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But he's not in the Lexton studio.

He's not at KS Bar and Grill.

He's actually at Kentucky Basketball Media Day where KSR is going to be broadcasting from later on today, but the pre show is getting a head start there.

Good morning, Billy, how are you.

Good morning Shannon.

I hope you had a good weekend.

Yes, out and about on a Monday here at the gymnasium floor at Memorial Coliseum, and I will say this is my first time being in here since the renovations.

Dude, it is beautiful here and also the cool touch of the boards from the old bleacher up here above the garage doors.

It is a really cool spot here.

My first time here, and glad to be with you, dude.

How was your weekend?

It was good?

I felt like that you're talking a little quieter, like, are you just you don't want to project too much?

Are you?

Are you afraid you're gonna be too loud and wake up Mark Pope?

Well, Mark Pope probably gets up at four o'clock in the morning.

You're not gonna wake anybody up around there.

You could, you could talk normal?

Yeah, that's true.

I've sometimes been told I sound like a sing songy old radio DJ sometimes when I start these shows.

So we're just we're talking at a normal level.

I'm also still dragging a little bit from our one Am NFL podcast record that we did.

But yeah, I always enjoy that.

Mario is is next to me walking around right now.

Good to have Mario here with me as well.

So where are you, dude?

I guess you just you had to stay back and run all the shows.

That's right.

Yeah, I'm in the Louisville studio.

So what is the plan out there?

Gmbilly?

Let me ask you for KSR today are we gonna be able to talk to Mark Pope later on KSR or what's what's the plan?

Yeah, Unfortunately, none of the men's basketball players or coaches are available to interview before noon, so I don't think we're gonna have anybody on the show actually, Shannon.

But you know KSR is at its best when they are out and about and amongst the people, and this will allow Matt and Drew and everybody to just go right to media day after the show, So I think it'll work out for a lot of us.

I'm here to just make sure everything keeps running.

I've threaded the Ethernet cable through the bleachers, Shannon, so we're connected and hopefully we stay connected.

Well, you mentioned media day for Kentucky basketball.

No media really for Mark Stoops today, because Kentucky's got a bye week coming up next week again, and he won't be doing his coaches show.

I understand he won't be speaking to the media, so we won't be hearing anything from Mark Stoops other than what we heard from over the weekend.

And look, there are rumors swirling going around everywhere.

I mean, I've been reading rumors pretty much all day yesterday and look, I think they're probably just that.

But you know, you've probably heard some of the rumors.

We'll get into that in just a minute, but first let's talk about Kentucky and Georgia.

They at least thirty five to fourteen.

Another game where I just felt like Kentucky never really was that competitive.

Never was there a point where I thought that Kentucky was a real threat to win the game.

And they just could not defensively get off the field on third down.

Those plays that just kept extending the drives, And after a while, that becomes demoralize into your defense.

Well, you don't have the confidence of your with you know, in your offense.

So you pair that defensively, not being able to get off the field on third down, you pair that with your offense.

You know that if you don't, they're not going to score more than fourteen points.

If your defense gives up more than fourteen points, you feel like you're probably gonna lose the game.

I felt like that was a big issue as well, defensively, not being able to get off the field.

And then I'll tell you though, I was a little surprised to see Cutter Bowley play as well as he did.

I mean, he didn't play great, but he played pretty well.

He threw the ball forty one times.

He he held his own in passing yards through for two hundred and twenty five, did throw one interception, but also had a couple of touchdowns.

I mean, if we're trying to find a bright spot, I think Cutter Bowley Billy is showing at least a little bit of improvement.

I think that was his best game we've seen so far.

Yeah, definitely his best performance as a cat, no doubt.

What two passing touchdowns two hundred and twenty five yards in eleven SEC games.

That's the first time a bush Hamden offense has thrown two passing touchdowns.

So that's great, Shannon.

We know we're making progress at least there.

But look, I mean, that guy is clearly the future of Kentucky football.

So to see him progress like that is the optimism I'm finding from this weekend channing, because there was plenty of negativity.

The postgame show had plenty of that as well.

Cutter Bully got frustrated at one point in the middle of the game, and I felt like he felt like a lot of the fan.

Base did he and talking about when he was trying to get to the line of scrimmage real quick and snapped the ball before they could review the play.

Yeah, before they could review the play.

They ended up having to stop it.

He got visibly frustrated.

As he should.

I meant, the rest of the offense felt like they were just lollygagging up to the offensive line, and you see Cutter Bowley clearly.

I mean, I would think he would communicate that with those guys, Hey, we need to get up here and quickly get the snap off so we can keep the ball.

