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Speaker 3Okay over, Welcome back to this week's episode of Star Wars Generations Podcast.
Today we are wrapping up our discussions of and Or, at least for the moment, because frankly, there's gonna be a lot to say about and Or.
This is gonna be a show I think that's really gonna change our the way we think about Star Wars in a lot of ways.
That's gonna lead to a lot of great discussions, a lot of great questions, both here and on the Superheroics podcast.
Last time we didn't have the full team, but this time we have both Alex and Aaron here to talk about and Or.
But before we do, I want to drop some news on you all.
As many of you who know there's a young padawan soon joining my own family.
We had a baby shower.
The house now looks like an exploded Ikea in terms of half built cribs and bassinettes and things like that, and we have a lot of family members coming over.
We've got a lot of meals to plan, a lot of things going on like that.
And so I'm going to announce that this podcast, as will my other podcast, Superherothics, be taking a hiatus in June and July and possibly August.
The arrival of the new one is July twenty fourth.
By August, hopefully we have things back set up again.
But I have heard that a new kid can sometimes affect a schedule a little bit, so we're gonna still keep recording episodes.
Part of the issue is also that we've gotten really kind of right down to the wire, so I've been having to record an episode and then edit it within like twelve hours and get it up.
We want to get create a backlog.
We want to be able to have, you know, episodes in the cans, so that when I need to step away, or when Aaron has finals, or when Alex has an important thing for work, that we're all silly able to keep giving you content, So we take kind of a summer break.
We may giving you some old episodes.
We may just be making a break entirely.
We will continue recording episodes on a semi regular basis and be able to hit the ground running again in either August or September.
So with that being said, Erin, let's start with you.
What did you think of the andor now you've seen the whole thing.
Speaker 7My experience of the last three episodes was pretty wild.
Speaker 8It was also the night of our I think it's our last day of school, so us feel pretty good past the final went home, just got drunk as hell and watched these last three episodes.
Speaker 7And as you can tell by Alex's snickering, I was texting him about it.
Speaker 5I was getting some wild voice memos about her experience.
Speaker 9It seems like Erin was having a better experience, you know, and I Matthew had combined.
Speaker 3So, just so I understand, I am missing podcasts because I am creating you life.
Aaron missed a podcast because she was hungover, got it?
Okay?
No, I wasn't hungover.
Speaker 7I was depressed.
I don't know what happened the next day, I don't remember.
Speaker 3It's all good.
It's all good.
I'm just easing.
You had school stuff going on anyway.
So so either drunk or sober, which you think?
Speaker 7I loved it.
I really liked that we got some background for Clea and Luthen.
Speaker 5I loved that.
Speaker 7I'm very curious which like battle or war do you guys think she was involved in.
Speaker 9I mean, I don't think it was perfectly left ambiguous.
I think in like my when I first was watching it, we talked about this last time, but I thought that, like, oh my god, was Luten there when when like Andors, you know, people got attacked And I realized, no, no, he wasn't.
There was like raiders and not with the Empire.
But it just shows that he was.
He was a bad guy and kind of broke with it.
So I think it was just one of the many, like we saw in the Solo movie, one of the many imperial attempts to colonize and commit jedicide.
Speaker 7Okay, so you think he was imperial in that situation?
Speaker 5I thought, so.
Speaker 3Okay, See, I'm not sure the math works out for that, because Clay Rouss certainly seemed like she was late twenties thirties by the time we meet her in the fifteenth year after the Clone Wars, and she was maybe like seven or eight, maybe ten at the time that he rescues her.
So we certainly know that that was the last like major major conflict obviously in the first with this like galactic armies, but that there'd been lots of fighting.
They've been fighting on Neboo, there was other places where the Galactic Republic was dealing with issues.
You know, a lot of times what the Jedi had to do was intervene in fights between two different groups.
So I definitely didn't see Luther and as evil necessarily.
I saw him as like a drafted soldier who didn't really want want to be there.
