This week on the season finale of Hot Couple Chronicles.

We finally have a platform where we don't have to be censored and no one can tell us what to say or what to do.

This is our show.

Whatever happens, it's ours.

This has never really made us any money, ever.

We make scraps for a couple of codes that sometimes people use and stuff.

And the effort that we've done for the last four years.

I post at least, I post multiple times a day every single day for four years and make content and do a podcast.

Literally for the community and for...

It's all a love project.

It's definitely a passion project.

It's a love thing.

It's a heart thing.

You know how many people have seen our videos and have walked up to us and told us that we've changed their entire lives?

Yeah.

We're on the brink of...

separating or divorce because we wouldn't talk to each other but we wanted the same thing and had no idea because we didn't even know where to begin and we saw a video of yours and it sparked a conversation welcome to hot couple chronicles a podcast exploring the singing lifestyle our discussions may contain explicit content and adult themes intended for mature audiences while we strive to offer valuable insights and entertainment please be aware that the views expressed are based on personal experiences and opinions We encourage listeners to approach the content with an open mind and to prioritize communication, consent and respect in their relationships.

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i'm russ and i'm ashley and this is hot couple chronicles welcome back welcome thanks for coming back yeah i'm still surprised people want to listen to us talk and blabber on sit in our bed and ramble hang out and ramble but we appreciate you for doing it happy home day it's our favorite day is it not wednesday but we do love a good home we do touche I like to see all the booties on social media.

Yeah.

This week, this has been a story that we've told a million times and also we haven't told anyone a little bit about the things that we're going to talk about.

This is going to be all about Swing Talk and social media and how in the heck we got here, why we have a podcast, how we ended up.

Yeah, how we got here.

today we've touched on it before but we'll go more in depth and we've told these stories and told it a million times where we started where we are and how we want to continue where the future is going and somewhere behind the scenes and our views and our opinions on the whole thing it should be a good one i know a lot of people have been wanting to hear more about this so Here it is.

We finally have a platform where we don't have to be censored and no one can tell us what to say or what to do.

And yeah, this is our show.

So whatever happens, it's ours.

Yes.

Yeah.

Stay tuned.

Where to begin?

This is about four years ago.

And as soon as we got excited and realized there was a community, we went to the club and it turns out there was.

all sorts of people on social media we're like we could find swingers on social media that's there's a whole space for people on social media i'll just and it was my idea i'm not gonna lie it was all his idea and he is the reason i'm here and you see my face every day but it was my idea the video itself was my idea he was doing uh well no the first video was i didn't even count that one because that one was whatever but that one really was the first they got i don't really count though 350.

but it really wasn't a real video it was just pictures like a slideshow so lame and stupid whatever but the real video that made us go viral he was opening the amazon package for a flag because it was you know christmas was over we needed a new flag for outside garden yeah and i was on to hill on amazon and it said walk home it was just a right side up pineapple Nothing too crazy because we weren't ready to be like out there out there.

Yeah, but little sign little subtle, you know, yeah you And so he was opening it up and I was just like no wait, hold on I want to film you taking off the other one with our name on it and then putting the pineapple one Yeah on and it was so stupid Like, nasty sweatpants and my ratty shoes.

Like, mowing sneakers.

Yeah.

Like, a hoodie or something.

Yeah, like a gray, like, shirt.

Like, I was not ready.

I was not camera ready.

And the grass was dead.

Everything was brown because it was January.

Yeah, it was not aesthetically pleasing.

Plus, he had to pick.

It was so pixelated because he didn't want our last name on social media.

But we didn't know how to do any of the fancy stuff because we'd never done such a media before.

Frame by frame on my phone was blurring out the name as it flew through the air.

And every time it renders, it's just the quality goes down and down.

It was so bad.

And by the time I got done with it, it was like a 1997 video.

So bad.

I'm not proud of it.

you know that was the one that that did it that's the one that caught everybody's attention and that's the one that i really credit for us being who we are and what we are and everything and so i do i love it and it means a lot and i still don't have the original video because we ended up losing that account and that was before i knew about snap tick or snap talk and all the things to copy your videos and so i didn't know that so i lost all of the early videos and we really didn't understand the hatred on social media and the fact that you could just lose your accounts and yeah all the videos you've ever seen so we never even because we weren't putting anything like super risque or sexy on yeah on social media so We never thought twice that we were going to lose that account.

We didn't realize that we'd be reported, mass reported constantly.

And you had to censor every little thing we say or do because we're swingers.

And they hate us out there for some.

Still don't understand.

