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[SPEAKER_01]: Happy Thanksgiving week to you, Jack McMullen, Aram Layton, as always, the just baseball show is brought to you by BetMGM.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you enjoy your college basketball this week.

[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite Thanksgiving day tradition is not cowboys, football or lions football.

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Ballroom game at the Battle for Atlantis.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say, where are these two basketball teams playing on the map right now during Thanksgiving?

[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I mean, you've got like three different Bahamas themed college basketball tournaments like, okay, you're at Bahamas and then you're at Atlantis and then there's another one and another weird ballroom.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it just works and my favorite thing about Atlantis is every spectator is just covered in darkness.

[SPEAKER_01]: The only lights that they spend on are like the actual court.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's a college basketball conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got stove movement, man, somebody turned on the burner and it's clear that it's a gas stove and not electric.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's Marcus Semian for Brandon Nimble.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nimble, who was drafted by the Metz, heads to Arlington and Semian goes to shore up the middle and field defensively.

[SPEAKER_01]: for New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll talk about nemeon or nemeon, holy smokes, nimo and semeon.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be the nickname of the trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about that for the first half of the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then some interesting non-tender guys that were not offered a contract on Friday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also my favorite thing in baseball is when people try to turn relievers into a starter and maybe [SPEAKER_01]: The funniest one happened this weekend, so we'll talk about that, and a couple other things.

[SPEAKER_01]: But excited to get this show going with Nimo and Semi.

[SPEAKER_01]: What was your initial reaction, I guess?

[SPEAKER_01]: When that trade went down.

[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like we were like kids again.

[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like these are the kind of trades you saw, you know, you and I are 27, 28 years old.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like those are the trades we saw when we were nine, 10 years old.

[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of the end of that, of course, our parents, that's the only trades aside.

[SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't as much of the prospect for player trades, but it's gotten so much, I think it's just, [SPEAKER_02]: We've drifted so far away where you're now if you're a team that's trading in established player you're almost always going to want prospects and teams don't want to exchange contracts very often because they're very.

[SPEAKER_02]: particular about where they're allocating their money.

[SPEAKER_02]: So very rarely do we get bigleaker for bigleaker trades.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's one side of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you do, maybe it's something like G-Rod for Taylor Ward, which was awesome.

[SPEAKER_02]: But then very, very rarely, you get established bigleaker on the other side of 30 with years left on his contract, traded for established bigleaker on the other side of 30 with years left on his contract.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I just, I don't know, it just took me back to being a kid almost where it's just, I haven't, I can't think of the last time we had a trade like that given the financial commitments, what these players have done in the past, in the Nimmo case more so like what he meant to the franchise.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love every bit of it because I didn't get just makes baseball a little bit more interesting for the casual fan.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're not going to care as much about the prospect trades and I get that, but this is something that, you know, even if you, if this is the third sport you watch, like this is still going to be something that you're like, whoa, that's that's an interesting swap.

[SPEAKER_01]: we know exactly who these guys are.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was the big thing for me where, you know, how does it deviate from the prospect trade?

[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is prospects you project.

[SPEAKER_01]: You say, oh, I like this guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't like this guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody really knows about prospects.

[SPEAKER_01]: If the Metz swapped Marcus Semian for Clifford and a couple other guys, obviously Ranger fans are going to be excited about Clifford and they're going to go to the baseball reference page and they're going to [SPEAKER_02]: But they go to the call-up and listen, but that's why I like it because how else are you going to know, if you're exactly still in.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the reality is, you spend as much time diving into these guys as anyone and you still don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have no idea how they're going to project.

[SPEAKER_01]: You also don't know how Joe Adele is going to mature over the course of his major league career.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's 26 years old.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was just flirt with 40 homers, but he was really bad before that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So guys in the early to mid 20s that are traded like the Grayson Rodriguez swap, it jumbles my brain because I don't really know who Grayson's going to be in five years.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing about Brandon Nemo and Marcus Semian is we know exactly the kind of player that they are.

[SPEAKER_01]: NIMOS 33 years old, semi in 35, there's no uncovered stone to these guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: The last stone uncovered with one of them was semi and moving over to second base.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is one year with Toronto, and it just worked.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like you're not, you're not betting on really anything here.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just swapping a big contract for a big contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was your right a kid trade, but also an MLB the show trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: You just, I think you're favorite old guy on an expensive deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was the other thought I had or like when you're simulating the seas and you see like that trade happening going on that's not something that would ever happen in real life and you know I think I think it was a trade to where you'll get it that it makes a lot more sense on the surface to to like.

[SPEAKER_02]: the ranger side where people are saying, oh, like, why would the meds do this?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I tried my best to kind of wrap my head around it all and why I think they would.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I honestly do think it's a sign of more to come, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think for the meds, the ranger's quail, we're going to talk about non-tender players who were non-tendered in [SPEAKER_02]: two of the more significant ones were Rangers guys to yeah I think we're good business decisions but you know if you're in a spot where money ain't a thing you're probably tendering high McContract and just seeing how it goes.

