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90's Rap: Dre Day to Willennium

Episode Transcript

Music.

Possum or raccoon, which one do you like better?

Raccoon.

Yeah.

Possums are filthy.

Filthy little animals.

Talk about some teeth.

You can't domesticate them.

Well, this whole story takes place in Kentucky.

It centers around a man reportedly known as Cowboy Cody.

He was arrested Friday after allegedly releasing a raccoon inside a bar.

According to the Murray Police Department up there in Kentucky, officers were called to the bar after a report of a man intentionally releasing a raccoon into the Big Apple Grill and Bar.

Officers later found the suspect, who was identified as 40-year-old Jonathan Mason.

Police said they had to forcibly remove Mason from the car because he refused to roll down his windows or exit the vehicle during a traffic stop.

Mason had been previously asked by the bar not to trespass on their property, so he came back and threw a raccoon in there, apparently.

Please tell me he said fire in the hole as he did it yeah i wish i know you know he yelled something yeah he said so yeah first you don't just do that go get him you gotta get heads up sick him sick him boy one person was bitten by the raccoon according to police oh wow yeah probably the first person they saw first person tried to pick it up probably the person he threw it on.

He'd throw it at the bouncer.

Oh, what a night at the Big Apple Barn Grill.

Dang.

And it's a, and it's a grill.

Should just start throwing scraps out of the kitchen.

Distract it.

I bet that thing went berserk when it got in there, man.

Oh, yeah.

Especially if he, he probably had it by the tail.

They got tails?

Yeah.

Had tail Probably Off there in the process I'm just trying to picture that In my head If I have it He better had it by the nap Of the neck Yeah you know he carried it Like that Oh sure Or cradle it like old baby, Or he might have been storing Like The United States Stores nukes Just like in a silo somewhere It's like Alright here we go Briefcase Yeah, Actually that does sound Looking at this guy I can imagine him having it Like an old duffel bag And he Just brings it to the center Of the bar Unzips it, It's in the lease Hey yeah Cody you can't be in here I've got a picture of my Uncle Tommy bringing a raccoon by the nap of the neck into my barbershop.

I'll get Joey.

I feel like I've seen that.

I'll get Joey to insert it.

It's dead, though, but it looks very much alive.

Do you happen to call him Cowboy Cody?

No.

He would probably do something like that for sure.

Cowboy Cody.

So what was the part about him not rolling his windows down for the cops?

Yeah, he got pulled over for a traffic stop, and then he refused to roll down his windows.

Is that related to the...

I think that they tracked him down.

I think it was, hey, we got a call about a raccoon at the bar.

So that's when they...

And then it was like, who did this, Cowboy Cody?

We told him he can't come in here.

Local police definitely knew who that was.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he's...

I don't know much about...

Yeah, the Datsun with a camper shell on it, probably.

Murray, Kentucky.

Murray, Kentucky, but I can't imagine this very big.

There's a weird way to say that.

Murray.

Well, you know, look around here in Alabama.

There's a lot of towns you think are said a certain way.

They are not.

They're not.

No.

So I wouldn't be shocked if Murray, Kentucky is actually Murray.

Probably.

Wouldn't surprise me.

Murray.

Man, that Cowboy Cody's at it again.

We're just saying that his name is Jonathan.

Yeah.

It's Cowboy Cody to them.

That, I didn't even catch that.

Yeah.

He's the big problem in the small town.

Yeah.

Guaranteed.

He's the big problem at the Big Apple, that's for sure.

What a weird name for a bar, too, in Kentucky.

Awful name.

And not wanting to roll your windows down is the biggest admission of guilt.

It won't.

I didn't see you there.

Maybe it was on the way to the Big Apple, and he's like, guys, I'm telling you, you don't want me to roll my windows down.

Right.

There's a raccoon in here.

Yeah.

This is for your safety.

He only listens to me.

You know.

All right.

You asked for it.

I can only imagine it's okay to name the bar the Big Apple if it was an abandoned Applebee's.

and all they did was erase Applebee's but left the apple in the logo and just made it big apple.

They like to do that over here.

Yeah, oh yeah.

Especially with motels and stuff.

Big time.

Just like an extra sign above it that says big, but it's a printed sign.

It's not like a lotted sign.

Yeah.

I like in Birmingham, they had that Ramada Inn.

They changed it to Adam Inn.

I think that adds up, right?

Yeah, it was right on the side of 3rd Avenue.

They were Aldi-ing these brands.

Yeah.

It was like, switch the words around.

It'll be fun.

That don't even sound good.

Oh, man.

Today's topic is 90s hip-hop.

Yeah, it is.

90s hip-hop.

We've had some spirited debate already in the chat about this.

I'm excited about some of these hoots and hollers we got going here.

The blast from the past.

Yeah.

That's what we like to do, man.

I already can tell it's going to be interesting in the age groups here of all of us.

Paul, you were the one that definitely knows early 90s.

And we're listening to like hip-hop back then yeah i'm real old well i remember early 90s music but i wasn't i wasn't listening i was i was more that age of them listening to whatever mom is listening to so if we want to talk about wilson phillips if we want to talk about anything that played on delilah i'm here for it as much as you listen and stuff yeah oh yeah i could do that all day yeah but what until like late 90s that like i really like am now listening to i remember specifically 1993 is when I started listening to rap music because it was when I heard Dr.

Dre, F with Dre Day off of Chronic Album.

And you're like, this is it.

I remember specifically, as soon as I heard that beat, I was like, oh, that's it.

This is what I like.

Where would one be able to listen to that song?

Was that on the radio around here in 1993?

MTV.

Okay.

That's how, yeah.

Yeah.

That corrupted all of us.

And I knew about like Run DMC and the 80s stuff and all that, but I didn't, I wasn't into it.

Run DMC was all I had known about as a kid just because of Aerosmith.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Beastie Boys.

Yeah.

Which I liked.

I still liked all that, but not.

Not like that West Coast sound that I heard.

Yeah.

Yeah, it wasn't in the game.

I guess as extreme for me would have been maybe MC Scat Cat in his debut with Paul Abdul as his duet.

Yeah, he was good, man.

One-hit wonder, you could say.

Whatever happened to the Scat Cat, I don't know.

Not a markable name.

No.

No, it wasn't.

Scat Cat.

MC Scat Cat.

Yeah.

Now they got Scat Packs running around the roads.

Oh, don't they?

Shout out to Scat.

i'll i'll kick us off go right ahead if you want to kick us off with the most serious album i think we'll talk about tonight which wouldn't you know saying my introduction to hip-hop i think was probably introduced to me through this album although i need to look go back and look at the timeline because then you got a hoot coming up that there's a holler i don't remember but that album he's got both you should have both that's how it works but but but i don't want to jump into yours but i'll say mine is uh is about a hip-hop out mostly hip-hop a little pop a little r&b mixed in there but it had an incredible list of accolades here it a song on there won three grammys six times certified platinum six singles that charted off of an album which is crazy impressive and that is of course music from inspired by the motion picture space jam yeah the yeah the pivotal hip-hop moment this is well there's this was like the first hip-hop album.

