by law we have to have electrician on site just because the high voltage yard and have to keep things running for the effluent in the floor of the river.

So there is like an electrician there 24 hours a day.

So the whole crew opted to share.

So I will get 7 shifts in the whole month of June, which it's better than nothing.

It it works out to really, I think I only lose out on 14 hours of paycheck or something.

So it's not fucking, it's not bad.

There's people way worse off than I am.

So I'm definitely grateful for that.

But yeah, it could be worse.

Like I said, it could be fucking -30 in January where you can't do anything.

At least now like it's nice.

Like I got plans to go fishing.

Like I'm I'm definitely get a bear hunt in for sure.

Nice, so come June I should be able to fucking stack one up for sure.

But.

Well, you can't just about how picky you want to be.

Well, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I've, I've, well, yeah, I don't want to go through the effort of fucking digging a fucking bear out and skinning and doing all that shit for a fucking a fucking forge in the Backcountry bear, that's for sure.

Yeah, you might make a pair of slippers out of that little thing, but whatever bears a dead bear is a dead bear.

So that's right.

Good on you.

How was your mail on?

Yeah, it was first camping trip of the year, so last year being so busy with work, I didn't pull the trailer out all year.

So I'm like, oh perfect.

I've I did a good job.

It's been kept undercover.

Fucking things.

Only a few years old.

I've had it plugged in, so I was assuming the batteries and everything were going to be in good shape 'cause, you know, the charger's been on for a year and a half.

I didn't do a lot of maintenance checks, so I'll pull it out and start monkeying around, turning things on.

I'm like, what the fuck?

My bad.

Like my I have one of those power jacks on the front of it.

Yeah, I.

Don't know what that it's only going down.

It's not going up.

Oh my God, you piece of shit.

So that I, like you can manually do it.

So I put the manual thing on and then I realized like all all the batteries are dead and I'm like how the fuck are they dead?

It's been plugged in.

So I'm like fuck.

And then chargers throwing an error code, whatever.

I'm like OK, hopefully I can just charge them up and they'll be good to go.

So I'm fucking monkey around for a couple days, leave a charger on him, nothing, won't take a charge.

So I'm like fuck.

So I look 600 bucks for RV batteries I'm like fuck.

That's a kick in the Dick, yeah.

So, you know, like just dragging it out.

Just really wanted to spend 600 bucks on batteries but had to like we want to go camping.

And then the fucking yeah, the switch on my trailer Jack was fried too.

So, you know, just electrical bugs after it's just sitting for a fucking year.

That's may long man, like honestly, like so similar situation with me.

Like I, I have to pull my batteries out 'cause where I store it, there's no power, but I left one battery in just so I can fucking open the slides or do whatever right.

So I swapped them out, put good batteries in that I've had in the show in the garage all winter.

Everything fucking turns on, works out good.

I'm like perfect, but my trailer like I got a fucking toy hauler.

So it takes up my entire fucking driveway.

So I had this thing parked off to the side and then I had my I had to get my boat ready too.

So then I bought, I've got like a four vehicle wide driveway and I've got 5 vehicles parked in there and one's a fucking 40 foot travel trailer.

So I'm like, so I'm trying to move shit around.

I take the boat out to the property, I come back and I'm gonna move the trailer.

So I move the trailer ahead a little bit so I can mow the lawn actually is why I moved it.

Fucking move it ahead.

Go to drop the fucking same thing.

I got the front landing gear, electric jacks.

One stops fucking working and I'm like fucking it's hooked up to my truck right now.

I'm like fuck.

And I've had it happen before where the bolt that spins it broke.

It's like I had no big deal.

This is 1/4 inch bolt.

Pull the panelling off, like crawl into the storage compartment, pull it off.

No, the fucking pin on the Jack sheared off.

And then I'm like, well, now I'm fucked.

Like what do I do?

Right?

So I call my dad.

I'm like fuck, I don't know.

Like I was like, do I try to Weld this little fucking tit back on or like what do I fucking do?

Right.

So we ended up I unhooked the fucking, you know, we blocked it up and jacked it up with my fucking floor Jack and then got the got the truck unhooked and then fucked with it and it was able to get a drill on the fucking spigot coming out that spins.

And then I could wind the fucking Jack up and down with that.

But then it was easier for me just to get a fucking bottle Jack on a block and fucking Jack up the frame to replace that.

And then it's like $1500 to replace the fucking jacks.

I'm like, fuck me, man.

Like, yeah.

And then you get, you know, you get out camping, everything works.

Fucking night 2, the fridge turns off.

Won't won't really fucked with that.

Like I went out there like 3 in the fucking morning with a headlamp and.

I've had a lighter actually lit it and it stayed lit, but I'm like fucking mellow, man.

It's guaranteed every bug in your trailer is gonna come out mellow.

Yeah.

Well, and that's, I mean, I didn't run it all out, didn't even pull it out for a year and a half, two winters have sat in the same spot, like undercover and everything, but it's always good.

Like no mice, nothing but like that.

Just I thought I, you know, I was being a bit lazy.

I should have taken the batteries right out, stored them inside on a fucking maintainer, but whatever.

I just thought, well, it has a fucking charger, I'll plug it in, you know?

Yeah.

So Oh well, live and learn $600.00 later.

Did you put in six volts or 12 volts?

Yeah, it was already a 6 Volt system, so it's 6 volts again.

It's probably not a six Volt system, but you probably have dual 6 volts.

Sorry, sorry, 12 Volt system, but yes, the.

You put the two sixes.

Yeah.

Random in series.

Yeah, that's better.

That's why they're expensive while they hold the charge way longer.

That's the cells are bigger right?

Instead of 12 cells fast.

Two or something.

No, they charge slow, but they drain slow.

Oh, OK.

Like inside each battery they'll have like a 1 Volt cell.

So like your 12 will have 12 of them are obviously smaller where you have a 6 Volt they're way bigger so it takes longer to drain that down and you run them in series creates 12 volts.

I'm an electrician that's why I know this shit.

So.

Yeah, that makes it.

Yeah, it they work.

Really.

I mean it, my batteries must have been getting a little weak 'cause I had seen them drain down on like summer weekends.

And we have solar runners.

Yeah, this weekend, all May long with the standard May long weather where you got periods of rain showers, some periods of sun, you know what I mean?

Like it.

They were great.

They were charged right to the end, so they were probably on their way out a lot.

I'm going to say anyways, I didn't wreck them.

They were already worn out.

Yeah, that's my camper I bought a couple years ago too.

Same thing, 226 volts.

I was like fucking sweet man.

They lasted that summer and they were fucked like the first winter there and I took them out, had them in the garage and they were still fucked.

They still and they're heavy mother fuckers too.

They they're.

And they're deep, they're so tall.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah.

So that classic, but like the weekend was good.

It was like a zoo of kids, like 100 kids biking around.

Like I taught the well, the girls had a few friends that were in the same campground that we didn't know that they're gonna be there.

So that was kind of good for that.

But the one night the boys rode by on their bikes and said hi to Abby in Georgia.

And then I said, well, tell them you want you want them to come over like they should come over and play kick the can.

And half the people like what's kick the can?

And I'm like.

What?

My kids know what it is, they've played it before and I'm like, like, even like the parents were like, we don't know what kick the can is.

And, but the, all the kids pretty much did.

So I, I, you know, the girls weren't brave enough to walk over on their own.

So I walked over with them and challenged the, they were actually playing the, the boys were playing Rd.

hockey.

So I went over there and challenged them to a game of kick the can.

And then I got that going for the girls.

So I thought that was pretty fun to see them doing things that we used to do as.

As we used to have Epic kick the can games of the whole neighborhood like they were fun yeah that's cool man nice.

It's nice when like for me, like my kids are still young right, but like my buddy was camped I don't know 4 fucking sites down from us out of power and he's got a daughter year older than the mirror man and they just like hit it off They played all fucking weekend.

It was actually nice.