[SPEAKER_02]: maybe even a dolly sea don't, but that's 18 million there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now with this deal, it's roughly about 30 million dollars in savings long term for the mats, but short term, you're saving about five and a half million for the next two years if you're the Rangers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also on the Ranger side, I just think you're getting a more productive player at this stage is a little bit younger, but it's longer term, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's five years, 105 million dollars versus what with seven [SPEAKER_01]: So the interesting thing that came out, and I saw this breakdown on spot track is the Metz retain $1 million per year of Nimmo.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that was a pay-down scenario or that was just a stipulation in the contract, but the Metz are gonna pay one of the 20.25 every year for the remainder of the deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's effectively, I have the total money written down here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Semian.

[SPEAKER_01]: is a three for 78 in his age 35 through 37 seasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nimmo is five for 96 in age 33 through 37.

[SPEAKER_01]: So five for 96 compared to three for 78.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the money probably is a slight aspect to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is two teams I needed to shake some things up to.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think the semi and seeger middle and field is exciting as it was and you know, where they were able to kind of get things off on the jump.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was time to shake that up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Nemo fills a void for them that I think makes a lot of sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, again, short term savings, some money.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because the range isn't rebuilding.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone says, oh, maybe seagr is going next.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're trying to just reshuffle some of these assets and then figure it out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now they get a little bit more wiggle room financially.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think every dollar matters, because they very aggressively have pushed against, you know, I think generally what they like to spend.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then on the med side, I think Cohen doesn't really care too much about the money obviously as we know.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if they're about to go hand out some other big contracts [SPEAKER_02]: they're going to offer pedalons, though they may go, you know, whale hunting with with a Kyle Tucker, whatever it may be, you might as well clear up 20 plus million dollars in long term financial commitments, because I imagine that's just the one thing that Collins looking at, how much money do we have allocated over the next, you know, handful of years.

[SPEAKER_02]: So even if it's short term a little bit more expensive in the grand scheme, it's saving them money, and I think when you look [SPEAKER_02]: A really good defensive infield seems to have always been important for him in Milwaukee and it was a huge Achilles heel for the meds, you know, this past year now you have lendor and semi in up the middle even if semi and continues to slow down a little bit you're going to get a great defender, but I think it's going to invigorate semi in a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the bet that they're they're trying to cash in here too is you bring that guy to New York gives him kind of another life here.

[SPEAKER_02]: None of the bad at ball, like qualities were much worse last year, so I think there's some hope that he can regain some of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, and again, I think we talked about the meds needing to be shaken up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Nemo was the guy that you're all gonna have to potentially shake this thing up.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's shaking it up nonetheless.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also think last thing real quick, the acquisition of Semian makes McNeo now expendable.

[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, if you include the buyout, is owed about $17.75 million.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're able to move, let's even just say to be conservative, two thirds of McNeill's contract, you pay it down a little bit, which you should be able to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or you take on another five million dollars from somebody that fits in the bullpen or whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now you've cleared up a pretty significant amount of money.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's the other side of it too, the acquisition of Semi-In makes McNeill expendable who we've kind of said is another shake-up guy, [SPEAKER_02]: I think at that point, now you're looking at non negligible savings and you shook up the roster a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: The big thing here and you just hit on, you know, kind of the overarching points for both is the reallocation of assets and what each team is prioritizing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to get into that.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll start with the meds and we'll go to the Rangers, but those are going to be the next two segments here on the just baseball show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Got about 30 seconds left.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to [SPEAKER_01]: For me, at least looking at the Metz, this is absolutely a precursor move to something else.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the question is, is that using your prospect capital via trade or is that hunting in the Kyle Tucker waters?

[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea, we're going to dive into that in about five seconds, but we'll be right back here on the Just Baseball Show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just baseball, so Jack McMull and Aram Leighton, we were talking about how this impacts the Metz, the Marcus Semian Brandon Nemoswap.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon Nemo goes to Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: Marcus Semian is the return.

[SPEAKER_01]: He comes from Texas to New York.

[SPEAKER_01]: A couple things right off the bat.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bruce Boachie, how often did you hear about Bruce Boachie raving about Marcus Semian during the World Series around in 2023?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, we have an agreement.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's always going to be at the top of the lineup card unless he tells me and we'll change things up here.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was so much love to him rolling out there every single day and then all of a sudden, [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the production took a nose dive, Bochi's gone, and then Semi and won't play a game for skip shoe mocker.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just think like it's kind of funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea if it's coincidental or not, but the lore of playing 162 games is sort of kind of gone when you're not performing to the standard of your $175,000,000 day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they don't, they don't care as much, you know, I don't think it becomes as much of a, of a calling card.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think it matters here in the respect that, you know, for the meds, you know what you've got, because I think it's funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think we talked about the unknown.

[SPEAKER_02]: And with these guys, there's less unknown, because it's two vats, and yeah, you have such a large sample size that I said that being successful.

[SPEAKER_02]: The one variable that I am looking at is, [SPEAKER_02]: It's two teams here, basically betting on the other aging a little bit more quickly.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you may say, well, obviously, Semion's going to age more quickly.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's 35 years old.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because we were just talking about it, you and I, not like a handful of episodes ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was saying, I think that Brandon Nemo contract is going to be really hard to move because you look at, I think in the Nemo case, Semion's always been an outperform the peripheral's guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to, [SPEAKER_02]: pull the ball in the air is going to make good swing decisions as EVs are never going to be great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Nimmo, you can kind of see a slight decline and not only the just athleticism where you've seen it kind of affect the defense, just the explosiveness, some of the offensive, you know, quality sim, and just in a lot of nagging issues that you have seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: somewhat concerning, like I think the planner Fashi, I just was a pretty big problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: You could see so many times during the year, Nema, who likes to sprint to first base when he walks, you know, was kind of struggling to get down the line just in general.