Yeah, don't understand it.

But we're trying to change that.

That's why we're here.

And then.

Yeah, that video got like 7 million views or whatever.

That video is the reason why our whole family and all of our friends and everyone we've ever met knows that we're swingers pretty much.

That's when Swing Talk.

was a thing at that point kind of trending and which was most of the reason why we put the video on there is because we discovered swing talk and there was a whole community of people we didn't know anyone in it but we knew there was younger people on social media that were doing videos we didn't know who they were what they were doing yeah we just saw them as we were scrolling yeah and i resisted tick tock like i didn't really yeah we never really think twice that it was going to do anything this these videos no like it never thought it was just something fun like 20 other swingers and then we when that video blew up and everybody found out our knee -jerk reaction was to run away and hide But at that point, everybody already knew.

So we pushed into it like we do.

We're not good at lying.

We're definitely not good at lying.

No, we're not.

I'm the worst liar.

You're like the most open book you'll ever meet, unfortunately.

But fortunately.

But, yeah, we can't.

So, I mean, everybody already knew.

So we just leaned into it.

And started making videos.

Then, yeah, we started just.

tik toks i guess they're not real videos we got excited you know it was neil it was like you're starting to learn how to make videos how to create stuff starting to play around with different playing around with the app and getting on the trends and all the things that are going on for covet and the dances and all the things that were good to talk was huge back then yeah well because every video we put up it was 20 000 views within the first 20 minutes those first what Let's say six months on social media.

That was really easy to get.

Hundreds of thousands of views.

No problem.

Barely had to try.

If a video got below 20, they're like, oh, that one flopped.

Yeah.

Yeah.

20 ,000 was like, oh man, that stinks.

Yeah.

Like that was shadow banned for sure.

Yeah.

Which is insane.

That's how we learned.

We're like, oh, we only got 15 ,000 views.

Like shadow banned.

Now we know what really shadow banned means.

My entire account.

All the time.

Every day.

But in this timeframe.

Our account was getting lots of followers.

And we hit over the 10K mark within a couple weeks.

And then it blew up.

Within the first month, month and a half, we had 20 ,000, 30 ,000 followers on that first account.

We only had maybe a handful of videos.

We weren't posting like I do now.

It was very sporadic whenever I felt like it.

It wasn't really that official yet.

That's when we started going live a little bit more, like TikTok lives.

And that's how we got introduced to some other people on social media.

Yeah, they would pop in and say hi.

Interact and hi.

And that's really when we started meeting all these other swinger.

influencer tiktokers what you want to call them and they're all like our age and a lot of them are in our area and we hadn't really other than trapeze haven't done anything lifestyle we hadn't done anything else being that it was different in a way that a lot of people were in the southeast and we knew mutual friends like we knew a lot of mutual people And so like we kind of connected in that way.

A lot of them went to the same club.

And so we had all really known, yeah, had the same friends, known the same people.

Yeah.

We just hadn't met in person yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we'd go back and forth.

They'd comment on our stuff and then we'd be watching their stuff and like and comment.

You just get to know people on social media.

I met some of our best friends and closest friends on social media.

Oh yeah.

Very thankful for TikTok.

Oh, absolutely.

But that's when.

Dan from Swing Nation reached out to me.

Well, he reached out to us on the account and said, hey, here's my number.

Give me a call or text me.

I'm trying to build this community.

And we want to change the negative stigma.

And we need an army to change the laws and go to Congress and this and that.

And I ever talked to him for a few days.

We kind of, you know, bounced it around, didn't really take it too serious.

And then we decided.

I kept putting it off.

We finally decided, okay, we can.

It's kind of weird a little bit.

We'll just become influencers with the Swinger Society.

Yeah.

Text with them and talk to them.

Yeah.

And we became influencers.

And then.

It was a very small group of people.

It was a very tiny handful of people.

At that time, it was pretty brand new Swinger Society.

Yeah, I think when we became influencers on the Discord server, it was less than 10 ,000 people on there.

It was very small.

It was very small.

And Discord was because we kept getting banned on social media and all of us kept losing our accounts.

It was a good hub for all of our followers and us to have all of our...

sites on there and all of our videos on there and a place for us to share without being censored because discord you can pretty much do whatever you want you can do whatever you want it's a private server so you can put whatever you want on there and there was a we met some good some really good people on there yeah on like off the discord server and so we did that and then finally in the march late march of that year For Dallas' birthday.

Yep.

We finally met a big group of influencers.

Was it all influencers at the time?

It could have been.

I don't remember.