I could fucking like get shit done around the camp, fucking chop wood do whatever, and they were just playing on their striders and hanging out It's nice when they can.

Your kids are older, so they play with each other, right?

But like, I got a fucking 10 month old and a three-year old coming in a couple days here.

So if you can preoccupy the toddler, fucking life's a life's a fucking dream after that.

Yeah, a couple more years and then they'll be going too fast for you.

Oh yeah, fuck her on that Strider, man.

It's just yeah, crazy.

Like she dabbled a bit last year.

She had a scooter that she ripped her on it.

The Strider now, man, she's just fucking humming.

She goes to the pump track like we had her there today.

She's just ripping on that thing like too fast.

And fucker won't she refuse to wear helmet Like fuck.

And she crashes too, right?

Like she starts ripping.

She starts like weaving through stuff and goes over the handlebars.

I'm just gonna fucking rub it off and get back up.

She's pretty good, pretty tough little kid, which is good.

So that's good.

Yeah, man.

You wanna talk about the Canadian Archery Challenge?

That's something fucking new coming, eh?

Yeah, I, it's funny.

I, I don't know a lot about it.

Kurt and I are actually, we're planning on having world of one.

He's kind of involved in that.

I think he's helped arrange it or I don't know.

We're we're gonna find out what his details are with it.

But it's kind of funny.

I, I kept seeing there was an Instagram page made and it was getting shared around a lot through the people we follow.

And I kept seeing it.

So I finally looked at it and I was like, Oh yeah, Canadian Archie Challenge.

And I kind of looked at the details a bit.

And then a buddy of mine messaged me or I met a message him said here you go into this or vice versa.

And I said, I don't know, it seems all right.

And he's like all registrations tomorrow or whatever.

And so I looked into the dates and I said, well, how much does it cost?

Fuck it was two nights of camping and two days of shooting on a ski hill with like chair lift and everything.

I was like 120 bucks.

I was.

Like, yeah, that's cheap.

I.

Was like, fuck, I can't do anything for that, let alone like hang out with a bunch of hunters, probably drinking beer and just just flinging arrows.

Like I don't, I'm not there to compete.

I haven't even shot my bowl this year still.

Yeah, like I need to get new strings on it.

Like I'm like, whatever, I'll get it shootable.

I don't care.

I think the class that we're in is range finders are allowed.

So I'm like fucking perfect, 'cause I'm not guessing anyways, 'cause I just lose all my arrows.

Yeah.

So yeah, he kind of tossed the idea around.

I looked at my schedule and talked to the wife and she's like, yeah, go.

So.

So if you guys don't know what we're talking about, it's basically like if you've heard of the TAC events down in the states, similar to that.

So Sasquatch Mountain Resort, which is rated Agassi or close to Agassi, never been there.

So it'll be a new place for me to check out.

They're going to have 3D targets all over the mountain.

From what I understand, I'm assuming we're hiking around shooting at these things and hanging out and shooting the shit afterwards and do that for a couple days.

So it's it's something different.

Never done one of these and I think it's the first time they've done this type of event fully in BC or maybe Canada, I don't know.

So yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

Something different.

Yeah, that's.

It's neat, man.

I remember Tanner talking about this, like, right when we first started trying to fucking get something and calling COVID kind of put a damper on all of that.

No, it's a great idea, man.

That tack event in the States is huge, too, right?

Yeah.

So, like, this thing's only gonna get bigger, I think.

But yeah, it's good.

It's it's unfortunate That's one of or that whole weekend.

I work Saturday, Sunday, and that's two of my seven days in June that I have to work, which is unfortunate.

But yeah, it'll be a fun event, man.

I think you got a little gunny sack of beer with you when you're hiking the mountain or what?

Oh, backpack.

Yeah, full beer for for sure around the whiskeys.

I don't know.

We'll see.

I gotta I gotta gauge the what what the safety level needs to be on these events.

How many arrows you've taken?

Probably a dozen.

Yeah, I'd bring.

I'd bring more than that.

I don't know if I want to buy more than that.

I know.

I'm not a fucking Archer.

Like I mean, I don't need like I don't shoot a lot so, but I'm going to have a dozen for sure.

And then, you know, it's kind of like golf.

If you run out of balls, you just stop shooting and you drink or you steal or you.

Spectator.

Yeah, you steal your friend's arrows.

Yeah, if they're long.

Well, you got short arms, so any arrows will fit you.

Pretty much, yeah.

Actually you got long arms, but I don't know actually what's your drawing.

28.

Oh yeah, OK, so I'm you're not far off from me.

Yeah, I'm 29 1/2, so 29 with a string loop.

I think my draw is actually a bit short too.

I've kind of my elbows a bit bent.

I probably shouldn't want to touch longer, but.

Whatever, you should try putting a string loop on.

I do a bit farther now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That made a big difference for me doing that.

I was just it was too short or too long.

Half an inch, eh, That's, that's what she said makes a difference.

That's.

Right, Yeah.

You know, I was up in Cornell around Easter, and as with Kurt and I always do, he seemed to stumble into precision optics and bullshit with Omer for longer than we probably should.

We take up a lot of his time, but you know, he he doesn't seem to kick us out of that store.

No.

Maybe because he's always trying to just sell us some more shit.

The wife knows when I stopped there after work because I'm like, Oh yeah, I'll stop, pick up some steaks or milk or whatever, right?

I'm, I'm there for like 40 minutes and there's no cell service in there either.

But I'm hooked up to the Wi-Fi, so she knows that if she whatsapps me, I'm going to get the message.

But I get where the fuck are you?

Like fucking stop talking, Homer and get home.

Your kids are hungry.

I'm like, oh, I got to go.

Always running out the door every time.

And I'm there like 3-4 days a week.

But yeah, when you're up, we always make a couple of visits there for sure and look at stuff.

And like for you, you were having a boot issue.

Yeah, let's start with that.

And then that's the first reason I went in there.

So yeah, I'm gonna, yeah, Kurt's bringing up.

So last year I bought a brand new pair of Krispies, the Brick Stall Mountain SFS.

They've been great.

Ran them all summer, training all hunting season, no real issues.

Threw them on this spring, started rocking around and getting some hikes in and fucking went on one.

And I'm like, man, my toes feel like they're hitting the front of the boot.

I can't be like, what the fuck?

Like, must have long nails, right?

Like must not trim my toenails or something.

That's not it.

I fucking look try it again.

Went out for another hike few weeks later, same thing.

I'm like fuck.

And then I went for like a real hike with good downhill and they were like, I think I went for a shed hunt.

That's what I did.

And I fucking they pounded the front of the boot and I was like what the fuck is going on?

Like am I not lacing them right?

Am I not like what what is happening?

So then I kind of started thinking about it a bit more all my shoes that I just started thinking like realizing they're all kind of feeling tighter.

And I'm like, man, I think my no, I don't think my feet is growing.

But I was telling Kurt that I've been like trying to stretch out more and I know I have like tight calves and tight like high arches and I'm doing different like foot exercises.

And I don't know if that's the case or the different insoles.

I've started running even in my work boots and stuff.

It's like a flatter insole.

It's relaxed my foot a bit and it's actually let let it like lengthen by 1/2 inch or something like I don't fucking know.

But even the running shoe I bought this spring was a 10 and I haven't, I've never worn A10.

So yeah, that was kind of the start.

Which then led me to needing to buy a new pair of fucking hiking boots for the second year in a row.

Fuck.

So yeah, I went, you know what, I like them.

I know there's nothing wrong with the boot.

I was like, I want the same boot.

So I went into Omer's, tried on a 9 1/2, which is my next size, fit way better.

I've been hiking around and them, they feel right.

Everything seems better.

Yeah.

So before we move on from that, if anyone's listening to this and you would like a good deal on a size 9 crispy brick stall mountain SF one year on them, they're in good shape.

Yeah, hit me up.

Yeah, shoot me Adm 'cause they're for sale.

Fuck it that sucks man.

Like I mean it took me years to finally pull the pin on a new pair of boots just because I couldn't make my decision and if I had to go turn around and fucking drop another fucking 500 plus.