Turns out the call was overturned, Georgia ends up with the ball.

But yeah, you're right, Cutter Bowley was the only one showing any kind of urgency, it felt like in that moment, Billy, and it.

Was just uncharacteristic of Kentucky football to see, you know, the defense struggle the way that they did the first two drives of the game.

Twelve plays seventy five yards, thirteen plays ninety six yards.

That's just not been Mark Stoops football over the years, and so that's got to get cleaned up.

As much as we've talked about the offense and the struggles and all these rumors about who's going to be calling plays.

You've got to have an identity, and your identity these past twelve or thirteen years is based upon being a disciplined football team that doesn't commit penalties and plays good defense.

Channon, and we have just not seen a lot of that in the last few years with Stoops.

I just I don't know if he's acting like himself anymore.

And you know, I try to relate to the because I'm sure he can be defensive when everybody is calling for his job.

But at the same time, Shannon, people have been saying quotes online, what is it the you either live long enough to be a hero or see yourself become the villain?

And I think there's a little bit of that.

And Mark Stoops just because he's been at Kentucky so long.

Yeah, I mean, let's just address the rumors.

There's so many things floating around out there that I've been reading, and I don't know, like if any of them are true at all, because you read these reports from a lot of them anonymous people on social media, and I don't trust them, But I mean, I think it's worth at least acknowledging some of the things that are being talked about.

We also have radio hosts that are getting on the air and saying that Mark Stoops was approached Barnhart and asked for his buyout.

There's talk that Barnhart and Stoops will be meeting this week to discuss what's next.

There's talk that Bush Hampden won't be here by the end of the week.

I mean, Billy, I don't know what to believe.

I don't know that, like I said, that there's any truth to any of this.

But if you believe Mark Stoops in his postgame press conference, he said there's zero chance I'm walking away, and he said he wanted to stop talking about it.

He's tired of being asked about it.

Zero chance that he's walking away.

First of all, Billy, do you believe that there's any truth to any of these rumors?

And secondly, do you believe Mark Stoops when he says there's zero chance he's walking away?

Well, the timing is interesting in all this, right because kashrr had done some reporting last year where there were some conversations about possible buyouts and then it wasn't met.

So just a radio host saying it on a Friday before a game versus Georgia just kind of exploded at that point.

Other rumors.

You know, anybody can have a platform online and just throw something out there, Shannon.

And when you don't talk, other people fill the void, right, And that was probably one of the issues with the off season was they didn't want to make a headline.

They didn't get people invested into the team, maybe as much as they should have, until it was right before the season started.

And so you're gonna ge a lot of opinions naturally.

I think it was the right move for John Hale or whoever it was, to ask that question to Stoops.

But also, what do you expect Mark Stoops to say, Like, is he going to say, yeah, I want to get the hell out of here, Shannon.

I mean, that's just.

I think that if there was any truth to it, I think he would just say I'm not going to address that right now, next question.

Because you see coaches do that a lot, they sort of deflect.

Mark Stoops didn't deflect.

I mean he was very I felt like, straightforward and saying there's zero percent chance I'm walking away.

Well, you know, we find ourselves in an interesting predicament because there's an article in the New York Times slash of the Athletic talking about Mark Stoops's buyout, the buyout having to be paid within sixty days of his termination of his contract.

That puts Kentucky in an odd spot, Shann because you know, where are you going to get that money?

When do you make a move in college football when it's so important to have a coach in place before you hit the transfer portal?

Right, I mean these are all just questions that we should not be having after what week five or week six the college football season.

I mean, we should be going into this by week filled with optimism that they can reset and go on a run for the last half of the season and even but now it's like, are they gonna win an SEC game this year?

And maybe one of your best bets is Texas?

Who arch Manning looks terrible.

I mean they just lost to Florida.

They look bad.

My bad on the parlay pick, but the parlay was already screwed by the time it got to that game.

Anyway, that it was a rough week for the parlay.

That's okay, We're already in the money, right, We've already hit two, so we're good there.

Postgame tone has shifted from you know, anger or really just like realization of what is ahead to something has to be done.

I think nine out of ten people, if not ten out of ten, people were calling for Bush to not to be the play caller anymore, for Stoops to move on that the program hasn't been the same since the pony upcomments, and I, you know, I agree.

I think Stoops is somebody that would always be revealing to the media and hasn't been in recent years.

But I told Matt before the show, the postgame show started changing, it feels like we're in Groundhog Day, like the stuff with Cal and how that situation unfolded.