Dan and Lacey weren't there.

Well, they were.

They gave trophies, but they didn't.

Well, and at this time, we had kick messages and Snapchats.

Yeah, we were very close.

We were texting.

We were texting daily in groups and everything like that.

And so we made.

a group that was going to dallas's birthday party yeah they all had airbnb and we were staying in all in either hotels or airbnbs and stuff and we connected with a couple from illinois actually ironically enough and they were coming they drove all the way down here for it and we stayed at a hotel next to theirs hung out with them we had never met anybody but they had yeah so they were like Such a good group of people.

You're going to have so much fun.

This is, it's okay.

Cause I was so nervous because we realized like, all these people are like social media.

Yeah.

They're on social media.

They're like, have like, they've been doing this for a second and they, turns out they had only met each other like once before that too, but we didn't realize how early on we had jumped in there.

Yeah.

We thought they were all like the best of friends, but everybody was really pretty.

Social media based like friendships and stuff.

And it just felt like.

they're so close and but we mean we were talking all of the time definitely looked we felt when we went into it of that were the outsiders going into it we still feel and we still feel that way like they're outsiders and trying to get into the cool kid club looking for a fresh way to connect in the lifestyle welcome to the playground a modern space where open -minded adults meet explore and create unforgettable connections built for the lifestyle community the playground is where curiosity meets connection ready to join the fun click the link below and start your adventure with the playground today but like she was like oh no it's gonna be great it's gonna be fine come on let's do this so she took us to the airbnb to meet everybody and it was fun we did a bunch of tiktoks and then dj life of spice that was before he dj dj'd that was when he just fiddled around with the yeah he had his stuff in the living room of this airbnb yeah so i said i've watched you since the very very beginning and i'm so proud of how far he's come because we used to have him dj all of our little house parties and yeah it's good memories yeah good times and say everybody there was this was when like only fans was really starting to so they took sexy pictures everybody was all about the only fans that was when they're all hyped up about that and that's when i didn't even want to be i didn't i was in like one of the pictures with just lingerie but i was in the very back when you could just see my head poking out and i refused to show my boobs I'm just now really starting to actually be there for those pictures and still in the back, still trying to hide.

But yeah.

And then we went to that birthday party.

It was insane.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a lot.

The birthday party is the reason why we're so close to the Reconference.

So close to the Reconference.

Yeah.

Because.

Saved her life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was.

Saved them.

There was a whole thing that was going on and.

So they are into the BDSM.

And they have a dynamic.

And he felt disrespected.

And it was a thing.

And I said, okay, hold on.

This is our forte.

And Dallas still brings it up.

She's like, I still remember when you said, you're at it.

eight i need you down at a six and she still credits him for saving them and her and yeah it was intense it was but we it happened so easily just because we all felt like we knew each other because we had talked daily all of the time it does we when you're live together you see we saw each other every day even if we didn't talk every day we saw each other's faces every day yeah you do feel like you're close and that's why we sometimes we accidentally offend people nowadays because they feel like they know us yeah yeah and and we might interact with them on social media but we don't necessarily know your face yet or know you as a person as a handle or like a nickname and so sometimes we hurt some feelings because we don't know exactly who they are yeah but at this time the group was so small yeah it was a very tiny little corner and on tiktok land and we saw each other daily we comment on everybody's videos daily we were kicked every day somebody was going alive and we were in there and we had kicked messages and snapchat yeah and then that video oh and then the next and then we went to six flags that's where i got this shirt actually ironically yeah put it on and i was like this is actually the shirt that we got the day after we went with A whole bunch of people in the Swinger Society.

Yeah.

Our tight crew, we went, and that was so much fun.

We were all hungover, all just completely exhausted, and we went so slowly.

Through Six Flags.

It was chilly.

It was pretty cold.

Yeah, it was March at Six Flags.

So the crowds, like the lines were short.

There was no one there at all.

We just could ride when we felt.

It was actually a perfect day.

Yeah, it was so good.

We could ride whenever we wanted, whenever we wanted.

Some of us would just go shopping.

Other ones were going on things together.

And it was a really good crew.

And we walked around with our Swinger Society flag, took pictures, and it was a good vanilla chill.

adult day at six five yeah we need to do that again we just talked about that too oh yeah we did we're like yeah it was so good we need to do that we need to do that yeah yeah but that's where it kind of started really began and then from then on we were seeing each other monthly at least if not two yeah three times a month well that night of trap dan and lacy said they weren't going to come And then they ended up showing up like last minute.

Last minute, I believe Lacey talked Dan into making the drive.

