We acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land we're recording on today.

Hello, and welcome back to Eat Sleep Repeat.

I'm Kelly McCarron, I'm Kiri Cels and we are back in your ears with another great episode.

And I can actually say that this week because I'm a charge today moaning.

Myrtle has got a big old moan, a big old being a bondish about location sharing.

I do, I do, I do, And it doesn't sound as boring as Kelly might think it does.

No, no, no, it was that when you first messaged me, she goes location sharing thoughts on topic and I was said, what on earth are you talking about?

What's the topic.

But then when we talked to the phone, I was like, ooh, juicy, I love after like.

Ten years of friendship, I feel like you should be able to understand my shorthand.

I really better given you always understand to mine so well.

So exactly, I'm like, yep, got it, got it, got it?

Okay.

First up today, before we get into our pick and Pitt, we have our toddler lolls, and I have one that I'm feeling I don't know, I'm feeling very shy about sharing, but I had to share it because it's what we do.

So I was showering through we all bungled into the shower and Charlie was helping.

I was just handing the children to him as we were finishing.

And I have not had a wax in six months since the baby's been born.

I got one just before I had her wags.

Yeah, yeah, yeahat wax.

I know it is retro.

I really really despise it.

But anyway, we move on.

Oh shave if I need to, but that's a different podcast altogether.

Anyway, I'm like drying myself off and Rue goes, mummy, why do you have spiders on your vagina?

I burst out laughing, and then I was just like, oh, Charlie, did you hear that?

And he was like pissing himself laughing.

I'm just like, fuck, Like you just can't get anything past kids, hey, like they would just comment on it on your thing that you're like maybe a little bit me I'm a little bit self conscious of.

And she just believe, Mum, why have you got spiders on your giant?

Surely Charlie has spiders on his vagina tail.

I mean, yeah he does.

But I guess I don't shower with her often anymore.

Oh, I haven't been naked in front of her as much as I used to be.

And she's just, I guess has now the language to be more inquisitive about my body than she ever has before.

Yeah, so never mind, just Medusa over here.

I guess, do you have a tod the lot this week?

I do so.

Two weeks ago, I was in Queensland, which I'm going to talk about more and peek and pitch.

I sometimes forget that Lenny has a lisp until other people laugh at something he said or comment on it, because you know, I just think of it into his little language.

Oh yeah, because my sister made me laugh about something he said recently, I've sort of been noticing it more.

And he was just the things he was saying when we were away with his little lisp.

Oh my, it was just so funny, like he was just so excited to be in a hotel room and then he'd run out and be like, Gish, what are you doing?

And when we're together he refers to us as Gish here, Gish, what are you doing?

And put my shock shun were my sleep poosh.

It's just so cute as really cute.

It's not even something I'm worried about because he's three.

I'm sure he will grow out of it.

I feel like none of them can pronounce their essays at this age.

U can't.

Yeah, but his is really goish todd.

This are just so weird.

There was also another day, so we stayed in this hotel for the second part of our trip, and I booked one with like the bedroom and then the living room separate.

And we get up and we walk out.

He'd taken all of his clothes off and he's just like lying in front of the TV like a king, eating his rice bubbles butt naked.

But why, I just feel like he's you, Like I can imagine you doing that.

Okay, here's me.

But he's just like such a little weirdo and it's just so funny.

Oh my god, I love him.

Yeah, Queen of Shit, ta can pitch?

Okay, I'm going to start this week.

So my pit this week is that I after six months and wanting to breastfeed so badly, I would like to now stop.

And ebrate good times.

Come on, well free then it.

We can't celebrate too soon because we have a bit of an issue.

We have started solids and look that is going well.

She's quite the eater.

It doesn't surprise me that little girl's hungry.

But we have been trying to for the best part of three weeks now integrate formula feeds into her diet just for top ups and things, because she's still not sleeping very well.

But that's a mo own for another day.

She is a logic to formula, so like, actually, yeah, so she doesn't want it.

Wherever the formula gets on her face, she like breaks out and hives and then afterwards she'll like vomit up any of the formula that she's had.