It just feels eagerly similar.

And I feel bad for this fan base.

I feel bad for the fans that are paying more money for season tickets for less home games.

They're having to pay more money to go to these tailgate spots that have been reduced over the years.

You know, I feel bad for the fan base because you know, apathy is more than setting in at this point, dude.

Yeah, And you know, like in Caliperi's situation, when you lose and end your season with a loss to Saint Peter's and then you lose to Oakland and in your season that way, it kind of felt definitive when you lose, like I have a really bad loss to end the season.

But in football it's a little bit different.

Like, Okay, fans have been calling for Mark Stoop's job for a while now, but it seems like it got louder after you know, to your point there on the postgame show, maybe it has gotten a little bit louder after the Georgia game.

But what did you think was gonna happen in the Georgia game?

Did you think that Kentucky was gonna come out and actually play with Georgia?

I didn't.

So if you had that expectation that Kentucky was going to get blown out, why are you now even louder about Mark Stoop's job.

I mean, basically, what happened Saturday is exactly what I thought was going to happen.

There's truth in that.

But you also want to hope that this team can compete.

They can, you know, That's why you play every Saturday or any given Sunday.

There's always a chance.

I mean Kentucky, which possibly should have won that game versus Georgia last year, I know that was at home.

They had to call back a pick six for that to not happen.

But they were in that game.

It's not like it's Georgia of old.

I think they were very beata ble at time.

I mean, they just lost to Alabama, right so.

I think Obama's a very good team.

I mean, let's not look, let's not try to compare Kentucky football to Bama football and Georgia football.

No, no, I'm just saying that they are in the same conference.

And sure, you know Bobby Petrino's Arkansas team is ahead of Kentucky when it comes to most SEC powering things.

Right now, that's unacceptable, not it's unacceptable, And you're thirteen of a coach to have the same issues every single year.

The middle eight, And I mean, how many years have we talked about middle eight?

Terrible end of the first half, they fumble their first drive in the third quarter, they get zero points out of those those couple drives right there before and after halftime.

That you know, you think, you hope that these things would get cleaned up.

We just have not seen it.

And so now you you start this back half of this college football season and you have to wonder where the program's going.

Well, yeah, and I wonder And we'll get into this a little bit later on though.

You know, with March, with Big Blue Madness coming up, do you think that this is where Kentucky fans completely just turn the page on football and just look ahead to basketball.

I mean that that's this Saturday during a bye week.

I wonder if fans are just going to be completely all in on basketball starting next weekend and we'll talk about it eight five, nine two eight twenty two eighty seven.

I also don't know, Billy, what is a catch in college football?

I don't understand it.

We had that one play.

Was it Ferrier who caught that Rodriguez?

Yeah, it may have been, But anyway, regardless of who it was, there was a catch.

The player Rodriguez goes down, he goes down out of bounds, but he's got the ball in his hands two feet down and they call that an incomplete pass.

And if you watch the game, you know what I'm talking about.

But I don't understand how that is not a catch.

Like, what do you have to do in college football for something to be considered a catch?

Do you have to hold the ball for two or three seconds and then flip the ball back to the referee for it to be a complete catch.

I don't understand it anymore.

I really don't understand the completion rules in college football when it comes to catching a ball and being called a complete pass.

Well, I'll be honest, Shannon, I think the referees have a hard time deciding what a catch is and isn't a lot of times.

I mean, not even in college football, but the NFL as well.

I mean there's part of you having to survive the ground.

You got to get one foot in college two in the NFL, you know, And then to a point, it's like, what's the people in New York gonna tell us?

Right?

Like, even in the NFL, some of these refs don't even make calls.

They just make it so the people in the booth can make those calls for them so they get protected.

That was an egregious miss in the Kentucky game.

So I'm with you there, dude.

But if you find the answer, let us know.

I mean, let the people know, because you would make a lot of money probably defining what an actual catches.

And if you find the answer to what's wrong with this football team, let us.

I think we know what's wrong if you have if you have a solution that doesn't involve firing our entire coaching staff eight five to nine and two oh twenty two eighty seven.

He is Billy rerut Ledge.

I'm Shanning the Dude.

We'll come right back and take your phone calls on the ksrpre Show.

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One person writes in and says, why would Stoops walk away?

Why not just wait it out, collect the money and be happy.

Do you know what I mean?

That's kind of the way I think about it.

Like, if I'm Mark Stoops thirty eight million dollars, I'm going to stick it out.

Like you know, it's not crazy to think that he would flirt with other teams and think about going elsewhere.