Fuck 500, try like 577.

Yeah, yeah.

Never mind.

Yeah, they've gone up since I'm not mine.

Yeah, yeah.

Feel for everybody.

That sucks.

Yeah, but you know, I could in my head I'm like, well, if I was only, you know, spring bear hunting, deer hunting, some Rd.

like I would have just said fuck it.

But I was like, I'm not going fucking Backcountry.

Especially our sheep hunt, kind of jet boat hunt with boots that could potentially be the wrong size.

I can't do this.

And if you get blisters on your toes man, especially packing out, that's the worst.

Coming out with a fucking load on is the word.

Downhill is fucking sucks.

I'll go uphill all day.

Fucking downhill with fucking bad boots.

It wrecks it.

So anyway, stopped and got those at OMERS and he always likes to show us skier.

Well, Kurt and I've been talking a bit about tripods and I've never been overly like concerned with white current tripod set up, but I've always wanted something.

I don't have a carbon 1, not that I need a carbon 1, but it was kind of like always been on the fence about when to make the call.

I've just been making.

Do I know Kurt also has this kind of like a low grade carbon 1 and didn't know Omer was gonna was carrying the AZI acts like I didn't know that was a thing.

So when Kurt kind of said that to me, we were like, well, fuck, I want to check those out because heard good things.

They seem like they're good value for what they were too, like the all the reviews and stuff on them.

So yeah, we stopped in and and checked those out, which was pretty impressed with.

Yeah, so like I knew that's really the only major, it's not even major, but the piece of gear that I've wanted to update this year from my kid, just like you said, my I bought my tripod.

Fuck, I don't even know when I yeah, 5-6 years ago it was like a budget one.

It was a few 100 bucks and it, it got me by no big deal there, but it was time to update.

I've tried to shoot off my cheap 1 and in the wind it sucks.

It's just not built very well.

So then I've been picking Homer's ear for months about tripods and you know, he doesn't really have mode on display.

So then I got to find time where I go in there and unbox a few and look at him and I looked at the Revik one about the sheep show.

He had a bunch of them.

Obviously Outdoorsman 1 is another brand that's been around forever.

Like we talked to Mark Denham from them and they make a quality product too.

And then the Azac is something I didn't really know a ton about.

Like obviously I looked him up and Omer said he had and he's like, they're pretty nice.

So looked him up and then when I, I looked at him once before you came and then I wanted you to have a look at it too, right.

We pulled out the front country, the Backcountry.

And then what was his new one?

Have to fucking look for it here.

He's got a smaller one.

It's a little bit lighter.

The half country no.

No, I'm going to pull that.

I'm going to pull it up right now because it's bugging me.

Backcountry light tripod.

There's another one though, Ridgeline tripod.

That's the one he just came out with.

So like they're all different sizes.

Lightweight for me.

Like the front country is the big one and it's bigger tubes.

It's still not heavy.

It's super fucking light.

And that was that's kind of what I wanted.

I want something that I can shoot off of something that's gonna be super stable.

The size it, it's larger than it's not still not even large, but it is bigger than some of the small ones.

But fuck, man, that thing is steep stable and then the front country ball head was another fucking add on too right and that thing is I I don't watch a video on it that right Dell that owns Aziak.

He does a nice video on it, like the features and how they engineered that thing is super fucking cool.

Like it's like my fucking cheap shitty one came with a shitty little ball head.

It has the pan.

You had to buy the pan for yours and like your outdoorsman, right?

So you had to buy all the little fucking pieces and then you, you still don't even run to outdoorsman.

You run the?

Well, no.

I have a yeah, I have a cereal pan head and then I just have the outdoorsman, the vinyl mount like the.

Post OK, that's what it was.

That's all.

I don't have AI, don't have a head, just the post.

So anyways, the ball head is kind of that sold me like it's super solid.

It's I don't know, you got to watch the video like all the little features it has where you can lock it where you can only it makes it like a what the fuck is it?

It turns it from a ball head just.

To almost to a pan head.

Yeah, so it you get your north to South and then spin, but then you unlock it and then you have the full ball head feature.

So I don't know man.

When I first seen I was like, yeah, that's the one I want as well.

We pulled the pin on it and you know, I'm more than fucking happy with that thing, man.

Like it is sick.

I pack it around in my fucking little Ridgeline Kuyu backpack with a spotter.

I'm super excited to fucking use that thing this year.

Yeah, same.

I think that head is really cool and I was always like not a huge, I don't know, not a fan, but like I just, I always like the big pan head.

I've been like that.

I know a lot of guys just like that simple, like back and forth and not have that.

But maybe it's 'cause like the the ball heads I have or have used or cheap and they're, yeah, they don't lock.

And I that fact that it locks and I'm it's probably not the only one out there that does this feature.

Like I like I said, I don't have a fucking ton of experience and all the heads out there, but yeah, I was seeing that.

I was like, well, fuck, that'll work like a pan head.

So that's pretty, pretty stoked to kind of find that combo and try it.

And shooting, I never really give it much a thought shooting off of a tripod, but then, you know, having that really fluid articulation for shooting makes a lot of sense.

You can't be so stuck and so rigid.

Yeah, yeah, it's.

And like I had it on the Reaper there and the Reapers got that Arca Swiss plate built into the stock.

Yeah, fucking money, money man.

Like if you clap that bitch on there and when you tighten that ball, it doesn't even like it's fucking holds itself up no problem.

Yeah like it's, it's nice and it's stable.

Like to lean on it.

It's got the the fatter carbon legs on it.

So it's and like rubber bases on it.

And what really sold me on it is the engineering behind the the tripod.

Like I've taken it apart but like I watched the fucking videos, the breakdown of it and why they did certain things and like.

You can pull that center column comes out fucking in a second, you can fucking unscrew it, and that tripod will completely pan out right flat so you can shoot fucking prone off of it.

And I was like, yeah, sign me up.

Like it's, I don't know.

And I don't get me wrong.

Like once you get into that price range and it it wasn't even that pricey that I don't think it was I.

Think the price is reasonable?

It, it ain't even fucking remotely close to what the outdoorsman fucking Carbon was.

That's like fucking $1200 more or something stupid.

Like that's, that's a little ridiculous.

But yeah, it's priced very fucking well.

But the engineering behind it, man, is, you know, I really like it.

I think it's a fucking wicked bang for your buck too.

Like it isn't a budget tripod by no means, but what you're getting out of it is the fucking highest end I believe.

You know, compare with anything else on the market for sure.

Yeah, I don't know what the.

I was just going to look with the price.

I can't remember now.

The prices were on it.

I got it here.

Oh, you got it there.

Yeah, well, Omer's a little bit more than what ASIAC.

So I think ASIAC is an American.

Yeah.

So like their Ridgeline is on sale for 297 American.

The back country I'm just going to go to fucking yeah.

So then there front country is 322 American on sale.

The ball head is no ball head.

Separate ball heads 118, OK.

Well, that's still pretty good.

The Backcountry in the Backcountry is like half the size.

It still expands out, but it's half the size that's 254 and then the Backcountry light ball head, which is still on a ball but quite a bit smaller and lighter is 6799.

So I mean, that's priced very fucking well.

Yeah.

And once you you look at these and handle the product, man, I'm, I know that fuck, I'm going to love this thing.

Like packing it, using it, especially with the spotter now, like, that's one thing.

I had a nice spotter.

It was heavy, but that shitty tripod, I had it thing just fucking hummed in the wind.

It didn't matter how much weight you hung off it.

It's just flimsy, Right.

So I'm super excited to pack this thing this year.

It's yeah, it's nice.

Yeah, it's gonna be good.

Well, I'm gonna tell a story about, I don't know what they call a situation that kind of unfolded this spring.

Yeah, I'll just start with that.

So I got a call from ACA, local CEO around here.

And when you get that call, or at least you first time really getting this call with any call like that, you answer and it says, you know, this is conservation officer.