So of course, of course, of course this is what's happening the poor girl.

And I was getting that quite frustrated.

I'm like, why isn't she taking the bottle?

And like Charlie had mentioned this to me, like when I had been out one day and all of the milk I'd pumped was gone and we had the formula there, so he tried it and that she got red all over her face and I was like, I just didn't think.

I was like, oh, maybe it's the bottle, like duh.

And then as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh my god.

It was literally like yeah, wherever the formula was on her face, even her neck as well, the crazy welts.

Yeah.

So it's just a bit of a spanner because it's not even like I can wean, Like I can't wean right now.

I have to find an alternative because yeah, food is not her main source of.

Of course calories.

So it's just all coming to a head.

But yeah, I wasn't expecting that and kind of devastating for my mental health.

Not gonna lie.

I actually think that you need to book preemptively, book a point with a pediatrician.

Yeah, you could get prescription formula, yeah I know, yeah, and it's so much cheaper.

I gave her yogurt yesterday because I was like, okay, let's see if it's like a cow's milk protein in tolerance with the formula, and she was fine with Greek yogurt.

She didn't like the taste of it, but no hives, no vomiting, no vomiting, which I was like expecting because it's like the purest form of dairy.

So I don't really know what's going on.

Hopefully it's not a bu's key.

I feel like there's a fucking spanner in every single step that you try to take.

It's really annoying.

It's really killing my buzz of trying to be like a cool Come second time, mom, it's just like cool all moaning.

Myrtle wants is to have a bath with Harry Potter, and she can't exactly because things kept getting thrown around and put in the bath.

She's gonna.

Okay, that analogy wasn't very it wasn't great.

Let's move on that note something that is a little bit better my peak.

I went to the Sephora showcase this week, House of Sephori Yah you did.

It's like their little seasonal showcase that they put on where they show us all of their new launches.

So I was a bit nervous.

I have been invited to a few events since I've had Suki, and all the ones that I've RSVP'd for for one reason or another, I've had to cancel day of because I've had a shit sleep, one of us has been sick.

All of us have been sick, So I was kind of thinking that it was all going to go tits up this week.

But Suki was such a little superstar.

She napped on the way there.

I picked up Lucy, my bestie, on the way.

She kind of insisted, she was like, you need hands on deck.

She napped in the car on the way there, and then she was awake for the full kind of almost two hours that we were there, which was great, and she was just her sparkly little self.

So it ended up being like a really nice outing that afterwards, I left feeling like, Okay, I've got things under control a little bit.

You know, there aren't many days at the moment where I'm feeling like I'm nailing a lot of stuff.

But I got to get out, I got to feel like myself, I got to see people, I got to have conversations, and also I got to play with like lots of new beauty stuff.

So it was just just all around good day.

And then afterwards, she fell asleep on the car ride on the way home, and so I pulled into like our local park and I was able to like edit our eat Sleep repeat episode.

So it just ended up being a really great day for me in the way of like being productive, being able to work, but with my baby in tow, which honestly, nine times out of ten, it's a real hard task to work and have a baby.

So yeah, I was just feeling really happy about that day.

That is so nice thing.

Anyway, over to you, dull Pick and Pito is your pit Oh.

My pit is?

I have to tell you about potentially the worst SPA treatment I've ever had in my time.

And I want to preface this.

I'm aware that there are real problems.

In the world.

Okay, of course, not even just in the world.

I'm aware that there are real problems locally.

Yeah, this is such a moan and such a privileged moan, but I just need to tell you and vent about it because it really really upset me, just in a frustrating way.

So we were going to Queensland for five days to visit family.

Luke's families up in Queensland.

Lenny's got nine cousins up there.

It was also the two year anniversary of his father's death, so we sort of made it a thing with his brother and my sister in Lauren.

They're kids who live not far from us here that we were all going to go up, so we stayed.

We didn't realize they went up too.

Yeah, so we were all up there together, which is just so like but so it was a full on five days hanging out with people.

So I wanted to book one nice thing to make me feel like I was on holidays.

Yeah, and I was doing a bit of googling and I found this place in news like at a one awards Queensland's Best spa.

