1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,660 It can be so easy to get defensive when students, parents, colleagues, admin, whoever it is, are kind of talking to us and we don't agree with what they're saying. 2 00:00:10,660 --> 00:00:13,660 It can be so easy to get defensive and upset. 3 00:00:13,660 --> 00:00:21,000 But today we want to dive into how do we handle those feelings in a way that is Christ honoring and glorifying to Him. 4 00:00:21,020 --> 00:00:25,920 Well, welcome back to the Teach 4 the Heart podcast where we tackle teaching challenges from a biblical perspective. 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:26,836 Why are we here? 6 00:00:26,836 --> 00:00:32,139 because we don't believe that our spiritual walk and teaching profession should exist in two separate domains. 7 00:00:32,139 --> 00:00:37,923 Rather, the hope we have in Christ should change how we approach everything, not just at home, but at school as well. 8 00:00:37,923 --> 00:00:46,668 So join us as we explore both the spiritual and practical sides of key teaching challenges, integrating them together so we can succeed at teaching, glorify God, and make 9 00:00:46,668 --> 00:00:49,849 a lasting difference in our students' hearts and lives. 10 00:00:49,910 --> 00:00:53,694 This episode is brought to you in partnership with the Herzog Foundation. 11 00:00:53,694 --> 00:01:00,941 And I'm so excited to once again be joined by Sarah Humes, one of our long time Teach 4 the Heart team members and a Teach 4 the Heart Plus mentor. 12 00:01:00,941 --> 00:01:03,847 Sarah, thank you so much for being with us again today. 13 00:01:03,926 --> 00:01:05,712 Thank you again for having me. 14 00:01:05,712 --> 00:01:06,899 Hi everyone. 15 00:01:07,338 --> 00:01:15,254 So we get a lot of mentor questions in Teach 4 the Heart Plus, which if you're not familiar, Teach 4 the Heart Plus is our membership that includes all of our best PD 16 00:01:15,254 --> 00:01:16,735 programs and courses. 17 00:01:16,735 --> 00:01:21,920 And then you also have the ability to ask mentor questions on our coaching calls or in our support inbox. 18 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,822 And we've noticed that we get quite a lot of questions sometimes. 19 00:01:24,822 --> 00:01:33,152 uh We noticed a few questions that were kind of following a similar pattern where a teacher is struggling with being defensive. 20 00:01:33,152 --> 00:01:35,194 um about different situations. 21 00:01:35,194 --> 00:01:40,057 It could be the one was about a student, that is an issue with a student. 22 00:01:40,057 --> 00:01:41,998 It could be a parent. 23 00:01:41,998 --> 00:01:50,885 It can come up so many different ways, but we thought this would be a great topic to talk about on the podcast about what do we do when we are feeling that defensiveness rise up in 24 00:01:50,885 --> 00:02:01,066 us and we know that's probably not causing us to like want to respond in an un-Christ-like way and how do we kind of combat those feelings and have a right response. 25 00:02:01,066 --> 00:02:07,249 So Sarah, do you want to share maybe a little bit about some of the questions we're getting or maybe an example that we could use as we go through this? 26 00:02:07,659 --> 00:02:09,580 Sure. 27 00:02:10,140 --> 00:02:21,945 basically, the email, one of the emails that we received, and I just thought that this one was so good because unlike a lot, you know how a lot of times people are like, what do I 28 00:02:21,945 --> 00:02:24,686 do about this other person? 29 00:02:24,686 --> 00:02:32,729 This other person is so, insert the negative adjective, right? 30 00:02:32,829 --> 00:02:37,255 Well, I loved the emails that we get where people are like, 31 00:02:37,255 --> 00:02:41,678 Okay, I can admit maybe I'm a little bit of the problem here. 32 00:02:42,079 --> 00:02:47,583 I think that that humility is so amazing and such a great way to grow. 33 00:02:47,583 --> 00:03:02,956 And so not too long ago, we got an email that was from a teacher who said, I get super defensive when people question me and particularly her students when her students are 34 00:03:02,956 --> 00:03:04,797 questioning her. 35 00:03:05,238 --> 00:03:07,319 And I thought, wow. 36 00:03:07,325 --> 00:03:19,940 I think this is a great thing for us to talk through because I know that at the end of a long teaching day or sometimes even at the beginning of a teaching day where I haven't had 37 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:25,452 enough sleep or I've just for whatever reason maybe I'm in a mood. 38 00:03:25,452 --> 00:03:36,747 don't maybe okay would I ever get in a mood it's not I'm gonna be honest like it's not very very rare it's very rare but I do have a mood every now and then. 39 00:03:38,205 --> 00:03:39,205 To be quite honest. 