Is this Devin gas off?

And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, you know, I just need to ask you a few questions, blah, blah, blah.

So I'm like, OK, sure.

And he's like it's regarding your 2023 stone sheep.

And I was like, OK, and that's the hunt with me and Matt.

So he explains a few things.

It's regarding your compulsory inspection.

We think there's false data on it.

And we're going to have to, you know, there's been a claim opened up from the conservation officer from that region.

But he contacted me seeing that you're from my region and was wondering if I could handle the case.

And he and he said, would you be fine with me handling the case opposed to him?

And I was like, yeah, absolutely sure he's OK.

So he's like, I'd like to meet at your residence and I have some questions to ask you and then we can go over details from there.

So I he did explain on the time of the call kind of what was it was about in regarding to.

So I wasn't like completely blind side or anything, but I was like pretty like nervous.

I would say like, what the fuck, right.

Like I'm like, this is so random.

So he comes to the house couple days later and you know, firstly before we go like official because he recorded everything for official.

He says, you know, it was regarding you guys, you, you posted a picture on Instagram and it was a picture of your tag and one of the the month wasn't cut in the picture with my tag.

And the CEO from that region saw that and I was like, oh, OK, I'm like, oh, it's cut.

I just must have posted it before I finish cutting or whatever.

So I had the tag and he's seen it and he's like, OK, yeah, that's fair.

And then he's like, so here's where it gets tricky.

And then we're recording.

Now he's asking me different questions because it's all on file.

And I have my CI paper, like my yellow carbon copy.

He's like, we're pretty sure.

And from your picture you posted in August and from the timeline and all the stories and the video, like a there's evidence of everything that we did.

We're pretty sure you killed your sheep in August.

And I'm like, well, I did kill my sheep in August.

And he's like, well, your CI report says September and your tags cut for August.

And I was like, yes, 100% August.

I think it's 24th or something.

Like that's when he's like, OK, great day.

Yeah, great day or something like that.

I don't know, 27th, whatever, it's around there.

And so we look and sure enough, my CI report says September.

I didn't fill that out, but it says September.

OK.

That's only #1 on this fucking compulsory inspection report, he goes on from this.

I'm like, there's more.

He's like, yeah, that's why we're doing this.

So then he's like the conservation officer from region seven knows where you got it from your, your video and stuff.

And I'm like, Oh yeah, it's not a, it's not really a secret.

I put it on the Internet.

He's like, well, we don't know if you put accurate depiction of the location you killed your sheep.

And I was like, OK, what do you mean?

He's like, well, the major landmark you put isn't exactly where you killed it.

And I was like, well, no, but it's the largest watershed or, you know, landmark that was close.

So they were kind of grinding my gears a bit on that.

And I was like, well, that's fucked up.

And like when I think about that, I'm like, you're going to give guys shit over this, but was I explained, so I'm a tradesman and, and in my trade we work in tolerance, right?

Like plus or minus a certain when was I told and I didn't, it wasn't a distance.

It was like 6 kilometers maybe as a crow flies, like walking distance.

The thing I picked, you know what I mean?

And A and a major.

And a major.

That's a major watershed.

So I picked and there so I was like, well, I can change it right now if you want, you know, on and the things that go no, just wanted to double check.

And I'm like, OK, He's like, really?

Why we asked that part on the white copy of your CI report, There was no or the longitude and latitude was wrote down once, then it was crossed out, then it was wrote down again.

And then I look on my yellow page with him.

There's nothing wrote on my yellow page.

So the CI guy didn't write the longitude down at the time and then did it wrong once and then did it whatever again.

So there's just all this like mismatched information.

So, you know, in the start of this, he explained to me.

So for you listening like what one of the questions people probably wondering what's the punishment for something like this?

So basically what I was being not charged with, but what I was being questioned about was falsifying ACI document, right?

Official government compulsory inspection report.

So he said right out the get go.

He explained to me that you know, minimum if you are found guilty, minimum is like a $250 fine I believe he said.

But the maximum is a 2 year suspension from hunting.

Yeah, that's fine.

I don't know.

Go on, 'cause like I, I'm flabbergasted about that.

Like.

So in the end, so firstly, let's just say I, I didn't get charged anything.

Actually in the end, they they got all their things in a row.

They realized it was, I didn't claim to anything wrong.

I didn't give false information or none of that.

And I wasn't given a warning.

It's not on my record like it's clean is what I was told.

So great, you know, that's good.

Now, what I take away from this, and this is kind of the important part, and then you can touch on your thoughts.

I know you have some thoughts on how this all transpired.

But if you're listening to this and you're someone who's going to hunt in areas with CI reports, what you need to learn from this and what I've learned from this is we are, and maybe I'm just dumb, but we are fully responsible for signing that document and all the information put on it, even if we didn't fill it out.

So check that everything's filled out, double check it's the right information and all that stuff.

Like check it with your tag, like everything in line because our signature, that's what I was told.

It's a government document.

You signed it, it's my responsibility, which I would say that's been a grain of salt because they also the CI guys going to probably get a little smack on the wrist for this as well.

But that's what I took away from it.

Like he wouldn't have been getting his license stripped.

I would have been.

Yeah, the repercussions of, but it the, the thing with the CI is like, OK, mandatory CI report, but they don't go into any other detail on that, right.

Like like I've lots of stuff, I got CI right.

And some of them might have to really search to actually find the CI papers like they're in a filing cabinet or a drawer somewhere for some of the stuff.

But you're like, I've never even fucking looked at that.

He signed it, and I fucking throw it in the glove box and I fucking grab my shit and leave.

Right.

Like the importance of even keeping that paper.

I know you're supposed to keep it, and you're supposed to keep your tags now.

But ten years ago, I didn't know that.

My dad didn't tell me that.

The people I haunted with didn't fucking tell me that.

Like, once you got that, that means you were good to go.

And you fucking yeah.

Move on.

Yeah, like I know guys staple it to the back of their mouths or wherever, but you know, like I got my Grizzly CI, but I don't have that mounted or anything like that.

Like that's in a fucking file folder in the filing cabinet.

And that was fucking over a decade ago too, right.

So yeah, the end.

Another thing too, I feel like they're they're definitely the CE OS are watching the fucking videos online and and scouring the Internet for stuff.

So, you know, not, I'm not saying fucking hide your stuff, but at the same time like, you know, you should have cut that before you posted a picture of it.

Shouldn't have.

Yeah, 100.

Percent.

And it is that the fucking end of the world?

No.

Did you poach it?

No.

Like is are they fucking picking fucking hairs here?

Yeah.

Well, you know what I did.

If that if that what prompted him to fucking dig into this, to dig into the CI report like.

That's what's weird is like what?

What was the prompt?

Was it the other cut tag thing?

And then he just like, oh, I know that area, so I'm gonna curiously see what the report said.

And then just so happened that one report was terribly filled out.

Yeah, like I, what are you, what are you getting out of that like?

Well, I mean it goes 100% back to the two other things that have happened in the last two years.

I would say also like with Alpine carnivore and I don't remember the other one.

The guys from the coast.

There Yeah, the the this spring just got nailed same thing right.

Like they're obviously as they should be on high alert for any criminal stuff with this, but it's like, yeah, they're definitely looking looking fine tooth.

Yeah, yeah.

And I don't like the CEO services.

They were always undermanned for years, like when we were kids growing up.

You've never seen one.

But I believe with the new government, like they've, they've got some serious funding now.

They've opened up a lot more power to them.

And rightfully so, man.

Like it's a dangerous job, you know, and you're protecting natural resource.

So I got no issue with that at all.

But it's just it's odd that like he watched the video, look this up, found the picture and then dug into the CI report and like that just seems like a lot of work for illegal RAM.

Yeah, you know for sure.

And then though, yeah, the Flack to come back to you and the threaten with take your license away for two years.

I would be like, well, I didn't.

Yeah, OK, maybe you fucking signed it and you didn't read the document.

But you know at work, like when you sign the safety fucking, you don't read the fucking fine print.