Oh okay, and I was like, oh my goodness.

And I looked at the photos and it just looked so beautiful.

And I asked my girlfriend.

She goes, oh, yeah, it's like everyone's favorite place up here.

It's just so good.

So I booked in for the Winter Package, which was a seventy five minute massage, forty five minute pedicure, and then a half an hour special head massage.

And a head massage is like my favorite thing in the.

Entire so I was like, the same, holy duly half an hour for hour.

Yeah, but so the whole thing went for a bit over two hours because then you know walking around in that sort of thing.

I was so excited.

So anyway, I arrived and I go down to the little hut thing because it was little individual huts that you get your massage in, and she's like giving me a speech how they don't offer firm massages because they want people to relax.

So she gave that speech to me, and I was saying, oh, fair enough.

I don't really understand because I relax perfectly fine when someone's putting pressure on me.

But I understand that they only offer medium pressure, okay.

But so she gave me that speech and I was like, yeah, yeah, fine, I've never paid that much for someone to moisturize my body before.

No, that's what it was.

I would be really angry about that.

She also didn't ask me at one point how the pressure was because at that point I thought, this isn't even light, Like you're literally just moisturizing me, and you're doing a lovely job at moisturizing me, but.

It's an extensive.

And also she was just using plain coconut oil.

There was no sensorial experience.

That it was expecting elevated spa treatment exactly.

Also, just like the music was really loud, it was it was something was ticking.

It was just annoying.

Isn't it funny?

Because if the massage is so shit, you like then start picking apart everything everything else.

That's the thing, because there's nothing to distract you.

So everything it's like.

A cascade of annoyances.

You're one hundred percent right, Like, if the massage is incredible, I would have actually relaxed and yeah, like you wouldn't have heard the nises exactly.

So anyway, I get up and I look at my phone and I'm like, what the fuck.

And it's not like I picked up my phone straight away as well.

And she'd also been fucking around with the towels for a while.

It had been sixty five minutes, not seventy five minutes.

So I was like, okay anyway, and then she's like, okay, so we're going to this different area to do your pedicure and head massage.

Okay, great.

So we go down there and I understand the vibe that they're going for because they're calling a Balinese spa.

But I've been to Bali many a time.

You know, some might say that I am at one with Bali.

I've had Balinese massages before.

That was not a Balinese massage.

It was just you moisturizing me.

So they get into this little room, but it was just a garden chair with a pillow what.

So I was then sitting in a garden chair to get my pedicure.

Like a plastic chair, no wicker.

Because then my back, even though you shouldn't actually help it at all, started hurting even more because I'm sitting in an awkward position in a gardening chair getting my toes painted, and I have to put up a photo.

Kelly, it's laughable, laughable, how bad this pedicure was.

Tell me you said something.

Anyways, I'm still sitting in my garden chair.

Then she moves on to the head massage.

But a head massage involves pressure on the head.

Yeah, but if you're pushing and putting pressure on my head, that's then pushing on my neck when I'm sitting upright.

So it was incredibly uncomfortable.

But she's putting pressure on my neck because she's trying to push my head down.

You're in the gardening chair, getting the hand steel in your.

Bloody gardening chair, getting this head massage.

No, and so combined as well, those two things should have been ninety minutes, as per what was advertised.

And then I looked at my phone at the end and it had been fifty minutes.

And then she said would you like a drink in the garden and I said yes, please, And she said you can have tea or sparkling, and I said sparkling.

I need something.

It's honestly, you know, the cheapest, nastiest sparkling.

And I'm sitting there just thinking I don't even know what to do.

And then I go to pay at someone else serving me and she just goes, how was everything?

And I just went ah, because I thought, you don't care.

And I was actually close to tears at that point, and I thought, I don't want to have an awkward conversation.

And someone goes and gets the manager.

I just could yeah, And I'm really disappointed in myself, but I just couldn't at that point, and I just didn't say anything.

I didn't say it was fine.

I just paid with my sunglasses on because I'm trying not to cry for the amount of money that I'm paying.

For this time that you've wasted and time.

And then I go out and I'm just sitting there when Luke picks me up and he's like, oh no.

