evan: Hello and welcome to Left of the Projector.

I'm your host, Evan, evan: back again with another film discussion from the left.

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evan: It would be much appreciated.

evan: This week on the show, I have the hosts of Altmania.

I have Este and Ryan back evan: again.

Thank you for being here today.

Track 3: Hello.

Track 2: Thank you.

evan: Yes.

Track 2: Yeah, it's a treat.

Yeah, we're delighted.

Thank you.

Track 3: You have to be back in the projection room, the booth.

I don't know if you call it that.

evan: No, that actually is, that sounds, that's catchy.

Back in the projection room.

evan: Like that's where you would.

Track 3: Back in the booth.

evan: Back in the booth.

But yeah, so we were, I asked you to come on and we were evan: talking about like summer movies.

evan: I don't know exactly, maybe I just was just throwing movies like at the, in the wind.

Track 2: Yeah.

evan: And we landed on, as you can tell, we're discussing Wet Hot American Summer, evan: which was released in 2001, directed by David Wayne.

evan: It has, I'm not going to read the entire cast because I'll be here for like five minutes.

evan: You're reading how many people are in this film, but it's a stacked cast and evan: so I guess I'm just curious, well, actually before we even talk about the film, evan: remind everyone about Altmania, maybe what you're doing now on the show.

Track 3: Yeah, yeah, Altmania.

We're in Demi mode right now, so our show is ostensibly, Track 3: it's about the films of Robert Altman.

Track 3: as we say you know we talk about them in their context how Track 3: they speak to today um and we Track 3: finished up altman just about a year ago now and i think when we were last on Track 3: we were just about to start on our alan rudolph series who was like a friend Track 3: and like protege of altman we've finished that since and we are now like just Track 3: getting started on our uh series looking at the films of jonathan Demme, Track 3: who through an interview that we just did with the son of Robert Altman and Track 3: like frequent camera operator, Track 3: found out that the two of them actually were good friends.

Track 3: And so kind of through coincidence right before we started, there was a connection.

Track 2: We couldn't really find anything linking them in our research, Track 2: but we were talking to one of his kids, Robert Reed Altman.

Track 2: And yeah, he was like, oh, they were really good friends.

And we were like, oh, awesome.

Track 3: Yeah, perfect.

evan: It's funny that they never came up anywhere.

Track 3: We just kind of figured he fit the vibe.

I know.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: Like we already are seeing a lot of similarities and stuff.

Track 3: Like a film we just talked about, Citizens Band, felt very Altman-like.

Track 3: Like it feels like we're right at home.

evan: I was looking at his films and I've embarrassingly have not seen a ton of them, actually.

evan: I feel like I've seen like the big ones, you know, Manchurian, evan: Canada, Philadelphia, Silence of the Lambs.

evan: I think I saw Beloved.

But a lot of that I have not seen.

Track 2: Yeah, that was mostly the same with me, too.

Like I had seen KGT and then like all the big ones.

Track 2: And it was a similar thing like going into Rudolph.

Like I think we had both Track 2: only seen one of his films.

Track 2: But that's kind of part of the fun of it is like exploring and discovering stuff as we go along.

Track 2: I feel like if we kind of knew everything that way, like it wouldn't be as fun.

Track 2: Yeah, it's it's sort of like in our research.

We're like, oh, Track 2: look at this cool thing we found or like Citizens Band.

Track 2: It literally is.

There was one article where they described it as Nashville-esque, Track 2: and it literally is like a rare Nashville-esque 70s ensemble comedy that most Track 2: people, including myself, had never really heard of.

Track 2: And the cast is—it's really funny, especially for a film from almost 50 years Track 2: ago.

It holds up pretty well.

evan: Yeah, I'm going to have to— Yeah.

Track 3: It's been a blast.

And he started out with the Roger Corman kind of part of Track 3: Hollywood, which we hadn't really ever gotten into.

Track 3: So that's been super fun to look at those exploitations.

evan: Is KHT his first film?

Track 3: Ooh.

Track 2: He has like four firsts.

evan: We've been talking about this.

Track 2: He has the most first films of any director we've done so far.

Track 2: At least three, I think.

Maybe four.

Track 3: Yeah, he had started out writing, and then I believe KHT was his first director.

evan: Okay, so his first director.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: It was kind of a weird, like, climbing the ladder until he graduated the Corman Track 3: School, which is where we are, like, right now on the show.

Track 3: We're about to do a Columbo episode that he directed, so that'll be really fun.

Got a Columbo.

evan: Yeah.

Track 2: Citizens band didn't do so well so he's sort of licking his wounds and going Track 2: to the slums of television.

evan: When it comes when it came evan: to wet hot american summer i think you both had seen it evan: obviously seen it before did you have like uh evan: like what's your maybe i don't know history of the film sounds like uh sound evan: maybe too much but just like yeah do you remember the first time you saw it evan: or like do you have a memory of it it seems like this uh for me it's like this evan: trapped in movie that kind of like trapped in time where i don't know do.

Track 2: You want to go first.

Track 3: Yeah yeah well i think i don't Track 3: remember when i first saw this movie honestly i feel like Track 3: i've always just like have seen the movie like yeah it's weird i maybe it's Track 3: so long ago i went and dug out because i had this like stella dvd i think i Track 3: got this like in high school like i i've always really liked david wayne and Track 3: like uh i don't know that him and like michael sowelter and uh he's.

Track 2: My favorite wayne's brother.

Track 3: David oh yeah yeah my my username Track 3: right now is fountains of wayne with an eye that's my Track 3: bit um and then yeah i was at the blu-ray here Track 3: too that i it's very nice it's very nice blu-ray um yeah i don't know yeah i Track 3: think maybe i saw role models or something like and but i'd seen stella on comedy Track 3: central and like i don't know i got around to it at some point but yeah i mean Track 3: And I've always really liked it.

And it's really funny to see, especially like, Track 3: i don't know people like bradley cooper who like i think just not long before Track 3: this he was like on like inside the actor's studio being like i'm gonna be a Track 3: big actor one day talk to james lipton or whatever.

Track 2: You could see him in the crowd of an inside the Track 2: actor's studio and also there's a rare like taped performance Track 2: of ucb like they uh perform they taped Track 2: themselves doing a herald and it's like uh amy poehler Track 2: and uh whatever ian edwards a bunch of other people um but Track 2: yeah and so um and you can see him in the crowd of Track 2: that as well yeah yeah Track 2: i went to high school Track 2: from like 2002 to 2006 basically and Track 2: i remember i had a friend in high school daniel who like showed me this movie Track 2: so it would have only been out for a few years which makes sense because it Track 2: was clearly a movie that like not a lot of people went to see when it like originally Track 2: came out which is a shame i i mentioned this this is my most logged film on letterbox, Track 2: it was my fifth log which like doesn't include all the times i watched it pre-2019 Track 2: so yeah and i i i uh i re-watched the prequel series as well and i started watching Track 2: the 10 years later uh miniseries on netflix they're pretty good i.

evan: Was actually surprised when they came out like i'm not having like very high evan: expectations, but kind of surprised by them.

evan: I think I was trying to think about when I had seen it the first time.

evan: And my memory that I have is in college, someone I knew had a bunch of VHS tapes evan: of the state and I had never heard of it because this, evan: that was, I was way too young, I think, to have watched it when it was on TV evan: and like, oh, let's watch these VHSs of the state.

I'm like, evan: all right, I've never heard of the show.

evan: And then I remember buying it on iTunes, like back when people would buy, evan: you know, movies on iTunes and shows, not the whole series, Cause each one was evan: like a buck or two.

So I bought the first, I don't know, evan: four episodes or something.

I think there's only maybe 25 at most of them.

evan: And thinking like, oh, like, this is cool.

Like, what else did he do?

evan: And then that led me to, oh, well, he did what on American summer, evan: which you mentioned was a bomb.

evan: It was only made $300,000 on a just under $2 million budget.

evan: So total, total bomb out, especially given how many just star current stars are in this film now.

evan: And yeah, and I just always been, I don't, I don't think i had a letterboxd evan: that early but i would imagine this would be at least i probably watch at least evan: i've watched it three times in the last month but i probably watch it you know.

Track 2: Yeah many.

evan: Many times so it's uh.

Track 3: One thing i really loved about the prequel series was just the bit of like they Track 3: are all supposed to be the same age they are in the original.

Track 2: Yeah commitment.

Track 3: To that especially michael showalter who just looks.

Track 2: Like michael showalter one of the bravest on-camera Track 2: performances i've ever seen like does not look Track 2: i mean yeah i mean because not Track 2: only the wig and like the clothes but also then he puts on Track 2: the choker and then like the fork pie hat looking like but Track 2: and then there were just like long cakes of him just like looking like Track 2: absolute i'll just say very funny looking right Track 2: but yeah it's it's it's certainly a comfort movie Track 2: for me uh like it feels like Track 2: it's just like a go-to i can laugh and yeah like Track 2: the the thing about like the pre people i kind Track 2: of like took my time before i got to them because i didn't want Track 2: to like i don't know i have such fond memories of the original film but it's Track 2: the thing about i was going to mention um the seinfeld episodes whenever like Track 2: they have jerry stiller just play like a young version of himself and it's just Track 2: him in fatigues with all these young guys that's it's a great bit yeah it's super funny yeah.

Track 3: It never gets old yeah i wanted to know did you guys go to summer camp growing Track 3: up i was i was curious about this because i never did.

evan: So i did go to summer camp for for evan: like a few years and that was evan: sort of this is one of the things i was looking at to go evan: to summer camp and the thing that i was thinking about was when i evan: was i don't know like 13 or something you would see your evan: counselor would be what 17 at most like five years evan: older than you and the way that i remember them as being evan: just like super old people like they're just like really old evan: adults somehow but so in a way it almost kind of like makes sense in my mind evan: the way i like perceive the fact that they're what they're 25 playing you know evan: 17 year olds or 16 year olds or whatever it is i just think of it as like that's evan: how the kids looked at them almost like.

Track 2: They saw them as.

evan: These like really old people and obviously it's still just a funny bit and joke evan: but that's just kind of the way i think of it in my brain.

Track 2: I never went to camp but i like i would play sports in the summer and i did Track 2: go to like golf camp but it wasn't like an overnight like I wouldn't stay there Track 2: it was just like a couple summers maybe three summers I would just go to this golf course.

Track 3: During the day play.

Track 2: Golf all day yeah so i i suck i haven't played in forever but i'll always have Track 2: a competent swing but yeah no summer camp for me i think my mom was like too scared you know.

Track 3: Yeah i grew up in the pacific northwest and like there's got to be summer camps Track 3: around here but yeah it was just never a thing uh for anyone i knew like my Track 3: sister went to one with a friend, Track 3: and i think they even went to like idaho or something they didn't even stay Track 3: in washington I think it's like a Northeastern thing.

evan: I mean, I'm not saying that there's no camps in the country, evan: but it feels like this, like this takes place in Maine, but they film it in evan: Maine or whatever.

It takes place in Maine.

evan: And so, I don't know, maybe that's just kind of the, it's more of a thing.

I don't know.

Track 3: Two people that I know that like are friends of mine that went to summer camp.

Track 3: I hope this isn't like offensive, but they're both Jewish and they're both from Track 3: other states.

So I don't know if it's like a common thing in like Jewish families, but yeah.

Track 2: I was going to say, like, yeah, I'm lucky because I grew up in Texas.

Track 2: So I'm lucky because if I did ever go to a quote unquote summer camp, Track 2: it probably would have been like heavily religious.

And like, right.

Track 2: I would have been like running away or vacation Bible school.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 2: Yeah.

And thankfully, I never had to was submitted to anything like that.

evan: One interesting, too, that I was thinking about because I watched the documentary, evan: which is basically just behind the scenes footage of what they recorded film.

evan: There was some interviews and some funny, really funny stuff.

like evan: they're all drunk pretty much the entire time and but evan: i was thinking about like wayne went to like a jewish summer camp evan: and a lot of these were scenes and like things evan: that actually happened to him i was actually i said i don't know if i believe all evan: of that but that's what he says like the van evan: crashing apparently he actually did that like he crashed the evan: van coming back to see a girl at camp but i evan: was thinking it's like he could have made the camp be like a jewish camp but evan: he decided to just kind of it just they like have the joke later when junior evan: graffalo is like naming all the jewish kids who are going to get picked up or evan: whatever like david ben goryan yeah but like he like they made it just be just evan: like a camp you know like there is no right just that's which.

Track 2: They um they yeah i think it's more like a Track 2: cultural thing like they mentioned in the Track 2: prequel there's like because in the prequel there's a Track 2: like a anglo there's like a waspy sort of Track 2: like high you know like a higher class camp Track 2: like next door uh it's and so Track 2: like so it's like all the rich kids or whatever and so there's Track 2: like a rivalry um and they they like explicitly make Track 2: a joke about it in that and i was gonna say like Track 2: because you mentioned on the doc like if is Track 2: david wayne is i actually like google that before you even put that in the doc Track 2: right because like and you can cut that out or whatever or you can leave it Track 2: in but i was just gonna say because so i didn't find him saying anything which Track 2: in and of itself you know i feel like by this point if you hadn't said anything Track 2: like that in itself is kind of a statement but um.

Track 2: I did find okay because like in the prequel there's Track 2: David Wayne actually plays a character who's like an Israeli Track 2: guy and he's an absolute creep like Track 2: his storyline is literally cooking David show up Track 2: here and it's so funny because so I googled that Track 2: or I googled like David later and I Track 2: found this like post this blog from like a Track 2: site called like the tablet or something and it was a guy basically saying that Track 2: like oh yeah this is a very like you know you can it was like whatever like Track 2: a very of a jewish uh summer camp or whatever but he was like oh and that like Track 2: israeli character he's so cool like i love that guy like we all we all loved Track 2: him and i was like wow that is so telling we.

Track 3: All identified with this.

Track 2: Like man that guy was so cool we wanted to be him so bad i'm like i also.

evan: Could not find anything you know and one way or the other at all about it the evan: only thing that i was going to say is so i saw the film um the 10 that came out i think in like 2007, evan: in washington dc at the jcc and it was like a screening and then he actually evan: like answered due to q a afterwards and i actually had like i knew i had gone evan: to see it but i sort of hadn't, evan: remembered like the whole q a about it and nothing came up about israel at all evan: or anything It was just simply questions about the film, like, you know, totally.

evan: So my guess is if he is one, I don't know it.

