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Hello, friends, and welcome to this episode of the Star Wars Generation's podcast.

Today, Friends, you get to time travel because for the last two weeks you've been hearing past Matthew, a very different entity, telling you their thoughts about and Or, and you've been listening to that with some of my older hosts.

Although last week's episode did include new to the podcast, Aaron McGowan.

Now you have the Matthew of Today April the second, along with the Alex of Today, also April the second.

We've not yet figured out how to time travel cross podcasting streams, but we're all here today to talk about and Or season two.

What do we know from season one?

What do we know from what we've heard about is coming?

All the things we're excited for, all the things we might be trepidacious about, all the things you need to know to get ready to watch what I hope is going to be another fantastic Star Wars series.

So, Alex, when you start us saying hello and tell us a little bit about how are you feeling as we were like two weeks out, three weeks out from and Or season two?

Yeah, before I start that, Matthew how do we feel about me?

Including information from the trailers?

Nay or yeay?

No, this is going to be I've decided that with primer episodes, if we're gonna do a primer, we should talk about the trailers.

So I did watch.

I wanted to hear about some of the trailers from you.

But I did watch the look behind the scenes video that's on Disney Plus for and Or two.

And I also have been seeing a lot of commentary by people online, So yeah, I'm ready for it.

Spoil away.

I always just double check because Matthew is a purist and doesn't all you love trailers, which I respect very heavily.

So but yeah, I am very stoked.

So I just rewatched and Or season one for the first time.

I don't think I actually watched the whole show all the way back to front or front to back, all the way through since it first came out, and it got me very excited for the new season.

I also, just before hopping on the podcast, I rewatched the most recent show that came out at the end of March, and I'm just really stoked.

I mean, Ander season one was.

I mean a fucking masterpiece.

It was just it.

You know, I remember when when I first came out.

I remember everyone saying the beginning was a little slow, and it was a little slow in the first three episodes.

It was a slow burn and kind of get going.

But once it got start, once he got going, oh my god, I mean everything, like not even just like the focus on and Or, but the INFOA got on Monmouth, by the stuff I got to see and the ISB just just all of it, and it really painted this amazing picture of you know, the very early beginnings of the rebe you know, pre rebels, pre all the things we've seen, and I think what excites me the most about the coming season is seeing now how we like, you know, we've heard in little snippets here and there about you know my Mathma, you know flees the Senate and you know the Emperor resolves the Senate, and we know or Syncretic is nearing the end of you know, the finishing of the Death Star and seeing all that on screen, all that come together in linked to Rogue One, which is one of my favorite Star Wars movies, it just has me very jazzed.

Yeah, I'm very much where you are, and I think a lot of it really has to do with how just game changing and or Season one was, because it wasn't even just that it was like a fantastic Star Wars property.

It was like nothing we have seen before in the Star Wars universe.

It was like, I think, if it was a movie, it would have gotten an R rating.

It was the first thing that I think was dark and gritty in the Star Wars universe.

And while I normally I do think there's been a little bit too much dark and gritty for the most part, I've loved with some characters, but like Superman, dark and gritty was not a good idea.

I think it was something that was desperately needed from Star Wars.

And I say this is someone I think.

You know, Star Wars is for everyone, but for a lot of us who grew up with Star Wars, this was kind of like growing up into the more adult version of the story.

Because, you know, one of the simplistic things that a lot of media aimed at all ages, especially media aimed at younger audiences, is the heroes are all good and the bad guys are all bad.

And in a lot you know, there's an extent to which Star Wars from the very beginning was questioning that the whole idea of Darth Vader coming back and saving Luke.

But even so, like, for the most part, you know, if you're wearing a storm true uniform, you were bad.

If you were one of our heroes, you were good.

And starting with Rogue One, they had really started to challenge that, you know, and having the main character of you know this show, and one of the main characters of Rogue One in the first like ten minutes of the movie shoot his buddy, shoot his ally because he knows he won't get away unless he does that, and the show putting us into perspective of like maybe he was right to do it.

There's an awful lot of that kind of thing happening, And like there's a conversation that happens within the first season of and Andor that I think is kind of the mission statement of it, where you know, one character is saying like, you know, look, I want a rebellion, but I don't want all of this, and the others saying like, you can't have a rebellion without getting your hands dirty.

You know, this is what a rebellion is, like, this is war.

And that was just so game changing I think we've never seen something like that in Star Wars before.

The acting was just the dialogue was on levels that I've just you know, have very rarely been seen in Star Wars, especially in live action.

I think the animation has gotten there a number of times, and so I admit I'm kind of of two minds on this.