He'd been telling me about like Lenny and his cousin had had so much fun and been swimming, and I'm like, so I missed out on seeing them have so much fun and spend time with everyone to spend an astronomical amount of money, more money than I've ever spent on a treatment, and it was that.

Yeah, that's not good.

So I emailed them when I got back, and I wanted to word it professionally, but also honestly it got me thinking about because so often I get to experience different things for work, and it kind of made me a bit upset because if I'm receiving something for work, then I'm getting the VIP treatment.

And I really hate the thought that then, because I thought, how on earth have they won all these awards and have so many great reviews.

Well, if they know that someone's coming into write a review about them, or someone works for this magazine or what not, of course they're going to be giving them the five star treatment.

But I all goodness as a customer, just a regular person, And then that's really upsetting that that's the treatment that a regular person receives.

And it just then made me upset thinking if someone's ever gotten a treatment at a place that I've recommended, Well, what if I was given the VIP treatment and then that person was given shit?

I don't know, it just sucks.

Just do a good job.

There is actually nothing worse when you book something nice for yourself and it ends up being just horrible because you don't go into that being like I'm going to walk out of this feeling worse than I do now, and the fact that you walk away and then you part with money as well, so much money.

I always say, any massage is better than no massage, but not if they're not even pushing at all.

No, no, not at all.

Oh dull, that sucks.

Anyway.

The peak was just like seeing Lenny's little face really sort of getting to know his cousin's a little bit more.

He's got so many up there, so him running around and playing Queensland is just so great.

I'm a huge fan.

I mean both you and I are huge fans.

Like the weather's better, everything's better except the spa treatments apparently.

And it was just really lovely.

I love that cal and you deserve a holiday.

You work a lot.

It was more of a break to get back to work though.

Really on this Sunday, Luke goes, Oh you annoyed with both of us.

I said, I'm sick to death of both of you.

Too much time.

I'll tell you that for free.

I'm just a person that needs a lot of time by myself.

And when you're holiday and you don't get that adult it's.

Also thought I'm parenting right, Like shout out to those who stay at home with your kids all the time.

Like when you get used to your routine of like they go to school, you pick them up.

When you have to have them all the time, you're kind of like, whoa, it's just a muscle that I have flexed in a while.

Yeah, And to think that I did it that first year while working full time with a kid, I'm like, what was I thinking?

I don't know how you did that because I'm currently doing it failing quite badly at it.

So I need to failing all in the state of mind, isn't it?

Because I felt like I was failing the whole time as well.

So yeah, yeah, anyway, we've been.

Rambling for quite some time.

Let's actually get into the meat of the episode.

Let's do it.

All right, Key, you are up today?

What is something you have been wanting to chat about?

So?

I feel like location sharing as a concept has just been coming up a lot lately, and I want to start off by asking you, cal do you share your location with anyone?

Yes?

I some of my friends have my location on their phones, but that is simply because I'm a liability when I go out sometimes.

Right, and do you share with Luke, Well, he doesn't have an iPhone.

Well I think you can still share even if you don't have an iPhone, But you don't.

You don't share it anyway, right.

I don't even know.

The only reason I even knew it was an option because my girlfriend turned it on one night before we started drinking, because she was like, yeah, so annoying, I'm turning your locations on.

I do think there are some cases where it's a good thing.

Right.

It's like I still have two of my girlfriends that I share with Britton Abbey, and that's from when we used to flat with each other and it's just kind of stayed there.

And it's funny because when I went into labor with Rue, Britt checked find my friends, so she kind of like in the mum's grip.

It's like, Hey, I think he's in labor.

She's in the hospital.

And I was like, oh, dying because it was so funny.

So sometimes I do share my maps with someone, so like say I was driving over to your house to pick you up and we had to leave by a certain time.

Like, rather than you be like, hey, how far away are you, I'll just like share my Google Maps trip progress with you so then you can track me and then you'll know when I'll be there.

And then obviously, like an uber ride, sometimes I will share my uber ride if it's like late at night, so that someone knows where I am.

But other than that, I kind of just like to be my own person and I do not share with Charlie.