I think we can make it the Clone Wars if we want, but I thought it would make more sense to me if it was somewhat different.
It was some like conflict from beforehand.
You're reminding us that, like, yes, things were a lot there wasn't this galactic wide war like the Clone Wars, but things weren't like one hundred percent perfectly peaceful before then.
Speaker 9Yeah, I just the I did a quick little search on it, and like a lot of people seem to think it was.
Speaker 5It would most likely have.
Speaker 9Been like the very very very early days of the Empire, because that the uniforms look imperial, but like it looks like it's kind of still in the transition period from the republic.
So like if it either way, I think, I mean, it could have been you.
Speaker 5Know, separation, could be republic, could have imperial.
I thought it was imperial, but I think that like it was meant to be a little ambiguous.
Speaker 9I mean, if she was ten at the time, she' been what twenty five, well, yeah, twenty five.
Speaker 5And and or I guess think it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 9I mean, might was supposed to be that Anakin looks, you know, nineteen in episode two.
Speaker 7Well yeah, okay, I was just curious your guys's thoughts because I wasn't really sure if we were supposed to be able to trace the dots on that or if it was just pretty damn ambiguous.
But yeah, some of my other big notes, poor Lnnie, he got wrecked.
Yeah, wasn't expecting that.
But also, of course.
Speaker 3And I think him getting wrecked is interesting, And this is something a lot of people wrote into us about this kind of a feedback episode as well, with a lot of different thoughts on Luthen, and there's a lot of discussion of how like there's definitely be some movement online and some of the fans of luth like everyone should just recognize Luthen as a hero.
Luthan's a good guy, et cetera.
And I think he definitely goes down as being important and needed for the rebellion.
And I love the scene of Cassie and defending him.
But I love the scene you're talking about Aaron, because I think all those scenes some people denying online.
I think we're very clearly supposed to know, like Luthan straight up kills him.
Speaker 5Yeah, Like who was denying this online?
Speaker 3What is the other theory that he he he killed himself because he knew he was gonna get caught, or that the Empire caught up to him or something like that, because I think people want you know, I think this happens a lot where we get these morally great characters, but they get kind of a like redemption arc or like look at how cool they are in other ways, and people want to forget all the moral grainedness.
She's like, now, Luthen's a hero, he's straight up awesome with something that we'll definitely talk about some today and in future episodes, because yeah, I think I think that scene was so important reminding us that Luthen is.
Yes, he was this wonderful person to Clara, and he had all these reasons for getting involved, and he probably loved puppies at some point in time.
But yeah, he still was willing to like tell people, like to promise to get them out in order to like get them to say everything they need to say, and then kill them so he can get away.
Speaker 7Yeah, it was pretty cold.
Felt bad for his wife and kids.
Speaker 3Yep.
Speaker 9Pouring out for him real quick before we move on.
I went in a quick Wikipedia search, and according to Wikipedia, he was an Imperial Army trooper forcing me atrocities before he deserted in eighteen bby, so it would have been the first year of the Empire.
Okay, I don't know if the mathmass either, that's what Wikipedia says on canon, so it's saying imperial atrocity in the first year of the empire.
Speaker 7Sounds about right.
Speaker 3All right.
I'm just going by my judgment of Clay's age, and I'm probably she's probably older.
Speaker 5Than she looked older than twenty five.
But I mean, also, I don't know, maybe she was older.
Speaker 9When he found her, and she was just so emciated that we couldn't tell.
Speaker 3That's really possible.
Certainly it makes his particular anger at the Empire itself make a lot more sense.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3What else?
What else hit you in those last episodes?
Speaker 7I really liked the stuff, Like we got that one scene between Krenick and is it part of Gas?
Speaker 3Part of Gas?
Speaker 7Yeah?
Yeah, my notes just said critic versus Particas tough mm hmm, cold as hell.
I feel like that's kind of all you need to know.
Speaker 5I missed having you on the podcast.
Speaker 3I feel like it was a great scene.