Like one thing I'll say is that if you listen to our coverage of and Or season one, Paul Hoppy was with me for most of I think most, not all of the episodes, but certainly a lot of them, and they are a huge lover of Andor, and they don't want to go anywhere near this show because they're so worried that that season was so good that like anything, like anything that comes next is gonna be a disappointment.

It is gonna be let down.

And I'm not that negative after the New Daredevil.

You'd think i'd be, because that was a real kick in the teeth, But I'm trying to stay positive, and so I have a little bit of that trepidation.

I'm trying to like to get my expectations too high.

But I'll tell you yesterday, in preparation for this, I binged all twelve episodes of and Or in one day.

Oh my god, it still holds up as I mean still it's only like a couple of years old.

But it reminded me of like, this is not only some of the best Star Wars we've ever seen, but some of the best television it's flat out that we've ever seen.

And it is such a high bar, and I think they're possible of if they even come close to it, I will be thrilled, But I think it's possible.

Season two is gonna hit that bar and go even further.

The reason that I am more optimistic, I think is that oni previous Star Wars shows where they're like, is this gonna be a one off season?

Are we gonna make this ongoing forever?

Like from the get go, they're like, okay, everyone's signing on, director, writers, everyone, actors were signing on.

For two seasons.

It's gonna be a two seasons show, like they had to play on like most Star Wars things, especially when we've seen the mess the messiness that came up the sequel movies.

There was an actual plan and there was no like, we're gonna extend this into three four seasons.

There's no, we're gonna cut the show.

And and I think the fact that like the directors and the writers knew how much space they had to work with the actors on do what they were signing up for, to me, that bodes well, and that would suggest that maybe they we do have a plan until I continue the same level of quality from the previous season.

Now.

Of course, I think.

Part of the the majesty that was and Or Or is and Or is that we had not seen anything like it before, like you said, and it was like not that like isn't just good on its own, but part of it was like, holy shit, where the fuck did this come from?

And now it's kind of like we're expecting such high quality.

So maybe our expectations are gonna be really high and it won't meet them.

But I don't know.

Again, like I feel like Rogue one was amazing, Season one Andrew was amazing.

I feel like it would be it was pretty easy to win them together and make a good product, especially when you had a plan this whole time, and they've taken their sweet time.

I mean Inner Season.

One came out in early twenty twenty three, right twenty two twenty three, I've been two or three years.

Either way, they've they've given it time.

It wasn't like a what like Mandal War not the ben Orean Season two wasn't amazing and season three, but those came out every year they were pumping out a little bit faster.

This is like, we're giving this two three full years to really.

To really marinate.

And I think that hopefully we within the time and the planning that ends up coming together.

Well yeah, and the writer strike was a part of that, but certainly a planet and I do think you're right that I'm I understanding is that Tony Gilroy's plan all along was these two seasons and then he had a lot of that already kind of scripted out in his head or at least on even on paper.

And that's actually a great way to jump into I think one of the first real questions that a lot of people have raised because and you weren't on the podcast at the time, but so you can tell me if you felt differently.

But I know a lot of people, myself included, felt that one of the only disappointments was that we raised this story about him coming from this planet that was kind of like, you know, had an indigenous people of sorts that he was part of.

They didn't speak galactic basic, they spoke their own language.

And there's the whole scene with Marva taking him from there and some of the questions that raises.

But also he starts out the show looking for his sister, and with the possibility being that he looked for his sister and he doesn't find her, but that looking for her starts the whole series of troubles that that then dominates the plot for most of the of the but that looking for her kicks off the series of events that will kind of the plot for the whole season.

And but there was some you know, kind of confusion or sadness of like why why didn't that ever come up again?

I?

And so I've been wondering is that going to come up again in season two?

And I don't know where this is coming from necessarily, and you might know more than I do.

But apparently there's a fan theory going around that that looks like there is some basis too that and he forget this might be a big spoiler, So if you don't want of these kind of things, please skip ahead.

That clayam Marky, who is the sit that Claam Marky, who is the assistant to Lucian Uh in the in the sort of ANTIQ antiquity shop that they're run in Courtissant.

But it seems like they may even be partners in terms of their power in the rebellion, or at least in their spy network.

That she may well be Uh that she may well be, and Ord's sister Cassie and or sister.

I have not seen that, but that seems kind of hype.

Yeah, Like I think that would be really interesting.

Apparently a lot of people have done kind of like putting their faces together and showing that she does look a lot like Petropascal and and just something like the fact that they get on the screen at all.

But we know very little about her background and where she comes from.

So I'll just say I think there were a kind of two hanging things left from season one that we'd never really addressed how he felt about what Marva had done, and we'd never his sister being tied into all that, and Marva telling him not to look for her.

And so I feel like I will feel even better about season one if those plot points get paid off in season two and it's not a requirement for me, but it's something I'm really looking forward to.