It's never been something that we've done.

But what I've noticed recently is the number of people that do share their location with their significant other.

And don't get me wrong, like there's no judgment.

Maybe a little bit of judgment, but I just feel.

There's no judgment.

You wanted to talk about this topic, It's okay to have judgment because I'm going to be coming back from the other side, so you can judge away.

Yeah, I guess just for some reason when it comes to sharing with Charlie, I just feel really strongly about not doing it.

Okay, can you talk to me more about why is it even a thing and why do people because I totally understand it just from a purely logistical point of view.

That's the only reason why you would have it if you were like, oh my god, like where is this person?

Or if I actually could.

I don't know.

I've never needed it, and I didn't even know that you could.

But sometimes I'll be like, where are you working today?

It'd be quite handy actually if I could just check the map and see where's because he works all over Sydney, because that sort of just's what time he'll be home.

Like, I don't get why you have a problem with it.

When you're in a family with someone.

It's very logistical, and that is the big argument for it, right It's a practicality thing.

It's like good to know where your person is.

But I still have an issue with it.

And this is why I wanted to talk about it, because I had to kind of like deep dive on why I felt so strongly.

And it turns up that I'm like not the only person that isn't into it.

It's actually quite a divisive topic.

And recently I listened to a really great Modern Love podcast episode, So if you aren't familiar with Modern Love, it's a great essay column.

I guess that they run in the New York Times.

They turned it into a really successful Netflix show, which is really class It was really good, and now they've also doing it in podcasts.

So they'll choose an essay which informs kind of the topic of the episode, and they'll usually do a bit of a call out at the top of it to their listeners or their readers to get their feedback, and then they'll kind of jump into a deep dive with a guest or maybe the person that's written the essay.

So for this one, they put a call out and they asked for people to share their location sharing stories and as they put it, it was all over the map.

You were either a share or not a sharer.

And anecdotally with my girlfriends, it's the same.

It's really like strongly one way or the other.

And what I found fascinating was the rationaleist too, like why people said that they were sharing with their romantic partners because there is this idea of that it just makes sense or it's really practical.

But Charlie said something really interesting and he was like, you better give me credit for this in the podcast.

I was like, sure, thanks putting it in here.

So Charlie, there's a shout.

Out cited Charlie.

Charlie So he said that the whole sharing within a partnership or a romantic partnership, it's either related to deep insecurity or deep security to want to reassure someone that, hey, this is where I said I'm going to be, or that you just really do not give two fucks about your partner knowing where you are because you literally have absolutely nothing to hide.

And I really agreed with that sentiment.

I really thought he hit the nail on the head.

I don't think that both are okay though.

No, both are not okay.

Ones coming from a security that you're insecure about where your partner is red flag run.

Oh one hundred percent.

And I think that that's the thing though.

It's like become so acceptable that it can be wrapped up in this like easy breezy thing, But there are quite negative underlying things going on as well.

What I think is scary, though, is like the way in which sharing your location with your significant other is just nonchalant, like it's not a big deal.

And this article, another article I found in the New York Times forget the Instagram hard launch, Are you Location Sharing Official?

They likened it to it becoming a way to signal that your relationship is official, and they wrote much as users would give a partner pride of place in their MySpace top eight or change their status on Facebook to inner relationship or hard launch on Instagram.

And I just thought that that's so right, Like this thing that can be quite intrusive has become this kind of measure of I don't know how much you trust in quotation marks in your relationship, even if it's actually.

For the wrong reasons.

Yeah, exactly, exactly who cares.

If someone knows who you where you are, like someone that you know.

Obviously, I'm not going to just location share to the entire world, but like I could not care less who knows where I am.

Most people do think that cal and I tried to figure out, like why I was so against it, And it's not that I have anything to hide, But I think it's more that a lot of the thing I lack about my relationship with Charlie in comparison to my relationships that came before, is that there's mutual trust there.

Like I've never once been through his phone, he's never been through my phone.

I've never once had to question where he was or not believe anything that he was telling me, And I think that for me that trust is really sacred, and I think without that, I don't know, I wouldn't feel as confident in our relationship.