You know when you're signing all your documents for your mortgage?

Like you're reading the major captions, but you're not reading the fucking tiny fine print, so.

But it really goes to show like fuck man, watch it.

Yeah, a good learning experience.

Yeah.

Don't trust, don't rely on someone else.

You're talking about the how much funding and the CIS get or like how they're being managed nowadays.

Maybe it's getting better and maybe it is and, and I hope it does.

I was talking to the CEO and I was just curious.

We were just bullshitting a bit.

And so I was like, what do you work for, like shifts and stuff?

And yeah, 'cause I assume they just had like stagger shifts for the weekends and they don't even do that.

So like the way their agency works is like they just run Monday to Friday in this area.

Like they don't have one guy running like Saturday that whatever and then another guy running Sunday or whatever.

So I'm like the busiest time of the the fucking year on the weekends.

Could there could be no Co on shift technically unless they pick up like an OT shift or something.

Well, I.

I feel like any Co I've ran into is on the weekend though.

What's that's what I think it's kind of like probably up to them.

I imagine they probably get a certain amount of hours a week that they can put in for and then you pick your poison, I'd imagine.

But he would.

I mean, if that's what he told you, then yeah.

But at any time I've ever been stopped, it's, well, 90% of time it's on a weekend.

So yeah, same.

But maybe it's different in region to region too.

It could be just don't have enough down in our region.

Manpower too, yeah.

Like it might be that well, while we're on a the CEO discussion and the Sling blades themselves, there was a a new new news article out in the recent this month, I believe, around the Alpine carnivore.

If you guys haven't heard it, I always like to, you know, bring the listeners up to speed on some of the fucking trending news.

So if you haven't heard about the the next steps of what Alpine carnivore got up to what happened was he alleged, yeah, alleged in a lawsuit that the conservation officer carried out a harassment campaign against him.

So he filed A lawsuit saying that that CEO was hit a harassment campaign.

So what the details are there and I'm not sure if it explains it, but basically the BC conservation officer denied allegations from hunting show host.

So the call the conservation officer sued for 2.4 million by the hunting TV show host.

So that's how much Alpine tried to sue the conservation officer for 2.4 million.

He has denied allegations that he maliciously and compulsively harassed the hunter, causing him to lose his YouTube channel and sponsorships.

It goes on.

I don't really know what the details were around it, but what a fucking cunt.

Like, and I don't know, like you, we've talked about this before.

You know, guys can power trip and do things, but I don't know what this guy.

I'm glad that it got fucking thrown out.

Yeah, well, it seems, I mean, I've heard some stories of guys like from cops or from whoever, like getting harassed that they don't like you or they got a vendetta against you.

But I mean, they've all, they got this guy on a few different charges.

So they've been building this for a while.

So.

And that's kind of like the same the guys from Vancouver that got hammered this winter or whenever the fuck it was like the one guy's got a shit ton of charges on him.

Like they've they've been watching you for a while.

If that's the case, they're building a case on you.

So it's probably by the time they pull the pin on you.

I feel like they've they would have to have you dead to rights.

So I don't understand what your argument is.

I mean, for him to to try to do this, obviously he felt feels wronged or he feels like he's guilty out of Earth.

Sorry, innocent.

Yeah, I don't know, it just seems like a fucking a shot at the darkest, maybe to get out of some hot water, but I don't know how how to take that.

That's a pretty hefty fucking lawsuit though, right?

Like like trying anyways.

Yeah, I mean he got subsequently over the two year investigation, it resulted in more than $25,000 in fines against the couple.

So him and his wife after the seizure of unlawfully killed wildlife at six locations in both provinces.

So.

That's crazy, even.

Come more.

So yeah, it's yeah.

Fuck him.

Yes.

And I'm glad to see how didn't get sued in a sense, because I think it would have been bullshit.

We never know, you know, like you said, not really a place that I know much about.

Yeah, Yeah.

I don't want to talk too in depth on that because there is people that power trip and then there's people that are doing their job and I don't know, everyone's different.

So it's yeah, either way, the fact that he, if he did do all this stuff, that's super fucking shitty and it's a bad fucking, it's a bad rap for the hunting community, that's for sure.

On the brighter news, you finished up the elk video.

We got it out there.

Three weeks ago now, I think.

Yeah, yeah, probably.

It's funny, like a lot of a lot has happened since we last actually recorded.

So we're talking about some stuff that actually has been out for a while.

But I think he did a fucking wicked job on it, man.

Like that's that's all Dev.

And he spent a shit ton of time.

We had a ton of video for you to edit and mix together and I think he did a bang up job man.

Yeah, thanks.

I like I said it a few times and I really enjoyed doing it.

That's it's a love hate relationship with making these videos with taking these videos with that, that's part of it.

And even posting them, like you still go back and forth whether you wanna put stuff out there and why you put stuff out there.

Like honestly, like it's still I, I like doing it in the end.

And that's ultimately what what really matters is I like seeing it.

I like watching it myself.

I enjoy that other people, you know, give us good feedback on it too.

So that, that's nice.

I think our content is a little bit different than what's out there too.

It's a little more raw.

It's a little more real.

Like we're, you know, we're having fun with it and we're doing our best there.

But it's, yeah, it was, it's funny.

I was putting it together and, you know, you're clipping and you're trimming and you start putting it out.

I'm like, man, I'm not even till like like Kurt's not even in the video yet.

And I'm 29 minutes into it or whatever.

And I'm like fuck.

And there's all the action that comes when you get there and, and in the end I because I, you go into it and I go maybe I'll do like a 40 minute video or maybe I'll do 2 or maybe I'll do this.

And it ended up being, you know, over an hour and, or whatever it ended up being.

And I was like, fuck it.

Like it is what it is.

Like I want all that.

I didn't want to trim out too much more.

I tried to trim out, you know, any excess hiking or any excess stuff, but it was just, I felt like it didn't need less for what I wanted to put out.

And yeah, I just ended up sending it with a little bit longer version and learned a lot in the process.

And I think we really help with future videos that I plan on doing.

Yeah, sorry, just getting a text.

No, it's a fucking shit ton of work you put in, man.

It's I wouldn't want to do it.

I battle with fucking editing the podcast someday, so I couldn't imagine trying to make a fucking video.

But it's hard to.

Like when we had Greg on, we talked to him after talk about how like he takes those hunts and breaks him into like 3 episodes.

But it's I mean, he's got ATV show and all that shit.

I watching YouTube for an hour and a half sometimes it's fucking hard to do, but I enjoy it when I'm like working out or like night shift is awesome.

I love it that obviously, but no.

And you get to tell the whole story when you see some of these ones that are like 10 minutes, 9 minutes, 15 minutes, like you're blowing through the whole hunt so fast that you, the people watching, I feel like don't even get a feel for what it actually is.

Like, you know, you, you do the the highs and the lows of failing and then succeeding and then working your fucking Dick off all day.

And then like elk hunting, I find is really hard where it's like you almost need a third person cameraman the whole time.

Like your your job is to fucking record because to get in a bold bugling and you have to be mobile when you're elk hunting.

Like you can't sit in one fucking spot and expect the fucking thing to just walk right up to you and you pull the trigger like a primos fucking video.

Like Doug, that does work sometimes, but I've never seen the fucking that hasn't happened for me.

Not a legal one anyways.

And so you have to play the wind.

You have to play the animal.

You get the everything right when the challenge and when the fucking back off.

It's too much of A chess game to just sit up and hopefully you get a fucking nice video of a kill shot.

Like it's super fucking hard.

And at the end of the day, do we, if we get a kill shot, I don't give a fuck.

Like I don't have $1,000,000 contract to get a kill shot.

No, like getting the fucking out killed is the number one priority.

So if you miss it, you miss it.

I don't fucking give a rat's ass like but.

I'd like to work on that like that's a goal of mine is not kill shots, but more the emotion or when we, you know, get into the kills and stuff like that.

Like that's the hardest time to do it and I just want to improve on it.