So cool.

evan: I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't mean that in like a derogatory sense.

evan: Just like, yeah, you know, he's just, yeah.

Track 3: Yeah.

I was thinking, I was like, you know, we might hurt ourselves if we tried Track 3: to find a political angle in this movie.

Track 3: But I think it does come out of like a specific middle class America, Track 3: like Gen X kind of upbringing.

Track 3: And because so much of the script is based on all of their experiences, Track 3: like this kind of common experience or whatever.

Track 3: Or, I don't know, maybe, you know, it's a snapshot a little bit of, Track 3: like, maybe a particular time of America or, like, whether it was real or not, Track 3: like, or just something in the movies.

Track 3: But, like, I do think it's funny that the original plan for this movie was to Track 3: be entirely improvised, I think, based on an outline.

Track 3: And that was inspired by Sam Seder's short film, Who's the Caboose?

evan: Yeah.

Track 3: And I'm like, well, Sam Seder is now, like, a big, like, left-wing, Track 3: you know, he does majority report.

Yeah.

Track 2: Yeah you.

Track 3: Know there's like the the little bit of a connection there.

Track 2: There's also a joke in like the prequel where Track 2: they like do jigswords with a shofars so Track 2: like i don't think he has any reverence for his religion i Track 2: think if he get because i mean we talked about that like how hard Track 2: it would be to like parse out politics of this but i was going to Track 2: joke any movie with american in the title is inherently Track 2: like very political um but also like Track 2: i do think like i don't know i feel like the way the fact Track 2: that this movie got made it is very like i don't Track 2: know it's it's emblematic of that gen xer sort Track 2: of like uh thing of like checking out which i Track 2: think can apply to like all generations post war but this Track 2: like sort of uh you know slacker thing of like oh Track 2: i'm not even gonna pay attention or mention politics i'm just gonna completely Track 2: disappear into the world of like culture or whatever and then like this is the Track 2: product which is like really funny in a movie that i love but also it has like Track 2: yeah there's no weight to it like politically or i don't know if it'll if it's Track 2: like remembered or you know if people like care about it so much as time goes by it's.

evan: Interesting you mentioned that evan: if it has the word american and it like has some inherent you know even.

Track 2: If unintentional.

evan: Like politics i saw on imdb i don't know if this is a joke and they came up evan: with this later but there's a list of like 35 other potential names that they evan: were thinking of of naming the movie and some of them are just.

Track 2: Absurd like boner.

evan: Camp america big american love wedgie like this i don't know if these were just like.

Track 2: You know it's.

evan: Just a joke and they had this list later on or something but to me it just felt evan: like they were trying to harness the experience that he had like going to camp with this.

Track 2: Like ridiculously.

evan: Talented cast of people who are funny and he worked with before and then on evan: top of that just sort of the you know it feels very much like a verge like a a, evan: a modern version of like meatballs or something but like in a in a in a much evan: different like less in a crude way but in like a in a kind of more tongue-in-cheek evan: than meatballs i think i don't know it's been a while since i've seen i think.

Track 2: Yeah and i think like most substantially um there Track 2: if it's let's say uh i will get into it obviously later but Track 2: there are a couple of members of the cast who like outside of this film have Track 2: gotten into some interesting hobbies and activities we'll say um perhaps friendships Track 2: uh let's say uh h2o usage you know lawn care stuff like that uh this.

Track 3: Movie has like what like three four different montages like scenes.

evan: In succession.

Track 3: Sergey eisenstein you know that's that was uh you know the hegelian dialectic Track 3: right like that uh represented via montage shunning narrative structure for Track 3: uh you know moving the action by the group so therefore this movie is a marxist yeah that's my theory.

evan: Like i think i joke this is like probably the silliest like evan: most movie that i've ever like taken notes like while evan: watching it you know and i was thinking about it but the thing i was thinking evan: is they mentioned a few times in that documentary that the film was basically evan: just a bunch of you know individual funny scenes that just kind of were taking evan: place throughout the day of one day at camp and like that wayne was just good evan: at kind of corralling everyone, although it didn't seem like, evan: it seemed like the shooting was probably pretty chaotic.

evan: They kind of maybe hinted that in that documentary, but don't outright say it.

evan: I don't know exactly, but it just, it seemed like this, it's like the next logical evan: step for, you know, those other things like the state, like taking these bits evan: and just kind of putting them all together and just being committed to them for an hour and a half.

Track 3: Yeah.

Like there's a, there's a little bit of connecting.

evan: Yeah.

Track 3: Cause I listened to this in a, this Q and a with him, Track 3: It's like an hour long.

I forget what it was.

It was part of some podcast.

Track 3: It was in like 2013 or something.

Track 3: But yeah, he mentioned like, yeah, it is a lot of like sketches basically like Track 3: kind of sewn together as like character stories or whatever.

Track 3: But like he wanted it to, he specifically, they said they studied like Nashville, Track 3: Altman's Nashville, which I think is kind of good.

Track 2: And.

Track 3: Like dazed and confused and like do the right thing.

Track 2: Where it's like one.

Track 3: Kind of set period of time with a Track 3: bunch of different characters and like figuring out how to connect it together Track 3: and there is like little stuff like the scene with paul rudd where he's like Track 3: acting like a baby and like cleaning up the stuff off the floor or whatever Track 3: like that is like funny but also it kind of tells you that he's like lazy or Track 3: whatever and he's like that's why we left it in because it helps later when Track 3: like you know the kid or whatever is drowning and it's like you just remember that he's a lazy guy.

Track 2: Just like the fact that like this movie was made Track 2: and put in theaters like that wouldn't happen today you Track 2: know or if it did no one would i mean no one really cared when it came Track 2: out but especially now like i feel like that that Track 2: was the most interesting thing to me was like the the fact Track 2: that people sort of had this like mental real estate and Track 2: money and ruined the theater to be like yeah let's give Track 2: money to a bunch of like kind of young people who you Track 2: know they've done some tv or whatever but yeah let's have him Track 2: make a movie and you know it failed but like they gave it Track 2: a shot and everyone sort of had a career after this so Track 2: even if the movie didn't make money I think it was ultimately a success Track 2: and plus like you know it's a cult it's as of now Track 2: like cult status or whatever but yeah it does seem like I don't Track 2: want to say like frivolous but it does seem like Track 2: weirdly detached from anything and I think that goes to Track 2: that idea of like irony and like like Track 2: everyone likes to say that every generation is the first to discover Track 2: irony but they've literally been saying it they said that about millennials they Track 2: said that about gen x2 like everything's ironic and Track 2: even baby boomers there's a there's actually um Track 2: a a sequence in uh adam curtis's Track 2: hyper normalization that i kept thinking of where he like he's talking about Track 2: patty smith and how like the boomers as like life became more as the world became Track 2: more complex or whatever they just sort of disappeared into their like worlds Track 2: of culture and you know became cool detached observers and this feels like.

Track 2: The like genetics obviously had that thing in Track 2: them like as we all have uh but like this feels like Track 2: a 100 like an artifact of that because it is weirdly just like it's like in Track 2: a vacuum like it's sealed off by its like parody and satire or whatever but Track 2: like it's those tendencies you know those off the wall because that's what it Track 2: is it's like it's a parody of those films it's everything taken to the 11th Track 2: you know degree or whatever i.

evan: Mean it says something that netflix would come back you know, evan: that much later and make not one but two different you know series based on evan: i mean clearly they've saw you know i hate to say like value in it you know in it as a as a you know.

Track 2: Ip yeah.

evan: Yeah i mean i think i also saw they were briefly considering there being like evan: a show that was going to be a sitcom which i don't think would work it has to evan: be on cable you know like something like yeah they.

Track 3: Were they were.

Track 2: Working on like.

Track 3: A network show i think that wouldn't work for this.

Track 2: That would have been weird yeah yeah.

Track 3: That would be bad yeah.

Track 2: Yeah at least like the netflix shows feel like there's certainly Track 2: like an uncanny uh aspect to them but Track 2: they still feel like sort of like cinematic in Track 2: a way that like the film did you know like the film's Track 2: not the most cinematic film ever but it is shot on actual film Track 2: and so like the netflix the cinematic approach i Track 2: think like helped you know in this case or whatever and Track 2: again they like play up that uncanny aspect and it's Track 2: so funny because like some of the casts you know david showalter Track 2: bless his heart other other of the cast you know have like not aged a day and Track 2: like now that i'm like a little bit older i feel like the key difference is Track 2: like those who drink versus those who don't like i'm like oh i can kind of tell Track 2: which one's like like elizabeth bakes is probably drinking a lot of water mostly you know yeah.

evan: Well it's funny i mentioned at the start like how many people are in this and evan: it's not just tons of people, but it's a lot of people's, their first, evan: like their cinematic date, or I guess their, uh, evan: yeah, film debuts, like including Bradley Cooper, which I think famously he evan: says he doesn't ever remember getting paid for the movie.

evan: And also he skipped his graduation from film school to be in the scene where evan: he, you know, has sex with, uh, with, um, like black.

evan: And like, that was, that was literally how he describes it.

I left to go do evan: that scene.

And it's this.

Track 3: That's the maestro that's the maestro you know.

evan: Yeah and it has so many and like it's funny i was just watching evan: right before we recorded this this new shonda rhimes evan: series about like a murder in the white house i can't think of what it's called evan: at the moment but ken marino is like one of the main characters in it and i evan: was thinking like he he i mean i wish there i always say like i wish there were evan: just more shows that had ken marino in it just like more of them i always uh evan: like when He's in things.

Track 2: Party Down.

Track 3: Apparently his wig in this movie, he found himself.

evan: Oh, really?

I didn't see that.

Track 3: Yeah, well, because he was like doing TV stuff at the time.

And so he couldn't Track 3: actually like get a perm or whatever.

Track 3: So I think they said they were going to have some on set for him.

Track 3: But he was like, no, it's going to be, I'm not going to have any good choices.

Track 3: And so, yeah, he like bought that horrible perm wig in LA.

evan: I mean, so many of them had nobody.

Like Amy Poehler was saying they came and evan: like didn't have anything.

like evan: they didn't know what to bring they didn't have any stuff you know like.

Track 2: Yeah because they because they spend it all on weed and beer that's where all their money.

evan: Yeah literally bradley.

Track 2: Cooper though like the first time i remember seeing him was in wedding crashers Track 2: which was a comedy and you know and then like famously he did elephant man on Track 2: broadway with no prosthetics he's like i'm doing this full natty i mean that's Track 2: one of the funniest bits he's ever done you know uh comedic genius in some ways.

evan: Yeah i don't i.

Track 3: Guess he was in the hangover also i guess he was of course.

evan: Yeah i was trying to think of the first thing i remember him evan: being in or i think i remember it was i mean probably this but evan: at the time when i saw this i probably didn't really know bradley cooper was evan: still you know fairly early on i think yeah yeah i think like he was also an evan: alias for a bunch of uh season or seasons too but i don't know if i watched evan: that show like religiously so i don't know that i remember no yeah i think i've evan: just seen a few episodes but i think he was a major a main character of evan: for a few seasons but yeah like just all of the the actors on i mean this is evan: this is like i wasn't listening to this on my like notes or anything but like evan: who do you like what character is your favorite in this uh film.

Track 3: I also i had a similar question it was kind of more like what what which one Track 3: do you like identify with they're like which one would you say you are but okay Track 3: you could you could say you could go either one it's like which one would you want to be and which.

evan: One are you.

Track 3: Yeah i don't know i think that's a good i'm probably the kid who's just sitting Track 3: in the radio room talking into an unplugged microphone dude i was gonna take Track 3: a shower i was gonna say doing.

Track 2: A radio show into unplugged machinery and equipment is like a very good metaphor for podcasting.

Track 3: You know so i mean i definitely.

Track 2: Yeah i mean uh gary is the he has the funniest quotes like he's when he's like Track 2: when they're like watching um like the girls on dress and he's like oh it's just like clue um.

Track 3: Yeah is that 80 miles is that his character yeah.

Track 2: Yeah 80 miles is scary yeah he has so many just like fucking funny lines like Track 2: that he has my like he's my favorite because like him and ken marina um.

Track 3: I like that like gene like the the head cook or whatever like is always like Track 3: yelling at him but like he's never like he's never intimidated by Christopher Track 3: Maloney at all yeah he's just kind of like okay man yeah.

Track 2: Me and Ryan were talking about how good Christopher Maloney is he's good.

Track 3: In this and the prequel.

Track 2: He's amazing also.

Track 3: I mean you haven't seen They Came Together but you need to for Christopher Maloney he has, Track 3: one of the funniest bits in that movie.

I won't spoil it.

evan: Yes, that is like on the top of my list, obviously.

Oh, oh yeah, evan: so wait, so you both said, you both identified with, what was the kid's name?

What is his, the.

Track 3: What was the kid's name?

I don't remember.

Track 2: The beekeeper.

evan: The beekeeper, yes, of course.

I love also where he talks about how he can be, evan: you can like listen to him at his like synagogue or his like the Jewish day evan: school's radio station when he gets back home.

Track 2: But I was also going to say Gary and JJ played by Zach Orth.

Track 2: Like they're kind of like the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of this film.

Track 2: And they might be my favorite part of the movie.

Like, oh, they're so good.

evan: I always, as far as like my favorite character, as I already admitted being evan: a big Ken Marino fan, I feel like I just love his character and just it's, evan: it's funny and all of that.

evan: And it's like for the one that I would identify with, I mean, evan: I guess maybe like the raid, the kid, the radio kid, but also just maybe like evan: one of the, I don't know.

I mean, maybe, maybe even just Michael Showalter, you know?

Track 2: Yeah.

I was going to say like Michael Showalter Coop, he's like, Track 2: he's definitely the character that like, I would hate to admit it, Track 2: but like there definitely was a time, i.e.

high school when I a hundred percent Track 2: was a Coop and I, if I could go back in time.

Track 3: I probably looked to like a lot like him in high school.

Track 2: Yeah.

Yeah.

Track 3: I had pretty long hair in high school.

Track 2: So yeah, we all had that haircut, I think at one point for sure.

evan: And it's funny because when I went to camp, there was a kid whose name was Coop.

evan: Like, I feel like every camp had a Coop.

I don't remember what his first name evan: was, but everyone just called him Coop.

But his name wasn't Cooperberg.

It was just Cooper.

Track 2: In this film, it's actually short for Bradley Cooper, strangely enough.

Track 2: It's his name in the film.

Track 3: It's Cooperberg, which is also like, I think I'm playing more on the Jewish joke.