I mean, we've seen it before, right, His name was mentioned with I think the Florida State job a while back, right, Texas A and M recently.

So I mean it's not crazy to think that, you know, some of these rumors could have a shred of truth.

But if you're Mark Stoops, he's got it made.

He's at Kentucky.

Expectations are a lot lower here than that they are in other programs.

And I don't know why he wouldn't just ride it out and collect his thirty eight million dollars.

I think he'd be crazy.

Are you ruining your legacy at some point?

I mean it was a shoe in to build a statue for the guy multi two to ten wins seasons.

You hold me for a and m at the time.

Hold on, do you think that Mark Stoops cares about a statue more than thirty eight million dollars?

Billy?

If you told me right now, See if you tell me, Billy, Hey, Shannon the dude, they're going to build you a statue out there, right right out in front of krogerfil You can have your very own statue, or we can give you thirty eight million dollars.

You could stick that statue, or the sun don't shine.

I don't care about the statue.

Give me the thirty eight million dollars.

So look, maybe I'm different, and there's maybe a reason I'm not a college football coach, But Billy, you telling me I can have a statue and have a great legacy, or I can have my thirty eight million dollars and ride it out into the sunset.

I'm taking the thirty eight million.

I'm not going anywhere.

Yeah, And I love you, Shannon, But you're money motivated, and I can't say everybody in this world.

Is a lot of people think about what their people think of them after they're gone.

And let me tell you that statue is gonna last a lot longer than the thirty eight million dollars that you're gonna get that with me.

Well, that's again, that's why I love you, Shannon.

I know which decision you're gonna make with me.

Look, clearly he's money motivated too, He's the one that signed the contract.

Yeah, but these guys don't play, don't I go into the coaching profession because they're waiting for that thirty eight million dollar payday thirty forty years or.

You know, you don't think so.

I mean, that's the pinnacle of the sport.

If you get lucky, you get to that.

But I mean gratis assistance out of college are waking up at three in the morning to go grind tape.

It's because they love what they do, and the chance to have a legacy is, you know, to many, and probably me more so than you, more important than a quick payday.

But here's the legacy.

The truth of the matter is Mark Stups is the best coach we've had in my lifetime.

What about yours?

Uh, that's true.

Yes, So there's your legacy.

Regardless of what's happened in the last couple of years, his legacy is going to be he's still the best coach we've had since Bear Bryant.

Yeah, yeah, I mean I can, I can give him that, But when does that conversation change.

I mean, if he were to stay two more years, Shannon, I mean, and then it got even worse.

You can't ignore the end of the tenure.

So it's you're correct and phrasing it.

He is the best coach Kentucky has ever had.

But these relationships I just don't think are meant to last this long.

Shann, I mean, do you agree with that?

Like Cal said famously, Kentucky is a ten year job.

It's tough to see any job in college football or basketball is it more than a ten year job.

So if he truly believed it's a ten year job.

Why did he sign a lifetime contract?

Col?

Yes?

Because of the money?

Yes, okay, So that goes back to my point that I was trying to make.

I just care about the money.

You think Carry cared about his legacy?

Yes, I do think Cow was already in the Hall of Fame.

He's already.

What anybody says to Cow when he's already in the Hall of.

Fame a ten year or you said it was a ten year lifespan that you should have as a coach.

That's what Cal said.

But yeah, I agree with.

That, And he signed a lifetime contract.

So he took advantage of his success to get a payday exactly.

But now when I think of Cal, what do you think about?

Do you think of St.

Peter's Okay, So there's my argument right there, Shannon.

He could be the greatest Kentucky basketball coach.

But the first thing you thought of was the loss that he had versus Saint Peter.

And do you think that hurts his feelings?

Laughing all hurts his feelings?

I don't know.

But the guy that like produces all these point guards to the NBA, somebody that revolutionized the game was laughed out of his last job.

And probably doesn't care one bit.

He five nine.

Let's go to Jacob.

Hey, Jacob, Hey, guys, what's going on.

The person needs to leave town.

It is miss Barnhart.

And if this comes out it is true that he walked in there tried to negotiate to buy out, that didn't happen, then blames on Barnhart.

He needs to get out of town.

He looked into Pope.

That's he got looked into that and if that hadn't happened, he all'd be on his way out.

Thanks, guys.

You know, Barnhart, he's had some big hits, he's had some home run highers, He's had some missues over the years, Billy, But I don't know how long that Barnhart is going to be here anyway, you know, Like how much longer is it before he just decides he wants to retire.

Yeah, that's coming up.

Mitch has done a lot for this school.