And maybe this theory is complete nonsense, I don't know, but I love that it's being talked about.

Yeah, And I mean I think that would you know, it would be fun to tie that in and I would like, honestly, I wouldn't be mad either way.

Like I'm happy to just kind of have the universe or the galaxy have.

Multiple like minded people kind of working different parts of the galaxy.

But it also to be kind of sick if, like this whole time, Brandor Andor's knows, like his employer and his like guy got really into the fight, his assistant just ends up being the you know, indoor sister that he's been looking for this whole time.

To feel like either.

Way, that could be a you know, I think that that is cool.

I do want to know either way more about the assistant, though.

I hope that we get a little I want a little bit more background as well.

On as long time podcast listeners know, I suck with names.

What is his name?

The antiquities dealer, spy man Glushian, thank you.

I wanted a little bit more about his background, like where you know where a little more about like where he's, where he came from, how he kind of got to where he is.

That we get a little bit little nuggets in the first season, but I'd be interested to learn a little bit more about that.

And based on like the briefness of the trailer, I can't toe for sure, but it looks like we get like some more info on like Man Mathama and we see him potentially like you know, she makes a deal in season one to get access to to uh to more finances basically to fund the rebellion in exchange for basically like offering up her daughter as a bride to this to this other chandrau in Man's son.

And it looks like we see something that looks maybe it's just a flash that's the second on screen in the trailer, potentially could be a chandrou and wedding.

I don't know.

It looks very very interesting and it'll be interesting I like learning about, you know, more about the cultures and and and the things.

And if my Moth had to literally give up her daughter for the rebellion, that sparks a whole other level of questions and things.

It's just it's just a whole nother layer to this.

It's really interesting.

I don't know, it really.

Does, especially because and I hadn't really thought about it as much this the first time I watched it, but I especially saw it this second time.

Is the role of tradition in this show and in the Galactic universe.

And here I want to give full credit where credits due on the and or Reflections episode that maybe may have just heard a week ago we rebroadcast it.

My two guests for that one were My two guests for that one were Danielle of Written in the Star Wars and Age star Killer of Jedi star Killer, both on TikTok, both fantastic creators, and they are both Latino.

They are Latino and Latina, and they really kind of were pointing out to me some of the stuff that I maybe paid enough attention to about the kind of Latino and indigenous origins of you know, Latino obviously does not exist in the Star Wars universe, but something equivalent to that of the characters, and how much it mattered that we hadn't gotten more of those stories.

And so I had that in my head as I was watching and thinking about how one of the big things that drives this possibility of the Chandrilline wedding is tradition.

And I think one of the things that complicates what you were just saying about Mana Maathama is like, I think it'd be easy to just write not even write her off, but be like, wow, that was really horrible if she was like the daughter was like, I'm fourteen, I don't want to get married, and Mana Mathma was like, no, you have to do this.

Yeah.

But one thing that's happening in that world is that a lot of young people are kind of wanting to reconnect with traditions that are kind of becoming more conservative in some ways.

Both Man and her, and both Man and her cousin vou are kind of horrified by this because they feel, you know, it's that kind of like we've broken away from these horrible traditions.

Why are kids going back to them?

But the daughter really wants it, and so and I was thinking all that because you know, the last episode of and Or season one is that wonderful scene of Marve's burial where tradition is mentioned again and again and how important those traditions are, and even going back the the end of the heist on the planet Camp.

What I said the end of the heist of the Imperial Garrison, all the traditions of the local peoples around the Eye matters so much.

So I feel like this has definitely been a through point of how you know, and it makes sense with like empires and homogeneity and like the attempt to erase all these different local cultures.

So I'm really curious about how that's going to come out.

And because because it doesn't seem coincidental to me that we both have Cassian looking for his people and like understanding that well the same time my Moth was having this very difficult relationship to her native people and their traditions and things like that.

I also hate that Tony Gilroy somehow is a psychic and just foresaw that that was happening in America too.

Yeah, like it just feel wewashed and or And I was like, God, damn it, how does this feel more prevalent now than when it came out?

I mean, this is true.

It is what we talked about about the recent book that came out, The Mask of Fear.

This is something I was talking about on my Hunger Games episodes over on Superhero ethics, Like it's it's because this kind of like what's happening right now in this country is not a surprise.

We've been going in this direction for five or seven years, or for ten years or even longer someone say, for two hundred years, you know, depending on how you look at it.

And so yeah, it's they're predicting the future, but this is the future that's somewhat predictable.

No, it's fair, it's fair.

But yeah, it just it just it just hit a lot more home to me, I think this time around.

And but like you said, I mean it's still like evokes all of that emotion like I got, Oh, the whole show starts to finish, I'm getting angry at me onto the tea.