Track 3: I did like that Molly Shannon's character's name was like von Kleinenstein.

evan: Yeah, just like a German.

Track 2: It's really good.

it's.

evan: Ridiculous names i mean i think like i think you you mentioned 80 miles and evan: zach or it's kind of their like pairing i also just like the amy polar bradley evan: cooper dynamic and like a more they're like.

Track 2: Definitely more mean-spirited.

evan: In a way but like when they come to the table and they're like you know leave evan: your like leave your bullshit behind and you know come to the audition.

Track 2: I was gonna say yeah like amy polar i used to go to Track 2: a bunch of shows for a short period of time uh at Track 2: the one of the ucb theaters in la the one on franklin and Track 2: there was this show they would do where like it would be like one actor Track 2: paired up with one improviser and that Track 2: it would be a short scene and the actor would know all their lines and the improviser Track 2: wouldn't know what it is so they would just have to make shit up so I saw like Track 2: Thomas Middleditch and people like that perform or whatever um but yeah I saw Track 2: Amy Poehler uh perform there and she's very funny like she's she's always had Track 2: that like swag or whatever you know about her like she's just she's super funny.

evan: Yeah.

Her, like her, um, behind the scenes, like in the documentary, evan: she, her and probably Jeanine Grilofalo are probably the funniest kind of doing evan: bits in that, you know, off camera.

evan: And they also said, this was like one of the notes that they describe is they evan: filmed for 28 days and it rained for, I think, 21 of them.

They said, evan: so they were just inside.

Track 3: You can see it in the background.

A lot of the times it's just, yeah.

evan: And really cold apparently like they would film scenes in bikinis and they would evan: just have to like, Like, make sure you couldn't see, like, their breath in the evan: air because it was so cold.

evan: But both of them, like, would, were clearly, they talk about how they all just evan: became extremely close to each other.

evan: They were just hanging out, getting drunk, getting high.

evan: Just, you know, that was just what they did.

Track 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah.

And who am I kidding?

I'm Lindsay.

I'm Elizabeth Banks when Track 2: she has barbecue all over her face.

Track 2: That's who I am.

Track 3: We have coined a term called barbecue cinema where like it's come up a few times Track 3: now where it's like these kind of like almost like populist type movies about Track 3: like, I don't know, a Southern family or whatever.

Track 3: And like it originated with like this Alan Rudolph film that he like was hired Track 3: to direct called Rhodey with like meatloaf.

Track 3: And Art Carney is in it.

And he literally is like smearing barbecue sauce all Track 3: over his face in one scene.

Track 3: And that's where it originated from.

Track 2: Yeah.

Like, Ernest Goes to Jail, which I always contend should be Ernest Goes Track 2: to Prison because he doesn't go to jail, he goes to prison.

Track 2: But Ernest Goes to Jail is a barbecue sauce movie.

The TV show Mama's Family Track 2: is 100% a barbecue sauce TV show.

Track 2: It's barbecues.

Yeah, Hee Haw, that's all barbecue.

Track 2: And now this, you know, Elizabeth Banks.

Track 3: Another edition.

Track 2: Yeah, Sloppy Barbecue.

Track 3: The barbecue criterion, yeah.

evan: I like how she's listed as the last person in the starring, at least on Wikipedia.

Track 3: I always forget she's in this movie.

evan: She doesn't have a lot of scenes, right?

She's in like halfway in.

evan: She really is like on the side, except for the scene where she's making out with Paul Rudd.

evan: I feel like she's just not really in it too much.

Track 3: Yeah, that's kind of what she's here for.

That and the...

Track 3: barbecue sauce which is one of my favorite scenes yeah i feel like the the characters Track 3: that are closest to like the cast of this movie like david wayne and all them Track 3: are the theater people because they're all like nyu uh yeah you know like i Track 3: don't know i feel like the state and like, Track 3: stella to an extent it did kind of feel like theater kids a little bit but like Track 3: funny theater kids so like you know you kind of it doesn't come with the negative Track 3: connotation that theater kid sometimes comes with.

Track 2: And then also the improv thing with amy polar and then in in like the prequel Track 2: series they have like rob hubel and paul sheard.

Track 3: Yeah a lot.

Track 2: Of ucb uh kinds of types or whatever so yeah this is also like they're very Track 2: much like a theater kid movie but like complimentary you know.

Track 3: Exactly yeah yeah.

evan: I mean they're like it's funny how there's some of the you know i think of like evan: jolo trulio's character isn't in it much either but i think of him and other evan: things since then as also being extremely funny, evan: but he just, you know, there's only so much, I don't know, I don't know if there evan: were other scenes that didn't make it, or just, as you said, evan: maybe who were people who were more close to David, evan: got to, you know, got more screen time.

Track 3: Yeah, he gets one of my favorite scenes in this, which is when he's reacting Track 3: to Ken Marino's saving the kids in the rack.

Track 2: Oh, yeah.

Track 3: We never see it, but he's just like, oh, there he goes, oh, he's saving them.

Track 2: It depends on where you are in Wayne's world, you know.

Track 3: That's right, yeah, that's right.

evan: Yeah, it could be Wayne's World.

You need a hat that says Wayne's World, but just spelled W-A-N.

Track 3: Our friend Jake told me to tell this joke, but the wet, hot American summer, Track 3: that refers to the gallons and gallons of water that Amy Poehler uses to water Track 3: her plants and lawn in Los Angeles.

Yes.

Track 2: She got in trouble.

Speaking of bad politics, yeah, she got in trouble for using Track 2: way more water than she should at her Beverly Hills home.

Track 2: California, obviously, a state that has, you know, they have a thing about water, you could say.

Track 3: Yeah, there's sort of a drought.

evan: Well, since you mentioned, like, the, like, politics, some of the cast, you both, evan: or I don't remember which one of you had sent me the link to Michael Ian Black's evan: friendship with Meghan McCain and a book that I didn't know existed, evan: which I would never, I would never buy, maybe I just, like, memory hold that, evan: like, I just, you know, forgot that it existed.

Track 3: So much has happened, more important things have happened.

evan: Yeah, I guess so.

What was that, like, 2012 or 13, I guess it would have been?

No.

Track 3: Maybe, like, 2019.

evan: Oh, it's even more, oh, geez.

Track 3: I feel like it wasn't that long ago, but it was long enough that it's like understandable to forget.

evan: Yeah, so yeah, like you said, a few things have happened since then.

Track 3: But apparently— I wish I could forget it.

evan: Yeah, it just—and honestly, it doesn't surprise me.

I think—I don't know if evan: I follow him on Twitter, but sometimes I see some of the things he posts.

evan: And he just, to me, strikes me as probably a lot of the cast just kind of like standard liberals.

evan: You know, I feel like that's just kind of their—, evan: You know, very like a.

Track 3: Patton Oswalt or whatever, like, yeah, too much online, maybe you're like, Track 3: you know, I'll name the worst one.

Track 3: It's just Greg groups.

That guy needs to get off.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 2: Yeah.

I was the one who sent you the article because I knew about their friendship Track 2: and I knew about their book and stuff.

Track 2: And I looked up this fucking it's from his sub stack, by the way.

Track 2: And this shit was from this year.

It's an article he fucking wrote.

Track 2: I'll just read like the beginning of it.

I just went to Megan McCain's podcast.

Track 2: Every time I mention Megan or Megan mentions me, we both get grief about our friendship.

Track 2: People are flummoxed by our relationship, which in turn flummoxes me.

Track 2: Is it that unusual for two people of opposite sexes in political parties to have a friendship?

Track 2: Maybe it is.

And now that I think of it, Megan is my only female conservative Track 2: friend, or at least she's the only one as vocal about it as I am about my own liberal leanings.

Track 2: we met at a tv taping i was hosting Track 2: a talk show pilot she was a guest we hit Track 2: it off because we we hit it off and became twitter friends one night casting Track 2: about for one night casting about for something to do i took an ambient got Track 2: on twitter i got the brilliant idea that we should write a book together i dm'd Track 2: her something along the lines of we should write a book together, Track 2: um yeah so he took a fucking sleeping pill and dm'd her and now they're best Track 2: friends to this day wow it's so crazy but it's so i.

Track 3: Like how he thinks he's like the first guy to be like i'm a liberal and i'm Track 3: friends with the conservative like.

Track 2: James carville.

Track 3: Hasn't been doing like 40 years or whatever.

Track 2: I was literally gonna say like me and ryan have made Track 2: fun of james carville because it's like yeah like the fact that you can like Track 2: have fucking dinner drinks with these people that's part of the fucking problem Track 2: and it's part of the reason why nothing gets done and it's just it's so emblematic Track 2: of the liberal mindset of just like well hey like because none of this shit Track 2: really bothers them right it's all theater none of it affects them it's all Track 2: just like my team versus your team at the end of the day they're all a bunch Track 2: of fucking rich assholes well i was.

evan: Gonna say it's like they're both conservative he just has like he's like and.

Track 2: Exactly he just.

evan: Like you know like weed should be legal and like you should pay more tax gay people can.

Track 3: Get married or whatever yeah.

Track 2: Yeah, and the way that all liberals are fascists, it's the same thing of all Track 2: conservatives are just liberals.

Track 2: They just want everyone to like the same TV shows and music that they do, Track 2: and they want to be on TV.

It's the same bullshit.

evan: I think that's a lot of it.

Track 3: You mentioned she went on her podcast.

I was imagining two unplugged microphones on the floor.

Track 2: Yeah, I mean, if we lived in a good world, that's what it would be.

evan: That wouldn't have to get broadcast.

Track 3: That's what it's going to be in my head.

I will never.

Track 2: Yeah, I would wear a king.

evan: That reminds me, not reminds, that like leads me to like one of the only, evan: I don't know if I would call this a political aspect of it, but it reminded evan: me just because of like the Meghan McCain and Michael Ian Black and sort of evan: like, you know, one of them would be like, I'm pro, you know, evan: I'm in favor of abortion.

evan: The other was like, oh, I'm, you know, I'm pro life or whatever.

evan: And the only thing I could like derive from this and sort of like politics and evan: I sort of took this as like sort of like identity politics.

evan: Maybe maybe I'm reaching here again.

evan: This is wet on American summer, but I'm going to try or maybe I'd maybe I shouldn't try.

evan: But like when they drop like the like the the F slur a few times specifically, evan: I think it's 80 miles and Zach Orrith when they're talking about Michael in black coincidentally, evan: you know, and and Bradley Cooper's character as, you know, evan: first they realize like they're trying to get him a girl and then evan: they see you know see them getting i guess married or evan: whatever in the woods and like you know it's seeming evan: it seems like they're like angry and upset that they now know that evan: they're gay but then later we have the scene where they bring them this like evan: chase lounge from crate and barrel which apparently was able to be delivered evan: same day you know at uh such a good summer camp which is also a great for you evan: but you think it's going to be something like nefarious or mean but like somehow evan: in my mind i'm thinking to myself like Like, is this this weird, I don't know, evan: this kind of like liberal mindset of like, evan: you know, you're against these things unless it's like helpful to us politically.

I don't know.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 2: I was gonna say like they want to have their cake and eat it too Track 2: because like I was literally thinking about this like earlier today Track 2: like sometimes I feel like in I'm in the twilight zone and Track 2: I'm the only person who has like long-term memory because Track 2: like I was around back then I was around in 2001 I was Track 2: 14 like I remember like we knew back then Track 2: that you couldn't say these kinds of things you couldn't say these words I Track 2: wasn't saying them you know when I was 14 or whatever so like Track 2: because people you know say like oh it's a different time but it's like no we Track 2: knew and we still know and i think like i don't Track 2: think much has changed i think there are still comedians who Track 2: you know otherwise they're like you know left or Track 2: progressive thinking people but who would use the word you Track 2: know if it if if they think it'll get Track 2: a laugh you know and they'll say like oh if it's funny you know who cares and Track 2: you know uh and yeah it is a bit again i think it's having your cake you need Track 2: it too because you want to you want to take advantage like you want to have Track 2: the shock you want to have the like oomph of like saying it but you want to Track 2: be like oh but you know we don't really believe you know hey we're going full.

Track 3: Out on the 80s comedy parody and so we have to use some kind of slur.

Track 2: Yeah yeah yeah it's.

evan: Funny it's almost like.

Track 2: That's actually a good point right but if they had commented on it it's like Track 2: they had said it and be like dude you can't say it and be like hey it's the Track 2: 80s you know whatever like it's a different time they do that with the whole.

Track 3: Like softball game joke right.

Track 2: Like yeah that is such a good yeah breaking.

Track 3: The fourth well with that.

Track 2: Yeah yeah i think that actually.

evan: That would have that would have been a really smart way to like in a smarter evan: slightly smarter comedy might have been like oh you can't say that and like evan: oh like it's you know it's the 80s and you know evan: That would have been a good line to, I don't know.

Track 3: I do remember one Stella's sketch where like the three guys, Track 3: they get girlfriends in one of these little like, I don't even, Track 3: I think it's like one of the Comedy Central episodes.

So they're like very short.

Track 3: And I think their girlfriends are like Rashida Jones and like Amy Poehler and Track 3: like some other very talented now famous person.

Track 3: But they are like hiding from them at one point and they like need to walk past Track 3: them in a disguise.

And so they go behind a bush and they come out and they Track 3: are in like full like vaudeville like blackface.

Track 3: Like it's crazy.

Track 3: Like there is.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: I've done for like shock and like like look how dumb these guys are.

Track 2: You know, and like that's just like a definitely a liberal coded thing of like, Track 2: oh, but we're doing it subversively.

Track 3: It's I remember like rewatching it a lot like a couple of years ago and like Track 3: my jaw fell to the floor.

I was like, holy shit.

Track 2: It doesn't yeah it doesn't hold like like uh Track 2: i know always sunny you know they've taken down episodes because Track 2: but i think it's totally different like you know Track 2: it holds up like again i feel like Track 2: it's that liberal thing of like hey like we're you know it Track 2: it doesn't hold up after you know the way that Track 2: they've sort of made excuses for kamala and joe Track 2: biden and hey like who cares about gaza just Track 2: vote for them you know you're you know hey look we got trump now you know like Track 2: as if they didn't just as if the biden administration including kamala didn't Track 2: just aid the genocide or whatever but yeah it's totally like liberal mindset Track 2: thinking but it's a really funny movie too i think unfortunately well it's it's.

evan: Unfortunate like that so i don't know if you remember either like the the jimmy evan: kimmel show the man show i don't know if you've ever actually seen.