And that was the first time we actually met Dan and Lacey in person.

Like after all the texting and messages, that was the first time we saw them face to face.

And it was, we had fun that night, but they, everybody that night, I remember this, I'm still.

it was a proud daddy moment for me to you was everybody was so shy because they felt like and so there if you've ever been at trapeze there's a dance floor and then there's a couple stairs there's like a back that no one ever sits in room with like chairs and stuff and everybody was hanging out every single person was sitting back there just not even talking to each other, just sitting there.

And I was so hyped up for so long.

And I was so excited to meet all of these like professional swingers, which I thought at the time they were professional swingers.

And I was so bummed because I thought we would be dancing.

I thought it'd be like.

sex i thought it'd be like something because at this point we're at trapeze every couple it was at home i felt very safe there i felt really at home and what i do at trapeze is dance that's that's my place to dance and we were out there and no one was dancing no one was flirting no one was doing literally anything at all yeah i was so upset and so i ran around the room and was like get the fuck up I was like, we're going to be fucking swingers.

Let's be fucking swingers.

And I was just hyping everybody walking around the room.

And you got everybody out on the dance floor.

I pulled everyone out and I kickstarted the entire party.

And I was pretty proud of myself because everyone's being really weird and shy and awkward.

And I was like, we're fucking swingers.

What are you doing sitting down?

Everyone, stand up.

Stand up.

I'll make everyone stand.

You got bossy all of a sudden.

Yeah, I don't know.

I was feeling some sort of way.

But it worked.

Everybody got on the dance floor.

Because I was so excited.

And everyone was just sitting.

That kind of really started the night, honestly.

Yeah, it started the spankings.

Everybody started giving Dallas spankings for her birthday.

And everybody started getting on the dance floor, which brought everyone else on the dance floor and started the night.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I forgot about that.

It was a good night.

I don't know what got into me that night, but I'm glad I did.

But then that night ended and we went, you know, Six Flags.

Had a great time at Six Flags.

And then the next time we saw anybody in the group was the mansion party.

And shortly after that trapeze, we got a text message from Dan.

It said, hey, I'm renting a mansion.

I'm trying to find 10 couples.

this is how much it is and we're all going to be content creators because at this point you had only fans you just weren't really used to it yeah i'll still on the fence it's like we can make content and then we're going to have a party with just us at the house i'm gonna go party and then the saturday night we'll all go to trapeze and it's going to be great we're like all right let's go we're so down So we gave him the money, and then we showed up to this wish mansion off of wish .com.

Yeah.

We thought it was a mansion, but we didn't know any details about it.

And so we got there, and it was the guest home to a mansion.

Yeah.

And we had just a guest house.

It was a big house.

It had lots of room.

We were sharing rooms with strangers.

Yeah, we ended up having to pick rooms.

We were like one of the last ones there.

So it was either a room with a bunch of strangers or a room with just one couple.

And we had the bed and they had the bunk bed.

Yeah, it was like, yeah.

And we had never met these people before.

And it was in the basement and we had no electricity.

Yeah, there was no electricity in this room.

There was no light.

It was bad.

We ended up plugging our ring light and then turning it on for light.

Yeah, that was our only light.

No electricity.

And then all the furniture was breaking.

broke a bed we broke like there we broke a bunch yeah yeah not on purpose no like it was literally just sitting on things it didn't really break like they just wasn't put together really well it was and so on the bed this wooden slats would just slide out and the mattress just falls under the floor like yeah their bed was like this it was so bad but that was the first time we actually spent like time time with a lot of these people and that was the first time honestly we kind of felt a certain sort of way because we felt left out i guess they it ended up turning into a big content orgy and i was definitely on the fence about it yeah and we ended up sitting outside with a couple guys that were there yeah and just hanging out talking yeah like we had fun but like it really started we realized how much focus was on only fans i knew people had only fans i knew that was a thing i knew we liked showing off i knew we liked being sexy we're in lingerie taking pictures but i didn't realize how much like the whole weekend was supposed to be about only fans i guess i was really surprised by that we were i guess i with this group i guess we're too honest Because we said that, oh, OnlyFans is fun, but we don't make content the first time with other people.

The first time we swap with other people, it's not for content.

No, we don't schedule sex ever.

It's just not a thing we've ever done.

And that's just how we do it.

And that's how we still do it, honestly.

Yeah, still do.