[SPEAKER_02]: That said, he still hit 25 home runs, but up a 114 WRC plus.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a guy that you, you know, love to add to your team here, but he's not a guy that you can even throw out and center much anymore, so he's going more to a corner.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was probably a big part of when you're [SPEAKER_02]: even though second base is in a premium position, we need key defenders at spots.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you have to send me into a guy that can play really good defensive second base and give you the value of the middle, whereas you know, Nimmo at this stage is just a fine defensive corner outfielder.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like that's an area where they at least imagine that they can replace that production a little bit more easily than trying to find more defensive value.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just I think that's the [SPEAKER_02]: go get an established bat who's very good chance to give you 15% above average production and it's just steady as can be.

[SPEAKER_02]: They don't care about the defense as much.

[SPEAKER_02]: They've got some other good defenders in the outfield and just plug them into a corner and get production there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Nemo has done a good job in his career of scrapping the fragility aspect of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I remember at the beginning of this shows existence in 2021-22, we were talking about Brandon Nemo being a fragile baseball player and not being overwhelmingly available.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that came from 69 games in 2017.

[SPEAKER_01]: 69 games in 2019, 92 games in 2021.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those were three consecutive full seasons outside of 2018 when he played 140.

[SPEAKER_01]: But in his last four, 151, 152, 151, 155.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's on the field.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the meds do have 600 played appearances.

[SPEAKER_01]: 650 at bats coming their way in semi.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you're hopping on the point of defense.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the most important one because that was [SPEAKER_01]: You can point at a lot of individuals who by the way are no longer on the team like Ryan Hellsley not being the deadline pick up the forecasted.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was a huge piece of them not making the postseason Sedric Mullins not being the deadline acquisition.

[SPEAKER_01]: They forecasted that was a huge piece of them not making the postseason But if you look at the one overarching thing as a team [SPEAKER_01]: You're either looking at the starting rotation or you're looking at the defense.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like it's easier to put a bandaid on the defense.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hell of a lot cheaper to put a bandaid on the defense than it is a bandaid on the starting rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need to overhaul the rotation.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like the metzer committed to doing that with code I sang of being extremely available.

[SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_01]: defense like there was a way to maneuver and swap this and if it means taking on seven million dollars in twenty twenty six I really don't think Steve Cohen cares that much and you have that middle infield tandem now and assuming a fully healthy Francisco Alvarez that's an up the middle infield trio of the catcher Alvarez the short stop lendor and the second baseman simian being all world and then you've got Tyrone Taylor and center as the stop gap for probably [SPEAKER_01]: This is a very, very good up the middle quartet.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about the cubs like this a couple of years ago when they had bellinger.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Met's absolutely filled that right there.

[SPEAKER_01]: They need help elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like our baby or viento's all world defenders at third base.

[SPEAKER_01]: Heck no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Was Alonzo really bad at first base?

[SPEAKER_01]: Heck yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is Alonzo going to be a Met?

[SPEAKER_01]: Heck I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are other pieces that need to go into the defense and the team identity as a whole.

[SPEAKER_01]: But they did get a heck of a lot better there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you're planning to retain Peter Lanzo as well, at least this makes the defense a little bit more palatable, what you know, the other side of the right side is going to be defended quite well as you chip away at some of that and prioritize the offense.

[SPEAKER_02]: There you pick your spots, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: To prioritize the offense.

[SPEAKER_02]: And first base is going to be a great spot to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I do think the Rangers clearly short-term cash flows important.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the match [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just the overall financial picture for Steve Cohen, even though he's still going to spend like crazy, just going up some long-term liability.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a rare instance here, the reason why I think it matched up to is you had two unique circumstances where [SPEAKER_02]: teams looking more at the long-term cash liabilities or the other teams looking at more short-term cash flow, and usually every team's just looking at short-term cash flow.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a unique match-up there, I think, that worked out really well.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, and look, if it doesn't work out with Semian, yeah, it did.

[SPEAKER_02]: You paid a little bit extra that these two years, but you're out of the contract quicker.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the underrated part of the Nemo thing is, look, I think maybe through the entirety of semi and contracts are three of the five years, Nemo is going to probably be more productive player, but then you're on the hook for two more years.

[SPEAKER_02]: of Nemo there.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're sent me and hits free agency in the Met's, you know, in three years have the ability to go, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, core that money off the book.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that that's that's that's that's the interesting part of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and, you know, I think the Rangers are okay with that for now because you look at the Ranger situation.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have a lot of money off the books by the time that time comes around in three plus years.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they'd rather, again, prioritize that short term, you know, financial flexibility.

[SPEAKER_01]: the question that I want to answer in the next segment is what do they do now?

[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the meds I want to go through kind of their line of order, what they need to do to that roster on the position player front and then the Rangers, how do they spend the money that they freed up without Marcus Semian?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's coming up in a moment right here on the just baseball show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just baseball show continues.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're still talking the branded demo, Mark is semi-endial that moves semi-intune to New York brand and demo to Texas.