We actually we talked about this someone over on Superhero Ethics podcast edited with Riki about sort of serial communist realization of like how wrong he was about the Empire and that there's all these ideas of like that we think what this is all about is the rules and authority and people following law and order.
But I think what what Krenick figured out that Pendergras never really did is and in the end of the day, it's not about the rules.
It's about it's about the politics and can you play things so that you come out okay?
And for the most part, Krenick was really good at playing that game until he found someone who's even better at it and mof Tarkin.
But that's I think you're right.
I think Panagrass is just totally out of his element when going up against Krenick because Kranick's is able to blame everything on this guy.
Speaker 7Yeah, he just takes the fall and they're just like, I don't know that.
Whole the way things went with the Imperial side of our story, I just kept being like, wait, what what what like Banni And then yeah, the fact that that guy just had this short conversation with Particas, and that was like, okay, I just walked out.
When you hear the blaster fire and the stormtroopers like jumped to like do something, he just kind of lifts raises his hand and bows his head for a moment.
Speaker 3Yep.
Speaker 7I was like, damn, that's dark.
Speaker 3Yeah, And that's is very much an homage to a scene you see in a lot of samurai movies, but also a lot of like old war movies from like the the fifties and sixties about you know, either the Civil War or the World War One or World War Two where you often see like the the the enemy commander winds up like killing himself because he knows he's about to be tortured by the government or whatever because he failed.
And I loved and I loved Like as he was walking out, I was like, oh, I think I know what's happening here.
And then you hear the shot, You're like, yep, okay.
Speaker 5Yeah, I was watching.
Speaker 9I watched the last three episodes at the same time as like, my childhood best friend is also a really big star Wars NENRD also named Alex Were He's the one on to Japan with me, but yeah, he lil have just texted me one where when that happened he went or I guess he went to wards.
He wrote damn Sepuku Yeah, And I was like, I guess that sums it up, man, Yeah, sure does.
Yep, thought and we talked about this a little bit maths, but I just want to read it.
Speaker 5I think it was kind of when I first saw it, I was like, damn.
Speaker 9Off screen, I kind of wanted to, like, I don't know, it was it's such a dark show.
Speaker 5I wanted to see something happen.
Speaker 9But then I thought it was actually way more powerful just hearing the shot and then the subtle movement of what the storm shoopers like lurching towards them, and uh the other officer's name I can never remember, just putting the gentle hand up like just like no, like respect the man sepulcher mm hmm.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 7And then we can't not talk about little miss Dedra.
Yeah, locked away in Narkina.
Yeah, are we to believe.
Speaker 9It's not Narkeina?
It's Matthew plated this out.
It's a it's a female equivalent though, yeah, oh.
Speaker 7Right, because Narkina was all men.
Speaker 3Well, and like you think about what the Empire is doing, like they're mass producing prisons all at the same time.
Speaker 5Uh.
Speaker 3We talked about that some in The Mask of Fear that it says like there's drastically increasing the amount of prisons that they have, and like here in the United States when there's explosion in a building of prisons, both in like the fifties and before then, but also like in the last twenty years when for Prophet's prison became a thing, like there's one or two like sets of blueprints that have just been repeated over and over again.
And you know, if you figured out this idea of the hot floor and all that, or you're in just these kind of cells, like, yeah, you build it over and over again.
So I think is certainly the idea is like it's not Narkeina itself, but like this prison has a similar design and probably similar rules and similar ways of you know, screwing with the heads of the people who are in prisons there.
Speaker 7Yeah, she could be helping build the dust Star too.
Speaker 3M well, and just the look on her face so she puts her head in her hands, and that scene where Krenick puts the finger on her forehead, and it's just such a scene of like mocking her and him having so much fun and what has to be the worst moment in her life.
I just loved that scene so much.
It was so petty on his part and so ridicul listen over the top and so perfect.
Speaker 7Oh, Crenick our favorite diva.
Speaker 3Right, he has to be the one.
Speaker 9I would just like to read one not very embarrassing text Aaron sent me about the episode.