I don't want to make it like a over like I over focus on it and and ruin a hunt, but I do want to try to, you know, capture a little bit more of that.

Those are like the best moments to capture, like the raw motion of the shooter and the and things like that.

It's not so much the kill shot, it's just kind of that whole scenario and when it happens the.

The seconds after, yeah, you make a kill shot when you look back at whoever your partner partners and you're just like, oh fuck, he's down right.

Or like for you, like I would have liked to get your face 'cause you're like, you fucking dumped him, man.

He went over fucking backwards like you crushed him.

And I was like, yeah, I, I thought I'd seen it, but like, you're watching in the vinyls, right?

So like, I'm fucking pulled the trigger and I just seen his antlers flash up and that was it.

So.

But yeah, like, that's, it's just a such a raw reaction that you can't duplicate it.

It happens one time and that's it.

So.

But it's hard.

Like sheep hunting is different.

Yeah.

If you're, you know, long bombing something, you get the phone set up on the spotter like we did with your sheep.

Like that's fucking awesome you got the time to set up right where elk hunting man.

Like those encounters are fucking close night like mine was.

Quick.

It was like boom, first light and it was a long ways away.

Like if Matt or someone was with us, we definitely would have been able to get that on camera.

But the fact that he just walked out, I'm like, I ain't fucking waiting for shit like this thing.

If he's legal, it's no, fuck no.

Wasn't even thinking about it at all.

So, but it's hard because, you know, with two guys, one guy's calling 1 setting up to shoot and you got to count fucking points, let alone try to get it on fucking camera.

Yeah, you know, it's something to work on.

Like it, it's be sweet to to try to do more.

But like you got to have a camera set up ready almost on a tripod.

It's just one less fucking thing to deal with for.

Sure.

Yeah, well, I'm going to keep picking away at it.

I do like doing them and I I'm going to keep working and getting better at it.

And it doesn't have to be perfect, that's not the point.

It's just capturing it.

It's capturing the story, I think.

We've done a pretty good job of that so far.

Well, for a bunch of fucking, you know, rednecks.

Not even if I'm going to call us rednecks.

Blue collar folk.

Simple folk tradesmen, you know.

Stupid fucking tradesman.

Yeah, You know, this, this is a hobby, not a full time job for us and the people where this is their full time job, they got the cameraman and the good cameras and all the gear.

You know, for us this is just shit on the side and fun.

For us, getting an animal killed is more important than getting it on camera.

So, and we're going to continue to do that too.

Speak about fucking kill shots or do you want to?

Do you get any touch more on?

That that's where that's where I was going.

So kill shots like, you know, we talked about it before I dumped my elk full frontal with that 300 PRC Barnes LRX 200 game and someone messaged, messaged you, Yeah.

After the video went out.

Yeah, so about like weight retention of those barns because like, I'm a big fucking fan of them.

Yeah, in the video he's we have that clip where we when we flipped them over and we were skinning them out, that fucking bullet was lodged in the hide and we picked it out.

So if you haven't seen the video, just go and check it.

Check it out.

Like we pulled that solid copper out and it and the guy messaged saying like, fuck, I've been running these and I've been trying to tell my buddies to move to him.

Like do you know how much any asks the question?

How much does it weigh?

And I was like, oh, like, how much retention did it keep?

And I'm like, I don't know.

I'll see if Kurt still has it and he'll fucking wait.

So so Devin told me that.

So I had to do some digging.

I ended up finding it and I threw it on the fucking scale.

I got like a little tiny food scale, threw it on there and it came up as 12.9 and I was like, OK, whatever.

Like told Devin what it weighed and then I looked and like what are these things fucking weigh like factory Barnes LRX 200 grain and it did 12.9 grams by the way.

So coming up comes up from fucking Barnes as 12.96g and mine like my scale doesn't go to the 100th decimal.

So like 12 points.

That's pretty much 100% weight retention.

Full frontal shot right through on the hide in the fucking like the hind quarter area, full weight retention.

So the proof is in the fucking pudding on those cock suckers.

They fucking hit hard and they stay together and they're accurate.

That's what I like is that they fucking those things are tack driver bullets.

Yeah, no, 100%.

And that's let's let's use this to tie right into our our next topic here, which I don't know what to call it.

But in the hunting space, I guess, or industry right now, I've seen a lot of content.

I mean I've listened to podcast and and follow a lot of people and there's a ton of content and a ton of people talking about the lower Cal guns, like the lower Cal magnums like the 65 Creed Mars, the 65 PRC's like all this stuff and really pumping the.

Are those magnums the PRC?

Are they?

But I don't know.

Are they considered a Magnum I?

I'm not sure I.

I don't shoot 1 so important, but and it got Curt and I talking about it.

I mean, you've heard us on here.

We're pretty much magnum guys.

I mean mainly 30 Cal.

We just started shooting the seven PRC's and weirdest.

Well, it kind of came up because that Adam Grande, he was on a show and he said something on a podcast that I was like, fucking right.

That's exactly what it is.

And he was like, no one wants to fucking say it.

Call a spade a spade.

He said something like this where it was like, guys are just scared of fucking recoil.

Like don't tell me.

It's just he's like, it's 30 Cal or nothing in his mind, right?

So that kind of got me thinking.

And then I was like, yeah, that's probably exactly what it is.

And they're just justifying it by saying what's way more accurate than the magnums.

It's not accurate it's just people say shootability.

Shootability.

I can watch my target hit in the scope when I pull the trigger and yeah it it comes down.

Honestly.

Like don't get me wrong, they're probably a dream to fucking shoot.

I bought a 243 back in the day because my 300 ROM was too expensive to shoot for fun and like you shoot that thing all fucking day and your 300 rum, you shoot a box of that, your shoulder sore.

You know, you shoot a fucking box 300 wisdom or A300 win Meg in a fucking tikka, your fucking shoulder is fucking sore.

I don't give a fuck who you are.

You got the purple blood blisters up there.

If you're shooting them fucking right, you're not squeezing the living fuck out of it, you know, like it's not an enjoyable fucking thing.

But when it comes to the hunting scenarios, there's no replacement for a displacement.

Like you're going to shoot it with a fucking pin or you're going to shoot it with a fucking hammer.

I'll pick the hammer all fucking day.

You know, it's, it's the, they them fucking shooters that like the, the smaller pea shooters where they can.

And yeah, they always say, oh, the Ballistics, the Ballistics are better.

OK, Well fucking honest to God, how many of you fucking guys have shot something outside of 600 fucking yards?

Like competition shooters, maybe they're long bombing guys are shooting targets and steal out to 1000 yards.

But if you're in a real legit hunting scenario, I've killed one animal outside of 500 yards and there's a lot of animals on that fucking list that are inside 100 yards.

You know, I've shot shit through fucking trees.

I've shot shit fucking in wind.

It doesn't fucking matter, you know?

I've made shitty shots, but the animals fucking died because I hit them with a fucking sledgehammer, not a fucking Pebble.

Grow a pair.

Well, and that's I think that's the big thing is like I keep hearing it where it's like, I don't care if you shoot one.

Like I don't give a fuck if you can be a killer with a 65, that's fine.

But I don't like the fact that it's saying like don't shoot the 30 cows and you don't need to shoot them and blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, that's not a boat need.

It's more about like, you can shoot them.

You don't have to tell guys they have to shoot the small calibers.

Like that's kind of what it feels like.

It's like they're just saying like maybe they're trying to justify the fact that they can't, they can't get behind a magnum.

Like they just scared.

And I get it, like, yeah, 100%.

But just say it that way.

I shoot this because I'm scared to shoot a magnum, not because it's a more shootable gun.

I mean, that is what they're saying, but you know what I mean?

Like I can't shoot a magnum.

I flinch.

OK, then you probably shouldn't shoot a magnum and it probably will fuck you up.

Like, yeah.

Like fuck up, you're shooting just for sure.

Be honest with it.

That's what I'm saying.