And that kind of changed, I think, everything.

yeah i think they kind of changed our dynamic with everyone and stuff and they realized that we were not we're there for a good time and spending time with people and not to make money yeah we were really excited to be with our friends and be included in our friend weekend with our friends and i knew we were taking pictures and it'd be sexy and it'd be fun and stuff like that would be lingerie and i knew there'd be some playing and stuff but i didn't realize it was going to be content orgy During the day, people had scheduled times to just make content.

They were like, we have this room from this time to this time.

Yeah, it was very, very, very content focused, which we didn't realize going into it.

It was going to be like that.

We knew if something happens, if we film it.

and that's i mean that's always been kind of how we've done content and only fans but nothing on our pages ever scheduled or collab we've never done a collab with anyone everything has been organically you want to bring the camera out in the moment and very you know low quality yeah because it is like fly on the wall yeah just put up because we want to show off in front of the camera and so record it for our memories mostly in that weekend we had a lot of intimate like fun friend moments as people yeah and we got close to a few couples that and it like it was a good weekend overall it was just kind of everything kind of shifted a little bit we started to realize everybody's Hey there, listeners.

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And then we continued traveling the country with them.

We really became close.

We wanted to go all over the country and change the world.

We wanted to go make.

as many friends as we possibly could and bring them to the discord so we could all as an army make big changes and do big things and find as many of us as we possibly could the more the better and that was like our purpose for the first year we traveled to country with them and we i mean every month at least once a month if not twice a month we would be together yeah from then on for the first year year and a half we spent traveling we went to naughty new orleans we spent Pretty much every minute together.

Every available weekend we had.

Stayed up till 4 a .m.

talking about life and death and all the things in between.

And got really close to people.

And we went to Dallas with them.

Drove like 15 hours and went to Dallas.

And we spent the weekend there.

the whole weekend with them.

We went to, where else did we go to?

Red Room.

Yeah, Red Room in Nashville, Pigeon Forge.

Yeah, Pigeon Forge we did with Eye Candy.

We did Secrets twice.

Yeah, plus Trapeze in between.

And Trapeze in between.

Yeah.

And we were getting together all of the time just to hang out and we would meet places and hang out with people and got really close.

You can't help but get really close when you...

We went to Splash with them, too.

Yeah, there's been some.

I forget.

We literally, that first.

We went hard that first year.

Spring and summer, we were at least once a month going somewhere.

Nonstop, yeah.

To an event.

To an event.

At least once a month.

Yeah.

And it was, I mean, every few weeks we were.

And it was all with the same people.

Yeah.

And we got close.

Yeah.

Yeah, we thought we were close.

We've always been fighting since the very beginning to just be accepted and just to be included.

Not even accepted, just included.

Yeah, that's a good...

We're always put on the back burner.

There's a lot of people within that group that don't even know our handle.

They have not even bothered to know what our handle is and what our screen names are and what our...

t -shirts say and what our podcast is we have a lot of people that consider us still new and still less than we're treated less than and that's the problem and the social media unfortunately and businesses involved and people starting their own businesses and stuff it somewhere along the lines turned into a competition that's not the type of people we are not at all and people don't like that No.

We're going to tell you how we feel.

Yeah.

It's a curse and a blessing.

Yeah.

We're going to tell you how we feel.

And when people talk to us in confidence, it stays with us.

It stays with us.

And there's always been, you're only allowed to know so many things and be told so many things because it's this fear of us always going and telling people things, I think, that holds a big part of it.

is that this fear that we're going to go out and because in the past there's been there's been people that swing talk unfortunately people go and do crazy things and go off and make up stories or they go and elaborate stories or they go tell these stories and these intimate details about stuff and I understand you know being cautious but like four years and traveling and having close relationships with people yeah And still never letting you in ever.

Well, I think the worst part for me personally is we thought we were close.

That's right.

That's right.

And then once you realize it was.

And then when you we weren't making all the content and stuff like that, we realized, oh, so we weren't actually.

we're not friends like or just acquaintances like we just are on social media at the same time because i thought we had good moments and we're really close i thought we were really really close i'm like birthdays holidays any events that are happening always have still tried to reach out and yeah keep in touch and try to like connect and stuff and at some point a wall went up and i don't know if it was because we Stay friends with other people that I think that has a lot to do with it I think that we are not gonna not be friends with someone just because you have a bad experience with those people I will keep that in mind and I will be cautious of that but I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt and I really try to include everyone and I really if they've never done anything to me I have no reason to not be friends with them.

Yeah, and I honestly do want to be friends with everyone and It's one of my you know, my problems that I have I think yeah, but I don't Really, I don't hate people or don't dislike people just because someone else doesn't like them.