[SPEAKER_01]: The question is, what do the New York mats do now?

[SPEAKER_01]: And there are a couple of different ways that you can do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You alluded to this earlier.

[SPEAKER_01]: They could be hunting in a big free agent pools.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's obviously the name that jumps out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they move a left-handed hitting outfielder.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to go pursue Kyle Tucker.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to pair Tucker and Soto.

[SPEAKER_01]: The match can totally do that, especially before we get to this, you know, CBA coming to a close going into 2027.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I wonder, like, what are the other avenues in which they can attack backfilling Nemos role in production?

[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple that jumped out to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Bellinger.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bellinger could make a lot of sense there where he can play center, then all of a sudden you have Benge come and then you can have Bellinger play first if you don't retain Alonzo.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's some maliability with Cody Bellinger's existence with the mats that I find fascinating.

[SPEAKER_01]: You could also go and get Harrison Bader and continue to hammer home upgrading the outfield defense and the defense in general.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the one that intrigues me [SPEAKER_01]: is they just acquired market semi and they got a heck of a lot better in terms of middle and field defense without trading one of their eight top 100 prospects according to just baseball and they have nine top 110 prospects.

[SPEAKER_01]: We said that one in here is just on the outside looking in.

[SPEAKER_01]: So effectively call it nine blue chip prospects that you can move and some are greater than [SPEAKER_01]: My claims aren't touchable, my claims are not being moved, but like a tongue and sproate their value a bit higher than, you know, a jack one and jurist or then, you know, probably even a Ryan Clifford is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just look at what they can do with their prospect capital.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I say, why can't you go be the team that gets gerendorant?

[SPEAKER_01]: The red sock wants some pitching.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why couldn't you move some pitching for gerendorant?

[SPEAKER_01]: Would Tong for Doran straight up work?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's where my brain starts to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like gerendorant could be a really good fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: with the New York match.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we've talked about Luis Robert before, possibly being a fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Duran is the better player at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to go get willier or bring you and get one of the best defensive bright filters in baseball to handle a spacious right field at city field?

[SPEAKER_01]: There are just so many different ways that they can attack this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the part I'm fascinated by, because I think, you know, I'm a huge fan of Carson Benges, you know, and I guess anyone who listened to the show knows, but I think he's in a buff average center field of what it all comes together.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think off the bat, he may just be average, you know, and it's just a different game in center field and for the New York Matt's where it's, it's [SPEAKER_02]: Metrically, you know, I don't think you're going to grade out, elite right off the bat there as you're just still getting comfortable.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think he is in a above average center field or ultimately, and, you know, but does that happen right away?

[SPEAKER_02]: Does that happen in the second half of the season?

[SPEAKER_02]: Does that happen in year two?

[SPEAKER_02]: Can I see a guy that's capable of holding it down?

[SPEAKER_02]: But if we're prioritizing defense right now, I can promise you that, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: Harrison Bader is going to be better defensively than Carson Banger, this coming season.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So is that something that they want to prioritize in the short term?

[SPEAKER_02]: You put Benjamin a corner now.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's closer to plus territory, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because he's still playing the corners.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he's still getting those reads.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's got the arm.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's got the closing speed.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think he would be great out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you have this flexibility, though, where it's like, okay, we can, we can also have Tyrone and Banger in the aggregate.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be [SPEAKER_02]: we go get a clear cut center fielder and now we kick Ben Jover to a corner where he's gonna defend even better and now we've got this unique defensive out field as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that eases Ben just transition in the big leagues where if you do decide to have him break camp, [SPEAKER_02]: which I think they should strongly consider.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit more calming, I think, when you can break camp as a corner out field or versus the opening day center field or potentially for the New York match.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you a little bit less to worry about in that regard.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that part of it's fascinating.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I like the bellinger shout that you give, because like, [SPEAKER_02]: he can plug, you know, I think several different fallouts that could happen because sure the meds don't even know how this whole thing's going to shake out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, usually you don't want to jump and make a move before you know how the rest of the moves go.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if you are going to do that, Bellinger makes a ton of sense because depending on how the off-season can go, you can plug him in different spots where he's still going to be incredibly valuable for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which could also be corner out field, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It could be center corner out [SPEAKER_01]: We've got about 60 seconds left on this segment.

[SPEAKER_01]: How do the Rangers maneuver after this?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, they have a longer term greater commitment in terms of total money.

[SPEAKER_01]: They took on five years as opposed to three, but they do free up about $7 million in space over the next two years.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's per year.

[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like the Rangers are reallocating to your point.

[SPEAKER_01]: They shed the possible 12 that they were going to owe and do at least Garcia more on that in the moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the possible six that they would join a high.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it just seems like they're going to try [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think when you're looking at what they're going to do in terms of just like how can they optimize this more I don't know how how much they can dramatically do and I think that's why this trade for them was kind of prioritizing just the offensive production in general because I don't know how much they're going to be able to spend and allocate in in some of these spots so like this was just a.