He wants to leave it in a spot where even after he leaves it, it's going to have a lot of success.

But I do think there is a lot of truth in Arkansas saving us from the Caliperi contract.

And if that, if they had never come in on their chariot.

For the Chicken Man to offer cal all that money and a new spot, then Kentucky would be with two of some of the worst contracts in Mark Stoops and John Caliperry.

And talking about you know, the your contract extends a year every year you make a Bowl game, Shannon.

You know, Matt and I talked about that.

It's like contract that allows you for every year that that's added for you to not make a ball game.

I mean, that just seems a little bizarre.

You know, Mitch has hit some great hires, but he's also had some misses.

And this, you know, back to legacy, Shannon.

This is a guy that's worked here for over twenty years.

He's helped build programs like the rifle team and and look at where I'm sitting here in the new Memorial Coliseum.

All the funding that he's secured, He's done a lot.

But if he screws this up, you know, if he didn't luck into Mark Pope, I think most people would think of the last few years of his tenure.

So you have to care.

Here's the problem with Stoops too, is you know, with Calip Perry, you had Arkansas pursuing him wanting him to be their coach.

I don't see a whole lot of people knocking down on the door trying to get Mark Stoops to become their coach.

And when you're in that situation and your Mark Stoops, you don't have anybody in the phones not ringing asking you to come coach their school, then yeah, you're going to be content to stay there and take that money.

Yeah, yeah, so would I think.

That's the difference.

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Shannon the Dude, Billy Retledge eight five nine two eight twenty two eighty seven.

Billy, this is van Halen, which reminds me that over the weekend somehow got sucked into the David Lee Roth live performance in twenty twenty five rabbit hole.

You know, you open up YouTube and it says, hey, we think you might like this video.

Yeah, click on it.

And it's an old man, David Lee Roth.

I don't know how how old he is.

But he's still dresses like it's nineteen, like David Lee Roth nineteen eighty four, you know, Like he's still wearing like the cutoff leather, like the leather, the leather like the he's got a leather vest on, nothing under it.

He's got black leather pants.

He's up there on stage grabbing his crotch and he's got like five guys in the background that are doing all the heavy lifting, like they're singing all the song and he's just like, you know, every now and then he'll jump in and sing a line or two or something like that.

And I'm going there, I'm like, this is really bizarre.

People are actually paying money to see David Lee Roth in the year twenty twenty five.

It's kind of crazy.

He's got this this smile that like seems like it's surgically implanted on his face.

It looks like he's got a lot of plastic surgery.

It was done.

I don't know, it's just it's a really bizarre thing.

If you look up later on David Lee Roth live performance in twenty twenty five, it's like, I don't know, It's like he still thinks it's nineteen eighty, but the guy can't sing anymore.

T weird.

Well, you just wait for twenty fifty five to come around and you're still getting in your tights and your fodor and your scarf playing for Alice bluegett.

Oh, somebody telling me to quit, like to say, hey, retire man, you're done.

Like somebody needs to tell David Lee Roth you're done.

Man.

It's out ruining your legacy.

David.

There you go that legacy word again.

Yeah, what about the legacy?

Uh?

I understand that you wouldn't shake hands with someone who came up to you during that sum and you would not shake hands with the person who it turns out to be the s I d there at Kentucky.

Yeah.

Yeah, Heaven Crane has been helping us out, and big thank you to him and deb that have helped us get set up here at Memorial coll Seum today.

Uh.

And they were gonna introduce me to the UK Women's basketball SID So they brought her around and she stuck out her hand and I was I was.

She was saying, are you billy or you want to she was starting to do a conversation.

I had to do the mat, you know.

I was like, I'm on the air and it felt really bad.

She had to ran the other way, and now I got to go find her and make up for it.

So you just completely I mean, yeah, I understand you were on the air, but you didn't even try to shake her hand or not a fist bump or nothing.

No, no, And Mario's shaking his head at me.

He said, oh, no handshakes.

See, when we talk about real failure, are who are the like, you know, the friendliest people on the KSR staff.

That's why you rank in the bottom, billy, because you won't even shake hands with the s I d when she comes up to just.

Say hello you, I'm just gonna throw a challenge flag on that one.

I'm gonna go find her and profusely apologize.

I don't think everybody would do that on the on the KSR staff, But you know what, it was my bad.

I was in the moment trying to give takes about statues and shannabying money motivated and Uh, you just got caught up in the moment.

But UK Athletics has been great.

Thank you for having us out here today.

All right, let's go back to the phone.

So let's go to Andy.

What's up?

Andy?