Outside of another one we'll talk about a second that i but i think that my parents didn't bat an eye at me vine didn't but also any at the exactly it should be safe but at the same rate all my cds were coming from walmart so they're all clean anyway there was no you already got the scrub version by default.

Yeah.

But that's another thing.

This out, these are the tracks here.

Number one, you kick it off with Fly Like an Eagle, the cover that Seal did.

Oh, forgot about that.

So good.

Yes.

Coolio's Rap the winner, that had no accolades, but it was still, it was a great track.

Quad City DJ's Space Jam.

You may remember them for their work as Come On Ride the Train.

Oh yeah.

Donkey butt.

Yeah.

Then the one that won like three Grammys, triple Grammy winner.

Became like a standout ballad of the entire decade of the 90s although nobody will talk about now because of the things that he did that's i believe i could fly by r kelly, this is the one track that stands out to me two two of the rap tracks or hip-hop tracks hit them high the mon stars anthem we my basketball team came out to that song yeah it was a good song one of the best posse cuts of the 90s it had be real from cypress hill yeah buster rhymes Coolio, L, Cool J, and Method Man.

It's also the only track where, I think it's Coolio and Method Man, or Busta Rhymes and Method Man, or it's the only track they ever did together.

I think that's the case.

But that's some of your icons of that era, too.

I think so.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

It was great.

Did not, did not, it charted in the UK, but not here for some reason.

Coolio's the only one that really don't fit in there.

You don't think so?

Skill-wise, no.

You don't think he's on that same level?

Not as those guys.

Definitely not.

He has a lot of songs, though.

Coolio did.

He did.

He did a better job on that.

i i felt like buster rhimes his his his lines on there were not as good as they kind of could have been yeah he didn't he kind of phoned it in like l o cool j went off on that one yeah yeah he he showed off he's underrated massively i feel like coming like as as when in his prime i wasn't listening to to hip-hop music so i kind of see him after like oh he's one of the original ones back in the early 90s late 80s yeah and but at that time like in the late 90s and 2000s he's kind of like this kind of like he feels like a heartthrob like he's like oh he was definitely ladies love cool jay is what he says it himself he'll admit it yep yeah so i didn't really take him serious as like an mc until you go back and listen to his old stuff and he was doing a lot of acting at that point yeah yeah yeah yeah he went the way of the luda yeah yeah he did it before luda but yeah ludicrous really underrated as well yeah when you get into a 2000s episode now i can i can fully join in that discussion well actually no i start i stopped listening by the late 2000s, The era of Soulja Boy is when I'm like, I'm out.

Oh, it got bad.

Yeah.

That's a swag rap.

Yeah, I'm with Ice-T on that one.

Yeah.

Had a lot of arena songs in there, too.

Like, typical basketball songs.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Was 1 Theriot Is on that one?

I don't think so.

No.

No, it wasn't?

No.

That was on a Jock James.

Jock James.

Which I had.

I've got all those.

Really?

Yeah.

I had Jock Rock.

I played the crap out of those.

So much so that now when some of those songs play, instinctively my mind goes to like starts playing the next track.

Yeah.

It's never.

Yeah.

It's never Dick Vitale yelling or anything like that.

Remember they do those little cuts in between the songs?

Oh, that'd get you hyped, dude.

Oh, yeah.

But the favorite track on here, though, that I didn't realize at all until like a few years ago, and I think I talked about it on an episode here before, which is the last track.

Oh, I know what you guys are.

Which is the Bugs Bunny rap.

Yeah.

And if you go back and listen to it, you're like, really listen to the words.

Because you can tell it is ghostwritten by Sean Carter, a.k.a.

Jay-Z, very early in his career.

He got that gig to write that rap.

And you can tell the flow is exactly like Jay-Z's, but Bugs Bunny there, he tears it up.

He does a great job.

It's a diss track almost to Michael, which is weird because he's on his team.

But he does take shots at Michael, which is funny.

Yeah, he got confused.

Who should he have a rat beef with, like...

Bugs Bunny.

The dude.

Daffy, maybe.

Yeah, at some point Daffy.

Elmer Fudd.

Yeah, Elmer Fudd.

Elmer Fudd.

And Yosemite Sam.

Hates Bugs Bunny.

Fudd you.

Yes, hates him.

Yeah.

There you go, drop bars, Bugs.

Yeah.

That would have been great.

What the Fudd's up.

We are playing fire right now.

You better hope they auto-caption is good.

Yeah.

Man.

Yeah.

See, movies like Space Jam and what I'm going to talk about, that was like my intro to hip-hop because I was like six, seven, eight-ish when all those movies started coming out with those cool hip-hop soundtracks.

Yeah.

So it was like, when I got a little bit older, my dad was more cool with me listening to Dr.

Dre and Eminem and all that that I eventually moved into.

Boy, my parents did not let me listen to it.

I came straight out trying to listen to Two Live Crew, man.

They were like, nope.

No.

That was on Jenny Jones.

You ain't going to do what it says right there, not to listen not to let your kids listen to that cause the first CD I ever bought was the Chronic like with my own money like I didn't have somebody buy for me it was a Chronic album, boy I looked through my god I should have brought my CD case my is it on Binder still yeah I got the Binder it is full of the best 90's hip hop CDs ever all of them, Bad wish I thought I'd do that.

You got the Space Jam soundtracking?

No.

Well, then you don't have the best.

I'm missing that one.

You don't have the best.

It's so hard to get, you know?

I know we're talking about hip-hop, but we need to recognize Seal for dropping two absolute soundtrack bangers in the 90s.

Oh, yeah.

Space Jam and Batman?

Yeah.

Kids from a Rose.

I hope you get paid well for those.

Because, kaboom.

Thunder rolls.

Yes, it does.

But not on hip-hop night.

Not on hip-hop night.

Oh, man.

Well, my holler.

He snagged, sorry, he snagged Heidi Clinton for a brief time, right?

Yeah.

So, yeah, he's doing good.

He didn't make money.

He got a model.

Did you see, did you ever see that, the name of the movie was Pop Star.

It was by the Lonely Island guys that were on S&L.

I never watched it.

So good.

Funny.

I love Andy Samberg, though.

Very funny movie.

It's really just a big parody of, like, musical documentary movies.

Yeah.

It's really good.

They spoof parody a lot in there.

I need to check that out.

You should.

It's always been on my list to watch, and I keep forgetting about it.

Worth it.

Worth a watch.

I love, what was their, Lonely Island?

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah, they were great.

Still was some time on the boat.

On the flip side of the coin, terrible 90s hip hop.

Really no shortage of that as you get to the end of the decade.