40 00:03:39,205 --> 00:03:49,190 em But you know, like we have those days where we're like, do I really have to explain myself to you? 41 00:03:49,190 --> 00:04:03,328 You know, and I think it's really important to talk about why we might get defensive and how to respond maybe differently or also like how to give ourselves grace when we are 42 00:04:03,328 --> 00:04:06,495 defensive and maybe even like 43 00:04:06,495 --> 00:04:15,873 How do we respond to our students after we're defensive and maybe we want to apologize or make sure that we don't do that again, you know, that whole repent thing. 44 00:04:16,675 --> 00:04:18,335 yeah. 45 00:04:19,092 --> 00:04:21,154 Yeah, there's, my goodness, there's so much we're gonna talk to. 46 00:04:21,154 --> 00:04:26,659 We're probably only gonna scratch the surface of this topic, but yeah, I think this can come up and show itself in so many ways, right? 47 00:04:26,659 --> 00:04:33,475 And if you think back to your own life, both in and out of the classroom, it might be students that are really, like this teacher was the students that were really bugging 48 00:04:33,475 --> 00:04:33,905 them. 49 00:04:33,905 --> 00:04:38,750 You might have a colleague that when they make a suggestion, it really just irks you. 50 00:04:38,750 --> 00:04:39,701 It might be parents. 51 00:04:39,701 --> 00:04:43,234 You might just be like, I can't handle it when parents question things. 52 00:04:43,234 --> 00:04:45,972 Or maybe there's an administrator or someone that's. 53 00:04:45,972 --> 00:04:53,235 So it's gonna look different maybe for everybody, but kind of maybe think right now, like yeah, what is it that kind of gets me, gets my dukes up? 54 00:04:53,235 --> 00:04:57,057 And kind of have that example in mind as we talk through some of this. 55 00:04:57,057 --> 00:05:04,360 So I think one of the first things to maybe start with is asking yourself like, why am I feeling this way? 56 00:05:04,481 --> 00:05:09,963 And thinking about going a little bit deeper and saying, what is causing me? 57 00:05:09,963 --> 00:05:12,064 What emotions am I feeling? 58 00:05:12,434 --> 00:05:21,140 And kind of naming that can be an immediately first helpful thing of recognizing, okay, I am feeling this way because, you know, because of this. 59 00:05:21,140 --> 00:05:24,562 Sarah, do you have any examples of like what that might look like? 60 00:05:25,043 --> 00:05:39,691 I mean, for me personally, sometimes it's, I'm feeling this way because I'm wondering if they're right, you know, and I just, I mean, I'm not saying that that is the case for the 61 00:05:39,691 --> 00:05:40,151 other person. 62 00:05:40,151 --> 00:05:41,792 For me, that is often the case. 63 00:05:41,792 --> 00:05:53,999 Like when I get called out, um I can think of this particular instance where another educator was like, you really shouldn't have handled that. 64 00:05:54,048 --> 00:05:56,168 like that and she was completely right. 65 00:05:56,189 --> 00:06:00,840 And ah I was just shocked the way she handled it, you know what I mean? 66 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:04,450 And so maybe shock is part of it too. 67 00:06:04,731 --> 00:06:08,612 But you know, but part of it is like the imposter syndrome. 68 00:06:08,612 --> 00:06:13,353 I hear teachers say all the time, what, how, how am I leading kids? 69 00:06:13,353 --> 00:06:16,134 Like, how am I in charge of these people? 70 00:06:16,134 --> 00:06:17,634 How did this happen? 71 00:06:17,634 --> 00:06:22,001 You know, um but also like, you know, we get tired. 72 00:06:22,001 --> 00:06:23,011 We're worn out. 73 00:06:23,011 --> 00:06:24,892 This is a hard job. 74 00:06:25,012 --> 00:06:35,835 I mean, a lot of the people we serve aren't just teachers, but they are people who have families at home, which, hello, that's not easy. 75 00:06:35,835 --> 00:06:48,255 ah You know, I think of, especially when your kids are little and you're trying to go to school, you have a baby who didn't sleep through the night, you go to school and you're 76 00:06:48,255 --> 00:06:48,625 like, 77 00:06:48,625 --> 00:06:56,879 barely, you you're trying to get the kids to the babysitter before school and, you know, trying to get them out the door in the middle of winter. 