Hey?

Andy, what's up?

Guys?

You know?

Walking flock of plain says he's got a whole lot of money.

You think that might reach out to it and see if he's got thirty eight mil or something?

Yeah, I don't think why would he give us money?

Andy?

Yeah, well we haven't planned as much.

We haven't planned a run over could use it.

So uh, cutter Bowie.

We're talking about him being the future of Kentucky if he gets better and better gradually as the year goes along and Kentucky just keeps doing what they're doing.

I mean, do you really think he'll be there next year?

If Mark Stoops is still the coach?

If there's dots and significant coaches change changes made, Because I mean, if you put yourself in the position, if you're a college athlete with NFL aspirations and you're at Kentucky or you're looking to go hit the porter and go somewhere, would you really go play for mart Stookes If you was a wide receiver or a quarterback.

I mean I know I wouldn't.

Yeah, but you know it is still you're still playing in the SEC, and that's where everybody wants to play in the SEC.

Good sightful.

So that's like that's a question of like, Okay, would you want to go play quarterback for Vanderbilt.

Well, clearly they found somebody who did, so I feel like Kentucky can too, and we appreciate the call.

Andy, thank you.

Yeah.

I think maybe it's more of a question of will the OC be there next year because if again Mark Stoups I think is still going to be around next year.

I don't think the buyout is going to happen.

So is bush Hampden going to be there next year?

If you believe some of the rumors, He's not gonna be there about Saturday.

So just it depends on, you know, if Cutter wants to stick around.

He said that he likes some of the calls that were, you know, being called by are some of the plays that were being called by bush Hampden on Saturday.

So again taking too much of what these guys are saying, what else are they going to say about their coaches?

And their guys like, unless they throw them under the bus, it's gonna be canned answers all the time.

It's a fair question from Andy though.

I mean, if in college football, if you see a better opportunity, and especially at a quarterback spot, then you know you want to put yourself in the best place to succeed, not just a place that you were a fan of since you were a kid.

Right, So he's got to think about his future as much as Mark Stoops and Bush Hampden has to think of theirs, and as much as Kentucky Athletics has to think about theirs.

But I'm hoping that's not the case, because you know, Kentucky has gotten these transfer quarterbacks for so many years.

They finally have a homegrown kid that they're able to develop.

And if he's already playing like this as a red shirt freshman, then you know the sky's the limit.

And then throw in Ponatowski that's going to be coming in, that dual athlete that could be very talented.

So I know only one guy starts at that position, but I think there is optimism there.

But you got to think we'll cut her boldly stay if all these same pieces are in place.

Not sure.

I mean, if you're looking for encouragement.

Again, as we said, this is his best game that he's had so far this year, and for that happening on the road against Georgia, I think that's a big statement for Cutter.

Now we could change the way that they do nil, like all these guys that they're paying big money for that really isn't doing much.

You can invest in maybe getting a wide receiver, one that is able to get open right instead of a you know, maybe a Kendrick Law who's a little under that is a gadget player and is a good player.

But for the most part, Kentucky can't throw the ball ten fifteen yards down the field because their receivers aren't getting nop.

That's been a problem all season long.

I mean, they've got to run something to get those guys open.

They can't just keep doing the same thing.

Yeah, how many behind the line of scrimmage passes did we see from bush Hampton this the time?

Still though, you know, with that being said, still through for two hundred and twenty five yards, so at least something was working.

I mean, there's there's a little bit of improvement I'm seeing there, let's go to Todd.

Hey, Todd, Hey, Todd, Hey, San Hey, this ain't my question at first.

I used to follow up on that last part of when he was talking how many people were knocking the door down for Caliperri the last five years want him And it's not a question.

I'm just saying, and I'd say Fax the Saint and m is pretty happy they didn't get Mark Stookes.

But I to get to the question, what what effect is this going to have on getting a coach and recruiting players as this continues to drag on.

If it don't end this year, the next year and it gets keeps worse at Kentucky, He's not a hotbed for a coach, and there's going to be openings of better schools around the country, how is this going to affect UK trying to find a decent coach?

Another question you just elaborated.

It's not just this year.

Over the last sever years, Kentucky don't know how to throw a pass over ten yards.

The offense has been like that when we've had the receivers.

It's like, if it's third and seven, we're going to run it down the middle or throw a little rinky denp pass.

They don't use the assets they've got a lot of times over the years.

Yeah, and the offensive coordinators that we've talked about, Dix for the call to take you Todd.

You know, throughout the years, you've had offensive coordinators who struggled here and then went off and had great success other places.