[SPEAKER_02]: Clear upgrade offensively and just try to piece it together from there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know how aggressive they're going to be because they still have a lot committed financially and still some pitching things that they need to figure out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Only time will tell what the Texas Rangers are doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were active at the non-tender deadline more on that in the moment here on the just baseball show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just talked about the branded Nimmo Markis Semian Deal, the swap between the Rangers and the New York Metz.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now I want to get into the non-tenders, and this is not a sexy thing at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there is value within the margins when it comes to guys who are not tender to contract.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the way that this works and I'm going to try and loosely define this is last Friday we hit a deadline where you have to tender contracts to everybody that is not on a free agent deal on your roster.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those could be guys that are headed into arbitration.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those could be guys that are on the league minimum.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't deem that player worthy of their estimated arbitration number, if they're a little bit deeper into their big league career or not worthy of the major league minimum, which is right around $800,000, then you don't have to tender them a contract and they hit free agency.

[SPEAKER_01]: So these are the guys who were not tendered contracts by their team, and now enter the free agent pool.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are some names that again, lack sex appeal entirely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you look at the guys that the Angel's non-tendered, Gustavo Comparo and Sebastian Rivera.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you know the positions they play, I will then mow you a couple of bucks.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's just like [SPEAKER_01]: There are some other guys like Edna Doleys Garcia or JJ Bliday that all of a sudden become sneaky, interesting ads to rosters, whether it's as a bench bat or a short platoon bat, the most notable one in recent years.

[SPEAKER_01]: was probably Cody Belinger.

[SPEAKER_01]: When he signed that one year, 20-ish million dollar deal with the Chicago Cups, he was non-tendered by the Dodgers because the arbitration number was just getting so crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were gonna have to owe him about $27 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: They said, you know what, for the role that you would be playing with the Dodgers, you're not worth that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Belinger hits the free agent market.

[SPEAKER_01]: He signs that one plus one deal with the Cubs.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's looking at lucrative deal after lucrative deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure it fascinates you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I think there's a really unique aspect to it where there's always a few guys like the Bellinger, Bellinger is like the final boss example, but if you came out really hot and then had a year or two where you struggled, you're gonna be a little bit more expensive than maybe a team wants to pay and it creates this difficult conversation.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're saying, oh, if this player is interesting, then why didn't they just tend to have a contract?

[SPEAKER_02]: they're interesting at $1 million, maybe $2 million, but at $6 to $8 million, maybe it's not.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's where it becomes really fun and interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even a guy like MJ Melendez, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Where as he fully put it together ever at the Big League level, no, but he's really intriguing as a prospect.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's had good stretches in the Big Leaks.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that was a low number.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's not intended, like that was, [SPEAKER_02]: an interesting, I think, outcome there and a player that could be fun to pursue.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it always, I think, stimulates the kind of backfills the free agency group a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we got that this year with, yeah, look at Adolees, and yeah, it's even bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: The last couple of years, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I look at him and say, there's a few teams where I would be really excited about them taking a shot.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I keep thinking about Adolees Garcia to the reds, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, that would make all the sense in the world.

[SPEAKER_02]: So those are the things that I think make this really fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I've got the complete list of non-tendered players.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I want you to kind of give me the elevator pitch and we'll spend more time on the larger names, but I want you to give me the elevator pitch on why they could be good ads for a lot of teams around Major League Baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna skip the names like Gustavo Camparo and Sebastian Rivera.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll skip Ramona Reyes too because Reyes is just like a bench in Fielder, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: J.

J.

Blidde, Wisey in Tree.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think step one, whoever odds JJ Bladay won't run a mountain center field, the majority of the time, I don't really know why the athletics did that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, Bladay's coming off of a 2024 season, where, you know, he had a 120 WRC plus and hit 20 homers and gave you three F4.

[SPEAKER_02]: But whatever reason, you know, the the A's have run Bladay in the last couple years out in center field.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not he's not even a very good corner out fielder.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what that was, but they continue to run them out there last year too.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I know, the thing that helped when you're also struggling offensively is negative 27 defensive run saved in the last two years in center field.

[SPEAKER_02]: But in the corners, he grades out, well, just about average, maybe slightly below.

[SPEAKER_02]: getting him up in opportunity to, you know, just focus on the offensive side of things.

[SPEAKER_02]: And again, maybe you can get back to that 120 WRC post that he put up.

[SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't over 110 games.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's 159 games in 2024.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Alec Mendoa, are you taking a shot?

[SPEAKER_01]: Alec Mendoa was non-tendered by the Braves.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I think he's still, he still deserves a few shots here.

[SPEAKER_02]: See, see what he's got, you know, I think.

[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't really fully seen him come back and see what it all could look like.

[SPEAKER_02]: We only got a little bit of AAA action last year where it didn't look great, but, you know, I still think he's, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: He's worth a shot now I think so I would totally think so and you know it's probably as a minor league deal and you got to prove it a guy that is worthy of a major league deal of his arm is okay he was dealing with forearm discomfort Evan Phillips was non-tendered by the Dodgers Evan Phillips was one of the better relievers and more underrated relievers in baseball for a couple of years there he's just been dealing with a variety of injuries this seems like the two-year deal that somebody just throws at him [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's like with relievers man when they've got the history of doing it, you know, and even when Phillips was on the mound early in this year, like the stuff was was still loud, you know, before he got hurt.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this is a guy that I think plenty of teams will probably be one of the busier in terms of the non-tendered players and all the offers that will get because it's a good really good fastball.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you fascinated by Will Brennan at all?

