[SPEAKER_02]: We gave podcasts that we called that's a gay ass podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a gay ass name for gay ass podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to That's a gay ass podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: The podcast that asks who's fault is it that your gay babe?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's me, Eric Williams, and this week's guest is a celebrity astrologer, Aliza Kelly.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's a work with Drew Barrymore, Kiki Palmer, Bella Hadid, and now my gay ass.

[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of, we did record this a few days before my 36th birthday, which was September 21st.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a bit of a therapy session.

[SPEAKER_02]: In addition to a giggle fast and astrology deep dive.

[SPEAKER_02]: So please enjoy the dream that is Elisa Kelly.

[SPEAKER_02]: it's gay christmas on that's a gay as podcast because we have a celeb astrologer alisa cali here and i i need to tell you a couple things number one i am in astrology gay but elementary i'm a huge believer but i i've never been able to talk to somebody like you and also my birthday is in three days so i feel like i'm really [SPEAKER_02]: celebrating this new year with a pro.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming on us a gay us podcast at least a Kelly how the hell are you my gosh.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so excited for us to have this conversation right on the precipice of your birthday.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's really important birthday this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I guess I'm not no burying the lead here, but you know that your birthday corresponds with an eclipse this year, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that'll lead for us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it does.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is that meaning that, like, there's, I need to really tap into, what does it mean if it, my birth is happening during another.

[SPEAKER_01]: The short of it is that when you have a birthday, so for our listeners, every birthday that you experience, [SPEAKER_01]: you get a special chart for that year.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's called a solar return chart.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that solar return chart is a snapshot of the sky at the exact moment that the sun is in the exact place it was when you were born in the year you were born, but then all the other planets are different, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So so the sun we look to see when the sun is completely aligned.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the solar return aspect of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then we look to see where all of the other planets are.

[SPEAKER_01]: So for this year it would be [SPEAKER_01]: where the other planets in 2025.

[SPEAKER_01]: And for you, that is going to be corresponding with an eclipse, which means that this next year of your life is going to have that eclipse energy infused in it.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is a eclipse energy?

[SPEAKER_01]: It is change.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is growth.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is transformation.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's big endings.

[SPEAKER_01]: Big beginnings.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's a year to remember.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pivotal year.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been feeling that like I've been having some dare I say growing pains and I'm a big therapy girly and I feel like astrology is sort of like a sister of therapy where it really like helps you look within and feel empowered because if we're being honest I am the type of girly who always knew I think my purpose deep down but had to deal with like layers and layers and layers of [SPEAKER_02]: shame, self-doubt, insecurity, need for validation.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of, of course, is like being gay, growing up in Missouri.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think what a lot of our listeners are going to be excited to hear about is how someone like me can sort of use my clearness as, like, of course, our superpower, but also like the baggage that a lot of us are working through from feeling sort of [SPEAKER_02]: other would you say that astrology and queerness like how do you think queer people can find meaning astrology?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well you know I think that and I actually I'm I might get a little emotional because I was thinking about this last night and it was bringing up a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also I love thinking of astrology as sort of like the sister science to therapy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I went into therapy at the same time I started learning astrology.

[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, this expression of self-exploration through astrology has always been paramount in my practice.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that when as it relates to self-discovery, as it relates to identity, as it relates to queerness, as it relates to exploring this purpose and self-hood [SPEAKER_01]: unique journey in this lifetime.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that what astrology can offer is this deep compassion for who we are and compassion cultivates courage.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are not going to be brave unless we are first compassion it with ourselves.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, if we're being honest, I say some hate full shit to myself.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it that's part of like one of my constant conversation with therapy is like who's voice is that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Who's voice is that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Who is saying that?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of it is like the very obvious like people that you would think I'm hearing from growing up, but I think that [SPEAKER_02]: I can feel when I'm tapped into my own compassion because it does lead to confidence and like conviction and what I'm doing because I think at the end of the day a lot of my fears are that I don't know myself.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I can't read my own gut and I think that I obviously can and I've worked so hard to be able to hear my gut louder than the critics and the hateful shit [SPEAKER_01]: But if you also said that you know who you are and you do feel you know who you are.