I'm like, even if I know what's about to happen, I'm like getting all excited and giddy like.

I love and if nothing else.

One thing I'm totally convinced of now is that the timing of that Mask of Fear novel, the first of the Reign of the Empire books, is not at all coincidental that it came out just you know, basically in time for people to read it before and or season two comes out.

Because it's very much a prequel to the TV show and Or to all of these events, but very much the TV show and Or because it's about how Man, Mathma and Baylorghana, who haven't seen yet, but I think it is scheduled to show up in and Or season two and all these characters get together.

And one thing I hadn't even realized till I heard him say it is that title the Mask of Fear.

One of the lines that Nemeck says, who's kind of like the Karl Marx of this young group, the young revolutionary, that he's not Chay and the leader quality, but in terms of like the philosopher king of the of the rebels.

He in one of those passages that Casiane is later listening to, he's talking about how the empire is always afraid and that they are doing all these things because they're afraid of the people, and that's why the people need to rise up.

And he says, oppression is the mask of fear.

Mm hmm, and I was like, Oh.

That's what that title comes from.

Yeah, I picked up I picked up on that as well this time around.

Yeah, that book is the start of the oppression, and it just ties in so well, and I I would like to see more, You're great, I'd like to see more of Lucian's background.

I want to see how Lucian and mont Mathma first got together all this stuff.

If we don't see it here, I'm fairly certain we're going to see it in book two and book three of that trilogy.

Yeah, I mean, I assume that Book two and Book three are meant to leadists right up to and Or season one, and then interesting one of season two.

Kind of take it off from that.

I don't know that for a fact.

That's kind of what.

I'm just assuming here that that will complete and this, honestly, between that book and Or and uh Rogue one, that's like the most complete telling of any sort of story during this twenty year period of the Empire's like existence between episodes three and four, which is still pretty open as far as stories to be told.

So it's it's I'm happy that we're kind of getting a more in depth look into this and how the rebellion was really kind of hashed out here.

But I think you're right.

I think the Mask of Fear came out and they would have included Bill or Ghana as prominently if he wasn't meant to be featured in this show at least a little bit.

But I also, besides them, I'm like very excited for the return of or Synchronic.

I think that he's a really interesting little craybaby imperial and.

He's he can be.

He's like he's like he's annoying, but that's like by design, I think, and I think the acting is superb in Rogue one, and I am excited to see him again in uh in this season.

I also, I have no basis for this, but it would not surprise me if we got the return of everyone's favorite Cgi Grandmoth's Hurriken.

I was just thinking about that, yeah, which again in small doses, it's fine.

It just was a little jarring because that was the first time it was used, obviously, you know.

I just I've also been rewatching The Manorian.

You know.

The recreation of young Mark Hamo as Luke Skywalker in season two was much, oh my god, so much better than what Grandma's Argon looked like Al Cushing Peter Cushing sorry looked like.

So if they bring him back, which again wouldn't be mad about, I need to be a small amount very, very small and it needs to look good.

Yeah, I think they're not gonna bring him back because one of the issues that I think has been a big deal with this whole idea is do you have the consent of that person or at least even their family to do so.

And I know that the one couple of a couple of families of actors have sued like so, for example, when they used Leah like her daughter explicitly gave permission for that right.

And now more and more they are trying to like record actor's voice to something extent and like you know, James O.

Jones, Disney his permission to do that with his voice and infinitum.

And if you I'm not gonna go too many details here.

We did a whole episode on the ethics of AI last year on Superhero ethics.

But I think Peter Cushing's estate was one of the ones who sued, saying, hey, you shouldn't have done this.

I could be wrong there.

I think now you're saying, I do remember Peter.

There was a little fight about Peter Cushing specifically.

I don't remember how that ended up.

If memory, I'm not gonna do if memory serves though his family said it was okay, but like his like agent or friend is the one who techically owned the rights to his voice and his acting materials, and he decided to sue, and so Disney was like, we got fished from the family, but not from the right people.

I don't know, So maybe they won't do that at all.

Maybe they'll just you know, leave that out completely.

Well, well, here's here's what I was thinking, is whether or not he shows up.

We know from the novels that there is another player in the whole power struggle.

I'm sorry, we know from the novels and from some of the other animated content that there's another player in this whole power struggle over the Death Star versus other imperial resources.

Will we get more throng, dude?

I hope so it would be such a big.

Yeah.

I don't know if they could have kept that a secret, but they've somehow kept that a secret.

And he shows up just for those who don't remember one of the issues that's happening right now, And this is gonna be a goodlead into the next segment I want to do, which is really kind of helping people understand the context of when this is taking place.

This show is going to be taking place basically over five years.