[SPEAKER_01]: The outfielder that was nontethered by the Guardian's.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know you are.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know I am.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I would absolutely take him on in a minor league deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's going to be a team that throws him a one year $2 million major league deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: It should be like a rocky type.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to work on this separately.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was texting Peyton Genes are our video extraordinaire.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I want to create a YouTube video of just like trying to build.

[SPEAKER_02]: like the the best Rocky's team possible, but like I want to look at all of the players who have succeeded at cores over the last 10 years and stack us here, whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: I won't bore you with all the details.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have time constraints here.

[SPEAKER_02]: But my early thought is like contact oriented guys with better than 30 grade power that would just I think each there and why not go for like a will Brennan type and see how it works out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have way too many swing and miss guys in Colorado both in the system and in the big leagues for and at a home environment that rewards you for just putting the ball and play What how does the altitude help you if you strike out too much and that's all the rocky pursuit I don't understand it [SPEAKER_02]: way decent corner outfield and plug in and center in a pinch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Our guy Max Cranic is recovering from in a loss surgery again right now, but again seems like that kind of two-year partially guaranteed deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a split deal where you can just break into a bullpen.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun for seem slider combo.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he kind of screams like a type of guy that the marlins would love to bring in right where you know you can kind of jansson junk Swiss army knife this guy and then wait all of a sudden he might just be an outright starter with the stuff the way it looks so yeah I think I think he's a it's all about the health for chronic I we've talked about obviously.

[SPEAKER_02]: especially you have a familiarity with them.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, where I was going to think he's underrated, but I really do think he is underrated.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what he was doing in the early going in 2025 was spectacular.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was kind of holding that bullpen up in the early part of the season.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen him at Big League to access another sense as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know that the overall numbers aren't great, but he's had some really impressive outings and it looked like the best version of himself in 2025.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think plenty of teams are going to be interested in [SPEAKER_02]: Swiss Army knife type of arm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pirates non-tendered Alexander Canario, who is a cubs prospect for a while, is there any level of intrigue left for you?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think more of like the short platoon guy, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Just go across lofties.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of surprising how much he struggled in general this year, but still just 25 years old.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the odds are stacked against him when you look at some of the underlying data, but they're still enough there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think with the ability to play all three outfield spots and the power that he has.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've got about a minute left, but we'll take it into the next segment as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: How about Nathaniel Lofe?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like are you intrigued enough by Nathaniel Lofe?

[SPEAKER_01]: Personally, I'd rather just grab and do harm and put him at first base and go get Nathaniel Lofe.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would, but if that's not an option, I think he's worth a flyer for, I think plenty of second division teams.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he showed some signs of life and Boston there, but.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's still even then.

[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't the most exciting fire to watch, but he put up a 114 WRC plus over 34 games.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's worth a flyer, but yeah, I'd rather than do hard as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about the Rangers and an interesting ray in a moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just baseball show rolls on.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking the guys that were non-tendered at the end of the last week that now enter the free agent pool.

[SPEAKER_01]: We just hit on the thing of low, who is non-tendered by the Boston Red Sox.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now I want to get to Christopher Morell, who is non-tendered by the Tampa Bay race.

[SPEAKER_01]: The name that was on the trade block forever for the Chicago Cubs and they were just looking to move, looking to move.

[SPEAKER_01]: Morrell was a big piece of the esach parades deal that got him to Chicago before the reroute to Houston in the Kyle Tucker trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Morrell has been great.

[SPEAKER_01]: since going over to Tampa and our Christopher Morrell is non-tendered.

[SPEAKER_01]: Him and Fraley were the two non-tenders for Tampa.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jake Fraley is a defensive oriented outfielder.

[SPEAKER_01]: Christopher Morrell is one of the bigger question marks in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: Morrell is just our new version of Jose Ciri, where the abilities there to be in all star.

[SPEAKER_01]: You just got to hit the baseball and he hasn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: What does a gamble on Christopher Morrell look like?

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the hardest part with Morrell is that he was at least with Siri when he's not hitting he's going to go play like a lead center field.

[SPEAKER_02]: Morrell should be a good defender.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why he's not.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's above average runner.

[SPEAKER_02]: He isn't a lead arm, but.

[SPEAKER_02]: You put him in the infielding throws sinkers.

[SPEAKER_02]: So your first basements miserable.

[SPEAKER_02]: You put him in the outfield and his reads and routes just aren't great.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then, offensively, it's kind of one swing for one spot.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to pull the ball in the air to left field as hard as you can every single time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, that may work for some guys, but when you have some swing and mess and chase issues, like it can really be easy to expose.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's exactly what we saw.

[SPEAKER_02]: But at 26 years old, when you've got the tools that he's got, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: I'm always, if I have an open spot, I'm very intrigued still in giving a guy like that the opportunity, but you know, it's just, to me, it's kind of a frustrating game to somewhere to see where it's just like, you're just going to do the same thing and struggle with the same things consistently.

[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like for now, the answer is yes, but, you know, he does have time to, to potentially improve those things, he hits the living crap out of the ball and I think the biggest hurdle for me with him though is just like, you're kind of just sticking him somewhere by default.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's nowhere that he is necessarily good defensively.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you deem a doleys Garcia worthy of?