Track 2: It's very offensive in general yeah like.

evan: The show has like.

Track 2: A concept.

evan: But he also did like blackface of like Charles.

Track 2: Barkley.

Oh, yeah.

evan: And I think eventually he came out and said...

Track 3: Yeah, like Karl Malone, I think.

I think he did it a couple times for a different NBA game.

evan: I think his, like, apology was, like, not really an apology.

evan: He's like, oh, I did...

It's like one of those, like, I didn't mean to offend evan: anyone, but, like, he still probably thinks...

Track 2: Sorry if you got offended.

evan: Yeah, exactly.

Something like that.

Track 3: Sorry I made you feel that way, yeah.

Track 2: Hey, sorry you feel that way, brother.

evan: But that was the same time period.

Track 2: I think it was.

evan: Like, 1990...

I looked it up.

99 to 2004.

evan: So around the same time, again, to the point of these things were offensive, evan: but people viewed it as like, we're just pushing the envelope or something.

evan: You know, like, you know, not...

Track 3: Yeah, I feel like to like, I don't know, especially with like, Track 3: I don't know, the kind of liberal celebrity types, like it's it's almost less Track 3: nefarious and more stupid of like, I just don't want to even think about it type thing.

Track 3: And like, stop, stop showing me it, you know, I think that's what they want.

Track 3: They just want to go to brunch or whatever.

Track 2: And that feels very gross.

That to me is extremely offensive.

Yeah, I hate that.

evan: Well, I don't know if this is like maybe a poor segue, but I was just thinking evan: because you're talking about sort of like, oh, yeah, like, let's just, you know, do whatever.

evan: It reminds me of the scene where they're like, they're all, they just had their evan: meeting with camp director, Jeannie Graffalo.

evan: And they're like, oh, like we should, you know, in 10 years, evan: we should all see what like we're like and, you know, and meet up.

evan: And they're like, oh, meet up at nine o'clock.

It's like, oh, what about 930?

evan: And Bradley Cooper's like, oh, we'll say nine, but let's make it 930.

evan: Like, oh, why can't we be here?

Why can't we make it your beeswax to be here by 930?

evan: And I was just thinking like this, I almost like lost my, uh, evan: my thread as to my loose thread as to why those two things came together.

evan: And I don't know what it was.

evan: Oh, just like, you know, this, like, we don't really care about anything.

evan: We just kind of care about our own personal thing.

evan: It's like, oh yeah, I have a, an appointment at 11.

evan: I can't move it.

I don't, I don't know.

Just this, I think that my, evan: my connection of those two things really is a real, is doesn't work too well, but.

Track 2: It's an inconvenience yeah they hate being inconvenient.

evan: Yes i think that's what it really is i really.

Track 3: Paul rudd is like the the epitome of like all of that attitude yeah.

Track 2: And i bring this up all the time but i'm Track 2: like every like second of convenience for us comes at like the suffering of Track 2: someone else you know like and that's like i'm not i'm not like excluding myself Track 2: from that but it's like a harsh reality that again people don't they're like Track 2: you know like don't bum people out you know you can't stay this kind of stuff at a party or whatever.

evan: Yeah um what was i gonna mention there's evan: a there's a bunch of other like random things so i don't think we mentioned or evan: maybe you did the beginning was like the david hyde pierce in this evan: film and i was thinking about i was thinking about evan: him and i i honestly i was just like recounting some evan: of my favorite scenes and honestly i actually wrote down evan: just every scene that he is in is funny like every evan: time he's in the film with mostly with jenny ruffalo like their banter back evan: and forth for me like my favorite one is when they're i think it's in the evening evan: during the talent show and he's like oh meet me over at the picnic table in evan: 10 seconds and she just like is staring into the sky and it actually 10 seconds evan: does go by and she walks over and like all the kids are assembled you.

Track 3: Could see he like barely managed to get the like lab coat on like they actually Track 3: like carried out a bench or whatever in 10 seconds.

Track 2: He like snaps and yells at her.

Track 3: And then like apologizes later there's some random bursts of like anger like Track 3: when he like looks at the results and he's like fuck my cock you know it's so funny.

Track 2: Yeah yeah because we there was a movie we watched recently where like, Track 2: uh i think it was maybe hard to kill whereas like the way peter fonda yelled Track 2: at his son was fighting mad yeah yeah sorry yeah it was like it felt very real Track 2: like the way he like was yelling at his kid.

evan: Yeah he has lots of great telling.

Track 3: Him to shut up.

evan: I mean it like the it just it's kind of great that evan: they got him and uh um baloney to evan: to be in this film like they've they've they probably both read the script and evan: like this is really funny sure i'll you know i'll do this whatever it you know evan: it seems like a good time but it does seem uh like um from what i gathered it evan: seemed like david hyde pierce didn't hang out with most of the people who were evan: in it they were all much younger than him i guess well i don't know how old he was what year was the.

Track 3: Yeah he was like mostly in his room right like.

evan: During yeah it seemed like he wasn't really part of the rest of the group i evan: mean he was he was born in 1959 well before most of these people so yeah except evan: for maybe jenny graffalo yeah.

Track 2: He was a boomer and he had been on like fraser forever by this point he was Track 2: in his hotel with his emmys you know.

evan: He did not do none of the nonsense yeah that would be it would actually be evan: funny if he didn't actually stay at the camp but maybe he like had just had evan: his own private cabin or something i think bradley cooper in the like the in evan: the uh thing thought because the way he probably envisioned like being on set evan: was like get your own trailer and it's all spread out he's like i got there evan: and i'm just like sleeping in the infirmary that was cool yeah.

Track 3: Sleeping in a bunk bed yeah.

evan: We i guess we talked about like our arc the best characters.

What are some of the...

evan: Again, because there's so many, really so many scenes.

Track 3: I feel like that is the best way to talk about this movie because it is such a loose structure.

Track 3: There's like seven or so character stories.

I kind of recorded them down.

evan: Oh, well, yeah.

Track 3: Like broke them down a little bit.

But you have like...

Track 3: cooper and katie which is uh michael show walter and uh Track 3: marguerite moreau i think uh and then Track 3: you have andy and katie which is paul rudd and and moreau and Track 3: then you have like a few different like mini hookup stories of like Track 3: ken marino uh and like his whole thing in the woods which is amazing and like Track 3: michael eon black and uh bradley cooper and then you have molly shannon as gail Track 3: the art teacher with those it's i love that she is just given her whole own Track 3: like little plot like She doesn't interact with anyone else in the movie.

Not until the end, yeah.

Track 3: She's like, all right, bye, everyone.

I'm going to go marry this child.

evan: That also has one of my favorite lines when Amy – or when Ginny Garofalo says, evan: I'm allergic to oxymorons.

Track 3: Yeah.

evan: Oh, my gosh.

Track 3: And then, yeah, you have the talent show, which is kind of being set up by Susie Track 3: and Ben, which is Amy Poehler and Bradley Cooper.

Track 3: And then you have Beth and the professor when the whole like the Skylab is going Track 3: to come crashing into Earth and it's going to fall right on the rec center in 90 minutes.

Track 3: Oh, and you also have children trapped on a raft that need to be saved from the waterfall.

evan: Yes.

Track 3: Which connects back to Ken Marino's thing.

evan: Yeah, they do connect a lot of them.

Like a thread goes through them.

evan: And also like the constant moments when Paul Rudd is like annoyed by a kid and evan: drives them out with a van and throws them out.

Track 2: Dude, yeah.

I wrote those down.

Every time Paul Rudd, you know, Track 2: there's a couple of times where, like, one kid will see him, like, Track 2: kind of kill another kid and sort of have to like throw him off out of the van Track 2: like in the middle of nowhere i again i love jj and gary like whenever they're Track 2: like watching the wedding and one of them's like it looks like she's playing Track 2: the flute he's like kinky, Track 2: it's so good even at the beginning uh marguerite Track 2: moreau she has this like whenever coop tells her something Track 2: she just has this she goes yeah like it's just Track 2: the word yeah but the way she says it is so fucking funny and Track 2: then of course like all this stuff uh with gene like Track 2: his like soliloquy or whatever about vietnam Track 2: bomb oh i wrote down because like you know you're talking about like politics Track 2: and stuff because and gene is obviously a vietnam veteran or whatever and i Track 2: wrote this down i was like you know because oh we had a guy like that in our Track 2: community growing up like whenever there would be like a thing he would show Track 2: up and he would you know be in his camo jacket sort of like crawling around the.

Track 3: Bombs were going down yeah.

Track 2: He would be doing like that And I wrote down that, like, you know, Track 2: the, the, like, Iraqi and Afghanistan war veterans, they're not as fun as the Vietnam veterans.

Track 3: They don't quite have the Oliver Stone, like, energy that we need, you know.

Track 2: Jacob's Ladder.

Yeah, they don't have to survive.

evan: Yeah, he had the right of mind to do some comedy bits while he was having his evan: PTSD, like, moments, chopping, like, potatoes.

Track 2: Yeah.

evan: You know, in the.

Track 2: It's so good.

evan: I just love his interaction.

I think you mentioned already with Gary, evan: like when he's in the kitchen, he's like, I think Paul Rudd or one of them asked evan: for like the mashed potatoes and he's like gets all pissed off and like just evan: slams backwards and, you know, just everyone keeps a straight face.

evan: I mean, I sometimes wonder how many takes they needed for some of these scenes evan: of just that are just so funny that it would be hard to just keep straight.

Track 2: I want to say i don't know if you mentioned but h john benjamin played yes i did not mention that.

Track 3: Yeah talking vegetables yeah oh.

Track 2: And uh there's a really funny line uh the dungeon master nerd i never noticed Track 2: this uh watch but he says any dungeon master worth his weight in geldings always Track 2: has a 20-sided dice a gelding is a castrated horse.

Track 3: So like that's.

Track 2: Really funny like any dungeon master worth his weight it uh castrated horses Track 2: i thought that was really good yeah.

Track 3: Probably take a couple pounds off and.

Track 2: I yeah and i love the nerds are really funny whenever they're like one of them's Track 2: like maybe we should all just let them die and.

Track 3: Then one's like no he's like no my.

Track 2: Friend jimmy's there he's like you have a friend he's like no i'm just kidding.

Track 3: Well then.

evan: I think they like later on they're like we're all friends you know like these evan: are you're like my only friend.

Track 3: Yeah i i like uh the way david wayne Track 3: like is a lot of times parody movies Track 3: can sometimes be a little too much like i think we're like Track 3: naked gun and like airplane succeed i think this these Track 3: movies do too like they came together i think david wayne Track 3: is really good at finding like really specific tropes like Track 3: uh there's one scene when ken marino and Track 3: joe latrullio are driving to the river to go Track 3: on their little trip and like joe latrullio just has like a like a Track 3: protractor in his hand and it's like oh he's the math nerd Track 3: like it's like stupid 80s like comedy shit Track 3: like that like it's it's yeah always funny to me or like and they came together Track 3: there's a gag with like a bag of groceries that is like you're just like typical Track 3: like movie bag of groceries of like lettuce and like a baguette when they go Track 3: into town oh yeah yeah yeah oh when they go into town that's like one of the best even um.

Track 2: I was going to say, you mentioned the softball scene.

I had, Track 2: like, MASH vibes at the end of MASH.

evan: Oh, yeah.

Track 2: The big football scene.

Also, anytime someone says, like, day by day, Track 2: like, hey, you have to take it day by day, I always go, day by day.

Track 3: Day by day.

Track 2: Day by day.

Also, I just want to say, I am also so old that I ate Tyrannosaurus Track 2: eggs and wrapped a bacon.

Track 3: Instead of cots, we laid on slams.

Track 2: My classmate was fucking jesus christ.

evan: For me that scene is what's almost funnier to me than like the jokes which are evan: like you know corny is actually the reactions of laughter by the by the campers evan: those are what makes me laugh so rolling.

Track 3: In the aisles.

evan: Yeah just you know yeah when.

Track 2: They react to godspell with booze.

Track 3: It's like hissing like a beautiful performance of a song from Maxwell and they hate it, yeah.

evan: I think when Beth is kissing, they play the acoustic version of Kisses Beth, evan: which I think then came up again in another Wayne movie with her in it.

Track 3: Role models.

Track 2: Role models, yeah.

Track 3: Paul Redd sings it at the end.

evan: Yeah.

Track 2: Yeah, he loves that song.

evan: Having that, like, that exact, just, like, playing that song at that exact moment, evan: like, those, like, little bits are just, I don't know, they're just perfect.

Track 3: I like that when, And whenever it does start to get kind of real or whatever, Track 3: like they immediately start pointing it out to the point and like to make it Track 3: uncomfortable again, like or to make it funny again.

They just keep like pointing Track 3: out what they're doing.

I think it's really clever.

Track 2: There's a bunch of references to Ruth Buzzy, the comedic actors like Ruth Buzzy Track 2: and Jane Fonda for some reason.

Track 2: Oh, yeah.

The Three Mile Island.

The kids want to watch Three Mile.

Track 2: Or no, the kids want to watch China Syndrome again.

Yeah.

Track 2: Which I looked it up.

That came out 12 days before the Three Mile Island disaster.

Track 3: That's crazy.

evan: It's just a crazy film that like a bunch of kids would have been watching.

evan: Like, yeah, let's watch China Syndrome again.

Not like, you know, evan: well, I guess Goonies hadn't come out yet.

I don't know.

Something.

Track 3: Then like the Clute reference.

Track 2: Yeah, yeah.

evan: Clute.

Oh, that would have been.

Wait, what's the one?

Oh, Parallax View hadn't come out.

Track 3: Parallax View, yeah.

evan: Wait, that came out after this.

So that wouldn't have worked.

Track 2: The line we always used to quote like in high school is, I need some lube for my pussy.

My pussy.

Track 2: it's pretty gross but like you know we were kids.

evan: Yeah well.

Track 3: I i love the uh the going into town scene too Track 3: because it's i don't know there's just something about it of like they're so excited Track 3: to go into town and like apparently this was Track 3: uh this goes back to like the earliest scripts like they had like they had this Track 3: all like written out like pretty early on but it's so good like it starts they're Track 3: like eating mcdonald's fries and then like it escalates to like they're getting Track 3: a pack of beer and they're smoking weed and then they're buying a bag of coke Track 3: and like robbing old it's great because.

Track 2: It has the punchline when they Track 2: get back he's like it's great to go into town even if it's for only an.