My least favorite, for multiple reasons, is a song by Cisco called The Thong Song.

Yeah.

Thong, thong, thong.

A celebration of undergarments.

Because my beef with it was it's catchy.

Lyrically, you know, it's what it is.

Dumps like a truck, truck, truck.

Thigh's like, what, what, what?

It is what it is, which is not much at all.

We've all seen that, yeah.

It's not much there.

Don't have to be.

Did he sing it hard?

He went maybe too hard.

He sang all over that track.

Lots of runs.

Yes, yes.

Through the chorus.

Like it was like the...

The climax of Les Mis.

Like, he was really giving it everything he had.

I'm like, sir, we're talking about...

Well, first of all, that was his Les Mis.

That was it.

Les Thongs.

This is it, yeah.

I hate those, that fact.

That comes out in 1999.

So 13, 14, I am watching MTV now, and Thong Song is on, and in comes Mama Dow.

I'm in the living room watching what I thought was TRL or whatever.

Oh, crap, Cisco's number one.

I have to, like...

Yeah.

Make sure nobody's coming.

Thanks a lot, Cisco.

He's on the video, like, being silly on the beach, man.

and chasing girls around and stuff.

Yeah.

I'm with water guns, ain't he?

Yeah.

Oh, that's the whole video, yeah.

With that platinum hair.

I think they did him making the video on that, too, didn't they?

Pretty sure they did.

I feel like they did.

As big as the song it was, they had to have.

Yeah.

Man, what a 1999 song.

I mean, that's it right there.

That's one of those you thought that we were all going to die in 2000 when the Y2K, so you're just going out big.

You know what?

Drop it.

Let him do the song.

That's been sitting in the vault for 30 years.

Let's do it.

Tom Green singing about bums, So let's let him sing about thongs Yeah, really I don't think Cisco was Was feeling any of those girls On that beach though If I've Heard correctly Oh Could be wrong That would be That's a twist Right there I was not I'm not aware of that Drew Hill though However They had some Some fire songs Yeah The band he came from Yeah Or group Yes, Yes Unleashed the Dragon Meeting personalities Huh One of his meeting personalities Mm-hmm.

That platinum hair was cool though for real that was a dope look yeah people were dying their hair platinum yeah I tried and then when I bleached my hair it turned orange so I was like never mind me doing that oh you did the bleach I tried going like the platinum bleach blonde look not with how dark my hair is did you do it yourself, no I went to a salon did you really.

They bleached it and it didn't turn out that way I was like, damn, I can't even look like M&M.

I never got in on that.

Oh, 10th grade, dude, we all had it.

Oh, there was half my class did.

All of us.

That and sun in was a thing.

Oh, yeah.

Lemon juice.

Turned out all you need is peroxide.

Yeah.

M&M said it.

Yeah.

Shout out to Devin Sawa.

That's what he did.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Dennis, I won.

Well, look, you just entered the basement.

Yeah.

The greatest rapper of the 90s.

Look who it is.

Oh, that was appropriate because we are talking about the thong song.

Yeah.

See, look at you there.

You were yours, didn't you?

You missed it.

I just want to apologize to anybody listening and or watching.

I know it was probably tough without me here.

I apologize.

We're actually doing.

We're ready to roll now.

We were doing really well.

Something tells me that that just can't be true.

Until this moment, right now.

I hate to, yeah.

I mean, listen, I'm just going to say it.

How do you feel about it?

We'll air out the dirty laundry thongs for everybody.

You know we start at seven.

And Drake, you can track him, right?

Where's he at?

Oh, he's at his house.

Are we doing this?

His house.

Who was here at eight o'clock last week?

Week before.

We all were.

Yeah, once you got here at eight o'clock.

We were.

One time.

Hey.

Go through the catalog and see if this chair is ever empty.

You went full-blown absent.

Yeah, I had to.

The school wouldn't have let you in if this would have been an academic event.

Yeah, that was on me.

No, it said you get the write-off of public humiliation.

Yeah.

I don't even think we got a heads up from you either.

You know what?

I'm just going to be super late.

I'm going to make them wonder if I died.

One billion percent said, hey, if we're doing it tonight with the rain, let me know because I'm on my way back from Coleman.

And that's not a quick trip.

Yeah, you did.

You did.

It's not a quick trip.

You did.

Also, I was like, I don't know if he might as going to be late.

Well, you said.

It's me.

You already prefaced it.

I was at the house late.

We also thought you meant you were coming from Coleman to here.

Yeah.

But you didn't do that.

That would, logically, that would have been, that would have saved you.

Well, Drake could have answered that question.

Because he knows I take my work truck home now.

And probably, I can't say for certain, they probably frowned upon me swinging by the podcast basement before taking the work truck.

What if we give your work a shout out?

I don't know.

Let's not do that.

Legally, I don't think he's allowed to.

Yeah.

They don't want him.

Anybody know that he works for this?

For Alabama Power?

Yeah.

Big shout out to the power company.

You still work for Movie Gallery, isn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah, we've got four locations.

Coming up.

Watch out.

He moved on to Blockbuster.

Yeah.

Now we put them out of business.

Yeah.

Little known fact there.

No, but for real, where did we make it to?

Y'all are talking about the thong song.

How do you feel about the thong song?

Yeah, we've talked about Space Jam and now we're all thong song.

You miss the raccoon.

Yeah.

Loves it.

Are we done the what's in the news?

Yeah, well, somebody threw a raccoon in a bar.

Nothing.

They got kicked out of the bar.

They also threw a sheriff in jail.

They did.

That's, yep.

We ain't talking about that here.

Yeah, I owe, that's some hyper-local news.

I owe that to a few of our listeners that have reached out and basically begged for us to discuss that.

Yeah.

I said, I don't know that we can go into great detail, but I tell you what, I will acknowledge it.

Yeah, it's tough to do when the majority of our audience does not live in the state of Alabama.

Exactly.

But I will say, if you're interested in the drama of our local town, then just Google Walker County, Alabama.

I guarantee you'll be the first thing that pops up.

First thing.

And we're going to leave it there.

We'll leave it there.

Unless you would like to know more about how crazy it is here.

Just keep scrolling.

There's more stories for other things.

Dive into it, really.

Just embrace the culture.

Yeah, you're going to think it's in Florida.

Watch us on YouTubes and then search Walker County and you'll be entertained for hours.

You want some keywords to make it more fun?

Walker, coach, half.

Coleman, halftime.

Yeah.

No, actually, you know the game.

It was like half one.

Yeah, midfield, punch.

Yes.

Some elite content coming from the county.

So good.

Yeah, Walker County won that one.

Just going to put that out there.

Parrish, Alabama.

Poop train.

Love the poop train.

Townley rest stop.

Yeah.

Don't confuse the poop train with the poop cruise, though.

Two different things.

Poop cruise?

That's news to me.

What's the poop cruise?