Speaker 5She was watching it in all caps.
Speaker 9She said, the Krenic portrait is giving vogue m M, meaning from my understanding.
Speaker 5Further, it was just that quote.
He was serving face like an absolute diva.
Speaker 7He really was.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, can you elaborate on this statement.
Speaker 7I don't know if I remember the exact moments.
I feel like it was maybe the.
Speaker 10Flashbacks, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they were giving like the like here's where everyone is now, and it was just a side profile of critic and I was like, you know how many girls.
Speaker 7Would kill for like a profile like that, like a fucking jaw line, like to look like he should be on the cover of Vogue.
Speaker 3Just like the drama of it all.
Speaker 7Like I said, he's a diva, and he got his diva moment where he could just serve pay excuse me, where he could just serve face as they're doing this like pan over him and what he's doing.
Speaker 3Mm hmm.
Speaker 5That's all.
Speaker 7He just looked incredible.
Yeah, ready for Gala.
Speaker 3I will say all of it also to me as we're going to talk in a follow up episode for members it may actually be for everyone's partaking this hiatus, but about the h how it feels watching Rogue one after having seen this, and I'll say one thing was that to me, like it makes me feel like Krenic wearing a cape has to be very related to Vader wearing a cape, and it's that sort of thing of like the person who is very much a like, oh, this other person does this thing.
I'm going to do it because they must do it to want to be cool, whereas I so I'm going to do it because I want to be cool, whereas Vader is just like, no, he just is cool.
You know.
It's not like Vader is cool.
Critic wants to be cool, and that's the difference in how they wear their capes.
Speaker 9And yeah, Credic really wants to be cool.
And I mean he was honestly way cooler in the coolest thing that he had with him in the prison cell, he was just like, I mean, it wasn't cool per se, but like the he was just scary in the past.
That was always like you think you're scared, but you're just a freaking dufist.
Speaker 3Wait, you mean the interrogation room with Dedra.
Speaker 5Yeah, that was like his one scary moment.
Oh yeah, I guess again.
Speaker 9Rogue one a little bit in the very when he first finds Galen, but like in general, he just kind of seemed like a bully I want to be bully.
Speaker 2Mm hmm.
Speaker 3He employed in Rogue one a power that had never been used in the Star Wars universe before, sarcasm, that whole line of like, oh, she's back from the dead, it's a miracle.
Cool, Like we never heard that from Star Wars villains before.
It was great, at least not in live action.
Speaker 9Hans so has ever been sarcastic, not from a villain, though not the same way.
Speaker 3I suppose You're far too trusting is similar, but like you know, it's it's there's just sneering quality to Crenic that is just so good.
Mh so.
One of the thing we got from a number of people in the comments, especially from Riquie Hashi, my my co host over on Superherofics, it is a sense that and if you listen to things Tony Gilroy has said, really speaks to this that this really should be in many ways seen as the redemption of Kathleen Kennedy, among other things.
I know a lot of people don't like her because of their perception that she's the one who makes things woke and all this kind of nonsense, and and you know, I think it's fair to say that maybe some of the blame of the sequel trilogy not lining up falls to her as sort of the director of everything.
But Gilroy has said a number of times that he didn't want to do season two, he didn't think he'd be allowed to go as far as he wanted to go, that there were noumber of things that she helped him fight for to put it in.
And I'm just gonna read exactly what he said the Gilboy's write the Gilroy's right, he shoul take a lot of credit, But I don't think you can ignore who's watched the show happened under just because it doesn't fit a particular narrative, especially in this area of studio meddling on the Marvel side, seemingly tanking a lot of their post COVID stuff, and we have stories about the kind of stuff the studio did meddle in with this show.
Marvi says, fight the empire instead of fuck the Empire.
Tony Gilroy had to fight for Cassian's final line to Cyril, who are you?
A studio doesn't offer notes like that, and then she completely misses the subtext of the entire show.
They didn't slip the message through the cracks.