[SPEAKER_01]: If you were sitting in one of these decision-making chairs and you were told, hey, we can bring a doleys Garcia in on a one-year deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are you comfortable giving him?

[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because the answer is not 12.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it six?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is I was thinking six?

[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking six.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I'd go above six.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're talking about, [SPEAKER_02]: Back to back seasons here where he has been below the league average offensively and you know, I think he's still worth a shot, but we're talking about hits the other side of 30 so it's 31 age 32 seasons are both bad that's not the most encouraging side of things, but you know, and off of some injuries as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, he's still hitting the ball really hard, I changed a scenery could help.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think you look at some aspects of the bad about quality.

[SPEAKER_02]: He actually hit the ball harder.

[SPEAKER_02]: In 2025, full mile per hour up in the average eggs of velocity department.

[SPEAKER_02]: His launch angle was up a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like there was some...

[SPEAKER_02]: encouraging underlying aspects, and I think from that perspective, like you look at the the world by X well, but they're about 25 points there, the expected slog about 25 points there.

[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe you drop them in the right stadium and you know, you can squeeze out a little bit more, you know, and value.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder, like if I'm the reds or something like that, I'd give him 68 million, I think in on a one year and give it a shot.

[SPEAKER_01]: What about Jonah Haim, who is the other guy non-tendered?

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not worth six according to the Texas Rangers.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's an interesting one to me because I could see another team saying, you know what, I think you are worth six.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the funny one, because I was going to say, I think in the right situation, he's a pretty easy tender and a contract candidate.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I think with the situation that they were in, and again, high and where it's back to back years of him being bad, you're like, well, we'll just, you know, if high Ms.

the same player he was the last two years, we're going to be kicking ourselves because every dollar matters right now, and we could have allocated that six million elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas, I think another team says, well, he could bounce back in worst case scenario.

[SPEAKER_02]: a little bit more than we wanted to spend.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it seems going to end up coming in at four million or so and you know, I don't think he's going to lose too much.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so, and if Austin hedges got what three and a half or four from Cleveland, I feel like Jonah Heim can get four million to be a backup somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_01]: A couple more guys here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Tollia, the Rocky's non-Tendered Tollia, mammoth power, mammoth swing and miss.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tollia is a physical specimen when you see him in person, but this like, is he still a major league first baseman?

[SPEAKER_02]: He's a minor league deal guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think he has a chance to prove that he could be a major league first basement.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of, you know, I think, especially the data-dorrowing aspect of him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's, there's reason why a lot of people I think picked him as a breakout guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to analytically vary analytically driven people like some of the peripherals there.

[SPEAKER_02]: But swings and misses too much.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, and then you take him out of course, it's only going to be worse.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, this is a perfect example of like, why are these guys the guys that we've got at course field right now?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think we need a little bit more contact oriented players here.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's more of a minor league deal for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Got you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last one is MJ Melendez.

[SPEAKER_01]: And guy that I know that you alluded to, do you feel more comfortable with Melendez than you do, Tolia?

[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would rather give Melendez a shot.

[SPEAKER_02]: The defense got better in a corner.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's some other aspects, I think, that making more of the shot, a little bit more of a track record of hitting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Got you.

[SPEAKER_01]: OK, we have about two minutes left in this segment.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to flip flop, because we were going to talk [SPEAKER_01]: Teams are reportedly interested, including the Detroit Tigers, in Ryan Hellsley as a starting pitcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Hellsley, the All-Star Closer in St.

Louis, that was acquired by the Metz at the Trade Deadline.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Hellsley was not very good as the Met set up guy for Edwin Diaz.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Hellsley is a guy that has historically thrown 100 miles an hour with a 90 mile an hour slider.

[SPEAKER_01]: What about Ryan Hellsley, arm laden, screams starting pitcher to you?

[SPEAKER_01]: There's literally nothing that screams starting pitcher to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, he threw a curveball sometimes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this right here is why it is my least favorite trend in baseball right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy should be a starter.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy should be a starter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just because Michael King and Clay Holmes did it, doesn't mean that every reliever and major league baseball can do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: The strike rate was was higher than it's been the last couple years from the fastball, like the slider command is good.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess for the fastball shape isn't very good.

[SPEAKER_02]: The forcing are got crushed last year.

[SPEAKER_02]: So why would you then want to extend that out to try to turn over lineups when it's a two pitch mix.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really get this one.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like it's just agents.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a new thing that they're doing to just try to squeeze out some extra value in their guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: like first it was, I mean, Jeff Hoffman right was Hoffman ever going to start a game for the Toronto Blue Jays.

[SPEAKER_01]: No Jordan Hicks like that was a failed attempt at the starting pitching thing, but at least they had a track record there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hellsley hasn't started games in the big leagues.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just it nauseates me that we look at a guy's mix and say, yeah, you know what, he can be a starting pitcher.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, let him get back to throwing 100 and let him be a dominant closer.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: Brother Araldis Chapman was starting games in the minor leagues was anybody going to sign Araldis Chapman to be a starter absolutely freaking knots home stretch here.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got about six minutes left.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about the braves in a moment on the just baseball show.

[SPEAKER_01]: wrap it up, the just baseball show here, Jack McFullin, arm late and by talking about the Atlanta Braves, who have started to be sneakily active.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one of them was an interesting deal for rice selling glacias.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rice selling glacias is back in Atlanta.