78 00:06:57,900 --> 00:07:03,383 you know, I've just been living those days and I want to cry, like just remembering them. 79 00:07:03,383 --> 00:07:07,286 uh And they're hard, you know? 80 00:07:07,286 --> 00:07:16,877 And then maybe there was a point where my husband was like, okay, you need to consider maybe leaving the classroom. 81 00:07:16,877 --> 00:07:19,577 And that was a point of contention every day. 82 00:07:19,577 --> 00:07:21,609 And so that was in the back of my head. 83 00:07:21,910 --> 00:07:24,767 And he was like, we miss you at home. 84 00:07:24,767 --> 00:07:28,113 This is a long commute, all of those things. 85 00:07:28,393 --> 00:07:34,857 And so there's a lot that could be going on in our heads every day to make us defensive. 86 00:07:34,857 --> 00:07:38,969 And so I think self-examination is worth it at that 87 00:07:38,969 --> 00:07:43,772 it's so important, right, to recognize that, like, what is underneath that? 88 00:07:43,772 --> 00:07:49,851 You know, if it's, yeah, I'm really exhausted or I have all these emotions going on. 89 00:07:49,851 --> 00:07:56,479 Just recognizing that, like, our responses can be colored by that or from history or from so many things. 90 00:07:56,479 --> 00:08:01,031 And just recognizing that can be helpful to recognize, okay, part of the reason I'm feeling so defensed is because I'm exhausted. 91 00:08:01,031 --> 00:08:02,823 I did not get enough sleep last night. 92 00:08:02,823 --> 00:08:05,628 That can immediately perspective shift it. 93 00:08:05,628 --> 00:08:11,971 um Or sometimes like you're saying recognizing, you know, maybe like I'm feeling undervalued in this position. 94 00:08:11,971 --> 00:08:14,512 So that is making everything that happens. 95 00:08:14,512 --> 00:08:17,933 I am immediately equating that with, yeah, nobody appreciates me. 96 00:08:17,933 --> 00:08:23,396 And that's making everything seem more awful than it is. 97 00:08:23,396 --> 00:08:32,299 So just recognizing this can immediately just put a little bit of perspective on it and help us recognize, okay, this is part of why. 98 00:08:32,708 --> 00:08:34,010 So let me try to. 99 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:39,960 You can't really totally detach from that, but let me kind of step back and look at it with a little bit of fresh eyes. 100 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:40,945 So that's really good. 101 00:08:40,945 --> 00:08:45,000 So after we kind of think through, you know, why am I feeling this way? 102 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,629 You know, what all is going on? 103 00:08:47,629 --> 00:08:55,533 Then the next thing that we can do is to kind of consider, um well, actually, I think the next thing we should do is pray about it. 104 00:08:55,553 --> 00:09:00,076 So before we even get into the, do I respond and all of that, just... 105 00:09:00,076 --> 00:09:02,437 praying about it is so helpful. 106 00:09:02,437 --> 00:09:07,068 And obviously this is happening like in the moment in the classroom, you might just be a quick, God help me, I need your help. 107 00:09:07,068 --> 00:09:07,678 You might not have time. 108 00:09:07,678 --> 00:09:09,107 You might have to come back later and process. 109 00:09:09,107 --> 00:09:14,400 So we're talking more about like when you come back later and process through a moment, taking some time to pray about it. 110 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,821 And I think there's definitely space here to share your honest and raw feelings with God. 111 00:09:18,821 --> 00:09:21,872 We talked some on the podcast and in Hope Renewed about lament. 112 00:09:21,872 --> 00:09:29,184 You might even need to do a little bit of crying or lamenting with God and just really sharing what you feel, depending on how deeply this affected you. 113 00:09:29,184 --> 00:09:31,447 that might be something that's part of that. 114 00:09:31,447 --> 00:09:39,619 But then asking him for help, like, God, help me know how to respond well, give me wisdom, the Holy Spirit is in me, help me to do that. 115 00:09:39,619 --> 00:09:45,589 So I just think prayer is a really important piece, maybe even before you really try to think of, how should I be responding to this? 116 00:09:45,589 --> 00:09:49,749 Yeah, I love the verse in Psalm 61. 117 00:09:49,749 --> 00:09:51,709 Actually, it's a group of verses. 