The studio understood the message in greenlit it talking about just how political the show was and how much it was a reference to things going on.
And there's a number of instances where Kathy Kennedy apparently is on record and Gilroy's on record of saying that like, she just let him do, she just let him cook.
You know, so much of the things that you think you would have to get approval for, he just got to do what he wanted to do.
Speaker 7And I think that's I just think that's really important when you're trying to like tell a piece of media like this, especially something that's like so dark, you know, yeah, because I think it's easy to throw in like dark themes and then not have a genuine payoff kind of like use it as a scare tactic or just a way to like get audience's attention.
But I feel like this one was like very intentional with the way that it portrayed the darkness.
I mean, I'm for instance, thinking of like the riot, right the massacre of the Dorman Gorman excuse me people, and how they had the sniper that was planning to take out an imperial soldier all along, right, and just like how for me, someone who's not like I don't study wars.
I don't know much about like political espionage and spot and assassinations and this and that, Like it's not a particular interest of mine.
So yeah, I hadn't ever really thought of that being a thing.
Is like it makes perfect sense, Like, yeah, you take out your own person to give yourself the reason to brutalize someone else.
Speaker 9Right, That's why there was so much I'm not giving credence one way or another to the to the following theory, but that's why there was a lot of buzz online and whether the sniper that shot at Trump was potentially planted by the party to galvanize the voter base.
Some people very because it's a tactic that has been used historically to change minds or to start a war, start a conflict.
I mean dating back to like you know, the shot heard around the world at the Battle of like Lexington Concord, Like you know, it's like some people will think that like that was done on purpose to like to spark things, Like I mean, it's just for centuries, it's been a tactic and of like you know.
Speaker 5Evil regimes, fascist regimes.
Speaker 11But I think like sometimes even rebel regime, like it's just it's it's horrible, but it's it's it's like when they need a conflict to start, especially to change a message, it's it's employed more often than not by the fascist regimes.
Speaker 3Like one thing I thought was a really brilliant way of squaring the circle of having them want to both and you and I talked a little bit this about Alex, but I'll kind of bring an erin to it as well, of like, you know, wanting to honor the things that happened in rebels while still allowing them to have their own version of mon Mathma's escape and her speeches.
Is to say, like, yeah, the rebels were doing it to to have their version of propaganda, to have their version of the best story they can tell to get people against the empire.
And the example from ong world that I'll love to tell about this is Aaron.
You've heard of the Boston massacre, I'm sure, right, m hmm.
Do you any idea how many people died in that?
No, four or maybe even three.
It's some very low number.
But yeah, the point being, like you hear that word, you're like, oh, dozens died, hundreds?
You know, for people is important and like its important to their families obviously, but like a massacre sounds a lot worse, and I think you know, and I just love how they show that.
So uh yeah, So I just kind of want to bring up that point that Riki had made about you know that this is something I think we can look at as like, yeah, there's a lot of great minds that went into this, but clearly Katheen Kennedy had a lot to do to to make this happen.
Yeah, what else?
What other ideas you want to talk about, either from from listeners or from your your own guys reflections on the show.
Speaker 5I said a lot of one.
Speaker 9I want to say that Jesus again, I said a lot of what I wanted to say last week.
Speaker 5So I don't know, Aaron, do you have anything else you like fought really.
Speaker 9Strongly that you wanted to talk about from those last three episodes, especially or what the show as a whole at the impact on h on Star Wars, or you know, and or having a child have an opinion on that.
Speaker 3Yo, I forgot about that.
Holy shit, that was what we call a moment.
Speaker 9Yeah, Aaron looked around like I was fucking with her for a second, and they were like.
Speaker 3Wait, I will say, I want to hear aaron S thoughtson this, but I'll just throw out there's a theory rand online that it's not Cassian's kid, that someone else, possibly callous, who would be foken by this point and be involved with all of them, that he like came to bis in her moment of sadness, and that that's who's the father of that kid.