[SPEAKER_01]: A glacias got a one year, 16 million dollar deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of money for a guy that is, [SPEAKER_01]: in the 10 to 15 range when you were to power bank closers and major league baseball, right sell is a very, very talented closer and he has been a reliable closer for the Atlanta Braves here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But bringing him back on $16 million.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there were other pieces you could have pursued for that price point.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, like how important do you feel like loyalty was here for Atlanta and bringing him back?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think a little bit, I think a big part of it, too, is them betting on the Ryzele Glacius that you got kind of the rest of the way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you look at the final.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, basically, from Lungi, gave up a run on July, 26.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then from that point forward, 27 appearances at Glacius, he said, is 0.34 ERA, and 26 and 23rds innings.

[SPEAKER_02]: 27 strikeouts, one earned run.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, it really looked like he was kind of one bad, a little stretch for him.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even when he go over the final 45 appearances from him, which is 43 in the third earnings, he pitched to a 1.25 ERA, 30% strikeout rate, 6% walk rate.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the familiarity is important, but I think you blend that with the fact that he was kind of back to prime Roséla Glacius in the second half plus of the season.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd say more than the second half of the season.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the part that I think they're buying into here and saying maybe some other teams are looking at the cumulative numbers, but based on what we saw from the rest of the season, he may have been worth more than that and you know, opponents in the final 45 appearances from him slash 137 196 178 a triple one slash line for 374 OPS is pretty crazy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is, it is pretty nuts.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, rice sale made a lot of sense to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing about Atlanta that made a lot of sense to me was swapping Nick Allen for utility help.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I loved this trade for the Atlanta Braves.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen anything reported otherwise.

[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, it's just a straight swap.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mauricio Dubon goes from Houston to Atlanta for Nick Allen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Allen was the everyday shortstop for the Atlanta Braves, and he provided literally the worst off-fensive production from any shortstop in Major League Baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was a black hole in the nine spot for Atlanta offensively.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he was one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball.

[SPEAKER_01]: They prioritize that.

[SPEAKER_01]: How far did that get him this year?

[SPEAKER_01]: They finished fourth [SPEAKER_01]: I look at Maricio Dubon and I say, slam the upgrade button here for the Atlanta Bricks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Houston gets a good backup shortstop to Jeremy Payne, if Payne has to miss time that feels like an okay stop gap.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there's so many things that Dubon can do for a major league baseball team and the Astros loved him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Their fan base loved him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Atlanta is going to love bringing Mauricio Dubon in and you look at the OPS like it's not awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a mid 600s.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy does so many other things outside of just, you know, slug and walk that make you feel good about what Dubon can bring to a baseball team.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and you maybe don't have to address shortstop, but you also can still address shortstop and then put him somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he's a good insurance policy if Free agency doesn't go the way that you think or the trade market doesn't go the way that you think.

[SPEAKER_02]: where, okay, we can plug Dubon and it's short where he's gonna grade out still strong defensively.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Dubon's gonna grade out well defense with literally every single position.

[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of similar to the bellinger thing we were talking about, where, if you go to the mat, you can plug several different holes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously it's not as sexy, but with Dubon, like you can plug him in at several different spots here and fill different, [SPEAKER_02]: gaps that you may have depending on how the offseason goes for you if you're if you're the raves and not I understand that they've found some value in the gallon and you know for what they got them for it was worth it, but I think they realized they needed a little bit more offense and I think they're probably going to still aim higher for the primary shortstop, but if it doesn't you know work out in terms of a bargain or a good opportunity, you know, then they could plug doom on there and feel okay about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have to assume that Atlanta is entertaining the idea of a reunion with Hassan Kim.

[SPEAKER_01]: It went actually pretty well at the end of the 25 season, but as it stands right now, do bonds or shortstop.

[SPEAKER_01]: If Kim can play shortstop, and you have to do bond is this hyper utility guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you float Ozzy all these in trade?

[SPEAKER_01]: I honestly would not float him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would try to retain him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would keep all these, and I would have do bond fill out that bench that was really bad last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right now your projected bench is Vidal Bruhan, Brett Weisley, Michael Ciani, and Eli White.

[SPEAKER_01]: that's not good enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dubon is your bench, your everyday, come off the bench utility piece.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like is really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got about a minute here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the braves make that serious run at Kim or via the trademark it?

[SPEAKER_02]: I still think they do.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think now it's almost to bond gives them leverage right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like every single time they go for a player at a different position they're going to say, oh well, we've got Dubon right like so like [SPEAKER_02]: where we're okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're not desperate for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I still think they make a run at cam.

[SPEAKER_02]: I still think they make a run at a couple other short stops.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then they have the fallback here being able to plug in, you know, Dubon is, I think in a perfect world, these are super utility guy for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think what the braves are looking at is saying, we got, we had injuries that so many different spots.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we need a better player than what we've been plugging in to actually be able to fill in at these spots.

[SPEAKER_02]: And now Dubon can be that guy if anybody gets [SPEAKER_02]: But he's also an option if, you know, you don't want to overpay for a specific position as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's been your just baseball show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys so much for joining us.

[SPEAKER_01]: A bit of a light week with Thanksgiving here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll talk to you a little bit later this week as always.

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