Like I just think it's funny that you're just, you're kind of just being a pussy about it and not owning the fact that you can't shoot a 300 like it's OK.

The fucking thing is we're talking about it.

Like, I didn't shoot awesome when I used to shoot a 300 ROM Remington, but I shot pretty damn good and I could still shoot far with it and I didn't like shooting it 20 shells through it, but I could.

Also.

It's that mental thing where you just put it out of your head for a few seconds and shoot the fucking thing.

Yeah, that's how it is.

The first box of shells, not even the first box.

The first couple clips of shells of the season when with my Tikka and even the rum, like you know, you'd, you'd load it, put the safety on and then you fucking jerk the fuck out of the trigger, put the safeties on and you just right away like you fucking pussy, pussy fucking take it like a man.

So you're like all right, safety off.

And the next one man like you barely even hold on to that gun and you just take that cunt right to the fucking collarbone of the shoulder.

Fuck.

And that's how I used to shoot.

Like I went out shooting lots by myself with my ticket.

Like before our first sheep hunt I and even before that, like I was in the, you know, long range and stuff.

Like I was goat hunting and stuff.

And that 300 short mega, I had it hopped up pretty good.

It had a good kick, no muzzle brake, and I knew it wasn't bad, but I like I knew it kicked decent.

And every time I arranged practice, though, I was like, if you can't suck this up for fucking, you know, a few seconds every time you shoot it and shoot it properly, then you shouldn't shoot it at all.

Like I literally, you know, talk myself through it to make sure that.

And then once I did that enough, you just got used to it.

You just like who gives a fuck?

Like it's not the end of the world.

So it's funny that these guys get it so in their head, and I'm not really saying shoot a big caliber, I'm just saying don't judge the guys that shoot big caliber 'cause that's what it feels like you're doing, being like I you guys only need those 'cause you can't shoot.

It's like, no, it's because yeah, I like throwing a fucking sledgehammer too, 'cause it's fucking sweet.

And like, I think I've heard guys around the industry say it like you can't be more dead like.

Yeah, yeah, like fuck, I've had hunters wound animals like like even smaller 30 cows, like 3 O eights hunting moose and stuff like yeah, you can fucking kill them.

Guys used to shoot them with thirty 30s.

But I, I do not like chasing wounded shit and I've wounded shit just from like fucking throwing out shots, like not having a good setup, whatever.

But fuck you you you've got a better chance of retrieving that animal when you hit it with a 200 grain 30 Cal.

Then you do a fucking one fucking 25 grain, fucking 6.5 or whatever the fuck the lesbians are shooting.

Yeah, well, you can put it in the context too.

I know these guys don't live.

Half these guys talking about this don't live in fucking northern BC where they have the well they might have probably will have to fend off a grizzly bear.

Like, OK, you live in fucking the states where there's no Grizzlies and you're just honey meal deer in antelope.

OK, Like I'm a little bit more like, yeah, it doesn't fuck.

Like I probably wouldn't shoot a 300 PRC there.

Maybe like if those are the only animals I'm hunting.

Yeah, I get it.

But we're the guys from up here are hearing this.

You guys are the fucking top podcasts in the world, like for hunting and you're talking all the shit and people take it for fucking, you know, the that's what you got to run.

So they're gonna go to northern BC and they're going to have fucking 6 grizzly bears around their sheep camp.

And that's why I like packing a fucking 300 with 200 grain LRX.

Not because I think I need 200 grains to kill a fucking stone sheep.

Like.

That's not what we're saying.

It's 1 gun that you can fucking do everything with and or you shoot a deer with that fucking 300 win or a 300 PRC you're just going to wreck the meat and all fuck like you're going to blow it in half.

It's like, no mother fucker, you shoot that thing in the lungs or the fucking heart or the base of the fucking neck, like it's fucking dead, DED, dead.

Like fucking like, yeah, it's when you watch that thing fucking flip over backwards and it dies in its tracks.

Like if I was an animal to get fucking shot, I sure as fuck don't want a fucking pinhole that's a little bit back and I'm fucking alive for two days.

I want to get fucking my fucking heart grenaded in and out like and die instantly.

That was me so for sure.

And you shoot a fucking shoot a fucking grizzly bear, man.

Like you can't shoot him now, but like, I shot that fucking grizzly bear 4 fucking times right in the boiler room at 200 yards and that mother fucker did not fucking just tip over and die.

It sat there and tore the fucking entire root system up.

Everything within 10 feet around it was shredded.

And the meanwhile I'm running back to my truck.

Fuck 'cause I didn't have any more bullets like and that thing didn't.

If that thing knew where I was at or if that thing was coming in hot, your 65 is gonna glance off that fucking thing.

Or even if you shot it in the heart, it's gonna put a fucking pin and all that thing's not gonna die for minutes.

So if you're planning to do a fucking Northern hunter, even black bears, man, if you don't make a good shot on them, like they're gonna fucking rip you to pieces before that fucking 65 is gonna fucking do something to it, right?

Yeah.

So 6 fives are great guns.

They're they fucking shoot phenomenal.

They have great Ballistics.

They're easy to fucking shoot.

Like I would buy A-65 for my daughter when she's like wants to fucking start shooting guns.

Like but if you're fucking in a legit real hunting scenario where you're in Bush and there is predator possibility of encounters, like why fuck around?

Yeah, just because you fucking you like to tuck your balls between your legs and drive a fucking probably a Tesla or Prius.

Like that's fine, but be prepared to get chewed on.

Potentially, you know, Yeah alright, I've been getting out hiking quite a bit.

So I've had the exo on with 4050 lbs in it quite a few trails now and it's I think the foams 'cause it takes a bit for the foam to like mold and shit and it's fuck super good so far.

Like I know that there's a lot of a lot more testing to do to it, but I was, yeah, I'm I'm really liking everything about it so far.

Nice man.

Yeah, like if, if I'm glad that you find that you've been talking about one for years, so I'm glad that you're actually going to put it to use this year and you got one and what?

All it's going to do is make me want to buy one, unfortunately.

But no, man.

It's.

Yeah.

Like the reviews and the raves and the people that use them, like the bona fide killers that are packing big shit out all the time.

Like I don't think there's anything that really comes close to like to the reviews anyways.

Anyone that owns one, they just like fuck it beats everything on the fucking market.

Well, and that'll be the test rate.

Like to actually a pack out is always the ultimate where you have to stretch your gear off of the frame.

You got to have that big long awkward load on it and go for a long time.

I mean it's never going to be good, but I just want to see if it's better.

Yeah, for sure, man.

So that's, that's all it is.

So it's good.

I'm happy right now.

It's pretty, pretty stoked on it.

I'm hope it's going to be wicked for a trip this year.

Nice.

Yeah, I'm a little bit jealous 'cause I'm still rocking the old Kuyu, which is done many fucking trips with it, packed lots of shit out.

So I mean, it gets a trick done, but or gets a job done, but does the trick.

Does the trick.

Yeah, whatever.

You know what the fuck I'm saying.

Since we talked, I, it's funny, I was we were talking, I wanted to get like a pack frame just to leave in the boat on our Hut.

And I fucking ended up finding one for fucking peanuts.

Exactly what I wanted to Tonka the V2 fucking pack system.

And yeah, this thing is like it was brand new mint.

It was covered in dust and dog hair and it looked like it just bounced in someone's garage.

Like there's some scuffs on the frame where it looks like someone was just sitting on it.

Yeah, and the like the bag was it just looked ugly and gross.

I I work.

I threw it in the fucking washing machine at work, came out.

It's absolutely meant like the foam on the shoulders and the hips, there's not even broken in.

They're like stiff as brand new.

Yeah.

So I was like, fucking score, man.

That's sweet.

Yeah, so.

That'll be wicked to have just if we wax something big by the boat.

Yeah, well, even like the one night shift, I've sent you some pictures.

Like I built, I brought the tugger in and I built a little framework that it bolts to the bottom of the fucking winch.

Is that what you use when the wife's not home?