And this is me talking about my relationship, like I honestly don't have a problem with other people do it.

I just find it do you said you did at the stime?

Well, no, I don't have a problem with it.

I just find it really confusing, Like I don't know why you'd want to know.

I think that what it comes down to for me, it's like this is me talking from the position of being in a completely codependent relationship like Charlie and I love to do everything together, but I also do believe that we have the right to like exist in the world as separate people, and that we should be entitled to, like I don't know, have ownership over where we are at all times, and not feel that that information has to be shared with someone else.

I know what you mean, but I think that you've maybe read too much into this in your thinking too deeply about because I understand that some times it would with people that don't trust each other, but I don't look at it as a trusting versus not trusting thing or an invasion of privacy.

I look at it from a purely logistical point of view that it's just a really good handy tool to have so that you know if you need to know where your partner is, like if they can't.

Just send a message, or why can't you just wait until they get back to you?

Like why is it that when you're like, I want to know where they are right now?

Like why should you get to know?

Listen, you shouldn't.

It is entitled and it is not necessary, but it's I think it's part of our world's now where we need information right then and there.

And you're right, we don't need to know.

But if I did have location sharing turned on and I was like waiting for Luke to get home, of course, but he's not going to pick up if I call him a message if he's driving, you know, So why wouldn't I just check if I had access to it?

I know what you mean.

I just think that it's very weird if you're checking where your partner is in a weird way.

And I do understand that part of it.

It's just wild how we've gone from like landlines and making plans and sticking to those plans to tracking people.

It's just a weird, weird kind of difference in how technology, I guess has really shaped our relationships, and I find it fascinating, I think, above anything else.

But do you want to hear my insane contradiction on the subject.

Well, I feel like you've contradicted yourself already because you're like, it's a terrible idea.

But I get it.

Yeah, but you can understand but not agree, right.

Do you know what the funny thing is?

I have absolutely no problem with anyone in my life knowing where I am if I had location services turned on at all times.

But I don't even want my sister looking at my phone.

Well, I get that because you've got lots of conversations with other people within the phone, so I totally get that.

It's mainly just I don't want people looking through like the selfie, the notes app.

Oh this, the notes app, Oh my god, the notes app.

It's diabolically embarrassing when you're shooting spawn and there's so much content of yourself, like you just don't want anyone to ever find it.

It's so embarrassing.

Maybe I've been a little bit deep in my feelings and I've written a little note about how I'm feeling emotionally like that makes me cringe, Like, do not open my notes up?

Ever?

Yeah, it's just so embarrassed, fel filled half written emails to people that you're never going to send, just shopping lists that make no sense, just the notes app on a girl's phone are a truly wild place to.

Be, a wild city.

Gear Well.

The reason why I thought this topic kind of related to the pod and would have been interesting to talk about is because the contradiction that I have is that I will one thousand percent be tracking the girls, and I have no problem with that at all, at least until they're eighteen.

They don't deserve privacy till they're eighteen.

But I think the difference with our kids is that, and why I feel like with the kids, I'll do it, but whereas Charlie and I will never do it, is because we're adults and they're not.

You know, they're going to make terrible decisions and I'd like to be somewhat privy to that.

Yeah, but my parents, like Charlie's parents, didn't have access to his whereabouts in your grandparents probably I don't know.

I'm just thinking of a traditional grandparents stereotype.

My grandparents had a tax machine, no.

And that's the thing.

They didn't have access to this type of technology.

So on one hand, I think it's really intrusive, and on the other hand, I think it's like a necessity.

So it's just funny how it can even change with the different relationships that you're using it with, even with like elderly parents.

Like a lot of those people on the Model of podcast were saying, like, my mum is, you know, getting to a certain age now, and she gets lost sometimes and it's really helpful because I can literally talk her how to walk home from wherever she is.

The other interesting thing that's popped up and has been melting away while I've been thinking about this has been this update that Instagram announced in the last couple weeks, basically saying that the new location sharing feature they were going to launch.

So it's really similar to Snapchat.