I don't remember when it happened.

A couple years ago or something.

Some cruise got like stranded.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I thought we had a poop cruise here.

No, I thought this one.

I thought somebody was floating the water.

Yeah, maybe.

Tyson Chicken tried to have one, didn't they?

They did actually do it.

Yeah, they did.

You are right.

We did have poop cruise.

The fish did, at least.

RIP to all of them.

What was the little party boat that would come up to the Frosty from Tuscaloosa every now and then?

The Bama Bell?

Bama Bell.

Yeah, that's what it was.

Hell yeah.

That'd have been a good one to poop cruise, probably.

I didn't know the Bama Bell came up to here.

Yeah.

Maybe they were shooting thong song video.

It will, if, uh, I think it depends on the water levels.

Yeah.

They'll come up and dock under the bridge there for a little while.

Nice.

What a place to explore.

The Frosty's no longer exists in jeans.

I'm happy.

They got to get a staircase there at the Frosty that goes down to the water, right?

I feel like that's too much of a liability.

That's steep drop.

It is.

Yeah, I don't think they want that on their plate.

That's fair.

A lot of landscaping.

Also, imagine falling and then trying to yell.

Nobody can hear you.

It's so loud right there.

You got to sign a waiver when you get a cheeseburger.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I want cheese.

Order for Matt?

He's gone.

Matt?

I think Matt's the guy.

Oh, throw a rock down there at him.

He's way down there by the bank.

That is your family.

Can we get them to enunciate names when we yell them out?

Because right now we're just grunting.

Sometimes it's just, Matt?

What do you want a PA system next?

This is it.

You got to like, you're giving them a sound.

Don't even bother giving them your name.

You just decide who you want to be.

Matt?

Yeah.

Talk.

If you got three syllables, you might as well hang it up.

Hang it up.

You just go with me.

I like if they don't even holler.

They just bang on the window.

Oh, yeah.

I don't want a thing to change about that place.

I want you to eyeball me down.

Yeah.

I'll be looking.

I'm going to look.

I'm hungry.

They know who you're looking.

I'm waiting.

You ain't got to wait on me.

Make eye contact with me.

It's easy for me when his mom's there because she's just like, ready to go.

You got to throw a hand out the window.

Oh, your mama works there?

She'll move on every now and then.

Really?

I don't think I've seen her there.

What time do you go?

Like 60.

70.

No, she ain't made it there yet.

The same lady is always working when I go.

Yeah, same for me.

She's been there for it.

Yeah, she's moving on to Camp York.

She's there every time.

All the time.

Nah, just random.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think mom's like a PM shift.

I've seen her for sure.

Yeah.

Without a doubt.

The thong song.

483-0717, if I believe right.

The old Frosty.

Yep.

Look at that.

Got it memorized.

I don't like the transition that you just threw out from my mom to the thong song.

Wow.

We'll pick it up.

That's where his head was.

That's like that time when he went on a cruise with his mother-in-law.

Oh.

Remember?

I do.

Shout out.

Shout out to that.

Shout out Yaya.

Yaya.

Yaya, sister.

Yaya, Yaya.

Hey, them pants was traveling.

Yaya, Yaya, Yaya.

Jackson couldn't pronounce Linda when he was a kid, so he said ya-ya.

I like that, man.

I like it.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a thing.

Kids.

You can't talk.

You got to be in the mood for the Thone song, I feel like.

It's not one that you're going to casually listen to.

I'm not going to play it.

Matt's not going to listen to it ever.

You're out completely.

Well, listen, I mean, I guess there's a time and a place, and the time is never.

Karaoke would be good.

What if you were on a nice carnival cruise ship?

Karaoke would have to be, oh, yeah.

Yeah, if it's a drunk karaoke song, no doubt, hands down, there's no doubt about it.

All right, y'all, y'all, get to the floor.

Where my y'all, y'all's at tonight?

Touch them toes, y'all, y'all.

Here we go.

Please don't.

Time to shake them y'all, y'all.

Oh, no.

You might want to take a bathroom break or something.

That's another one where you got to sign a waiver before you get that cheeseburger.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

That's a toughie.

Chalk that up on the list of reasons I'll never go on another cruise.

Yeah, once you see that.

No hot dogs.

I mean, you had to be just pure hell.

He was so mad about that.

Yeah.

I'm so mad.

I ain't got no hot dogs.

I did have hot dogs.

I won't get off.

$7,000, and they don't have a single hot dog here.

That's one.

I feel you.

That's all right.

Good.

No.

You were so excited about it, and that's what hurts the most, I feel like.

Yeah.

It don't hurt us.

No, well, for us, it's pure entertainment.

Yeah.

I mean, what am I here for?

It's fair, I guess.

It's true.

You have, since we started this podcast, you have taken an absolute beating.

Lisa, show up.

You're still here?

Yeah, that's what makes you a crowd favorite right there.

Exactly.

You're still here for it.

And we love you for that.

We've definitely got it.

I hope we get to the point where we can have an official cruise.

Like, every year, it's the Hoot and Holler Cruise.

And we get, we pick the crappiest carnival cruise ship we can get.

I mean, we can start with, like, a pontoon on the river or something.

We can get the Bama Bell.

Maryland just parks on the river.

We can just.

Yeah.

Hoot and Holler Cruise.

God, that'd be fun.

I think we could 100% sell that.

Yeah.

We're about to be able to take a cruise now.

Yeah, it's coming down.

So hopefully we're not able to hear.

Ironically enough, when I was pulling up, literally right at the edge of the driveway is where the rain started.

And I was like, you've got to be kidding me.

The rain has been stupid here for about two solid months now.

We can't go three days without rain.

It's awful.

I've got to have my basement tore up next week to put in a sump pump.

Flooded?

Oh, it's been flooding.

And it's probably got some rain water in it right now.

Rich people can't have money putting an indoor pool in there.

It is taking my money.

They are taking all of my money.

Slap a pool liner down.

That's what you ought to do.

It'd be a good slip and slide in that basement.

Slide right into the wall.

Any of your things get damaged?

No.

That's good.

I've moved them all away.

I know it's coming every time it rains.

Get everything up a little higher.

Yeah.

Start building some shelves in there.

How bad is it, Joey?

He's taking the headphones off.

Joey said it's okay.

Yeah, it's all right.

All right, well, I'll tell you what we'll do.

We'll make the rain stop while we take this little break, and we come back, and maybe we'll be dry or maybe underwater.

It'll start rain until he showed up.

Granny's up there making it rain.

Keep him wet.

Oh, is that ya-ya?

Not ya-ya.

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Well, well, well.

So we've still got...

You said will, will, will?

Will, will, will.

Which takes us to our next hoot and holler.

Leading us into the Will-Linium?

Yes.

Will Smith?

Will-Linium.

I'm going to hoot and holler about Will Smith.

Be careful with some soundtrack.

He might come in here and smack.