Yeah, well, that's I got 2 tuggers on me, but so the winch, I built a little plate that goes inside the frame on the bottom and it pinches the frame with the winch.

Yeah.

So like I threw that on there, a guy could throw that and then the fucking rope on it, man.

And it's the winch isn't anything.

It's like 30 lbs, but if you got to pack it with one fucking hand going through brush, that can suck Dick, right?

So here you slap it on the frame, pack, go fucking drag your moose or your elk, whatever out to wherever you got to get it to.

So I'm super pumped just to have that in the boat and even local hunting man.

Like, you know, lots of times you got to pack a fucking deer or something like that.

So it's nice to have a good solid frame like that that you can just throw in the back of the truck.

And it's it's not a fucking $1000 backpack either, right?

Cost me fuck off.

So yeah, pretty pumped about that.

Not something that I needed, but something I definitely wanted for a few years for sure.

Yeah.

So yeah, right on one little kind of the last little debate we were talking lots about knives and final harnesses and hiking and.

And you asked me the question of why do people put their knife.

You see guys that pack the skeleton knives and they put him on the vinyl harness.

Yeah, or they're right on their strap.

They're like, you know, right over the heart there with the knife facing down, sitting there at the ready.

Yeah, John Rambo style.

Pretty much.

Yeah, and I've, I've tried, I've said to the same.

I've seen people fucking do it on the Gram and hunting videos.

And then I saw it through that one knife from Tanner, that skeleton knife on there.

You know, if you need a knife fucking handy, you pop it off right there.

Kind of makes sense.

The big one, like that longer bladed one was pain in the Dick 'cause it was just too big to sit there.

Yeah, but like, you're not gonna pack.

I don't think you're gonna pack like a normal handled knife there.

Like I think like a skeletal small skeleton knife.

If you needed a fucking knife handy quick or something.

But I don't know, like you're you were kind of questioned and I was like, well, it it is handy if you needed a knife or something quick, but other than that, it does kind of get in the way.

And I think people just like the look the same as what can hang in the in reach off your fucking shoulder strap.

Yeah, for sure.

I think people think it's safer or something.

I'm like, come on, like maybe I guess we get trapped underneath something.

You could get to it.

I don't fucking know.

I guess I just don't prep like that or I don't think like that.

Having the in reach right there.

Well, it's probably because you're packing a 30 Cal, you know, you, you packing that 65, you might want it on hand for when you put 6 little bullets in that fucking bear and he's still chewing on you.

You're going to need to hit that SOS real fucking fast, right?

Yeah.

That's a good thing.

We should probably look at that.

We should have a a study that says the amount of guys that pack the in reach on their shoulder and the amount of guys that shoot a 65.

It's probably almost hand in hand.

It's.

Probably pretty relevant actually, yeah.

Yeah, the knife, the knife up there, I don't know, I guess it's it was just more of like, I just see it a lot and you're seeing like skeleton eyes knives, which if you think so we were told once to pack.

Like I remember someone like our uncles or I don't know who, but said something like, yeah, you always wanna have a a knife somewhere in case a bear jumps on you, then you can at least stab them or something like that.

Like I remember this.

I don't know who said it and as a kid or whatever, but they also caviar that with it should be a Shank knife, like a solid Shank through a.

Solid tank.

Yeah, yeah, solid tank.

So you can jab.

You got a fucking skeleton.

Like those skeleton ones, whether they're Frontiersmen or any of those ones, they're not like they don't have like a big, what is it called?

Like the part between the knife blade and the handle.

When they're like like quite a bit, you can push your hand against them.

I don't know what they call that part, but.

There's a name for it.

Yeah, there's a name for it, but those ones are usually pretty pretty small and dainty.

And you, if you jam, you'd probably push your hand up the fucking knife.

You would for sure, or the knife would break itself.

I just like man, most of the most guys, most hunters, most outdoorsmen, we all have some fucking nice little pocket knife too.

So I always have a pocket knife.

If I need a knife to cut my fucking food open or do things, I always have a nice little pocket knife.

So I just, I'm just being a bit fucking judgy.

I just see it and I'm like, why are we always like, I've never carried my, my knife is in my fucking kill kit.

Like it's in the bottom of my backpack.

So I don't know, I'm just, I'm just curious.

Just being a bit of a Dick about it too, I guess.

But I just like the fuck.

And you know what, it's probably advertising.

Like most of the guys I'm probably seeing or sponsored or they get these knives, so they're probably advertising them.

So it's like, OK, that's probably also what it is.

But yeah, I think it's for the gram.

Yeah, I guess.

Flashy orange.

Yeah, it shows up there.

Looks good in the picture.

You know, everyone can see that you got a nice skeleton knife strapped to your your backpack.

Yeah, just in case something walks out, you can stick it with that 2 inch blade.

So I don't know.

But even the skeleton knives, I don't care for a ton.

Yeah, they're they're light and whatnot, but they're not good to process an animal.

I don't think they're built to process an animal either.

Like no, you know, deboning caping, yeah maybe I guess.

But I always pack a solid tank knife with me no matter what.

And like, I tend to just fucking run a shitty cheap one just and they don't hold their edge, but you can just bring a cheap little sharpener and touch them up all the time, you know?

Packing a nice knife or expensive 1 is great, but I'd fucking be crying if I lost a $500 knife too.

Or if I lost a fucking $50 buck knife, I don't give a fuck.

I'll go over Canadian Tire about another one.

Like I don't give a shit.

So I don't know.

I just make sure I always have a solid Tang knife in my backpack no matter what, whether it's going to the fucking tree stand or whatever, right.

So it's just when you're processing animals and you got to cut through bone and you know, like I fucking cut legs off at the fucking knee knuckle.

You're, you're fucking digging in the bone non-stop there.

You'll take your edge off skin in a fucking moose or cutting a moose.

Like I'll touch that knife up like 5-6 times for sure.

And you don't want to do with a Havilon because you'll snap the fucking blades off.

And then you got razor blade buried somewhere in the carcass, covered in blood, usually at night with the fucking headlamp, which is not good either, right?

So I think it's just a fucking a visual fad that someone's seen on ATV show or a fucking something once.

And then they did it and their fucking friends did it and their friends did it.

They all jumped in their Subarus and drove home and.

Shot their six fives.

Yeah.

Gay gay.

All.

Right.

Well, I think that's all I got for this episode.

Yeah, All right.

That's it, man.

I'm LEHS are out.

We didn't touch say that, did we?

No.

Yeah, they came out last week or this, I don't know, right before May long.

Friday, Friday before May long.

Yeah.

And then I think it's a short window.

They have to be in mid June or something.

Yeah, we got to get well.

Fuck, I would fucking hope so.

Yeah, fuck.

So it's every year we fucking bitch about this.

Like it's kind of fucking dumb.

Why wait till now?

Like put it in January and close it in fucking March for everything.

Then you can plan everything man like.

It's a broken you're not gonna get.

It's like because like who the fuck do we even advocate this to?

No one, exactly.

Fuck, you tell this to where where's like maybe you can we're just so fucking stupid, but I don't know where the fuck do you actually say anything to like say hey, do you guys want to see improvements in anything?

Yeah.

Can we apply for LEH January 30th and get him out in March like?

Yeah, I'd love to see that.

And the fact that they went electronic should mean it should just be like, boom, boom, boom, spit it out.

Yeah, like.

They're gonna say what's 'cause we're collecting all that data, Yeah, yeah, all that fucking biology data that you're barely funding and barely fucking giving any fucking like support to.

And that you don't follow.

Yeah fucks.

Yeah fucking fucking NDPS.

Look, we circled all the way back to fucking politics.

Started with.

Me finished with it.

Yeah, perfect.

Well, I'm done.

I got nothing else to say.

All right, OK.

Hope you guys enjoyed the show and good luck in your spring seasons.

I gave from.

The moon desert on my hands, strong like a tree.

There's roots where I stand.

Oh, I've been running from the lawn.

Hope they won't shoot me down soon.

They seem going to sleepless nights try to catch me.