The first one, I think was over about the course of like a year or so, and this is about like the sixteenth that was like you know, the fourteenth year of the Republic, sorry, the fourteenth year of the Empire, about five six to five years before the Battle of Yowen, Yeah, before the Battle of Yavon, which is how a lot of people date things in this universe.

And this is now going to be five BB before the Battle of Javon up to Rogue one, which is obviously like you know, a couple of days before the ends, a couple of days before the Battle of Javon.

And so in that five year period, we're gonna talk about some of the things that are going on to help get you ready for that.

One of the things is that there is within the Imperial bureaucracy and of the military, especially the Imperial Navy, this conflict over whether or not the Death Star is a good idea, and a lot of people don't even know about it.

They just know that there's all these resources being poured into it.

And in the Throng novels, the newer set of Throng novels that are fantastic.

We've done some episodes on thron figures this out and he has a real conflict with Kranick and with Tarkian because he doesn't believe this is where the resources should go.

And if you remember, this is touched on a little bit in Star Wars Rebels as well.

So, yeah, and I don't think we're gonna get into that side of the story as much.

I think we're gonna focus much more on the rebels.

But if we are getting some of that, you know, if we are getting Kranick, that opens the door to everyone involved in that side of things.

So we might get thron we might more, we might get more of galen Urso there's a lot of people we could get in for that.

Yeah, and Rebels it kind of touched on the fact that thron Is wants all the money going to his Tie Defender Project TI Defender, that which is like the tie Fighters that are bet.

A shields hyperdrives.

He argues that an army of those would be far more effective than one giant tin can weapon and lo and behold who was always right brawn?

Yeah, Yeah, have you imagine that the tie Fighters not exploding every time either they or a laser beam or a rock comes within like ten feet of them, maybe the fight turns out a little differently.

It's funny.

So let's go over what else is happening.

How would you describe the what we know of the universe, the galaxy at this time, five years before the Battle of Yavin.

What's going on?

Yeah, so you know, so fifteen years post Revenge of the Sith, we're seeing a lot of like individual rebel cells basically starting to form, and there's no.

Larger rebel alliance yet.

Obviously we see like that formation happening as we get closer to the end of this period, but as of right now, it's like I'm not sure if Ghost Squadron has been formed yet.

The team have been rebels, but like it's those type of like squadrons, like a few small groups of people during parts of the galaxy basically like having their own little rebel acts.

I'm fighting it as the Empire.

But and the ICP, like certain ICB agents are starting to pick up on this.

They're like there are patterns things are being taken, actions are being like actions are being done that like they connect and so there's fibrir period is when those you know, those rebellions start to become a little more bold and connecting other things, is Palpatine.

Well, so let's let's go through each of those individually and talk about like what we know of them, and we'll get to the ghost one, which the one we know the most about.

But I think one of them, for example, sample is Solo.

The movie occurs only about four years before all this happens, uh, three to three years, don't remember the exact date.

But so the nfe's Nest, Nfe's Nest and her group they may still be around.

I don't.

We know nothing about what happens to them after the events of Solo.

They could be kicking around as a group.

We don't know much about them.

We just know they were a group that got kind of screwed over by the Empire and has now been collecting money and resources and doing some raiding to try and you know, gather what they need to fight back about the Empire.

And yeah, I feel like, can't we see them in animation somewhere.

Making that up?

I don't know.

I guess we always sell them somewhere else, do But yes, you were correct, You're correct, and Busnass is going on right now.

We have Sargerera's team, which you've seen in different you know, iterations of Sagerera's You know, we've seen Sargam back from the corn Wars, but nowadays it like he has moved his operation slowly towards Jetta and you know, continuing his kind of much more firebrand efforts of being a rebellion of a rebel squad.

And he also is like he doesn't play well with others, yeah, but he is still taking out his guerrilla warfare tactics on the Empire.

And I think that's one of the most interesting things that and Or did is because within the world of Star Wars before Ander came along, Saugerera represented the most extreme that rebels were willing to go to, and he was often positioned as exactly that that he would be the one who would do things that others didn't want to do.

And I left you with the question of like should you be going that far?

And then Lucian comes along and even saw its like whoa.

Although by the end of season one, like you know, with Lucian taking some of the steps he is taking, like sacrificing thirty rebels because he thinks it's more important to protect this one source.

And also he doesn't think very highly of that group of rebels.

They're very they're very useful to him, and Saw it's kind of like, yeah, I get that, but wow, this is dark.

So it puts Saw in his group in a very interesting position in that he is kind of in line with man Mathma and bail Orghana, as we learned at the end of the end or novel.

But we don't really know much else about how he's working with others, how he's positioned resolution, and how they're all going to come together.