He might.

Thanks for Joey bleeping.

Golly.

There he goes.

Yep.

Shows up late, comes in cussing.

Well, you know.

Have that on them big jobs.

Keep his wife's name out your mouth, though.

Yeah, you better.

Yeah.

She's a fall-hands scallywag.

You were on to something, though.

When you typed that out, It was, I was like, yeah, he really went off there on Men in Black.

It's great.

It's great to listen to Bill.

I can listen to it again.

I'm like, it's still a great song.

And it was.

It is.

From what it was, it was a good song.

I agree.

It's a good soundtrack song.

And I think it's ridiculous that I agree with that.

It's no fresh.

It is.

Listen, you come in here and act like Will Smith didn't write occasionally some really good songs.

And didn't have to cuss to sell records.

No, he didn't.

but now he's trying to yeah yeah it just it needs to just move on just please just move on that miami you are filthy rich go take your money and just he can make he has money he can cuss but growing up that was one of those like my favorite songs for any movie together, And if you listen to the lyrics, it's actually telling you stuff they do in the movie.

Like, you won't remember.

They flash them.

Oh, yeah.

And so, like, that was always, as a kid, on my playlist.

Or on my CDs.

Which part to do for Wild, Wild West, because what was that movie?

It was just somebody discovered what, like, the steampunk aesthetic was.

And, like, let's make a movie about that.

The movie's really.

Was Jackie Chan in that?

No.

Nope.

Are you confusing Will Smith for Chris Tucker?

I'll be honest.

I have no idea if it was or not.

No, it was like Kevin Clyde.

Yeah, it was Kevin Clyde and Will Smith.

And Selma Hayek, right?

We're talking about Rush Hour, man.

Yeah, you are.

No, that was another one.

It was Owen Wilson.

Owen Wilson and Jackie Chan.

I'll forget them.

Is he showing how they're and Will Smith?

Or showing how not.

Wow.

Something like that.

Wow.

Yeah, small holler is the Wild Wild West song that they did with Drew Hill's AKA Cisco.

I forgot he was on that.

Man, he ruined everything He touched in the 90s.

He was singing.

Like, he was, what we were talking about with the run, the student, like, dangerous for long runs.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, like an R&B Chris Stapleton.

What?

Don't.

He likes to do it.

He likes to do it, too.

Just saying.

You're not wrong about that, but I enjoy listening to it.

But the way he said, we're going straight to the Wild West in the song, it sounded like he's, like, pinching off a turd while he's, like, squeezing and singing.

That's a little bit.

To the going street.

Yeah.

Cisco?

Yeah.

Drew Hill.

He had multiple personalities.

Oh.

That's why he had to do it.

He couldn't deliver it in the Cisco voice.

It'd be infringement.

Yeah.

That's fair point.

I wonder if Drew Hill had a lower fee than Cisco.

And that's why Will got him instead.

Was Drew Hill in that?

Yeah.

He was in the Wild Wild West song.

That's the whole band.

That's the whole group.

Drew Hill.

How many of them is it?

It's like three?

Yeah.

Is it?

Cisco is a member of Drew Hill.

Well, only Cisco was in the video.

If I remember right.

It was just Cisco, yeah.

Yeah, it's a Drew Hill on the track.

Dadgum clue.

Yeah, Drew Hill is the group that Cisco came from.

Okay.

You're thinking of Druid City.

That's a bar.

Druid City, Tuscaloosa.

Yeah.

The other singers of Drew Hill don't even get a clickable name on Wikipedia.

They don't even have their own individual entries.

They might have swapped out a bunch like Destiny's Child.

Just Cisco.

Yeah, there were.

Or they did switch a few out there.

That's what threw me off is because only Cisco, if I remember right, was in the music video.

I think you're right because I thought it was just him in it.

He just threw him a bone and they didn't do nothing with it.

Now, I remember the cool sunglasses that Burger King put out for that movie.

Wow.

I remember that.

Yeah.

I don't remember that.

I don't.

They were round steampunk sunglasses.

Yeah, I'm sure they were.

Yeah.

If you watch the trailer, whatever the sunglasses were Will Smith had on, that's what they were.

Man, that was another great thing about the 90s is that we had like movies were like the event of the year.

Like you led up to it with the soundtrack.

They were dropping singles like months before the movie came out to get you hyped for it.

And then there were going to be all these tie-ins.

It'd be like for sure McDonald's or Burger King was going to do some sweet awesome toy or collector's cups or something.

Then there'd just be a bunch of other stuff candy bars other stuff somebody'd be italians everywhere they'd be like gas station be these big old cutouts of batman even when they come out to video there would be a another big another big thing yeah that's why i appreciated the men like i could finally watch it yeah that's why i appreciated the men in black lyrics as i got older because it was like they're literally telling you what's happening in the movie, now i get it yeah so you can just listen to the song without having to watch the movie No, it makes me want to watch it.

Plus, it's one of the best rival Universal Studios.

It's a good movie.

It's a 90s movie.

It's a great movie.

Good popcorn movie.

I never watched that Wild Wild West, but I just assume it is a pile-off crack.

It's not great.

It is.

What was the movie that Riggins did?

Brother, look, I just got Jackie Chan confused.

Don't come to me with...

Riggins?

It was the John Carter of the 90s.

Whoa.

John Carter's gosh.

where they spent a lot of money and it flopped.

What's John Carter?

Isn't that the guys on Mars?

Yeah.

Yeah, that one flopped pretty bad.

No, it was like bankruptcy Disney there.

I do not have a clue what that is.

John Carter.

Apparently it was a really good book.

Oh, you're talking about Coach Carter.

Nope.

Yes.

That's not a flop.

Lawrence Fishburne?

Nope.

Oh, my gosh.

Can you identify any black person?

at all yeah no he cannot, he knows like five I'm gonna pull a picture of a black person right now he did just come he did just come from Coleman oh good point I've been washed yeah, that's tough man this is a fun game though I like it yeah this maybe this isn't the hoot and holler category for you.

Name this man it's not Eminem is it that's old Mallard Luther King that is Idris Elba yeah I mean that's a layup the next Bond.

Man.

That's James Bond?

That's a cool man right there for the record.

He was in...

He's the voice of Knuckles in Sonic the Hedge.

Yeah, I think he is.

Okay, cool points went down jizzling.

He's in...

Went up a thousand.

He was in Fast and the Furious.

Nope.

No.

Not him.

Oh, my gosh.

You think he's ludicrous?

Tyrese.

Or Tyrese.

Yeah, Tyrese.

Or Bow Wow.

Bow Wow wasn't that way.

Oh, man.

How did Bow Wow not get brought in?

He wasn't really nice.

It was more 2000s.

I don't think he had anything in the 90s.

I don't think he was born in the 90s.

Did you get some little Romeo in the late 90s, maybe?

Maybe.

Criss-cross.