Especially when I don't think that the reason that they're not friends or it has nothing to do with me.

It has nothing to do with us.

It's more of a personal thing.

I think there's always a fear of just slandering and talking about stuff when there's nothing that ever really happened.

It's never like nothing happened.

Yeah.

It was just a wall that was put up.

Yeah.

And it was out of their fear.

Yeah.

And they had been burned.

Yeah.

And I completely get that.

And I understand that.

But we showed nothing but love and support.

And we have continuously been there and showed up and worked my ass off.

I've worked my ass off every day for the past four years for a mission and for a community.

for something that I thought that we were all in it for.

And especially the past year, that community that we worked hard with all these other people to build has been put on the back burner.

Yeah, and then for the last year, it's been pretty much no communication.

No.

Nothing at all.

I think especially we're in the same space.

it's especially now because before a couple of our friends are the only ones with podcasts yeah they were the lifestyle podcasts and we want to podcast because we wanted a space where we aren't censored where we can talk and where we can open and it just became more of again this competition and this numbers game and money unfortunately money really tainted all of it I think that really was where it all went wrong.

Um, this has never really made us any money ever.

We make like scraps for a couple of codes that we sometimes people use and stuff.

And the effort that we've done for the last four years, I post at least I post multiple times a day.

every single day for four years and make content and do a podcast and literally for the community and for it's all a love project it's definitely a passion project it's a love thing it's a heart thing and we are just on two totally different it's okay that's okay we have two totally different but i just i guess for this last especially a few months have just realized that we just are on different paths and we're just not on the same i thought that we were in this for the same reason and we're not and that's okay and there's no hard feelings i'm not mad at anybody and that's what but i've taken a step back obviously it's very i mean apparent and i at this point it's hurting more than you more than it's helping and well at this point it's i'm torn because of i'm still holding on to what we used to have i know it was so good and beautiful yeah and i want and it'll never be like that again i know it'll never be like that again and i don't know it's just so i mean whoever unfortunately it was anyone on social media and anyone that wanted to be an influencer a host and it was whoever gets the most views Yeah, it turned into a competition.

Whoever has potential to make the best TikToks.

And whoever has the potential to make the best OnlyFans content.

TikTok is fun.

And the videos are cute.

And the OnlyFans is hot.

And it's, you know, fun.

to take pictures of myself when I feel myself.

I just wish more people would own what it is that they are doing and their mission and what their passion is within the space.

And ours is to end the stigma and to get rid of all of the myths and misconceptions and lies about it and show people that we are normal, regular, everyday.

people with kids and regular lives 99 % of the time yeah and we like to have fun together the rare times that we get away and our kids are getting older and we're having more space and more freedom and we can take trips together and we can have time together and well we realize that and the kind of reason social media is so powerful is there's such a stigma behind it The only way people are going to get over it and it to be more normalized is exposure to it.

Yeah.

The more they see it.

We see all the hate comments and everything we get every day.

Every day.

But the more people are exposed to the normalcy of the lifestyle.

Yeah.

That's why I most like my content is really just this is not true.

This is a lie.

This is the stuff you think, but here's what it really is and educate them a little bit.

We're not trying to recruit swingers, which is a big, I get all the time.

We're just trying to make it.

Don't tell them about the lifestyle.

We don't want them here and stuff.

But you know how many people have seen our videos and have walked up to us and told us that we've changed their entire lives.

Yeah.

That we had no idea and now they're...

This is exactly what we wanted and this has changed everything.

It has enhanced our marriage, our life.

Our communication.

Everything.

And I'm happy for the first time in 30 years, 20 years.

We have never been this happy.

Yeah.

We're on the brink of...

separating or divorce because we wouldn't talk to each other but we wanted the same thing and had no idea because we didn't even know where to begin and we saw a video of yours and it sparked a conversation and anytime that i feel like giving up and the 20th account gets shut down and we're starting from scratch all over again and mondays and tuesdays and wednesdays when we have the new content and every single day of our life that we have to come up with new stories and new ideas and everything that is what i always think of in the back of my head it's just how many people are out there i see how the universe puts those people right in front of us at the most opportune times yeah like it's we'd be like on the fence like you know like this is a lot of work is it worth it we just people just hate us no one wants to see it i'm ready to we're losing accounts left and right like we're on the brink of it just not doing it and then we'll get an experience or an email or meet someone at an event that just reinvigorates why we do it like we just have to be reminded sometimes and it's crazy how the yeah i usually here lately i've been getting it while we're all together with our friends at like events and stuff like at the club when i was crying that was a big moment of like this is why this these people are why this is what i'm this is my whole mission and then like at the glow party i had to really i broke down and Just looking around at the amount of people that were there and like 60 % of them are brand new, have never been to any event ever.