Yeah, I think that, you know, in Rogue one, for example, we see like that kind of that little meeting that my Moth was heading and they're debating whether they want to make a strike against Scariff and let that be the first like really big rebel alliance strike.

And in Rebel as they hint at, you know, Monmouth was.

Like, I'm going to the meeting.

And we've seen like variations of this like alliance forming meeting in different cooper of Star Wars media over the years, dating back to like non Cannon versions of it.

In this the star Killer Force on leash game is.

But I think that like this show has the potentially to show us, you know, more of those, more of that kind of formation, because if this does indeed overlap, so Rebels, the show overlaps with with with this current season man or inter season two, because Rebels takes place two years before the Battle of Javon up until and through technically, and Rebel.

Starts fIF it starts five years before.

It starts also start five years before.

Yeah, because Ezra is born on Empire Day, so basically just a couple of a couple of days, maybe a week or two younger than Leah and Luke, and it starts on his fifteenth birth day.

You're right, you're right, You're right, You're correct.

So it's okay.

They're taking place concurrently.

And if you all remember in Rebels, there's an episode where my Matha just made a daring escape from the Senate and the Ghost Squadron helps her to escape Imperial pursuit so that she can then call, you know, the Meeting of the Rebel, which you try and form an alliance.

And I don't know this for a fact, but they've kind of, you know, between the trailer, what we saw in the last season of and or the book, like we're heading towards the whole idea of Man Mathma dipping out of the Senate potentially in this season and like making that run.

So it would not also surprise me if there was some sort of cameo of Harris and Doulla or some of the other members zeb you know, zeb or I don't know, Like we've seen we have actions of these individuals in different shows.

It would have surprised me if a member or two of Ghost Ghost Squadron made an appearance here as Manmathma you know, makes that break and flees.

Yeah, I think when I think of references in this show, I'd love to see actual actors and characters show up.

I'd love it if we finally got you know, Gara Zeba Relius on screen for more than like a cameo that it's unnamed.

But even more important to me is references.

Like one of the things that happens in the early seasons of Rebels is that they come to the attention of this group that is putting together the Rebel Alliance, but for a while they don't want to join.

So even if it's just like you know, Saw and Man and Lucian talking about what groups should they reach out to.

You know, even if they say, like what about that group is calling so much trouble on the Thal or they don't want to join us yet, like just references like that, you know, I think it would be really important.

Other things that are happening right now is and this is we know both from the TV show Rebels, but also from some of the novels.

This is around the time that Princess Leah is beginning to get involved.

There's that great novel that we did an episode about last year, The great novel that we did an episode about last year called Leah Princess Offalderon.

That's about her during this time, and that's about her kind of awakening to being a rebel, her figuring out that both Bail and Brea, her parents are very involved in the rebellion, and her wanting to become more involved to the point where we see her as like fifteen or sixteen years old, kind of helping, you know, with a mission that the Ghost Crew gets involved with, so there'll be stuff from her.

And another possible direction is the Jedi Survivor video games, and those take place earlier.

Those took place again in the kind of like, well, I actually know because we see him as a kid during Order sixty six and he's adults, so I think, yeah, these are those games are taking place around like ten to five bby if I remember, And.

Yeah, that would make sense because there's still inquisitors, So it could be like that Kyle cass Is, you know, especially the second Survivor game could be taking place around the time that, like the Grand Inquisitor was being killed by Canaan.

Right, And here's one that I'm really unsure of because I will say one of the things I thought that made and Or so good was there was no Lightsabers.

And like, we clearly love Lightsabers, we love the Jedi, we love stories about the Jedi, both positive and negative.

But I think there was something really refreshing that Ander felt much more kind of street level.

You know.

It's kind of the same way like the Netflix MCU shows did without people who had like the huge, huge superpowers, even though they had some superpowers, but you know the point.

And so I hope that the Jedi are going to be a part of it.

You know, at some point, this may be all the time that Bail Organa's kind of mission that he started in that book Mask of Fear, that he starts to convince other people that the Jedi weren't actually like launching a coup and that all of that is Palpatine's propaganda.

You know.

Some of the episodes of Rebels are about attempts to rescue like newly born for sensitive children, and just the whole process of more of the Galaxy coming to know and more of the Alliance coming to know that Emperor Palpatine is the Sith Lord Darth Sidius.

I think that would be it's a knife edge, and I'd be okay if they don't touch it at all, because I don't want lots of Jedi taking over.

Yeah, but I would love it if the at least touch on that, because that is another thing that canock is happening right around this time.

Yeah.

And I also don't need to see like a lightsaber like I think, like the the most I could even like, you know, if if there's like a bail shows up and there's like a hologram transmission with Obi Wan that lasts a minute or two where they're just talking, that's the most like I could even handle of.