118 00:09:51,869 --> 00:09:54,709 It's Psalm 61, one through three. 119 00:09:54,709 --> 00:09:57,909 And it says, my cry, O God, listen to my prayer. 120 00:09:57,909 --> 00:10:00,229 From the end of the earth, I call to you. 121 00:10:00,229 --> 00:10:04,469 When my heart is faint, lead me to the rock that is higher than I. 122 00:10:04,469 --> 00:10:09,129 For you have been my refuge, a strong tower against the enemy. 123 00:10:09,129 --> 00:10:12,609 And now, obviously, I'm not calling our students our enemy. 124 00:10:14,029 --> 00:10:15,049 Ever. 125 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:24,464 But, you know, when we're facing those struggles, I just, I love the phrase, lead me to the rock that is higher than I. 126 00:10:24,464 --> 00:10:29,906 And there's this song that says, when my heart is overwhelmed, lead me to the rock that is higher than I. 127 00:10:29,906 --> 00:10:42,931 And I think about that all the time, because for me, a lot of times that defensiveness comes from feeling that overwhelm and just going to God and giving those thoughts and 128 00:10:42,931 --> 00:10:44,352 emotions and. 129 00:10:44,634 --> 00:10:45,867 Now what? 130 00:10:45,867 --> 00:10:55,477 You know, in prayer to him is just like, you know, he's hearing your cry, he's going to listen to your prayer and he'll help you know what's next. 131 00:11:58,724 --> 00:12:09,953 So after we pray about it, I think one of the next things we can do is just thinking through, um like choosing to respond the way God would have us respond. 132 00:12:10,174 --> 00:12:11,565 And I think there's two pieces to this. 133 00:12:11,565 --> 00:12:14,568 I think first it's thinking through, how would God have us respond? 134 00:12:14,568 --> 00:12:16,950 Because sometimes it's not immediately obvious. 135 00:12:16,950 --> 00:12:22,005 Sometimes what we are thinking we should do is like, okay, this actually isn't the Christ-like response. 136 00:12:22,005 --> 00:12:24,907 So kind of sometimes we have to like go through and think about that. 137 00:12:25,087 --> 00:12:26,779 And then choosing to actually do it. 138 00:12:26,779 --> 00:12:34,326 So sometimes we do know what to do or we've gotten to the point where like, I know what to do, but I still like, it's just like not the way our flesh wants to respond. 139 00:12:34,326 --> 00:12:38,820 So both the kind of recognition and then the actual response. 140 00:12:38,820 --> 00:12:41,983 And I'll share what's kind of helped my favorite verse for this. 141 00:12:41,983 --> 00:12:43,765 And then Sarah, maybe you can share some of yours. 142 00:12:43,765 --> 00:12:50,555 One of my favorite verses whenever I am just annoyed with somebody is, 143 00:12:50,555 --> 00:12:54,860 Colossians 3 and I forget which verse, I think it's maybe 12 through 17, somewhere in there and it goes, therefore as God's chosen ones holy and dearly loved put on compassion, 144 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:54,885 kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 145 00:12:54,885 --> 00:12:54,990 Bearing with one another and forgiving one another, if you have a grievance against another, just as the Lord forgave you. 146 00:12:54,990 --> 00:12:55,580 You are also to forgive, And above all put on love which binds us together in perfect unity. 147 00:13:19,577 --> 00:13:24,331 and let the peace of God rule in your hearts and be thankful." And it goes on from there. 148 00:13:24,331 --> 00:13:26,167 And I kind of do what I just did. 149 00:13:26,167 --> 00:13:34,340 I slow down and I think about each of those words and it just kind of like, for me, like, it like takes the wind all out of my sails. 150 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:37,372 Like when I'm like, I got my dukes up and that's my fleshy response. 151 00:13:37,372 --> 00:13:41,065 And normally I've already responded, unfortunately, with a little bit of that. 152 00:13:41,065 --> 00:13:46,240 And I have to just step back and be like, And it's just like, no, okay, okay, I can't, I can't. 153 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,931 That's not the right way to respond. 154 00:13:47,931 --> 00:13:49,771 need compassion, humility, patience. 155 00:13:49,771 --> 00:13:52,591 And for me, that bearing with word is super helpful. 156 00:13:52,691 --> 00:13:58,731 It implies like maybe the other person is being a little overbearing, but I'm supposed to bear with it. 157 00:13:58,731 --> 00:14:00,411 Even so. 158 00:14:00,991 --> 00:14:02,071 And it's okay. 159 00:14:02,071 --> 00:14:02,791 And God is there. 