I don't know if you've heard about it or snap I should say they dropped the chat that Instagram will now have a map that basically is a live feed of the exact location of your friends and creators that you might be following and like where they're sharing their content from, so wherever they are when they open the app, that would then be shared with anyone that they follow.

So they've only and.

Now obviously turned that off.

Yeah, they said it's opt in and it's only rolling out in the US at the moment.

They didn't announce any dates for anywhere else.

But there was a bit of outrage pure.

Earth would opt into that, Like, yes, every single person in the entire world can see where I am at this very moment.

If you're a celebrity, people would just turn up at the coffee shop you were at.

That'd be oh well.

That was the thing.

Everyone was really outraged by it because even though they said it was opten first, the reason why I saw that this was happening was because all of these real had been posted of people who hadn't opted in, and they had their location had been sharing, and they were like explaining how to turn it off, and I was like, how can I allow that to happen?

You know?

So Instagram came out and said, oh that no one's location should be shared without them knowing.

But they did say this as well, which I thought was really interesting in something that I hadn't thought about was that they advised that for parents with supervisions set up for their children, that they'll receive a notification when your teen start sharing their location.

And this was a fear that it had been unlocked that I had never considered that.

Basically, they were saying, that's the opportunity for them parents to have important conversations about how to safely share with friends.

And I hadn't even thought about the fact that the girls will go on to share their location with their friends, because it is a real big generational thing.

Like when you're saying, Kelly, like who on earth would want to share their location at all times?

Snap is kind of like the chosen app at least of my pieces age.

Yeah, and they share their location all the time.

So I feel or you're at the park without me dog.

Yeah, Well, I feel like it's a really big issue because what it is is it's like instilling it from a young age that location sharing is just what you do.

And there's been all these studies done recently from the e Safety Commission here in Australia.

It was done last year I think, and they linked location sharing to a higher risk of tech based coerceive control, and I just think that as adults us using this kind of technology, it's fine, right.

I don't agree with it, but I understand why people from a practically point of view.

But when we're normalizing it for our children and they use it with their friends, I just feel like it's another tool for when they get into different relationships, whether that be like romantic or even just friendships, where knowing their location then becomes kind of this control thing within that relationship, and it just feels icky to me.

It feels icky to me.

It feels like a bit of a slippery slow I don't know.

Well, do you know what.

Luckily, we probably won't have to worry about that for a very long time because the social media rules are coming into play.

Oh that's so true.

That is really true.

So the kids won't be able to use Snapchat or they'll be limited.

Of course, kids will still find a way around different things, but they won't be able to just be like, oh, me and my friend's location sharing on snap because they legally won't be able to use snap.

And what's the age is it?

Like sixteen?

It's sixteen, so okay, yeah, And by the time they're sixteen, Hopefully they'll have their head screwed on straight by then.

I actually disagree, though, because I totally am all for those age restrictions around social media apps.

But I do think that it's not going to necessarily solve the problem because a lot of these relationships, like the first types of relationships you have, that's around sixteen seventeen, and it's still going to be a topic of conversation.

I had a boyfriend when I was five, if we're being technical, his name is Trent.

Anyway, I just thought it was an interesting thing to look at, dissect and think about because I've only ever thought about it being weird as between spouses, and now I've unlocked a whole fear about how it's going to be another weird thing that the girls are going to have to navigate within their friendships and romantic relationships when they're growing up because it's so normalized.

All right, So we want to know do you think it's okay?

I want to know how many of the shit is share their location with their partner?

Yeah, and if it's because I don't think it matters, But do you anxiously track where your partner is?

I want to know someone that uses it probably for the wrong reasons because from where I'm sitting, not from the wrong reasons from their perspective, but because they understand it's a little bit toxic, because I don't understand why you would ever check the app unless you were a bit concerned about their whereabouts or wondering what time they were coming home and they hadn't responded, So are you checking a lot?

And for that reason, if you're just using it to find out where they are, how long they'll be or whatnot.

I don't see a problem with it, but I want to hear from someone you can send it to us synonymously like yeah, put honestly, Yeah, I just want to know, or does someone use it for you that you're not really comfortable with?

Yeah.