Speaker 5Yeah, just cow is in Zebra in love.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Yeah, it's such a stretch anyway.
But Aaron, Yeah, back to the actual question, what do you think of the adorable little Cassian baby?
Wow?
Speaker 7Uh, I think it.
I was that's funny because I was gonna bring up this in one of my last things, like just the pain of you know, I.
Speaker 9Think it was funck.
Speaker 7What's her name?
Speaker 5Which one?
Speaker 7What's mom Motha's cousin's name?
Speaker 3Oh well, well, thank you, it's.
Speaker 5V EO.
Speaker 7That I don't know anyways, Right when val Kana had asked Casting something along the lines of like, oh, like, are you thinking about getting back in touch with Bicks?
And he was like, as soon as I'm done with this, like as soon as this last conflict is over.
It's like you just know, fuck and then you see the kid and you go, ah, extra fuck, double fuck.
Yeah, damn, I can't believe I forgot about that.
I can't believe I didn't make a note about that.
It's actually what I can't believe.
Speaker 3There was a lot going on.
It was a bit powerful, Like I was kind of in tears at that point already, so true.
Speaker 7Oh that's what I was gonna say.
I really liked that we got Nemic's speech again back at the very end to kind of bring everything full circle.
And I never had put together that He mentions and names like the mask of fear that keeps us under control, and that's, as we know, the name of the book that we read for our book club, and it's a very very interesting deep dive into the politics and the stories of bail Orghana and mam Mathma.
And I just liked that they kind of drew that together with how the book had just released and then showing everyone anyone who watches the show and has read the book, showing us very obviously like, oh, this is the connections.
Speaker 3M H.
Speaker 7I really liked that, and I think just his speech was so powerful the first time around, having it again as we see where everyone's at, Yeah, right before the conflict begins.
Speaker 3It's crazy, And I think it was so perfect how it was done, because I think part of what made Partagas so good at his job is that he understood how people's minds worked.
He understood how propaganda works, he understood what was needed to like crush rebellious spirits and things like that, and I think therefore he probably more than anyone else, he hears that, and he recognizes that everyone's hearing it, and I think it's when he knows they've lost.
And it's funny, you know, he doesn't know about it.
I only think he even knows about the that star, but even if he does, he surely doesn't know it's going to be blown up.
And yes, like if the death Star had blown up the base on Yavi and four, I think clearly the rebellion's over for a while.
But with that speech out there and with other things out there, like you know, fascism doesn't last.
It just never does, because the desire for freedom almost always comes back.
And actually knows that say that I up until now has not, But certainly I feel like that's found other ways of surviving that are now more challenging to us today.
But you know, I think I think paragraphs recognizing that as he hears that speech, how well it's laying out, you know, it's showing the lie to all the things he's lying about.
And I don't think as some people say that he has an ethical change of heart or thinks he was wrong.
I think he just realizes he's lost and it is his job to stop this.
He has not done so, and he can be tortured and punished and be part of the anxiety of the next ten years of fighting this knowing Vader's always over his shoulder, or you can just end it now, and I fully understand his decision.
I'll just say in the topic of the baby, I think Alex and I had a lot to say about it last week.
I just want to highlight that.
I think, you know, obviously on this podcast, we're trying to focus on like the happy parts of the conversation, not the happy in terms of like we all have to agree, but like there's a lot of toxicity in the Star Wars fandom, but there's a lot that isn't There's a lot of people who are really trying to have good faith conversations about this and that I think if you want to figure out who's the bad faith people in the Star Wars fandom on all sides, and kind of weed out the chaff of it, dig into that discussion about the baby, and then just start filtering out people, start blocking people, because I've seen an awful lot of folks just taking arguments on one side or the other in very bad faith.
And you know, I think it is perfectly legitimate to say that you don't like the decision that she meant that the writer's made of it showing her with the baby, without it meaning you're you're critiquing single mothers, or that you're saying it's bad to be a mother, or that you know, like any of that nonsense that's out there, or in the same way that like, it's possible to say that you like that she did this without saying that therefore you think all women are supposed to just like stay at home and be mothers instead of fighting the rebellion and stuff like.