And again that goes back to Mark Stoops, right, even though he claims that he doesn't handcuff the ocs at all, and they call what they want.

You have to at some point think, okay, all these offensive coordinators struggling at Kentucky and going off to you know, Liam Cohen going off to the NFL having success.

Yeah, Shannon Dawson having some success.

So I mean, like, you know, at some point it goes back to your head coach, Billy.

You got to at some point point the finger to him.

Yeah.

I mean, he is the common denominator in all this.

And you know, a lot of times you're looking for a reset, you're looking to make a change.

You fire an offensive coordinator and on a new offensive line coach comes in.

You know, you're looking to change the parts.

But if the operation isn't working, if it's been multiple years, you got to look in the mirror a little bit.

You know, on Kentucky as a job.

As a whole, I would argue it's one of the better jobs in the country.

Yeah, we've talked about this.

I mean he makes nine million dollars a year to try to win seven games, So I mean that is attractive to a lot of money motivated people.

So if you're not worried about making the playoff and you want to just go make money, then Kentucky's a great spot for you.

So there is gonna it's gonna attract suitors, but you know, you have to think about the damage that might be done to the fan base before that change is made, right, I mean.

But they'll come back.

Well, here's the thing, right, Indiana is a blueprint for you can just rebuild it in one year, right, I mean Vandy Mississippi State this year.

I mean they're able to just quickly reload and then just look like a completely different program.

So that is the optimism that anybody has.

But I just think we need to change the way or who they hire, Shannon, instead of maybe getting an incumbent coach or somebody that's been around for a while, why not get an up and comer from like D two or a lower D one team.

That's kind of what Indiana did with James Madison.

They bring in Kurt Signetti.

He brings in all his players from James Madison and they make the playoff in their first year from Indiana.

It's just the way that they go about it may need to change a little bit.

Let's go to Joe Hey, Joe, yeah, thank you, gentlemen.

Quickly do Rodriguez call uh that's florer line in mysmates, And that's just right down cheating.

We got cheated out of a play and I don't really understand why we got such disrespect for Kintucky football.

It was scread with clartic.

You know, that's just no way to describe that, the cheating.

And secondly, on miss Barnhart, to be fair, I've been harder and brought mister Barnhart for a long time.

He did bring in coach Brooks, that was a great move, but football rules financially, he has been a failure in the last couple of years on the football level, and he has got to solve this problem.

I don't know how he solves it unless his church members gives you a thirty eight million that we might solve the problem.

Other than that have a great day.

It's just a total total failure right now with mister Barnhart, thanks a.

Lot, thanks for the call, Joe.

Yeah, I mean Barnhart has brought in a lot of great players.

And if we had this conversation about Stoops a few years ago when he was winning ten games a year, we would say it's a great hire.

And it was a great hire for a while.

But again it goes back to these buyout contracts that these coaches get, which is amazing to me.

Billy pay you thirty eight million dollars to go away, and coaches get that in their contract and if that could, you know, as long as that continues to happen, you're going to continue to have teams that are in the situation to where they have a coach they don't want, but there's thirty eight million dollars that they can't afford to pay and you're stuck with them.

Yeah, in buyouts and in sports are crazy.

The salaries of college coaches are insane.

Maybe that's something you see go down a little bit as schools or you know, pay their own athletes now, but there's no question that these salaries have gotten out of hand for coaches.

You know, Mitch, it kind of handcuffed in both the basketball and football situations, right, UCLA wanted to hire cal That's what leads to the lifetime contract.

You know, Stoops flirts with A and M and you retain the guy and you move forward there.

You know, it's hindsight's twenty twenty, but those were two critical situations there with Mitch.

Let's take one more call before the break.

We'll go to Judy.

Hey, Judy, Hey Judy, how are you all good?

Good?

I don't know if anyboys ever talked about this, but you know, is divorced was final as May of twenty twenty one.

Do you think that it's kind of been a lot different since then?

Maybe a little wilder or a little wilder off the field.

Yet, I don't know about Stupid's personal life.

I don't know.

I mean, I would think that have going through a divorce would probably change a lot of things.

And you know the way that you go through your day to day life, I'm sure it has an effect on it, and I'm sure that bleeds over into your work as well.

But Billy, I don't know.

Do you think that that had anything to do with what's happened on the field.

Yeah, you know, I don't want to speculate about anybody's personal life and how it impacts them on a daily basis, but I would say it's impossible for it to not to impact you, right, I'm sure it's I mean, it's it's your wife, it's your your kids moving to a different state.