Track 3: Hour.

evan: Or whatever that's so good yeah apparently evan: the part where they are doing like the pretending to evan: shoot heroin i think that uh showalter was like actually evan: nervous about that he's like oh you're not gonna like actually hit me evan: with the needle or anything right and and then i think in the and then evan: like behind in the behind the scenes they're like oh like evan: where did you get the heroin and he's like oh i think i what does evan: he joke he says i got it from i forget which cast member maybe evan: it was paul rutt i don't know like they like jokingly say that they got it from evan: one of the other cast members and it was just they all thought it was hilarious evan: so good that that scene was always one of my just like this is just so insane evan: and they come back and like they're not high anymore they're just like running evan: around yeah we didn't just do heroin 22 minutes ago or whatever we.

Track 3: Didn't just like go through years and years yeah.

Track 2: Junior garoffo is really funny there's a Track 2: There's a moment where she's with my great Mara and she tells her like, Track 2: oh yeah, I use moose for my hair.

She goes, moose?

Track 2: And she does like hand gestures for like a moose's antlers or whatever.

evan: Oh i i don't think i mentioned this at the beginning but uh when evan: i was probably i don't know it's probably around this time like evan: the early 2000s i don't know if it was from this evan: or maybe because from dogman which came out what maybe like two or evan: three years after this i always had like the biggest crush on genie garofalo evan: and then when i like watch this like whenever i watched this movie i'm like evan: and especially in the behind the scenes she's just extremely funny obviously evan: she was like a standard stand of comedy and so that was kind of her she's like evan: good on her feet I do wonder, evan: you said that they originally wanted this to be improv.

evan: Do you think that still some of the lines were?

I couldn't find anything that's said.

Track 3: I think the way it worked, I think David Wayne said it was kind of like do your Track 3: best type thing of try to follow the lines.

Track 3: But a lot of these people hadn't been in a movie before.

Track 3: And so it was like they had to kind of be loose with it.

But Janine Ruffalo, Track 3: though, notably, on Air America with Sam Seder, she was like a big opponent Track 3: of the Iraq War and stuff.

She was.

Track 2: Oh, yeah.

Track 3: I mean, she's still around.

I say she died or something.

She's still around.

Track 3: She's still hanging out.

But she's cool.

Her and like Marc Maron and a few other comedians.

Track 3: I think like Al Franken, who is Track 3: now, you know, sort of not in the public anymore.

I don't know about it.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: Yeah.

they all showed up in the altman like miniseries tanner on tanner uh very Track 3: briefly but yeah a bunch of the air america people were were on.

evan: There been in anything in a little while i don't think i.

Track 3: Saw like a clip of her recently like yeah i don't know if she's doing like comedy Track 3: and stuff anymore of like was she on like a big sitcom or anything like is she Track 3: just like cashing like royalty checks now i have no idea.

evan: I'm just looking at her like she's been in shows in the last you know like 10 evan: 12 years but nothing more than like you know 10 episodes you know 10 episodes evan: here five there like shows i actually haven't even heard of i remember she was evan: on west wing for a little like that was a while ago now for a little bit she was on 24 in the.

Track 2: Mid 2000s i know she still does stand-up Track 2: i remember i went i think it was like it was some like three-day festival in Track 2: austin fun fun fun fun fest or something like that or f.i.f something like that Track 2: whatever but um yeah she was doing stand-up in a tent so even when she wasn't Track 2: doing like movies or whatever i think like she's always steady she's a stand-up Track 2: you know she's old school like.

Track 3: That yeah yeah.

evan: I would i would.

Track 3: See if she came to.

evan: If she did a show i would definitely try i haven't seen her do stand-up before.

Track 3: Yeah um i i just want to Track 3: talk more about ken marino's weird plot because Track 3: i love when uh joe latruglia is on the raft and they're like we won't want vic Track 3: back or whatever and he's like we all do sammy he's like my name's not sammy Track 3: and then he's like okay i'll go i'm gonna go get him guys and he just hops off Track 3: and like there's a motorcycle just waiting there that entire that entire scene.

evan: To me is i know like of all like the things that are sort of like very satirical evan: and everything like that one just like with the music that also would be one evan: of the three montage i think you said there's three different montages in this like also like the.

Track 3: Bale of hay in the in.

evan: The in like the center of the road and he's like.

Track 3: Oh fuck damn it got away slow motion jump over it yeah it's very like silent Track 3: movie kind of level humor just like a guy chasing another guy even.

Track 2: In the 10 years later sequel they still keep up the bit of Camerino being a Track 2: virgin, which is really funny.

Track 3: He's like, I want her inside.

evan: Yeah, that's why I wrote that.

Track 3: Maybe Michael St.

Welty says that, but he's like, oh, she was talking to you.

Track 3: That means she definitely wants to fuck me.

Track 2: Yeah.

Is she saying anything about me?

She wants to fuck me?

Track 2: Camerino's so funny because he was in the league and stuff.

Track 2: I love a guy who's, because he looks like a jock.

Track 2: I'm sure he probably was and he's super handsome, but also just fucking funny Track 2: as fuck and unafraid to make himself like stupid or whatever.

Track 2: Like one of my favorites.

evan: Yeah.

Track 2: So good.

Track 3: Party Down.

evan: Party Down.

Track 2: Yeah.

evan: The first two seasons, or I guess the first, the original run of that show is evan: just some of the best, one of the best shows ever, I don't know.

So good.

Track 3: Yeah.

Well, and, uh, Track 3: I like, it is such a great 80s parody too of like every single guy in this is Track 3: like, other girls are purely like objects of our desire.

Track 3: And like, it's purely like a pursuit of like getting laid.

And it's not like Track 3: anything deeper than that.

Like we don't actually want to be friends with any of these girls.

Track 3: Like, they're like, oh, we could just be friends.

And it's like a huge letdown, Track 3: like the friend zone or whatever, you know, like.

evan: Well that's like uh katie's uh like telling coop like you know like that they evan: they're not going to be together the next day and explaining she's like i like evan: you a lot but like paul rutt he's just really really really hot like i'm gonna evan: just have sex with him okay i'm 16 like that's explaining in there's.

Track 2: A bit yeah in the prequel where it's like amy poehler has an affair with john Track 2: slattery from madman um roger sterling and uh like when they kind of a spoiler Track 2: but when they break it off she's like i'm only 16.

evan: Which is really.

Track 2: Funny because it's a.b.

polar but she's like and she's like yeah one day you'll Track 2: make you'll make an underage girl very happy i was gonna say kim arena was also Track 2: in uh eastbound and down i always forget oh yeah he's so good in that yeah he Track 2: said yeah reno 911 like uh yeah children's hospital he's the man he.

evan: Was It's also in, what was that show?

I was just thinking about it.

evan: It was only on, I think, like two, oh, Happy Endings.

Have you seen that?

Track 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Track 3: I don't think I've seen that.

evan: That's a bunch of people.

Track 3: There was a David Wayne show.

It was called, like, Medical Police or something like that from 2020.

evan: Oh, yeah.

Track 3: I remember watching that, and it's really good.

It's, like, up there with his Track 3: episodes he did of, like, Children's Hospital.

evan: Oh, yeah.

That movie, isn't that show, like, with, oh, God, I don't remember who else was in it.

Track 3: It's, like, Rob Hubel.

evan: Oh, right.

I thought it was Rob Cordy.

Track 3: Rob Corddry, yeah.

Rob Corddry is the clown doctor.

Track 2: Yeah, yeah.

Track 3: There's a character named Dr.

Jason Manzoukas, but he's not played by Jason Track 3: Manzoukas.

It's a really good bit.

evan: One of the other things that I saw in the documentary, I think they were going evan: to make Michael Showalter's character be like a murderer and it would be uncovered evan: that he killed a bunch of people but his parents apparently made him change evan: it because they thought it was the worst thing and it would have ruined the movie.

evan: So they changed and they cut that whole part from it or something.

evan: I'm pretty sure it was Michael Showalter and his parents because they do interview.

evan: His parents were there, I think, as well as David Wayne's parents at the shooting evan: of this film.

Which is cute.

Track 3: The scene you mentioned when, what's her name?

Katie or whatever.

Track 3: She's like, yeah, I'm going to go be with Paul Rudd because he's chiseled.

Track 3: He looks like he's chiseled out of marble.

Track 3: I love the editing in that scene where it just keeps cutting back to Michael Track 3: Showalter.

They're like nodding and smiling.

He's just like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Track 2: Yeah, I was going to say that that's one of like the funniest, Track 2: like kind of underrated parts of this film, especially in like the Molly Shannon scenes.

Track 2: Like they're like reaction shots of the kids, especially that are just so fucking funny.

Track 2: It will be like somebody be talking to those cuts to a kid and just looking Track 2: kind of like confused or whatever.

Track 2: It's OK.

It's a great touch.

evan: And they weren't actors.

They took out an ad in the newspaper to get the kids to be in this movie.

evan: And they I mean, maybe them were like aspiring like child actors, evan: I guess could have been.

But they also had a bunch of scenes with them, evan: like, interacting with the cast and, like, getting advice from them and just, evan: you know, these, it must have been so hysterical.

Track 3: David Wayne talked about the audition for the kid that won't shower, the radio kid.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: And he said, like, he was so bizarre, like, he was homeschooled.

Track 3: And they were like, oh, like, what's that like being homeschooled?

Track 3: And he's like, well, it's great because I'm the best kid in the class, Track 3: but also I'm the worst kid in the class.

Track 3: Like, that's the letdown, you know?

And they were like, okay, we have to hire this kid.

Track 3: But apparently he was so bad at remembering lines or reading the script that Track 3: they got Sam Levine to dub over his lines from like Freaks and Geeks.

Track 2: Yeah, it works well because in the prequel they have, they do a similar thing Track 2: where they like recast the kid, but they get Sam Levine to do the radio voice.

Track 2: And then in the sequel, they actually just have Sam Levine as the beekeeper.

evan: Yeah well the uh they also said that apparently the kid who goes water skiing evan: in the in the film they asked him to be like oh can you water ski is it call evan: you i can water ski and then he couldn't actually water ski so they had to like evan: figure out how to teach him to evan: water ski just for long enough to get that shot which i think is classic.

Track 2: Actor thing to do.

evan: Yeah of course i can do it like they probably assume you wouldn't actually have evan: to do it and they just were asking him and exactly Sure, I can ride a horse.

Track 2: Your agent will tell you to do that.

They'll be like, have you ever ridden a Track 2: horse?

Yes.

Okay, then put that on that you can ride a horse.

Track 2: Can you imagine yourself on a horse?

Put that down that you can ride a horse.

Track 3: Can you imagine yourself speaking Spanish?

Track 2: Right.

Yeah.

The Duolingo app.

You got the ear.

Yeah, yeah.

evan: The other thing that was like a big thing in the documentary, evan: I think I asked you both if you had heard of the game Snaps, evan: which I think it might stand for something or whatever, But it's basically, evan: I remember kids playing this when I was younger, but I don't think I understood how to play.

evan: And part of the running joke was a lot of the cats didn't understand for the evan: entire month how to play until like the last day.

evan: They're having dinner and they're like, oh, I think I get how this game works.

evan: And then they have them try and play and they still don't get it.

Track 3: Do you, what is the, could you tell me the premise of the game?

evan: The premise of the game is that you say is like the, so you think of, evan: or someone gives you like a celebrity or an actor or something.

evan: and you then have to...

One person is essentially the...

evan: person giving the clues and then you have like the guesser i evan: guess or it could be multiple people and you have to say like the evan: name of the game is snaps or the name of the game isn't snaps if evan: you say it is that means you're gonna help spell evan: the name of the actor whereas if you isn't you're evan: gonna give a clue to them so like if the actor was you evan: know uh you know tom cruise and you evan: wanted to give the clue like mission impossible or something you could evan: say isn't and then you would have to snap and then the way evan: you would give the clue is the first letter of the sentence you said evan: was the letter of the word and then snapping was evan: vowel so it was like a is one snap b or uh i is two whatever and so on and so evan: you'd have to give them a few clues but they were like david wayne and a few evan: of them were like michael showwater were so good they would give like two or evan: three like clues and they'd be they would get it every time like in the in the scene they.

Track 3: Were they were down in the theater kid minds like playing.

evan: Yeah or like i don't know i mean they also could have edited in a way that it evan: like seemed like i don't know but sure it just this was a game that they were evan: just playing throughout it i think they apparently still play when they like evan: hang out with each other which is pretty well.

Track 3: And notably uh david wayne i believe he said like he went to summer camp a few Track 3: years and then he became a camp.

evan: Counselor like.

Track 3: When he was 16 but all the other campers are like 15 so it's like yeah you're Track 3: one year older than everybody so it's like a lot of just like yeah go do your Track 3: own thing i'll go do my own thing like we're pretty much the same age like i'm Track 3: not gonna boss you around or whatever so it's a lot of hanging out.

evan: Which is kind of the way that the counselors act evan: in this show like they're just basically there to hang evan: out except for molly shannon who's you know clearly older evan: than the rest of them and i always found her like evan: scene like the whole thing with her divorce and then later when you know the evan: husband comes or and he's like telling her to go away yeah judah free yeah it's evan: such a like that is hat it's a it's a really good like follow through of that evan: plot all the way she's like practicing the phone call like be strong yeah.

Track 3: And the payoff that she's.

evan: Gonna marry that marries the kid the kid's.

Track 3: Really funny yeah he's great he's that's probably the best kid actor they got.

evan: Oh I don't.

Track 2: Want to sound like I'm talking against my gender excuse the Yiddish but we can Track 2: be real you know whatever but yeah he's really good and it's a great payoff Track 2: too yeah and again the rare Judah Freelander without his trekker hat.

evan: Yeah yeah like he just got the big fro i.

Track 3: Saw a funny clip of judah friedlander doing crowd work recently and like he's Track 3: like you know he asks the guy he's like where are you from and he's like israel Track 3: and he's like oh you mean palestine that's great he just keeps like hammering Track 3: on it like for like 10 minutes it's really yeah that rocks.

evan: One of the things i was doing too this was i evan: don't i don't know if i told you this i think i made my last like letterbox evan: review was just this i was counting how many times a character uses the middle evan: finger in it yeah and i and i got i thought it was four the first time and then evan: i was just kind of then i was counting like if they did it twice like at the evan: same time it was mostly paul rudd who did it i think he has like three or four evan: of the five yeah it's early on when they do it a bunch and then they just stops doing it.