And that's insane.

And so many people that are still out there that have no idea this exists and they have no clue that this whole community of people and it's full of, we've searched our whole entire lives for people like this.

Yeah.

We have talked about this since we were in our early twenties.

been dreaming and fantasizing and wishing for a group of people in a community that could understand us could love us that just gets it yeah and now we have so many people that just get it and we've said that a million times we just want people in our life that get it yeah understand what it's like to be in love that's that's what we've always said we just want people on our level yeah to understand what life is about and what you want out of life and being in love with your spouse and it being a good thing because unfortunately we've always been outcasted because we liked each other because we'd rather be together than go to a bar or hang out with other men and women alone or whatever it's not my idea of a good night when i'm with a whole bunch of guys all they do is complain about their spouses yeah yeah or partners and not having sex or joking around that oh it's almost my birthday time for a blow job yeah my annual blow job like wait a minute like we just never could relate or connect to people like we have do you guys have sex like i'm sorry can't relate and i actually want to go home and hang out on the couch and watch tv with my husband like what you don't want to go to the club the bar the whatever nah like we've always been outcasted for that even when we go places like for an event a lifestyle event we have always have that moment like before we get ready like i could nap we could just stay here and just hang out in the hotel room and watch netflix and yeah we've always been pretty content with we don't have to go being together and everyone always talks shit about us and we never could find couples that got it and now we can find couples to do that together with and it has changed our entire life just being yeah the conversations that you get into in this lifestyle with other people are so deep and meaningful and there's no masks up you can just be yourself and yeah if you know you know yeah it's just good it's good you have just i don't know i love you guys I love this lifestyle more than I can even explain.

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You know, I'm kind of reevaluating the people that I'm surrounding myself with and the content that I'm making and our podcast and our mission and our purpose and our message and what we stand for.

And so, you know, we're going to be cutting ties with a lot of people that just it just does not align with what our mission is and what our purpose is.

And that's OK.

And there's no hard feelings.

It's lessons learned.

And we're grateful for all of those relationships.

And those experiences we've shared.

We will forever support everyone.

I have always supported, done nothing, but support everyone.

But I've not felt supported very, very much.

I've never really had anyone cheering me on quite as loud as I cheer on a lot of people.

and he's there too but he's there for like like the podcast you finally get to see him but for the most part you haven't seen him for about a year so he's really been career focused and not kind of been in the back burner and maybe three tiktoks this past year with him in it it's been me yeah because i used to have been my own tiktoks and this and that and i hate saying me but content me content social media and talking about that it is me everything you see is me I wake up every morning with what can I make next?

What can I do?

How can I touch people?

It's hard.

Because I've not had a voice very much, even though it's been me every day talking.

I've had to keep up.

I feel like it's constant competition.

It's a constant numbers game.

It's a constant algorithm that I'm having to fight.

A computer.

It's the constant hate that I get all day.

Every day.

I never feel good enough.

I never feel like I belong.

And we're re -evaluating a lot of stuff this year.

And 2025 is our year.

We are that hot couple in GA.

That's what we are.

We are lifestyle hosts.

We love supporting our friends.

That's literally what we've done since day one.

We have hosted for everyone.

We have had affiliate codes.

We've made no money doing it.

We don't need money doing it.

I just want everyone to thrive.

I just want everyone to also find their people and find the couples that they touch and change lives.

I want to change lives.

I think if we all do it together, we could change the world.

We could change laws.

There's no reason.

Yeah, but we're not going to do that if we continue this path.

And we just keep on being like silenced and pushed aside and have to put ourselves in this little box and be scared to say what we feel and what we want to say.

Yeah.

And a lot of it's hurting our mission and we're reevaluating the things that we associate ourself with, the people that we associate ourself with.

I got no hard feelings.

It's not, I just don't, it's not a competition.

It's a collaboration.

And I know it sounds so cheesy and cliche and everything, but that's what we've believed.

And I've never strayed from that.

And I still will continue to be there if anyone needs me.

But we're just on a different path than a lot of people.

Yeah.

And we...

are our own thing and we've never owned what we are at all yeah no we've always been like the like the i don't know how to put it we're never the main attraction when we we're always the last thought like oh yeah maybe we should say something to ashley and ross about it oh yeah maybe we should include them or oh yeah someone mentioned that we should probably tell you I don't understand why we have to keep on fighting for this.