So I mean, who am I to say they had a lower wind total because of this?

But obviously everything impacts things.

Thanks for the Calle Judy eight five nine two eight h twenty two eighty seven, Billy tell Us who This second sponsored by?

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Mark Pope said over the weekend, Billy in an event, he was asked about the denim jerseys.

He said that not only will they bring them out this upcoming season, he said it could be not just a special one off thing.

He says that there could be multiple games where the team rocks the denim.

I know you're for that, right Heck, yeah, yeah, not just one game, but multiple, you know, Mark Pope appealing to the people.

I love to hear that.

I think it was what hoops and heels over the weekend where a lot of females were able to come out and talk to the basketball team.

So that's great news.

We already knew that Converse released the Denham shoe, so I think this is all just and then lead up with that.

I think that they would have had him last year.

But he said there's a lot of red tape they had to go through, so I guess a lot of I don't know, legal stuff that they had to figure out before they could get the you know, the licensing armor or whatever it might be.

But you know, people love nostalgia.

People love things that bring them back to a think to a time when things were better, whether it be you know, going to see an old band that you used to listen to or you know, trends that are nostalgic, watching.

Old movies, old cartoons.

For me, old cartoons.

Oh yeah, people love this and I'm one of them too.

And trust me, Billy, I mean, the older you get, the more nostalgic you'll get because you'll be thinking about the good old days.

And I think that that's why the denim.

It's not because they look great.

I don't think the denim necessarily looked that great.

It's kind of ugly.

But you know the fact that we can see the current team where the denim and think about the ninety six team.

Yeah, it's perfect with Pope being the head coach and everything that happened at RUPP last year with all this alumni coming off the bus.

How cool of a moment was that.

So this was just the natural, you know, evolution of all this.

So turning the page here Media Day, Shannon, Yeah, we're talking more about basketball.

It's like if fans had a wish list of things they'd like to bring back and Mark Pope just going right down the list and just checking those boxes.

That's right.

So what big Blue Maddness coming up this Saturday?

Is this where we completely lose the football fan base, well.

Yeah, with the bye week and everything.

I mean, maybe you bring some back if you're able to beat Texas because they just look god awful.

But yeah, I mean this is a basketball state for a reason, Shannon, So we'll probably see some of that movement and Keenland going on right now too.

Yeah.

I mean, we're still going to have a full stadium, I feel like, but I hope that it's not mostly orange the next couple of weeks with Texas and Tennessee coming to town back to back weekends, so you know, I think that, you know, there's going to be a full stadium, but it might be more of the other fan base than our own, and I just hope that's not the case.

We can't let Tennessee come in and just completely take over Kroger Field.

But I feel like if they lose bad the Texas on the eighteenth, there's a chance that on the twenty fifth, there's gonna be a lot of orange in Kroger Field, and that hurts my soul.

Billy can't have that happen.

No, No, we gotta you gotta protect home turf, you know, as bad as it gets with Mark Stoops will it get as bad as what's going on with Bill Belichick over the weekend?

Gosh awful.

You think you think they're regretting that higher now at North Carolina.

I don't know what they're thinking.

I mean, they have to.

It's just been such a circus and for him them to just come out so flat.

I mean, you want to talk about legacy, Shannon, Bill Belichick and his legacy as a coach.

I mean Tom Brady leaves, he wins a super Bowl without him, and then he goes and coaches a college team and sucks it up.

I think he's like under five hundred of a coach without Tom Brady failed at Cleveland, failed with left the Jets before you could play a game.

Don't get me worked up.

Look, I think his legacy has improved.

All right.

My guy is in his seventies.

He's dating Jordan Hudson.

That is a legend.

You want to talk about legacy.

A legend North Carolina?

Yes, it's North Carolina football.

North Carolina football.

Oh God, what a joke.

What do you mean, Bill Belichick?

No, just being like his legacy's better for dating the twenty five year old and then you know, just doing everything he's doing with North Carolina.

Yeah, guy's a legend of my book.

I don't care what you say.

And again it's North Carolina football, you know.

Yeah, they had a chance to bring in Bill Belichick.

Why wouldn't you?

If you're Kentucky football, you had the chance to bring in Bill Belichick, wouldn't you?

I would?

Well, John Gruden's that next conversation, would you bring in John Gruden?

Or would you bring in something?

I would have that conversation at least I would definitely heavily consider it.

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KSR is coming up next live from Kentucky Media Day, and uh, we'll talk I'm sure a whole lot more about the rumors that are going around the Kentucky Georgia game, and a whole lot more until then, This has been the KSR pre show.

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