Maybe.

You got criss-cross.

Criss-cross to make you jump.

That's a good song.

Yeah.

That one holds up, too.

Yeah, it does.

When did Bow Wow make his debut?

He was discovered by rapper Snoop Dogg at the age of six in 1993.

Oh, no.

Okay, so his first album's 2000.

So he's right there on the cusp.

Wait, hold on.

He was six in 93.

Put his first album out since he was 12, 13.

Yeah, he was a little guy.

That's why they call him Lil.

Lil.

Yeah, because he's not little no more.

He's just Bow Wow.

Bow Wow.

Whatever he's doing now.

What is he doing?

Who knows?

Lil Romeo was- Master P's guest.

Yeah.

He's son.

Coming from the south there.

Yeah.

He had one good song.

One good song.

What?

Luck out No Little Soldier Lil' Romeo So Lil' Romeo Will not be in mine Oh Well Moving right along His dad is part of The movement That was This will be my My hoot The rise of Southern hip hop Early 90s And then all through The 90s Now I've got something to say And continue to Shape Rap music Today even Yeah Obviously Atlanta And the big one to pop up early, Outkast, Goody Mob, all them, Houston, UGK, Ghetto Boys, Memphis, 8-Ball, MJG, 3-6.

Who else was in there?

Mississippi was doing a little bit.

New Orleans, Master P.

And No Limit Records.

Mississippi gave us David Banner.

David Banner.

And Bubba Sparks.

No, Bo Sparks are Georgia.

He's from Georgia.

They gave us David Banner.

They gave us David Banner and probably nothing else.

Yeah.

I mean, later on, we got Soulja Boy, but yeah.

Are you a Mississippi guy?

Yeah.

Oh, God.

We're not going to count him.

No.

I've seen the other day, he was doing a show for about 10 people, but I don't know if it was accurate or not.

It looked like a sound check.

It looked like a meet and greet sound check.

Some people say Drake stole his flow.

By some people, I mean Soulja Boy says that.

Yeah, of course.

So my question for you is enjoying hip-hop for most of the 90s like you did.

Like, my knowledge of the Southern hip-hop game is, you know, when I started listening to more hip-hop, late 90s, they're already pretty mainstream.

They're mainstream here for sure.

Because it was not hard to, yeah, it was not hard here.

You're going to turn on the one rap station we can get out here, which is 95.7.

Shout out.

Buck wild and boring yeah who else oh the white dude that used to be on there uh be money.

Ricky smiley back in the day was on there yep yeah but you could get they were playing just as much southern hip-hop as they were west coast or or east oh that's all they were playing yeah and so the pastor story all those guys yeah it was big on there yes playing them on yeah no you wouldn't hear you would hear a big tupac record but not you were but not on mt it wasn't as prevalent on mtv but locally you turn on the radio here and you you won't hear that stuff it wasn't like it just yeah popped up but like was it harder to find that in the early 90s yeah it was not harder to find it they just started the artists started kind of getting prevalent like yeah outcast obviously was the biggest they kind of hit like 91 to 93 somewhere around there yeah but mid 90s is when they start all the southern rap started really peaking yeah especially when like no limit and like master p and all that stuff came on it really make him really really yeah what a jail yeah album covers were if you didn't live through that you have no idea how big he was yeah i don't and they don't get the respect that's the thing that whole that style and aesthetic of the the 90s hip-hop albums which is like giant microsoft word style text top bottom and fire flames so That's all Southern good pop albums.

One firm did every one of those.

Did they?

Yeah.

Where are they out of?

Do you know where?

Bessemer.

No.

I want to say they was like from up north somewhere.

Yeah.

I'm not positive.

It was two white dudes.

Really?

I'm pretty sure.

And they did every single one of them.

Huh.

All of them.

That's pretty impressive.

Did you do a little documentary on that?

Where'd you find this?

I think I read it on Instagram.

No.

Not just a Travis Strick.

Yeah.

No.

Oh.

Well versed.

Yeah.

Not a one-trick pony.

If you had to go back and you had the power to put Travis Tritt in the 90s back in the recording booth for Great Day to Be Alive in 1999 as he records that, maybe the greatest country track of all time.

Arguably.

What rising Southern hip-hop artist would you do as a feature on Great Day to Be Alive by Travis Tritt?

Zero.

No.

It's a great song.

Don't cop out.

It's a great question.

Don't cop out.

I wouldn't do it.

You got to.

Don't cop out.

I wouldn't have to.

I'd want to sacrifice Ludacris Oh, you think he's going to kill him?

Late 90s, early 2000s No, no, not worried about that I don't want it to ruin that artist for me, Because I hate those kind of collabs.

You didn't like Tim McGraw and Nelly?

That's the only one I was about to pop that one off.

You didn't play that with George Lyon and Nelly?

Over and over again.

You didn't like insert country artist and Nelly?

Nope.

Surely, well, this will change your mind.

Surely you've heard Gary Levox of Rascal Flatts fame and Akon in there.

Pour me another, hold the umbrella, whatever it is.

I sent y'all that TikTok.

Yeah.

And I keep popping up my feed, so thank you for that.

You're welcome.

Now, you want to see more of this?

I do remember when Akon threw that 14-year-old off the stage.

Yeah, he did do that.

He did, man.

I don't know if Gary knows about that.

Somebody needs to tell.

Akon was like African or something.

He's not playing those games.

What is the game?

Run up on stage.

Oh, yeah.

He'd get tossed out.

Yeah.

Dave Chappelle, also a person that doesn't play those games.

No.

He straight yeeted somebody off the stage.

Yeah, you don't mess around with Akon, man.

Yeah, do what you got to do.

He looks like a Somali pirate or something.

How?

No, he don't.

He does.

He looks dangerous, is what I'm saying.

That girl is dangerous.

Was he in jail for a little while?

Or did you just sing about it in the locked up?

No, I think he got...

I feel like he did disappear for quite a while.

He got the locked up song, but I don't think he ever actually done jail time.

I think he got deported or something.

Well, that's not fair.

Is that where he wrote Mr.

Lonely?

Yeah, I did that too.

Man, his catalog is all over the place.

I think he wrote Mr.

Lonely and then locked up, came out.

I would have bet money that was Shaggy.

Close.

Yeah.

He was doing something else.

Not Rastafarian enough.

Mm-mm.

Yeah.

He's not, he don't even talk like that.

Y'all know that?

Who, Shaggy?

Yeah.

You're thinking about Bob Marley.

Bob Marley.

Very much talk like that.

Very Jamaican.

Very much Jamaican.

Just a little bit.

Here he goes again.

Also, how many offspring of Bob Marley, do you ever like, For the other day, like his grandson or something had a song a couple years ago that I liked.

I couldn't remember his name, so I was just typing in Marley.

Yeah.

Like 50 Marleys.

It was a lot.

The most popular is like Ziggy Marley.