It also just kills the element of surprise, Like if I thought about when Charlie.

How often do you think people are actually do you think they have the app open?

Checking people?

People do though, This is what I'm saying.

Also, if you want to track your partner but they won't turn on locations sharing, just put like a air tags, just put it on their person, hide it in their bag or something that'll do the trick.

I think it could also be illegal, is it.

I think so tracking someone without their knowledge, I think that's like stalking.

You could just say you didn't know.

Asking forgiveness is easier than permission.

Bro Okay, next up, we have recommendations.

Okay, So off the back of the House of Sephora event that I went to, I went back in to try this product.

I had to leave to give Sukia feed and I actually went back in to try this product specifically for the mums, the parents, those people that wash their hands a little bit too much and have tired, tired hands and cuticles.

It's the OPI's Skincare, So it's the first time that they've launched skincare and it's for specifically your hands and feet.

And I tried the serum and the overnight balm, and guys, it is amazing.

I put it on at like midday and by five pm or six pm that night, I look down at my hands and I had washed my hands a bunch because I'm changing nappies all the time.

I'm also just a clean freak.

The kids have had conjunct dividis, I've had conjunctivitis lately, so I'm just like, very aware of anything I could touch that could have any kind of poop particle.

I'm washing my hands, and my nails looked infinitely better just after one application.

So I'm recommending those for your tired winter hands that might need a little bit of a juge.

And you can get that from Sophora.

Oh my goodness, I want to try that.

Okay.

So I've got a recommendation that is a audio book.

So it's only an audio book, okay, so audible if you didn't know, it's an online it's like an extension of Amazon.

I think, kind of like Kindle, but for audio books.

So I've had an account for gosh, years and years and years.

I absolutely love it for when I just don't have time to physically read.

Yeah, anyway, they often have free books that you can only listen to on audio and there's no physical copy anywhere, so authors generally will do a book deal with them.

Amazon I guess to then be like, oh, we're just going to release a short story or whatnot.

This isn't a short story, it's not a long story.

It's seven hours.

So I'd say that's probably like in the middle a Christian white and summer droche book.

It's called Unfollowed.

Listen it is trash in the best possible way.

I'm going to read you the synopsis please.

It was so good I smashed through it in like two sessions to their followers influence.

A couple, Jess and Nick Brooks are beyond aspirational.

Their proof that you can have it all.

They can dance, and cook and surf, and somehow they're still madly in love despite juggling two young boys, Oliver and Archie.

When a brand deal lands the family a free trip in idyllic Balinese luxury resort, their dream holiday becomes a nightmare when Archie goes missing from the kids club.

Oh As the hunt for Archie begins, the loving and wholesome family that the Brooks present to their millions of followers starts to unravel who is behind the disappearance.

Is it Elta, that overworked local nanny at the kids club, Is it the mysterious girl who's befriended Oliver beside the pool?

Or is this the work of the sinister online troll in Jess's dms?

And what happens when the Brooks virtual selves fracture completely from their real world personas White Lotus meets the Beach in this thrilling mystery from the author's bubblah and when I tell you that like just trashy.

Beach read so good but also devastating, and explores so many different topics about the impact that social media can have on our kids and the reality of what a free brand trip actually is for an influencer.

It's so good, Like I just loved it, but it was such an easy book to digest and listen to.

So even if you don't listen to books regularly but you love to listen to podcasts, it's great.

I love that record because obviously, like in recent times, we've been seeing kind of like the fall of these in very popular like yeah, family creators and influencers, So I think it's very like on trend, that's the right thing to say, like yeah.

Curvy, but really good.

Yeah love that Ques and also anything.

That's set in a holiday destination.

Instantly I'm like, yes, I don't know, I just really like it.

So yeah, that's it.

We've really rambled today, so apologies we have.

Indeed, hopefully you liked it.

Though this podcast was produced by.

Us, I'm sure our glorious producer Mattie Juanna is going to make us sound very cohesive.

Oh that's right, Well, thank you for giving the little plug to Mats and we'll listen to you.

We'll listen to you.

We'll see you next week.

Shit is bye bye