A Jedi in the show.

I just don't I don't need it.

I don't.

I don't feel like we need but this entire show really operated without the force.

We need to we need to see Darth Vader.

I will say it would be kind of cool if we saw a Senate proceeding where we saw Palpatine in the Senate like like not sith I mean, like obviously a sith word, but like Palpatine in his public face in the Imperial Senate is something we've never seen in live action.

That would actually be way more interesting to me.

They're ringing in calcas Sis or obi Wan or one of these other Jedi either a running around right now because I want I want to see Massameda and Uh and Palpatine, you know, fucking shit up in the Senate and like how they're manipulating the Senate into dissolving, and especially if we see them, you know, we see Uh.

You know my mama give that crazy I mean, she gave a crazy speech.

As far as we've heard, we've heard about the speech she gives derailing the Emperor.

It's referenced and rebels and I think one of the books as well.

We don't know what she says, so soon.

We'll get that speech at some point in the show.

But I don't it'd be cool to see a brief cameo of Palpatine or of Masameda or someone like presiding over the Imperial Senate and like, you know, directly fight either like control you know, presiding over the Senate or fighting back with against man Mathma or something along the lines.

I don't need a lightsaber, but I do like seeing you know, we're.

In the Empire versus the Empire.

Why not show me the Emperor for a minute.

Yeah.

No, I think it's very possible, even if it's just like them watching him on news VIDs and stuff like that.

Yeah, and like any any chance, especially because you know, Ema Derman's getting older, any chance to stick him into a store's property one more time, just for like even just like you said, how ovid's something for just thirty seconds or a minute, I think it's I think it's worth it.

That is that is a cameo I'm okay with.

Yeah, that's what I would definitely like to see.

And I feel like I'm not as against cameos as a lot of people are.

It's sometimes that the cameos can make the world feel very small, but this period of time is literally about all those different threads coming together.

So I feel like this is actually a time where those cameos are perfectly Okay.

I don't want it to take over the story, but yeah, this should be about how, you know, I mean, who is the full Who is the first Fulcrum?

When does ah Soca come back, you know and kind of show up and start helping as fulk Crum during the rebel time?

Like there's another person that can show up your ray I forgot that, like a soak in my moth, were acquainted and that goes down.

Yep, like when when who is the first Folcrum?

You know?

I mean, gosh, I don't again, I don't want to convince myself into thinking this, but you know, we're gonna have more of the ISB and more of Cyril and Deborah, and I'm really curious about their story and where they're gonna go.

But they're probably gonna start meeting some other people who are significant to these things.

And if they meet a young agent callous, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to.

Me, dude, that would be kind of sick.

Actually, No, there's a lot.

There's actually, like now you think it was so much going on?

Yeah, yeah, And also, I if memory serves, the folkal title was start started back in the Clone Wars.

I believe like Ana can use it for something.

And but then you know, then I think I think Ahsoka might have.

Been the first folk right, and then it got passed on to callous U.

But yeah, you're right, it's that's right.

At some point we established that folk rom was a term that Anakin and Ahsoka had used, so Ahsoka started it.

Yeah, I just did a quick Wikipedia search and it's like it was a frequency used by Anakin during the Colon Wars.

The only people aware of it were Obi Wan, Admiral Uarin and Sagerea and Ahsoka Tano.

We're the only ones that were aware of its existence.

And then obviously like everything falls apart, and then it was used by Ahsoka Bale or Ghana actually like we need a code name for you, and Ahsoka suggested folkrum.

But either way, there are so many there are so many people actually, now that they think about it, You're right that, like, I mean, we just listed off but very plausible people that could show up in the show anywhere from anyone from.

Ghost Squadron, from Rebels, yep.

Obi Wan Calcastus, Ahsoka, the Emperor Masamida.

I mean, Darth Vader's always around somewhere.

Like honestly, any of these people could very not surprisingly make an appearance in and or season two, or none of them could.

Yeah, yeah, and like I'm fine if none of them do, and I want them to LEAs to be referenced, you know, like, yeah, one thing and Or season one never mentioned is like, what what do the senators think of this Darth Vader person?

What do they know about him?

You know, he's obviously hanging around.

He's obviously like Princess Leiah isn't surprised to see him when they meet at the beginning of New Hope.

So he's involved in the empire somehow.

She's down to diss into his face too, so of course she's not that afraid of him.

Yeah, so yeah, I think it's It's it's why I feel like it's a tight rope walk.

There's a this is the kind of show that could go phenomenally bad.

I really trust this creative team that they're gonna make it work, and I'm really excited to see them make it work.

I'm nervous, but I'm really hopeful and I'm trying to get too much in the expectations game.