Yeah, Ziggy's the only one I know.

Damian Marley's good.

He's a little bit more of a rapper kind of.

I don't think he was either one of those that had the song that I liked.

He's got a song with Nas that is really good.

It's called like something Zion or something like that.

It's very good.

That tracks Zion, you know.

Yeah, it's very good.

They like saying that.

Yeah, there's a lot of them though.

But Ziggy's probably the most successful.

Yeah.

There's just a lot of Marlies.

A lot of them.

That's a name that you're going to use if you're attached to it and doing that music.

Yeah, I get it.

There was even one in A Christmas Carol.

A Marley?

A Marley.

Stop.

To be second.

Yeah.

Sailed right over me.

Well, that's some good Dickens humor.

Yeah.

That's really the best one is Jacob.

Yeah.

Jacob.

Spitting bars.

And then there's Marley and Me.

That's about Bob Marley.

That.

Remember that starring Will Smith?

Yeah.

No, Jackie Chan.

As the dog.

Yeah.

As Marley.

Chris Tucker was the dog.

You guys are talking about that Dr.

Doofus movie.

Can you understand the barks that are coming out of my mouth?

All right, time to go on.

And on that note, I'm going to holler.

My holler is the corniness of this entire episode.

Everything we've ever done.

Yeah.

The four white guys talking 90s hip hop.

Yeah.

They don't know who they're messing with.

I can't wait for the YouTube comments.

I can't wait.

We smile at those.

I'm sorry for you guys.

Lamed.

I did my part.

Yeah.

No, I didn't.

I stayed in my lane, which was the Space Jam.

Yeah, hey, you guys know what's neat?

Space Jam.

I spoke in a time.

Hey, you're knocking on all you want to.

I spoke in a time in Atlanta.

I didn't come on here acting like I was a 90s hip-hop historian.

That was 2000.

We get 2000.

I got this shirt at Walmart.

What's up, vintage?

You got Will Ferrell on my shirt.

Yeah you yeah he came prepared hey i got whitney houston i don't know who that was.

Low-key, we'll let Beyoncé from this angle.

Beyoncé.

All right, anyways.

My holler is how mostly Bad Boy Records, Junior Mafia, and all those Diddy crew, how they love to wear giant pinstripe suits and fedoras and ride around an old Rolls Voice in their videos and everything.

That whole aesthetic was garbage.

They really took the Mafia portion of the Junior Mafia.

They thought they were, yeah.

The utmost degree.

They were gangsters, don't get me wrong.

Like zoot suits.

Yeah, I mean, they were definitely responsible for some deaths.

Yeah.

Like you're going to, your sleeve is right here, and you got to hold the end of your sleeve while you stand there like a child in your dad's suit.

Yeah, it looked like a junior high sports banquet.

Like everybody's got their dad's suit jacket on.

Yes.

Gold chain.

Through the collar.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a wild look.

A giant tie.

Yeah.

Yeah, Todd, it's that long.

Like a boat pilot hanging off your entire chest.

Yeah, you got a vest on it.

Like a cummerbund.

Yeah, why don't you tie outside the vest?

Couldn't think of what it was called.

Appreciate that.

I had Cumberland in my head, and I was like, I know that's not it.

Like Timberland.

Yeah, Timberland.

Hey, when the Timberland's around their waist.

Man, those people in New York love wearing Cumberland boots, don't they?

A lot of hiking up there.

stepping in my big apple yeah come on, that one might be hard to get out I don't know oh wow, but yeah that's all I got to that's the only complaint I got probably just a just mafia aesthetic what was the best look it wasn't just them I can remember exactly what I like my favorite thing of apparel that 90s hip hop brought into mainstream which was the fluorescent baseball jerseys Yeah.

Do you remember those?

Giant new era hats.

Those were all flat bills.

Flat bills.

I wish I still had like high ladder yellow Braves jersey.

What I like the most is how Wu-Tang dressed a lot.

They would wear polos and big puffer jackets.

Goggles for some reason.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was dope.

Nothing to mess with.

You're not going to be able to pull that off in 1999 Summerton, but it was a cool look.

Yeah.

Hard to get goggles in general, right?

Less swim goggles.

sweating in them too yeah and that's not a good that's not good i was hoping late goggles would have been yeah yeah and you gotta do your music video in a in a cheese grater like it's got to be the silver tunnel looking thing that you're in okay i have is joey okay he's okay he's alive i thought he got shot or he fell off the roof down the stairs coming through, somebody's hitting dingers oh i hope granny got her life alert.

Because she's falling.

You know what 90s hip hop attire I liked?

Criss-crosses.

Which is wear whatever you got, but backwards.

Y'all remember the...

Backwards.

That went over into Bugs Bunny and Taz.

They made shirts with them.

I absolutely had one of those shirts.

Those are killer.

Slap it on a tall tee, sell it for $12 at a gas station.

Uh-huh.

And I bought.

Can I get this?

Clear the shell off of it.

Yeah.

I had Elmo was wearing, like, streetwear.

I had one of those shirts.

Yeah, those are.

How many pairs of FUBU jeans did you have?

No FUBU jeans.

But my buddy.

It wasn't for us.

I don't know if you.

It's in the title.

It wasn't for us either.

They don't mean us.

But my.

I thought it was a different F word.

My good friend, Les Chapman, rest in peace, was about six foot eight and 500 pounds, by way.

He was a big boy.

Huge.

But he left and it was at my house it was at my house for a very long time a neon green fubu baseball jersey he left at my house and that thing was as big as this chair right here i mean did you put it in like a shadow box you really should i've probably i'm sure that my mom donated or something at some point i wish i still had it you gotta memorialize that thing yeah it was dude, It was every bit of this wide.

Oh, yeah.

He was a large man.

It had to be 7X.

Yeah, 500.

He was huge.

Huge, dude.

But at 6'8", he's probably carrying it pretty well.

That's all around very big.

Very big man.

What did he drive?

He was my cousin.

He, really?

Yeah.

What?

This guy?

Yeah.

Where's he at now?

Bless him, Mark.

He's passed away.

Yeah, he missed the rest in peace part.

Yeah.

That's tough.

Great dude.

You'd be throwing that out a lot in his hardtails.

That's true.

very true I have said several people have died yeah if I don't know where they're at today rest in peace might as well be dead I don't know, you work at least kick back somewhere resting yeah you know hopefully.

He drove a cutlass yeah a big old cutlass big brown one did not have reverse in it and we messed up one time and it was at Dora Park and I was driving it I'm pretty sure I don't know where he was he was not in his own car and we pulled it up to the fence at the basketball courts.

Didn't realize at that time it didn't have reverse.

You gotta throw that bad boy in neutral and bag it out.

We gotta push it out, man.

Oh, yeah, good times.

That's a good move.

But yeah, anyway, I had his lime green gigantic FUBU jersey at my house for a long time.