160 00:14:02,791 --> 00:14:04,191 And it's a wonderful thing. 161 00:14:04,191 --> 00:14:05,011 It's a beautiful thing. 162 00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:08,211 And you never regret responding that way. 163 00:14:08,211 --> 00:14:09,452 You know, we never do. 164 00:14:09,452 --> 00:14:11,372 So, Sarah, what about you? 165 00:14:12,095 --> 00:14:18,918 oh There are so many verses that just soften my heart. 166 00:14:19,498 --> 00:14:30,973 One of the things that is like a daily prayer of mine to begin the day is to help me see the people around me when I look at them that I can just remember that God loves them so 167 00:14:30,973 --> 00:14:31,323 much. 168 00:14:31,323 --> 00:14:40,787 And I know that that maybe seems like a childlike prayer or something like that, but I think if I can just remember that God loves them just like he loves me. 169 00:14:41,092 --> 00:14:46,277 And that just helps keep me humble. 170 00:14:46,277 --> 00:14:53,982 That just helps me remember that the way I do things is not any better, the way I think is not any better. 171 00:14:54,644 --> 00:15:04,471 so then I think, I love Galatians, Galatians 5, there's this whole thing that talks about how we're in freedom. 172 00:15:04,632 --> 00:15:07,154 And we have freedom in Christ. 173 00:15:07,154 --> 00:15:08,695 ah 174 00:15:09,351 --> 00:15:12,532 And we could use that for an opportunity to serve our flesh. 175 00:15:13,133 --> 00:15:19,936 But it says, love, serve one another, for the whole law is fulfilled in one word. 176 00:15:19,936 --> 00:15:22,056 You shall love your neighbors yourself. 177 00:15:22,437 --> 00:15:29,660 And then it says, but if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another. 178 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:36,863 And there's another version of those verses, another translation that 179 00:15:36,863 --> 00:15:40,177 oh It says beware of destroying one another. 180 00:15:40,180 --> 00:15:40,644 Mm. 181 00:15:40,644 --> 00:15:43,524 And that really just like, it catches in my throat. 182 00:15:43,524 --> 00:15:46,944 Like I don't want to destroy anyone that God has made. 183 00:15:47,084 --> 00:15:53,024 I want to encourage them and let them know how much God loves them. 184 00:15:53,024 --> 00:16:03,304 I mean, yes, they might kind of me crazy, but I want them to know everything that he has done for them. 185 00:16:03,364 --> 00:16:10,264 You know, like part of why I'm here is to share the love of Christ with people. 186 00:16:10,764 --> 00:16:13,425 and I have to remember my place. 187 00:16:14,266 --> 00:16:16,668 And so I go back to that all the time. 188 00:16:16,668 --> 00:16:23,412 Like, I might think I'm right, but really, it doesn't matter what I think about my opinion. 189 00:16:23,472 --> 00:16:27,235 And so I don't want to destroy any of my brothers or sisters. 190 00:16:27,235 --> 00:16:29,706 And I come back to that time and time again. 191 00:16:29,975 --> 00:16:30,845 Yeah. 192 00:16:30,995 --> 00:16:32,096 my goodness, that's so good, right? 193 00:16:32,096 --> 00:16:33,507 And just that perspective shift, right? 194 00:16:33,507 --> 00:16:36,468 Because when we're defensive, we're worried about our own emotions. 195 00:16:36,468 --> 00:16:37,569 And I mean, that's natural. 196 00:16:37,569 --> 00:16:40,077 there's nothing, I mean, that's part of life, right? 197 00:16:40,077 --> 00:16:43,131 I mean, nothing inherently wrong with that. 198 00:16:43,131 --> 00:16:47,713 But taking that perspective just outside, like just getting it a little bit higher, right? 199 00:16:47,713 --> 00:16:55,765 Outside of just my own concerns and my own feelings and just seeing like, yes, this is someone God loves and just getting that heavenly. 200 00:16:55,765 --> 00:17:02,579 eternal perspective of like, wow, there's so much more important things going on here than just how I'm feeling in this situation. 201 00:17:02,579 --> 00:17:07,793 And that can really just help us to have that compassion and have that love. 202 00:17:07,793 --> 00:17:11,535 And if it's still not helping us, just remember we have the Holy Spirit in us, right? 203 00:17:11,535 --> 00:17:15,437 And He empowers us to do what we can't do on our own. 204 00:17:15,558 --> 00:17:20,721 If you're feeling like I just can't, I can't do it, keep praying for help because God 205 00:17:21,043 --> 00:17:21,534 is there. 