But I just know that like bringing all this together, it's a lot and where you can see where where they go.

Yeah, and I feel like again I have the I have I have faith.

I have faith that in the end of the day, they will do the way, they will pull us out.

And it may not be exactly who the season one was, but like you said, as a long as he gets pretty damn close, I'll be very happy.

And also I'm just.

Gonna point out I just I'm doing I'm for I'm just in a mood to rewatch all the Star Wars properties before I go to Star Wars celebration.

But Mandalorian season one was, uh was amazing.

No one thought we could ever top that.

Yeah, menuarym Season two kind of tops it, and the season three is not as good, but season two was better than season one in that instance.

And so I feel like we had three.

Or we've had four seasons of Mandalorian total, right.

Three three, three, and then there's that two episodes in the middle of book a Boba fet.

I actually think season three is phenomenal.

But I think that's because I'm a lot more invested in uh the story of the other Mandalorians and like the taking back of Mandalorian stuff like that.

Don't get me wrong with you, I fucking love Season three.

I just don't think personally it was just like I mean, it's like basically like if season two was a nine point nine for me, then season one's a nine point eight and season three is a nine point six.

But they're all great to me.

But for my ranking, I thought that season two was the best either way.

Though my point was mid one didn't have a sea no point, didn't have a significant drop in quality, and that's really I mean.

You think about live action Disney made Star Wars shows.

Ahsoka was one season so far so far, Obi one was one season, book a Bafet was one season.

Like, we haven't gotten multi season shows outside of the Mandalorian so precedent shows, and maybe they actually haven't figured out in that regard, or maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist optimist when it comes to this, I will point.

Out that like in this new Disney era, we have gotten multiple seasons of bad Batch, but that's obviously live action yeah.

Bad Batch, though also held up pretty damn well, also.

Raises some other questions about people who might be running around at this time.

Guy.

You know, one thing I was thinking before is we know that Bail and the rest of the rebels, the rest of the like non ghost rebels, are in touch with Rex because they're the ones who put the Ghost crew in touch with Rex.

So or maybe it's just a Soca like And again, I don't need to see all of that, but all that's possible, and I think it's it's helpful for me, and I hope it's helpful for you in the audience, just to have this chance to think about, like what is this is such a busy time in the universe of Star Wars right now, and so all these things can.

Interact, and I feel like that's what makes us exciting, is what you know, what we said.

I mean, we've gotten trailers, we've gotten behind the scenes thing a Disney plus, but by and large, I think Andrew did because of a successive season one, Disney does not feel the pressure to like spill a bunch of the beans in the trailers like I feel like in previous things, you know, they tried to show like give something that directly would give a little more away in the trailers to try and entice people to watch.

But and this is just again speculation on my part.

Maybe they just don't feel like they have to do that and they can just sneak in these you know, these characters and these individuals because everyone's gonna watch it.

Not everyone, but you the Star Wars fans are gonna watch it anyway.

Because Andrew season one was such a smash hit, people were kind of chomping at the bit for season two.

First, as you know, with theh Sosca, you know, didn't have to reveal that, you know, Grand Abaro Thron made an appearance or you know.

Things like that.

But they they gave pretty direct They showed us him, They showed us some sa being in the trailer.

They give a lot away in the trailer.

Hara, Yeah, and and or I just feel again I just rewatched the trailer.

They give fucking nothing away, Like I have no idea what's gonna happen in this in this show.

And that's what I like about what I prefer, like, give me just little, like you know, a flash of orson critic get me excited, a flash of what I think maybe as a Chandrone wedding.

I don't know for sure, but like that their show is meant to be is get you like thinking, but like really have no idea what's gonna happen.

And so I think that the fact that it was so successful and it's in this era, we really don't know who could show up or what's gonna happen.

I think Kranic is the only real big name character.

We were like, Oh, he's gonna be in season.

Two, Yes, yep's I think that's really and like, I think I'm pretty sure that this is also like at some point we're going to see how and Or meets K two or K two, K nine, K two what you and I mean again, I guess kind of don't we spoiler it?

I guess, but you know, as y'all have if you've listened to previous episodes, I'll be interapaned for Star Wars celebration and on the guest list of people who will be there besides Diego Luna is Alan Tudic, who plays K two, which would and itself you know and or season two coming out that he will be present in that, in that show or in that season, so just kind of connecting some dots there.

Yeah, that could be fun.

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We're gonna get a full announcement about that on May fourth, and you're probably gonna hear some about it at celebration, but we know that it's gonna be Tales of the Underworld and one of the characters who are gonna get a story of Assage Ventris, and we'll be talking a lot more about that in the members only section and again to become a member so you get bonus content at the end of every episode, you get actually know I'm gonna call that out because we just gave away most of it.

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