Track 3: Yeah the the things you start noticing on like your 20th.

evan: Or whatever.

Track 3: Like yeah i only just started noticing how recycled the cast is like the outside Track 3: of the main characters like they clearly had a small cast And so they would Track 3: just move them around and like, uh, the one girl that's like the punk rock kid, Track 3: the one that's like 90 minutes.

Track 3: That's like how long a mixtape is, which is a very stupid, like eighties line.

Track 3: Yeah.

Uh, she's in the like Godspell performance, like doing the lead.

Track 3: Like they just move people around like all the time.

So, yeah, Track 3: I think that was part of like the magic of this too was, uh, Track 3: you know, the low budget film.

evan: That song was written for this, right?

That the.

Track 2: Oh, the, uh, the day by day.

That's a song from Godspell.

I actually looked Track 2: it up a little bit because, oh, sorry.

evan: Not that one.

Wasn't there like the other song?

Track 3: The credit song?

evan: Yeah, the credit song.

evan: Did they write it?

Track 3: I don't know.

Yeah, I didn't hear about that.

evan: But probably.

Wait, what's the song you're talking about?

You're talking about Day by Day.

Track 2: Oh, yeah.

I was saying, because I looked it up, like, Godspell and Jesus Christ Superstar.

Track 2: Like, in the 70s, there was this, like, there were all these, Track 2: like, musicals that were, like, Christian.

Track 2: But, like, Christians hated them because they thought they were, Track 2: like, you know, sacrilegious or whatever.

But I guess mainstream audiences.

Track 3: Hey, Jesus Christ Superstar has some good songs.

Yeah.

Track 2: I mean, the performance of Day by Day in this is really good.

Track 3: No actually I was booing when they did I.

evan: Was saying it.

Track 3: Was horrible it's funny cause just so you know all these performers suck dick Track 3: I love what she says that before they go up it's.

Track 2: So funny and speaking of stuff like you I didn't realize until like this watch Track 2: like the audience not only are they booing but like they're hissing as well they're like.

Track 3: Yeah it's so good yeah I was really loving the like the comedian that Michael Track 3: Schroelalter played I fucking was cracking up at that character I was like it's so stupid Track 3: stupid a lot of the jokes and the that stick with Track 3: me in this are just the the stupidest jokes like the crate and barrel box or Track 3: like yeah like the just weird little details like that or like the pottery shatter Track 3: sound effect uh that they use like 50 times like he throws the like garden shovel Track 3: and it's like like the cracking pottery sound yeah.

evan: Oh so the song show me the fever which is the like the theme song was around evan: for the movie i don't does i.

Track 3: Can't i.

evan: Didn't see who wrote it or it's classic it sounds like a song that could have evan: been like you know journey or like you know i think jefferson starship is in evan: it a bunch like actual songs.

Track 3: So yeah oh jay yeah a big notable thing and this is the licensed music because Track 3: this is like right before you it became very difficult to use licensed movie Track 3: music and movies because you used to be able to do what was called like a step Track 3: deal which was like you could get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a, Track 3: music and movies for really cheap as long as the gross was under a certain amount Track 3: and if it went over that then you'd have to start paying more but because this Track 3: is so low budget and like didn't really make its money then they never really Track 3: had to worry about that yeah imagine if it had like been a runaway hit and they're.

evan: Like having to pay you know.

Track 3: Jefferson starship like.

evan: A million dollars i don't know i don't know what.

Track 3: They actually david wayne said they still like haven't paid the uh investors Track 3: back for this movie like they still are like every now and then they'll get Track 3: a little check and send it to the investors they.

Track 2: Use it in the uh netflix uh sequels as well i love it like that intro yeah jane Track 2: by jefferson starship it's so sick it's one of my favorite.

Track 3: It's very like days you're confused of like yeah they're all by the big bonfire Track 3: or whatever and like yeah.

Track 2: I mean you've read it a few times but yeah when you asked about like our favorite Track 2: summer movies like yeah days you can choose i i've seen that movie probably Track 2: one of the only movies i've seen it's more than this one, Track 2: yeah I mean it's the first day of summer or whatever still going into Houston Track 2: to get the Marilsman tickets.

Track 3: Oh that movie yeah this movie almost feels like an extension of that as well Track 3: like yeah kind of like Gen Xer somewhere.

evan: The Dazed and Fused.

Track 3: Oh yeah I'll just say that's probably.

evan: One of the movies I've seen probably more than this like that and like the Big Lebowski Dazed.

Track 3: And Fused yeah I feel like we'll probably talk about it on the show one day Track 3: maybe we can have you come by for it or something I love that I feel like inevitably Track 3: we'll do it just because it's like yeah a commonality between us actually.

evan: I'm surprised i didn't suggest that because that would have been like a evan: not that this is like not an amazing movie but that also is uh such a so many evan: stories and actually the what was i just gonna say about it like i i hope i evan: know that there's a blu-ray but i want them to like come out with a i don't evan: know like a 4k with even more behind the scenes i actually don't have this movie evan: on uh blu-ray which i should .

Track 3: Blu-ray is good.

It didn't even come out that long ago either.

Track 3: It took them a while to get it out, but it's really good.

It looks great.

evan: I know.

Track 3: I need to get it.

Track 2: How about Blu-ray?

I remember when I was a kid, I got a five-day rental of Days Track 2: of Confused and watched it every night for five days.

Track 2: I think I watched it twice one night.

I love that movie.

Track 3: Yeah i was excited talk about summer Track 3: you know has become a big summer movie for me after we Track 3: did altman was his movie oc and stiggs which Track 3: i have now watched every summer since we Track 3: covered it on the show because it's i think it's kind of in the vein of out Track 3: american summer a little bit too of like for sure parading it's parodying movies Track 3: that are like not even out yet like that's how ahead of the curve that movie Track 3: is and it's like kind of based on a national lampoon thing uh yeah and And it's a whole wild ride.

Track 3: And it's kind of mean-spirited.

Like, it's very fun.

evan: Wait, what movie is this?

Track 3: It's Robert Altman's film, O.C.

and Stiggs.

evan: Oh, I have not seen this.

Track 3: I think it came out in, like, 87 or something.

evan: Oh, yeah, 87.

You got it right.

I have not seen this.

I'm going to have to check this out.

Track 3: Check it out.

It's good.

I could send you a link to, like, a spreadsheet of Track 3: all.

We have all of his movies linked in there.

evan: Oh, yeah.

I think I still have.

You sent that to me at some point.

I bet I still have it.

Track 3: We have a Jonathan Demme one now, too, if you want to.

evan: No, but I, but if you, if you, yeah, you should, if you remember to send it evan: to me after I, but it's funny.

evan: I was just looking, you can buy Wet Hot American Summer Blu-ray for $9.

So that's.

Track 3: Hell yeah.

Track 2: Hell yeah.

Yeah.

Track 3: Good deal.

evan: That's kind of, in a way, like kind of makes me sad.

It can't even make, evan: uh, you know, even at like websites that I've never, like oldies.com, evan: which I don't think I've ever, I wouldn't order from there, but it's $10 and 30 cents.

evan: It's like 30 cents over, you know, market rate or whatever.

Track 3: I have, like, a bunch of other notes just from watching the movie.

evan: Oh, please.

Track 3: It's mostly just, like, favorite bits.

evan: Oh, yeah.

Please.

We haven't talked about everything yet.

Track 3: The softball game bit is probably one of my favorites of, like, Track 3: we have to have the big culminating climactic softball game that was never established.

Track 3: And, like, I love that he just is, like, we had a kooky training period.

Track 3: It seemed like nothing was going to go right.

Somehow we made it to the finals.

Track 3: And, of course, we have the anonymously evil, like, rival camp.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: And then the bus gets there and like, he's like, yeah, the kids aren't into Track 3: it.

They said it's like trite.

It's kind of hacky.

evan: That's the best line that he says.

It's trite.

Like for me, that is the best line.

Track 2: And the other coach goes, he goes, yeah, it is pretty hack.

He's like, Track 2: they were totally cool with it.

Track 3: Yeah.

All right.

Cool.

Let's go back to hanging out.

Track 3: Anytime there's like any semblance of like a plot starts coming in there, Track 3: like get that out of here.

Track 2: I love when Paul Rudd's like, I'm writing down in my journal.

I write in it every day.

Track 3: Oh, you mean journal?

evan: He's like, I'm not smart like you.

Track 3: Smart people call it.

Track 2: Yeah.

Only like three people have access to this.

evan: That scene also when he lets the kid just take the boat out and then he brings evan: it back too, like nicely.

evan: He just glides into the dock.

Track 3: The whole growth of the Gene character, Track 3: his sort of arc of like yeah he just is like really afraid to talk about what Track 3: he's gonna go do in private which was like his dick cream or his uh smearing Track 3: mud on his ass humping the fridge have.

Track 2: A great winter i'm gonna go home to fridge.

Track 3: But doesn't he get into the car.

evan: At the end like is that his supposed to be his wife at the end.

Track 3: I have no idea i love his outfit at the end though he looks amazing he's got Track 3: like the big glasses and like the white pants they.

evan: Apparently filmed the like the scene where he humps the fridge and they like evan: sort of wheel it out they apparently did that a bunch of times and it's like evan: to get it just to get it right i guess and like i don't know.

Track 3: They told the kids to leave i actually.

evan: Wonder that too like there's never a scene where uh one of the uh what is it evan: uh who was it one of them makes out with one of the kids like in front of the.

Track 3: Yeah and she's like.

evan: You snooze you lose.

Track 3: Yeah yeah the girl that ken marino is going after like can't she kiss a child, Track 3: I don't know they might have just been like you know because we see her from Track 3: behind I guess I'm making out with myself type yeah Abby Bernstein, Track 3: Abby yeah yeah yeah um, Track 3: And then, yeah, and then, what's his name?

Track 3: Michael Showalter's, like, arc in the movie as well of, like, Track 3: you know, that's another montage of, like, he's training with Gene of, Track 3: like, doing, like, dances.

evan: Oh, I love it.

Like, that's, like, that gave me, like, very Karate Kid vibes.

evan: I mean, I guess that's kind of what they're going for.

Track 3: Yeah, snatching the thing out of his hand.

Track 2: One of, like, the hardest scenes to watch is when Coop is calling his parents.

Track 2: and he's like i know you guys have uh worried about me having trouble meeting Track 2: women well worry no more like well.

evan: Do you think.

Track 2: Raflow's staring at him like.

evan: Being like oh.

Track 2: Yeah it's so good it's so good because he's like i don't know but.

Track 3: She does have a big nose clearly.

Track 2: Yeah yeah it's so Track 2: funny because like that i've 100 have done Track 2: that you know as a teenager at some point was like well my Track 2: troubles are over i found the Track 2: one yeah fuck you i found a girlfriend so i wait he's like i'm gonna marry her Track 2: like they're 16 yeah yeah and then when he sees like when he sees her talking Track 2: to paul rudd and he like walks away and he's like yeah he's like pumps his fists oh another great paul.

evan: Rudd scene is when michael showalter goes to talk to him in the bunk and he's evan: like i talked to you for a second he's like that was a second.

Track 2: It's like even longer.

Track 3: For a second you wanted to talk more than a second oh.

Track 2: There's a great bit in the prequel Track 2: where like it's this girl and she's doing cheers by herself on Track 2: the porch she's like boys go to jupiter to Track 2: get more stupider girls go to mars and these superstars Track 2: and then she like runs to a stall and like Track 2: she has her first period or whatever and then like as she's talking through Track 2: the stall so like uh the other women she's like her voice suddenly drops and Track 2: like when she went in it was a child actress and then like she's talking and Track 2: then her voice drops and then when it walks out it's like adult abby and suddenly Track 2: she's like into boys or whatever yeah it's pretty good bit oh man.

evan: I gotta i have to i was saying i was i need to it's been a while since i've seen the cool david.

Track 3: Wayne loves like switching out one guy for like a texas switch or like uh.

Track 2: Yeah like joe latrugio.

Track 3: And this like the guy on the motorcycle with the.

Track 2: Very clear wig on yeah because Track 2: there's like uh yeah there's one shot where they had they showed joe lutruglio Track 2: and he has this crazy wig and they come back to him again and then he has a Track 2: normal wig on it's just like yeah this stuntman like uh yeah clearly like it's Track 2: like some stunt guy they do that in with like in like a dance sequence with like paul red yeah they.

Track 3: Do that with the little kids too when they throw him from the van david wayne specifically said that.

Track 2: Oh yeah he's like there's a guy in new york he's like.

Track 3: Kind of a he's like a little person he's like four feet tall or something and Track 3: like literally like that's what he he does is like he does you need like someone Track 3: to be a child stunt actor and so yeah they're like here's a couple hundred bucks like.

evan: Toss you.

Track 3: From the van a couple times two different outfits.

evan: And you're.

Track 3: Good to go.

evan: I that's awesome one of the evan: one of the other that like these are they're like things that i've evan: i've noticed and seen a bunch of time but there's a scene early on evan: where there's a bunch of kids that are just sort of like hiking in the evan: woods and every single one of them has like not a game boy because i hadn't evan: come out yet but like you know like an electronic gaming thing or whatever it evan: is playing you know asteroid or something and it just uh like and they're also evan: they mentioned how they went to go see the movie again like they're watching evan: like movies and playing video games it seems like a very loose structured camp, evan: it didn't seem like that from before yeah.

Track 3: They're doing ipad.

Track 2: Kids stuff in 1981 i looked up because they say exactly what day it is in the Track 2: movie and i looked it up and like nothing happened that day like the most boring is last day in history.

Track 3: Well apparently it was 1979 the sky lab was going to crash to earth but it landed Track 3: in like australia but i think david wayne said he was at camp when that happened Track 3: and they were like wondering if it was going to like hit the camp, Track 3: yeah it's gonna hit this very specific camp like.

evan: They built a huge like the thing they built apparently was like enormous and evan: took them i think it's like five days to build the like the model sky lab thing they had yeah.

Track 2: Oh um it's august 18th 1981 there was like a patent for some random type of Track 2: cigarette that no one bought like it's just a very like chill day one of the Track 2: chillest days in all of american history the.

Track 3: Day where truly nothing happened yeah.

evan: We're talking about like the politics of it and i think you could probably argue evan: that if you if we had like covered this plus like the prequel and like you have evan: like the reagan stuff like you kind of get a little bit of it but more and just evan: like we're just making fun of this i don't know that it's like overtly meant evan: to be like political statement yeah for.