I think what's her source is we were that at one point.

That's how it used to be.

Now I'm like, can I please be included in one picture per year?

And then I'm always in the back trying to fight my way to get half of my face shown.

And I don't know why.

I don't know.

I don't know what I did.

I don't know what I did because there has been people that have done nothing but do bad things and say bad things and talked bad and didn't go in with it with good intentions that have been held up so high.

Like, no one takes me seriously.

Yeah.

No one considers me.

I'm never included.

I just want to be, like, feel validated that we also matter.

i'd like to even be considered yeah and i hate saying me again i hate saying me and i because i know it's the hot couple in ga and it's ashley and ross but what we're talking about in the social media aspect and the videos and the pictures is me thing but specifically i feel like i am left out yeah for one reason and i constantly being told i'm the nicest person you'll ever meet i'm so sweet i've never heard nothing but good things that i'm very proud of yeah but yeah why wouldn't you want me to be there then it just doesn't make sense and i don't know what i did and no one's ever had conversation with me it's feels much very much like when i was in middle school like in high school middle school And everyone's talking about somebody every time you are around.

So you can only imagine what they're talking about.

Yeah.

Behind your back.

Yeah.

And I've experienced that over and over and over.

That's why we pull away from those situations.

Because if you're talking bad about this person.

And your friends' friends.

And your friends.

Supposedly friends.

No.

I'm not going to hang around you as much.

I don't want to associate with anybody.

Like, sorry.

But then there's this years and.

love and friendship that you think you have.

And so it's deeper than just not.

And it goes really deep.

And unfortunately it's a lot harder than just not because also we're in the same circle, the same space.

We have our business and we are going to the same, we have the same friends.

We have the same circles, same events.

We have the same clubs that we go to.

We have the same one.

So you're always going to have to be, around it and just suck it up and it's getting harder and harder and that's not what I want.

No.

And I don't know how that's going to change.

I don't know if it's ever going to change.

I don't know if there's a way to change it.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I really don't know what's going to happen.

But what makes it worse is we can't have a conversation with them in private.

Yeah.

There's avoidance.

And a lot of them just...

Cut you off.

Yeah.

For no reason.

It's just an avoidance.

And when you do end up running into them, it's high.

It's very fake.

It's very surface level.

It's very.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know.

And it's never an opportunity.

You just sit down.

And there's a way to do it.

Mm -hmm.

But we shall see, I guess.

Yeah.

But it's all right.

It's getting better.

It is.

Everything's getting better.

It is.

This is going to be our year, baby.

This is it.

2025.

This is our year.

But, yeah.

So, that was a lot.

That was a lot.

That was so much.

That was a lot on our chest that we've had sitting there for a very long time.

We finally have a voice and say what we want to say.

I just want to end it on, I know the people are going to hear this and I just want to say that I still love them.

Nothing but love.

And even though we feel a certain way.

It's out of love.

It's out of love.

And that's why it hurts so bad.

It's out of love.

It's all about love.

And I don't have any hate towards these people.

No.

Or resentment or anything like that.

It's just like you've already said, we're on different paths at this point.

And we're just adjusting.

And our priorities are different than they once were.

And we've experienced different groups and the way things work in other spaces and stuff.

And we prefer that.

And that's where we fit in more.

And our mission is aligned with them.

And it's not a bad thing.

It's just we align with this group better or that group better or this event better.

We just are reevaluating.

changing a little bit as we go and we're still learning and we don't know what we're doing here we still are new here yeah we don't know we're just we're just a baby we're still trying to figure out what to do and what this is all going to mean and what it's going to be we it you know it shouldn't i'll say what i say to everyone that asks why and what it is and no one ever should have to lose their children or their houses or their jobs because you are doing something in private with other consenting adults should never happen and that is always number one on my mission and in my heart and that is the whole reason that sums it up and we're gonna make it that way yeah and it's it's a long hard fight and you have to be patient with us but we want to change the world we want to change laws we want to change hearts and we want to change people's brains and we want to just let people know we're here because there's a lot of us we're not going anywhere we're only getting bigger and we're only getting stronger and there's so many more of us than you even know out there and most all of us are hiding out of fear we have to because of fear and hatred and stigma and we want to make that not not anymore we just want to change that we just want to not do that anymore we want less of that and so that's been our purpose since day one and it will continue to be our purpose and you can count on us and we want all the friends all to love we just it's all love it's all out of love everything is love and on that note it's not that serious don't make it weird bye we love you