It's just all sorts of nonsense on all sides, and I think there is a really legitimate debate about it.
I personally am someone who is not a huge fan of that scene and other people are and all.
That's totally fine, and we went into the details of it last week.
But yeah, I just want to say, like, if you want to see an example of Star Wars at its worst, google google that discussion and then use your block button, very freely.
Speaker 7Good to know, Good to know.
As a closing thought, I just want to say, I look back through my text with Alex, I didn't watch it until Saturday.
That's why I didn't hop on the podcast on Wednesday because I didn't have the you.
Speaker 3Know, no, I remember you would like to watch it.
You had a big school thing going on, and yeah, a lot of tuff's happening.
I get it.
Totally cool.
Speaker 9Uh.
Speaker 3Well, for our listeners, thank you so much.
It's kind of a short episode.
We wanted to kind of catch up with some things.
We're gonna do another episode soon on the how Rogue one seems after this, I'm not sure when it's gonna come out, but as I said, I'm sure we're gonna have some other last things to talk about as well.
Alex.
In the last words, you want to close.
Speaker 9With, Yeah, I have one last question just out of curiosity, and I would actually be interested in viewers also like writing us and telling us what they think about this.
But to each of you, have like just short answer your your favorite episode from this season.
I think mine was the the one work Gorman like who are you with?
The one where Gorman's.
Speaker 5Actually like the actual riot occurs.
Speaker 7I think it's hard not to pick that episode because it's one of the best episodes of television that I've seen.
It's really well put together.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 7I did, however, really really enjoy.
Speaker 6It.
Speaker 7Was the final episode, No where we got Mom Maflm's Escape.
Speaker 10Is that right?
Speaker 3That was the episode right after that, the final episode of that arc.
Speaker 5Yeah, oh okay, that was episode nine nine.
Speaker 7Nine, right before the last arc.
Yeah, I really.
Speaker 9Liked that episode.
Speaker 3Yeah.
I think that one was my favorite, and probably in part because it rang so true and as a number of people pointed out, like this show was mostly like written in twenty twenty three twenty four, So ascribing like the things that have happened in early twenty twenty five is directly referencing what's in the show.
Is probably not accurate, but clearly a lot of the things that you know, if you want to say it's critical of the Trump administration, like all the things that are happening were in Project twenty twenty five that we've had access to for a few years.
But for me, watching a senator, a number of senators really, but especially one senator, mon Mathma, decide that she has to speak out and name the fact that the emperor has no clothes, even though it puts her at great personal risk.
Because we live in a world right now where people who have the power to do that, I don't think they would face the danger that Mon Mathma would were not quite at a point where senators are being arrested and killed.
But you know, government leaders risk losing their they risk losing the next election, they risk losing the money they get from lobbyists, and the comfortable positions they losing, you know, public fame and all this kind of stuff.
And I mean, you know, judges are having their lives threatened, and like it's scary.
I get that, and it's easy to say someone else should do something scary, but I'm really embarrassed and horrified that so many of our politicians aren't able to do that.
And so watching mon Mathma, who does face something much worse do that make that decision and be okay with it.
Yeah.
I think that is the Gorman episode.
I think is what I would say is the best episode of the show.
But I think that was my personal favorite because I just wanted to cheer the whole time.
Hell yeah, all right, Well, thank you all so much.
This has been great.
Thank you to our listeners.
Like I said, we're going to be back with more, probably in a two months.
We'll probably still keep dropping episodes every now and then, but we're really gonna hit the ground running again either in August or September.
Thank you all so much.
Please stay subscribed, Please keep talking about Star Wars with us in all the places, our discord, our social media and all that.
And most importantly, may the Force be with you.
Speaker 5Stay classy, Canari.
Speaker 7You didn't kill that boy because it's a war.
You killed him because he saw my face.
Speaker 5Yeah, same quote.
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