Track 2: Sure michael showalter his reagan Track 2: is so good like he played like his older Track 2: coop is like obviously very awkward for community effect but his Track 2: reagan is like pretty spot on um yeah and i was gonna say like this is like Track 2: the i don't know it's like the best version of like uh gen x but like people Track 2: forget like marjorie taylor green elon musk peter till these are all gen xers Track 2: right like they may be getting something of a pass still but it won't last forever you.

evan: Know yeah.

Track 3: They talk just like the uh you know the same people.

Track 2: I was going to say, because it's like that happened, like I said, Track 2: basically from boomers onward.

Track 2: But like, if you go back to like that boomer generation and the hippies and Track 2: like everyone in the 60s, it's like, you know, they see like the Kennedys die.

Track 2: They see JF or they see like MLK get shot.

Track 2: They see like Fred Hampton get murdered.

Track 2: yeah so like all these people either straight Track 2: up get murdered or like get hooked on drugs and Track 2: die from that and everyone who's left over basically Track 2: gets bought out right like they're the eagles or whatever Track 2: you know or yeah or like Track 2: bobby seal doing a cooking show or whatever and like Track 2: so it's like kind of like not like to excuse Track 2: it but it's like you know i guess it's like Track 2: well they killed everybody they killed everyone who really cared or Track 2: whatever and then that kind of like carries is over into Track 2: like you know watch your step and then you kind of Track 2: get shit like you're like stuff that's really apolitical i mean i Track 2: feel like even like taylor swift kind of people give her Track 2: shit for never she never said anything about like pound sign Track 2: or whatever which like it is true like because at some point like Track 2: those few it's just it's a it's a money thing right Track 2: it's corporate and that's why everything kind of sucks is because everything's Track 2: just very corporate or whatever but like at the same Track 2: time it's like like by not saying anything that in and of itself becomes a huge Track 2: statement you know because it's like this happened you know the past almost Track 2: two years have happened and you know uh if you if you haven't said anything Track 2: at this point like why not you know that in and of itself yeah yeah like.

Track 3: Neutrality in times of oppression you're siding with the oppressor right like.

Track 2: It's like imagine like like we don't go back to like oh yeah there's Track 2: this really funny like comedic film from germany Track 2: from 1943 it's completely apolitical it Track 2: has nothing to do with what was going on like you can appreciate just Track 2: like as a movie like no one does you know what i mean like it's even fucking Track 2: like it's crazy to me like i mean this sort of is in the discourse of superman Track 2: i guess like imagine if like they had made superman and he was like you know Track 2: what i'm actually not going to address the whole like world war ii thing like Track 2: i'm going to kind of stay out of it or whatever like this is so crazy to me that's.

Track 3: Why i'll never forgive the minions for what they did you know Track 3: Hiding out during World War II.

Track 2: Yeah, I mean, even fucking like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were addressing the fascist situation.

Track 2: But like you couldn't, you know, you couldn't say anything.

evan: This like maybe is partly related to like the corporation.

I was thinking about this.

evan: I think maybe someone wrote an article that I saw on somewhere.

evan: but just like the idea that people like you don't really people don't give celebrities evan: shit anymore for like selling.

Track 2: Out and doing.

evan: Commercials for like everything like think of how many commercials every celebrity evan: you see in any movie is in nowadays not.

Track 2: Dude everything.

Track 3: So you have to go to japan so people so americans wouldn't like lose their trust exactly.

evan: And like so.

Track 3: It's just thinking yeah.

Track 2: We talk about all the time because like i was watching like pluto tv and i saw Track 2: fucking like ryan seacrest doing uh he was doing an ad for like a mobile gaming casino called like, Track 2: uh like poke choco it was a really good name.

Track 3: I forget what it was.

Track 2: Yeah i wish it was so it was so weird but like you Track 2: see that all like eva longoria i saw her i'm like Track 2: didn't she just do a fucking like uh fucking cheetos Track 2: movie i don't know but they're like the office people they're like doing i mean Track 2: you see that a lot i mean even like big stars like uh i don't like uh chris Track 2: pratt and the monopoly go ads yeah oh yeah yeah those are the ray-ban commercials Track 2: with uh chris hemsworth and chris pratt like i.

Track 3: Was telling you i saw one recently for aura with robert.

Track 2: Downey jr.

Track 3: And i was like what is.

Track 2: Robert downey.

Track 3: Jr he has billions of dollars by now he must like with a b.

Track 2: Matt damon larry uh larry david uh all the crypto spike lee all did crypto commercials Track 2: see we should like not that's not cool we that i like the.

Track 3: Spike lee one was like particularly bad because it was like.

Track 2: Because it's selling it to african-american people yeah exactly it was like black people this.

Track 3: Is our new currency or whatever.

Track 2: It's so credit to me what are you doing bro and we Track 2: should we should give these people so much more shit i mean matt mcconaughey Track 2: still does it but i'll never forget the one because i watch you know Track 2: i went to uc so i watch all the football games but there's a crypto commercial that Track 2: i always play where he's like well ai ever gain sentience or Track 2: gain consciousness well we and i'm like fuck Track 2: you dude like maybe not you specifically will ever gain consciousness because Track 2: you're a fucking dullard but like yeah we already have man keep up you know Track 2: like i uh i hate that shit but thank you for reminding me i'll make a list of Track 2: every every celebrity who ever did a fucking crypto commercial or any sort of Track 2: gambling uh related like online that shit is evil dude yeah.

evan: Well, now it's like, I mean, to even go further, like basically there's someone I think wrote a, evan: either wrote a book or maybe they were talking about this of also how just like evan: the sports industry and all the sports networks are basically just in bed with evan: gambling, like sports gambling.

Track 3: It's like unwatchable now.

evan: Yeah.

Crypto Arena or something.

Track 2: It hits me.

evan: Or whatever.

Track 2: Yeah.

The prevalence of like, yeah, like sports gambling and stuff.

Track 3: Like now they just show the like odds numbers during games and stuff.

Track 2: Described them completely like corrupted it yeah Track 2: how quickly like the mainstream and like the networks and the leagues themselves Track 2: have embraced it and there's already like multiple like uh scandals right regarding Track 2: players like fixing because that's why we kept it out of we kept gambling out Track 2: of sports for so long because this is what happens right they're gonna start Track 2: fixing games and it's been for a while and start uh.

Track 3: Being like yeah i'll throw this.

Track 2: Game yeah probably like um Track 2: fucking it has made sports unwatchable as someone Track 2: who like my whole life i've loved fucking sports it has Track 2: made it literally unwatchable to me and like i Track 2: i remember seeing a video and i think they said within like Track 2: the first five years like 2019 to 2024 i think people lost something americans Track 2: lost like 250 billion dollars like on sports gambling and that's all just an Track 2: upward transfer of wealth that's all that's happening right they're just taking Track 2: poor people's money and giving it to the rich as they do with every fucking thing in this country.

evan: People stop playing the lottery and they need to find a new way to steal your evan: money.

I mean, I guess you could argue...

Track 2: It's the same thing with...

Track 3: Yeah well i was gonna say.

Track 2: It's the same thing with crypto like i like these are these are theoretically Track 2: currencies right that you would use to buy stuff but instead it's just pump Track 2: and dump schemes it's like yeah.

Track 3: Like it's literally just meant to be bought and sold yeah and traded yeah and Track 3: i think you know i don't i forget how we got dealt this rabbit hole but like, Track 3: gambling and sports like that it ruins sports like socially too because it makes Track 3: people like oh yeah angry like they don't longer just like they just want to Track 3: see their team win it's like Now there's money involved and like now that it's like personal.

Track 2: It becomes really sad.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 2: I went to Vegas once and I gambled it because I wanted to play the tables, Track 2: you know, like, uh, like I went to the old part of Vegas.

Track 2: I don't want to play to anyone, but it was like a once in a lifetime thing for Track 2: me.

But like, I don't do it online or, you know, whatever, or any of the apps.

Track 2: I knew someone who like, I, it's okay if I guess I don't say his name, Track 2: but I had a coworker here.

Track 2: I knew like quit drinking, but he was like a degenerate gambler and that's all Track 2: he would talk about.

and I'm like Las Vegas sober yeah I was like that's a great Track 2: that's great dude yeah I was like is this any better because like this is still Track 2: pretty sad to me you know yeah.

Track 3: I'm Nevada sober I stopped drinking but.

Track 2: Now I'm addicted to gambling yeah that's crazy and like we watch like we love Track 2: Bob but he's like a notorious gambler and honestly like it's really funny Robert Track 2: Allman but like big gambler but when he does it it's usually pretty funny because Track 2: it's not like sad it's like Harry Belafonte doing prints right it's a little less sad.

Track 3: Oh there happens to be a horse track right by the set that we're shooting on how.

Track 2: Convenient oh shooting a whole movie because it's close to a horror series track Track 2: like that is that's I mean but he's got the he always had the money you know Track 2: the gambler's gene yeah going there with Bella Fonte and stuff yeah, Track 2: oh it's Marvin Van Peebles I think yeah Melvin Van Peebles sorry yeah.

Track 3: Uh that was for oc and stiggs the movie we were talking about i think we've Track 3: kind of gone off on a tangent which is i don't know i don't.

Track 2: I don't remember.

evan: Exactly where we're a guy.

Track 2: Oh because we were and we were talking about sort of Track 2: like uh just like tangentially the commercials the Track 2: cast of this movie right like like yeah well i Track 2: mean because this is a very janex thing right like it used to be sort of Track 2: faux pas to sell out right Track 2: but i think i saw it happen like with the millennials like because Track 2: at that point people had stopped buying music and they were Track 2: like look the only way we can get any sort of attention or money is by doing Track 2: an itunes commercial so the whole idea of like selling out as like a negative Track 2: thing sort of went away and now it's the opposite everything is hyper commercialized Track 2: everything like every interaction every social interaction is like hyper commodified Track 2: and stuff here's the idea like.

Track 3: Here's how we can tie it in i just saw a nintendo switch 2 commercial with paul Track 3: rudd and joe latrullio in it.

Track 2: So there you go and he's He's.

Track 3: Recreating an ad he did in the 80s for the Super Nintendo, and he's wearing Track 3: the same outfit and, like, hair and everything.

Track 3: And it's, like, nostalgia bait, and it's like, hey, it's Paul Rudd, Track 3: and, like, Joe LaTrulio also happens to be there.

Track 2: They Ant-Manned him, dude.

So hard.

I hate that.

evan: I just don't understand, as you said, like, with some of these people as...

evan: They have, most of them have so much money, but I guess what's a little more?

Track 2: Like Ryan Seacrest.

Why is he doing Pluto mobile app gaming app commercials?

Or like Eva Longoria.

Track 3: They made you the new Dick Clark.

evan: There must be some nefarious reason.

Like he owes the mob money or I don't know.

Track 3: Nicholas Cage, he bought a bunch of artifacts that he now has to pay for or whatever.

Track 2: Like eva longoria was like Track 2: she was on desperate housewives which was a show that went into syndication Track 2: she was a producer i believe on ugly betty Track 2: she produced that cheetah movie like she's Track 2: married to tony parker still i think like these people Track 2: do not need this money like it's crazy you know it's like Track 2: why i don't get it so like it does kill Track 2: their aura it totally like makes it to where like i think there was like an Track 2: uber eats commercial with like adam driver pedro pascal or something like that Track 2: and it's like that that person you can't be a movie star after that you know Track 2: like timothy chalamet doing like a high fashion yeah that's fine i'll give it Track 2: a pass you know one man who's never been in a commercial yeah.

Track 3: You do like a cologne commercial or whatever you know yeah it's like all right.

Track 2: That's okay yeah but like one man who's never done a commercial robert pattinson Track 2: you know that's why he's the last true living movie star i think he's done like.

Track 3: Cologne ads like we said but yeah otherwise.

Track 2: Yeah like high fat if you're doing like you're doing the black Black and white.

Track 3: Like you're rolling around in a bed.

Track 2: That's fine.

Slow motion.

That's fine.

Yeah, that's cool.

If it's like high.

evan: If it's a cigarette ad, I think I could maybe give it a price.

Track 3: Or if you're Jim Varney doing Ernest, you're already in my book.

Track 3: I mean, a camel cigarette goes back to Ernest.

evan: Haynes underwear, like back when, like, you know.

Track 3: You need to be a celebrity from commercials if you're going to do it.

Track 3: You can't be a celebrity doing commercials.

evan: Yes, right.

Track 3: Ernest, you're famous.

Or we just don't do advertising.

That's the...

Track 3: the ideal outcome.

evan: What's so funny though is like so many ads now that people are getting are generally evan: on like your phone or a tablet or things like you don't even.

Track 2: Get like.

evan: You're not even necessarily even watching most of it so i guess the idea is evan: they will pay these celebrities enough they're like oh like paul rhodes in this evan: i guess i'll watch this ad or something i don't know this is just my theory yeah.

Track 3: And it's an it's it's like the commercial from when i was a kid so it's i remember this.

evan: Yeah i.

Track 3: Remember that type thing.

Track 2: It makes like um it makes Track 2: tv unwatchable i think there's like a direct tv commercial Track 2: and it's like paul giamatti and steve uscemi doing voiceover like they're pigeons Track 2: yeah it's like pigeons watching me cable yeah i'm like is that fucking paul Track 2: giamatti and steve like that's that's a bummer dude like that's yeah that's weird.

Track 3: That's so weird.

Track 2: Like but we talked I mean there's like plenty of filmmakers who talk about like Track 2: they can't they don't really have money if they live he takes a paycheck and Track 2: you're like that sucks you know like ah man but I don't get it I don't know Track 2: economically what is going on in Hollywood right now complete mystery to me absolutely yeah.

Track 3: I wouldn't imagine that David.

evan: Wayne is like you know she's probably doing alright but not.

Track 3: Yeah you know he uh he hasn't made a movie since that uh Netflix movie uh, Track 3: A stupid and futile gesture about like Doug Kinney from National Lampoon, Track 3: which we've talked about it on the show multiple times and I forget why.

Track 3: Maybe it has to do with like period movies being made now.

Track 3: And like, yeah, there's like, you know, you have like an inherent vice or like Track 3: the master or, you know, a well done period movie.

Track 3: And then you have like American Hustle and like things where it's like, Track 3: oh, they're wearing wigs, you know?