206 00:17:21,534 --> 00:17:29,250 And I'm talking to myself, my goodness, this is so helpful to just think through this um as well, because I do think it can just crop up so easily in so many different areas. 207 00:17:29,602 --> 00:17:41,936 If you don't close my mind, Linda, is like there's that verse in Romans, I think it's Romans chapter eight, where this just every time I think about it, it is like, what? 208 00:17:41,936 --> 00:17:55,069 Like when we are struggling with that defensiveness or we're struggling with how in the world am I going to like love on this person, that power from the Holy Spirit is enough 209 00:17:55,069 --> 00:17:57,069 power to raise Christ from the dead, right? 210 00:17:57,069 --> 00:17:57,624 Yes. 211 00:17:57,624 --> 00:18:08,490 So if that power that raised Christ from the dead is available to us from the Holy Spirit, I know that that power can help me get through this day, this moment. 212 00:18:08,490 --> 00:18:10,611 And there's just so much hope in that. 213 00:18:10,611 --> 00:18:13,592 I just, I cling to that so many times. 214 00:18:13,973 --> 00:18:14,734 I love that. 215 00:18:14,734 --> 00:18:15,915 love that. 216 00:18:15,915 --> 00:18:24,763 if those of that like music, a good song maybe to add to your playlist or go to listen to after this podcast is Phil Wickham's song, The Jesus Way. 217 00:18:24,763 --> 00:18:27,926 And he talks in that about just kind of like, it's really good. 218 00:18:27,926 --> 00:18:29,117 I'm not gonna spoil it for you. 219 00:18:29,117 --> 00:18:30,448 You go listen to it. 220 00:18:30,448 --> 00:18:31,989 It is so good. 221 00:18:31,989 --> 00:18:37,854 And kind of just reinforcing this idea of like, yes, I'm gonna respond the way that Jesus would have me respond. 222 00:18:37,854 --> 00:18:39,275 So that's awesome. 223 00:18:39,476 --> 00:18:41,807 Any final thoughts there as we wrap this one up? 224 00:18:42,029 --> 00:18:43,830 I'm just getting so pumped up. 225 00:18:45,111 --> 00:18:58,221 I just, I love, I love when we get an opportunity to bring the true grace of the gospel into how we are serving those that we are teaching and living with and walking side by 226 00:18:58,221 --> 00:18:59,429 side with every day. 227 00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:02,804 I think it's, I think it's exactly how Christ meant for us to live. 228 00:19:03,206 --> 00:19:05,627 It's a beautiful, a beautiful opportunity. 229 00:19:05,647 --> 00:19:07,518 So thank you guys so much for listening. 230 00:19:07,518 --> 00:19:10,609 As we wrap up, I have a few things just to share with you. 231 00:19:10,609 --> 00:19:13,130 We've mentioned a few things in today's episode. 232 00:19:13,130 --> 00:19:18,153 We talked first in the beginning about Teach for the Heart Plus where we have, where we answer mentor questions and help. 233 00:19:18,153 --> 00:19:26,456 So if that's something that you are interested in, you can go to teach4theheart.com / plus, um and you can find out more information about that. 234 00:19:26,456 --> 00:19:30,116 Another program we have is our Hope Renewed program, which is a five week kind of. 235 00:19:30,116 --> 00:19:38,191 of a nation of like Bible study and teaching that really helps you kind of stop feeling defeated and teach with joy and the hope of the Lord and kind of dive into some more of 236 00:19:38,191 --> 00:19:41,674 this of like how do we respond and react the way Jesus would have. 237 00:19:41,674 --> 00:19:44,996 So that's at teach4theheart.com / hope renewed. 238 00:19:44,996 --> 00:19:53,922 And if you're interested in either one of these programs, because you're a podcast listener, if you use the code podcast 20, you can save 20 % on either of those. 239 00:19:53,922 --> 00:19:59,895 We'll also link to these in the notes for this week's episode, which will be at teach4theheart.com / 240 00:20:01,110 --> 00:20:04,332 Well, this episode is brought to you in partnership with the Herzog Foundation. 241 00:20:04,332 --> 00:20:08,915 All views and opinions are our own and don't necessarily reflect those of the Herzog Foundation. 242 00:20:08,915 --> 00:20:10,486 Thank you so much for being with us. 243 00:20:10,486 --> 00:20:12,197 We look forward to being with you again soon. 244 00:20:12,197 --> 00:20:17,440 In the meantime, teach you remember God is at work in you and through you, and he's using you to make a difference. 245 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,111 Keep your eyes on him and teach for the heart.