My parents' house, I should say.

Yeah.

We don't know where it's at now.

That's a shame.

Somebody bought that thing.

I bet.

They had to.

It might be somewhere out the home of 90s hip-hop, the West Coast.

Yeah, could be.

Because that's going to be my hoot for this round is how the West Coast, hashtag best coast, absolutely carried the 90s through hip-hop era.

They were a big part of it.

Probably, arguably, the biggest part.

Yeah.

You got to start weighing out who had the most success.

NWA.

Snoop.

NWA.

I wouldn't, I would, I would almost leave in the eighties.

I would almost leave.

All right.

Well then I'll just throw a cube.

But they all came from that.

So that's, that's fair.

Let's see.

Dre.

I screwed.

Easy.

The other dude.

Yep.

That one guy.

Shug.

Yikes.

Shug controlled it almost himself.

the whole period.

Had the rat for the palm of his hand.

Death Row.

Yeah, basically Death Row.

Death Row was big.

And then just the market maiden is still leaving on the West Coast because it's still a sound.

Where everything else is kind of muddled.

It has come back to the West Coast.

Yeah.

With Kendra Lamar mainly.

And well, and you got to give a lot of credit to Dre, I think.

That's all those beats and stuff producing all those tracks.

He's still keeping his finger on the pulse.

I think rap songs of the early 90s had his fingers on it.

His beats are undeniable.

I also found this out in my, believe it or not, research on the topic.

Eminem actually wrote the song Forgot About Dre for Snoop to perform.

Like, he took it to Dre and said, hey, I wrote this for you and Snoop.

Really?

Dre had him sing, you know, the verses that Snoop was going to and he was like, yeah, now we're going to keep you in it.

Dude, that is one of the hardest verses of all time, man.

I can't stop thinking about how would Snoop sound on it?

Nah, it wouldn't work.

Right?

It wouldn't fit.

Love Uncle Snoop.

But dude, when they came back out with that 2001 Chronic, and the first song that him and Snoop was on, what was the...

It's got the iconic piano at the beginning of the dun-dun-dun-dun.

God, what is that song?

Oh, my Lord.

What's the song?

I've got nothing but a G thing stuck in my head.

No, that's not it.

Oh, Wild Wild West.

Yeah, Wild Wild West.

Oh, that's Cisco.

Mm-hmm.

God, why can I not see what that song is?

That was one of the unmentioned singers.

You're talking about Steel Dre?

Steel Dre, yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

That was, God, that was incredible.

People forget that Dr.

Dre released an album in between those called Aftermath.

Aftermath.

That was god-awful.

Well, that's why people like to forget about it.

Yeah.

People did forget about Dre.

You say that about West.

Yeah, 90s was there, but I feel like 90s had their moment in, I mean, the East Coast, New York area, especially, I think, probably the later 90s, I feel like.

Yeah.

Well, after Puffy had killed everybody.

Well, but it wasn't just him, because also that's when you get the rise of Jay-Z's and then Nas really start taking off.

Wu-Tang from New York.

Yeah.

Wu-Tang probably had the biggest rise right there quick.

Well, him and Jay-Z.

Yeah.

Spotlight for most of America for rap was on the West Coast, start the 90s because of NWA.

Yeah.

Because of their album.

And the whole parental advisory label is because of the West Coast.

Yeah, they took it to the Supreme Court.

Yeah.

It was a whole.

Them and Two Life Crew.

By default, a lot of attention is already on them because of that.

Yeah, Tipper Gore.

big big uh yeah that was uh i i was a really really big west coast rap fan for sure tupac especially dre mc8 like i got pretty deep in all that the deep cuts deep artist you have well i mean just kind of going off of that i mean obviously i was born in 91 so So I didn't really get the full experience of kind of living through the 90s hip hop era, more of looking back through that lens.

And I felt like at that point, you know, you either had to kind of pick, were you a Biggie fan or a Tupac fan?

Yeah, most definitely.

Yeah.

And everybody here was a Tupac fan.

Yeah.

And the answer was MC Hammer.

MC Hammer.

Yeah.

Well, I know everyone says that's the most dangerous man in hip hop is MC Hammer.

You don't know what he's got in them parachute pants.

Dude, for real.

You will not hear a rapper on an interview talk bad about him.

You will not.

Well, don't hurt him, Hammer.

They say that he is a straight-up gangster, MC Hammer.

He's a pastor, isn't he?

Maybe now he is.

Is he still with us?

I think he is still.

Rest in peace.

Yeah, y'all didn't throw an RIP out on him.

I'm scared to.

I'm here.

If he's had any run-ins with Punky.

Just look up on YouTube some stuff about him.

It's pretty funny.

I'll check that out.

MC stands for Mike Ketchum.

Oh, yeah.

That's pretty good.

I like that.

You're welcome.

With a hammer.

Mike Ketchum.

What was your holler?

Well, played right into it right there, talking about is MC Hammer still alive.

I said he may not be if he had a run-in with Puffy.

So that's my holler is kind of like you were talking about, the Junior Mafia rise and Puffy's influence on entirely too many things.

And again doing research believe it or not I think we all missed a mark on what we thought that song I'll Be Missing You is really about, came off as a somber maybe you lost someone song, now I'm wondering what he was really doing with every move you make every step you take every breath you take yeah I'll be watching yeah every move he makes was just sliding just flipping yeah Oh, nefarious, very nefarious.

So I'm not a new Diddy hater.

I've always hated him.

Yeah.

When he was Puff Daddy.

There's not been a lot to like.

I don't understand.

He did not have a lot of own staying on its own tracks.

He was producing some things, but he just put his name on it.

Like you were talking about.

For me coming up, it was, do you like West Coast, East Coast, Tupac, Biggie?

Yeah.

It was hard to like Biggie because Puffy was ruining his songs.

Yeah.

And one of the best lyricists of all time was Biggie, of course.

And he's in the background just, yeah.

Yeah.

For no reason.

No reason at all.

It makes the track unlistenable.

That was what started.

That's what started.

A comment about that is what started the whole East and West Coast beef.

is when Suge Knight got on the mic at the Source Awards.

He said, if you're tired of your record owner or the exec rapping and talking through all your tracks, come over to Death Row.

And that's when it went ballistic.

And ended up being what it was.

Was that not the same Source Awards where Outkast got up on the stage and said the South got something to say?

Andre 3000 said it.

Yeah, because they was getting no respect at all.

And he said it in front of a hostile.

People don't understand what those award shows was.

That's what I'm saying.

It was full of absolute killers.

And they were in there which makes Andre 3000's statement Yeah.

He did a lot different.

I've seen some Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards in the 90s that were pretty heated.

Getting slimed at the Source Awards meant something entirely different.

I don't know if you remember Danny Tamarelli and the Salute Your Shorts gang.

They did it trying to slime everyone.

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90's Rap: Dre Day to Willennium

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