Track 2: Type thing yeah it kind of ties into like Track 2: this film because yeah like because like this Track 2: film it's a period piece but it's like it's still really well done Track 2: even though it's like a comedy uh and stuff but yeah Track 2: the the duck kinney film it's like yeah i don't know if Track 2: it's because it's shot digitally so it's like i always feel Track 2: like there will be this like weird uncanny thing of like digital film Track 2: looks better it's higher quality but it makes everything look worse because you Track 2: see how it actually looks there's not like that distorting layer whatever that Track 2: you get with like the organic uh process of film Track 2: but yeah the duck kinney movie like it it's so Track 2: off-putting like because we talk about american hustle it's like Track 2: it's a film that's a period piece but it's so much looks like modern day people Track 2: pretending and that's how that duck kinney feel that like david wayne movie Track 2: so it felt like yeah like it was like people like uh it was like modern comedians Track 2: like just doing dress up and pretending to be like the original snl people and it's like ugh.

Track 3: It's like in The Irishman when Jim Norton shows up as Don Rickles and it's like Track 3: that's Jim Norton it's like that.

Track 2: I tortured myself the other day by watching the SNL the Reitman Jason Reitman SNL film.

Track 3: Oh yes yes Saturday Night yeah.

Track 2: That's another in the genre of like it's just it's literally just like kids Track 2: pretending to be like oh hey look and some of them are actually pretty good Track 2: like the guy who plays Dan Ackroyd is pretty good obviously the guy from New Girl So, yeah, like, Track 2: the guy is Chevy, but, like, it's so clearly it's just, like, Track 2: TikTok, SNL, you know?

Track 3: Well, and with the We're Not American Summer, too, I think it's funny.

Track 3: Like, yeah, like, I saw the opening of this movie, the slow-mo of them at the bonfire.

Track 3: I was like, damn, like, this is 2001, and I was like, that wasn't that long Track 3: ago.

And this looks so good.

Track 3: Like, it just looks like a movie.

Like, yeah.

Track 2: They recreate it sort of they do like an updated version Track 2: at the beginning of the prequel uh first day Track 2: of camp or whatever and it's so like Track 2: it's kind of a bummer honestly seeing them side to side it's like i remember Track 2: someone showed like footage from the original matrix and then like from the Track 2: newest one and you're like oh like uh like them shot on film oh my god it looks Track 2: so fucking good and then the modern day matrix is just like it's like a fucking Track 2: commercial it's just you know this sucks It's just flat and small.

evan: What's crazy about the bonfire scene in this one is they had a hard time filming it because of the rain.

evan: They filmed that in the middle of the night.

Finally, it stopped raining.

evan: They are able to build the fire with wood they had to bring in because all the evan: wood was wet from all the rain.

It looks so good.

Track 3: Yeah, the camp director or whatever for the camp that they were using had to Track 3: build them a fire, I think.

evan: Oh, I don't know if I saw that.

Track 3: Work their magic.

but the camp also.

evan: Saw the film afterwards they didn't know they thought it was supposed to be evan: a family comedy and they were apparently.

Track 3: Horrified which i Track 3: think is pretty funny like the critical response to Track 3: this like uh was really bad because i and i Track 3: think one of the best bits is that they took this to sundance and Track 3: it screened it's at sundance it was one of the like 200 movies chosen or whatever Track 3: like i'm just imagining a sundance crowd watching this like what the fuck like Track 3: this like it just looks like porkies or whatever like meatballs yeah like but Track 3: it's like clearly like tongue-in-cheek and like esoteric in a weird way and.

Track 2: They didn't have like the thing of like oh all of these people are famous now you know it's like.

Track 3: Who are these people are these weird weird yeah isn't the guy from frazier yeah Track 3: yeah the guy from frazier's in this he got uh yeah.

Track 2: I was gonna i forgot i was wanting to look up how many emmys he had it by this Track 2: point because it's crazy like I.

Track 3: Don't like that.

Track 2: Show is fucking huge like Frasier is so it does feel like a pro I mean if anything Track 2: I feel like he's the guy that really gives this film credibility and Janine Garofalo I think.

Track 3: Whenever like a got an actor like that will do a movie like this i always like Track 3: gain so much respect for them i'm like for sure yeah they see the vision and Track 3: get it and he came back yeah same with bradley cooper he had three emmys three oh.

Track 2: That's see that's crazy like imagine being like yeah the guy on fraser who had Track 2: three emmys and you're like making this film with a bunch of like honestly nobodies you know.

Track 3: Yeah this guy hosted like snl and it's like this guy's had an mtv show that Track 3: was also not very popular yeah yeah.

evan: He also had a swell yeah he had he'd been nominated he was nominated every year evan: from 1994 to 2004 for fraser.

Track 3: Oh wow that's incredible and he won four of.

evan: Them three of them.

Track 3: Only won two tonys too uh after this but still i mean truly slumming it like you.

Track 2: Know like doing everyone a real.

Track 3: Like jeff daniels doing dumb and dumber like level yeah I mean, Track 3: but, but also like Jeff Daniels in double number, he comes through and he, Track 3: and he doesn't like pretend like he's like better than the movie.

So it makes him good.

Track 2: What I love is that like, cause they get Bradley Cooper back for the prequel, Track 2: but for the sequel, like it's too much, it's like too much screen time and they couldn't get him back.

Track 2: So Adam Scott, yeah.

And he's like, Oh, I got my, uh, my deviated septum.

Track 2: Everyone's like, Oh, everyone's like, you look way better now.

Track 3: Yeah, the whole joke is that he's not Bradley Cooper in the sequel one.

Track 3: Adam Scott fits right in with all of these people.

He's a perfect fit for these guys.

evan: Yeah, like in Step Brothers kind of style.

Track 2: Exactly yeah john um john ham's Track 2: in the prequel as well and he has some he has like a fight scene with Track 2: christopher maloney that's really like a sniper and he's Track 2: uh he's ronald reagan's assassin and it's so funny because i remember hearing Track 2: stories of like before he before madman like he was at like poker games with Track 2: doug benson and stuff he's another guy who like was slumming it with comedy Track 2: people or he was a big time dramatic actor but it is crazy to be like he.

Track 3: Still he still kind of is like i feel like he never really like after madmen Track 3: you know he's kind of like stuck.

Track 2: In a weird because he'll show up on doug doug benson and there's like a recent Track 2: episode of how did this get made where like it opens with somebody doing a theme Track 2: song and they're like oh that was john by the way yeah i feel he'll come.

Track 3: He'll show up on comedy bang bang at least once.

Track 2: A year i feel So like.

Track 3: I think, yeah, he used to play poker with like Scott Ackerman and all those Track 3: guys, Doug Benson and stuff.

Track 2: Yeah.

Track 3: He's just a hunk that happens to really like alt comedy.

Track 2: Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

He'll always get respect for me.

Because also, Track 2: I mean, Don Draper.

I mean.

Track 3: Yeah.

I'm just like him.

He's just like me.

Track 2: I know.

I mean.

evan: Yeah.

I like him on 30 Rock.

Track 3: Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

He's great on 30 Rock.

He's just playing like a himbo.

Yeah.

Track 3: Well, Wet Hot American Summer.

Did I have anything else?

evan: My colonel.

Track 3: Just scrolling through my notes.

Just like clute.

I do like the switching of Track 3: the jackets scene.

That's very funny.

evan: Oh, I was going to mention that one too.

And then my, actually the best part evan: of that is later when she pulls the flannel out of the tiny little box.

Track 3: Like a clown.

Yeah, it's like...

Track 3: and like uh oh yeah there's one camper we haven't Track 3: talked about it what is his name what's his name seth the the Track 3: guy that he looks like um what's his name uh oh the guy yeah he looks like i Track 3: forget what the that actor's name is but uh and the character too i'm forgetting Track 3: the character's name now too but he's like an alien like he's like it's like Track 3: there's like a magical spell or it's like yeah.

Track 2: He does like he conjures the wind or.

Track 3: Whatever i think like.

Track 2: Jj mentions that he's his brother like uh.

Track 3: Yeah he's in.

Track 2: A big bank mckinley's like your brother's weird.

Track 3: Oh big bang oh.

Track 2: Yeah he's the guy that i think they're doing i think they're doing like a spinoff Track 2: that was starring him or something on a kevin i believe.

Track 3: Okay yeah i.

Track 2: Saw a headline of that the other day.

Track 3: Hate to play among us with that guy am i right it is crazy that like they that.

Track 2: They got like um like a star is born bradley cooper you know to.

Track 3: Yeah have like a sexy with john peter that is one One of my favorite jeans with Track 3: all the sports equipment falling off the wall.

Track 3: And they're like putting their feet up higher up onto things, Track 3: like getting a leg up over there.

It's really good.

Track 2: Like in the VO, it's like it's JJ and Gary, I think.

Track 2: And they're like, they're like, we should get him a Debbie.

No, not that Debbie.

Track 2: Tall Debbie.

And they're just like four different Debbies that they run through.

Track 3: Dude, yeah.

Michael Ian Black is so funny.

that that's what makes it such a Track 3: bummer that he's he is the way he is in real life because like, Track 3: he's one of the best parts of stella like his just the way he says things and Track 3: like the way he can like be like so serious and like i don't know he he's he Track 3: cracks me up so it's a bummer that he, Track 3: really just is hanging it up with uh old maggie mccain yeah you know what are Track 3: you gonna do it was a big bummer ben domino's uh ex-wife they're not even married anymore did.

Track 2: He ever hang out you think he hung out with john.

Track 3: He helped him put his jacket on or whatever i bet.

evan: He did yeah.

Track 3: They did riffs let me get it sir i have got you they.

Track 2: Did riffs about iran or whatever.

Track 3: I was thinking about the nick mullen tweet of like daddy pick me up and it's Track 3: like uh vietnam on my shoulder.

Track 3: That's a mean tweet, but it's funny.

Track 2: Michael Ian Black was probably really mad about Trump when he said that he liked Track 2: his pilots who don't crash or whatever.

I like when my pilots don't crash.

Track 3: My war heroes don't crash.

Track 2: Probably made Michael Ian Black really mad, you know?

evan: Oh, man.

Yeah, but I think we got everything we can out of Wet Hot American evan: Summer.

And I'm going to...

Track 3: It's one of those movies where you just are like, this scene is pretty good.

Track 3: Like, literally every day.

This way to talk about it is like, Track 3: yeah, exactly.

Just like, remember this part?

Like, that's, yeah.

Track 3: It's up there with like, the Ocean's movies of just like, this scene is awesome.

Track 3: This scene is funny.

Like...

evan: Yeah, just like that too.

The cast is across the board, funny.

evan: There's no really weak links.

evan: Even the kids do good, everything about it.

evan: But yeah, I appreciate it.

Ryan Estee, thank you for coming on.

Track 2: Oh, thank you.

We appreciate it.

Track 3: You taste like a burger.

We don't like you anymore.

We're leaving.

evan: The name of the game is Snaps.

Track 3: Yes.

And we're going to play Snaps now for 10 more minutes.

But yeah, Track 3: thank you.

It was great to be back.

Track 2: Yeah, thank you.

evan: Of course.

And everyone should go check out Altmania and the Demi episodes.

Track 3: We're getting Demi-fied.

We're just about to hit Melvin and Howard, which is a big one.

Track 3: But hey, check out his other movies too before that.

Crazy Mama, Track 3: Citizens Band.

Those ones were some highlights for sure.

Track 2: The Cage Sheet episode, I think, is one of my favorites we've done so far in the demi-arc.

Track 3: Yeah.

Track 2: It was really good.

Track 3: I got a DM from two different people about that episode.

Track 2: Oh, really?

Track 3: Some good DMs, not bad ones.

Track 2: Oh, okay.

evan: Yeah, the one.

Track 2: I was wondering, yeah, no one, because I hadn't heard anything.

Track 2: It is weird when you make a podcast and you're like, does anyone hear that?

Track 3: Right, yeah.

It's just like, ah.

Track 2: I usually hear compliments secondhand through other people.

Track 3: Yeah, we have a, I guess we can plug stuff.

like we have a discord oh yes please Track 3: hang out there we have a patreon where we do two bonuses a month we just did Track 3: earnest goes to jail which is why we've been referencing earnest a lot in this Track 3: episode uh what are you talking about we just do it anyways but it's.

Track 2: A surprisingly like deep and thoughtful episode i.

Track 3: Think it's.

Track 2: Kind of serious but it is and it's not like a bad movie yeah that's about noel.com Track 2: that's right i put a bunch of my writing up there i've taken a pause to write some, Track 2: longer foreign stuff but I'm working on something I'm going to post soon but Track 2: I recently wrote something a couple weeks ago for the 50th anniversary of Nashville very good, Track 2: Yeah, thank you.

Thank you, Ryan.

Yeah, we love doing the podcast.

Track 2: And the Discord's been really active as well.

Track 2: Twitch.

Oh, yeah, we do Twitch streams every Thursday as well.

Track 3: We do, yeah.

We just did an episode with our friend Jake from Podcasting for Track 3: Me, who has been on this show, I believe.

evan: He has been on the show.

We did Halloween 3 and X2, X-Men, the first X-Men.

Track 3: Oh, hell yeah.

Track 2: It's great.

evan: Completely unrelated films.

I guess as are too.

Track 3: If you like him, on our Patreon, we put those up for free.

So you just have to follow us on Patreon.

Track 3: And we put all our VODs up there.

Track 3: And we watched Adventures in Hollywood, which is a 3-6 Mafia reality show that Track 3: lasted one season on MTV, I think.

Track 3: It was really good.

There's a guy named Computer on it that we took a really big liking to.

Track 2: I literally really that that's just the uh like that's like irl uh grislin.com.

Track 3: Like uh from 30 rock oh yeah don't you're so right damn i didn't even think Track 3: about it yeah from 30 rock i don't know if you watch the bear.

evan: But there's also a character named the computer on that too.

Track 3: There's a computer in the bear yeah just.

evan: A guy named.

Track 3: Computer he just like does lots of math in his head it's funny yeah i think Track 3: the whole thing in uh adventures in hollywood they call him computer because Track 3: like he uses the computer that's like he knows how to use the computer like he's.

Track 2: The one guy in the in the group who like knows how to set up an email account so they're like yo look.

Track 3: It's fucking computer computer over here damn yeah fuck it back he like printed Track 3: out a paper he's like check it out guys yeah but thank you i'm sorry yeah, Track 3: We love to yap.

We love to talk.

evan: Yeah, thanks for coming on.

And you've been listening to Left of the Projector, evan: and we will catch you next time.