[SPEAKER_01]: So do you feel that there's this that's at the core of your onion at the core as you know who you are.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's layers above that where you're like, I'm not sure if I.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can listen to my intuition.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what my intuition is telling me exactly it.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I knew since I was a kid that I was like meant to entertain Tell a story make people laugh have a big impact on this world, but layers and layers and layers and layers of like [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but do you deserve anything?

[SPEAKER_02]: Are you a hack?

[SPEAKER_02]: Are you a freak?

[SPEAKER_02]: Should you, honestly, like, like, this podcast, when I first put this podcast out, people have listened for a long time have heard this, but I freaked out the first calendar year of this podcast because every week I would have to ask myself, is it bad and my bad who cares?

[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, should I be doing this?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why am I putting out an interview?

[SPEAKER_02]: when there are so many other gay guys with podcasts, like I was like there's already last culture, this is why my gay guy doing this, which of course was my own limited thinking, but that's like some of the onion layers that I constantly work through.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I something that I think about often that one of my mentors shared many years ago, which was so invaluable was you don't just listen to one artist on a playlist, you know, you want to know different musicians and musical artists, like you don't want to just have one artist that you default to, all the time, forever.

[SPEAKER_01]: So in the same way, like [SPEAKER_01]: even if you are, you know, me as an astrologer, there's other astrologers out there, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but good, because you want to have new voices, you want to have different voices, you want to have different perspectives, you know, you want to have podcasts that may be are adjacent where they're focused on queerness, they're focused on pop culture, they're focused on like different perspectives of what that experience is.

[SPEAKER_01]: but it's good to have different perspectives.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just have one.

[SPEAKER_01]: So even the range within your niche is really important and significant.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so clear to me that you are so good at your job because I think that even before we get into the specifics of the astrology stuff, I think you're so good at helping people find perspective.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm already seeing that you can zoom out in ways that I think a lot of times I [SPEAKER_02]: Zoom, Zoom, Zoom, Zoom, Zoom, and then all I can see is like I can't see the force for the trees, but before we get into some specific astrology, since I am hosting a gay ass podcast, I would love to ask you a Lisa Kelly, my gay ass podcast question, which was, who was your first gay?

[SPEAKER_02]: Was it someone on television, a class mate, and high school?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I mean, well, [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess my first gay is my uncle, who I share a birthday was, and then his son who came out before he did, which was gay, yeah, which was D.

What?

[SPEAKER_02]: I need the NBC sitcom yesterday.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, it's really cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're part of my LA fan, but I grew up in New York [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very grateful for having been exposed to lots of different types of people when I from the time I was really young.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would say like really my first gay may have been a shopkeeper who worked at this vintage store on the upper west side.

[SPEAKER_01]: His name was Allen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Allen and Susie's was the name of the store.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember like [SPEAKER_01]: It was like an outing to go there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would make my mom take me as if we were going to the playground.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, I want to go to Alan and Susie's because the store, and this was born in 1989, like you Eric.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like early 90s New York City.

[SPEAKER_01]: weird like it's it's really different that it looks today in the city right like it's really characters and eccentric and people doing very interesting avant-garde things and there was always some like huge sculptural display in the store window and like big personalities shopping there [SPEAKER_01]: You know, who I later learned, it was like a great drag shop, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So like I would go and be exposed to all of these beautiful amazing people who all had these like big personalities.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as we know, because, you know, drag story time is so important and such an amazing thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like drag personas are really exciting and inspiring and electrifying for a little kid, you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how old would you say that you were when you were going to the [SPEAKER_01]: And then Rocky Horror became my favorite movie when I was eight, which now, as like a new mom, myself, I'm like, when do I show?

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, when do I show to Lula, Rocky Horror?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is eight the appropriate age?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm like playing it back.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, is, is that the right time to show and Rocky Horror?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I used to dress up as Columbia and go to the 12th Street, make my mom go with me to the 12th Street theater.

[SPEAKER_01]: at midnight for the midnight shows when I was eight years old and I would always get called out because they were like, how old are you kid and I'd be like 10.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was not even 10.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, gay culture and art and, you know, John Waters, divine polyester, like all of it was like so in it's so in my DNA.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so deep in there.

[SPEAKER_02]: It makes so much sense and I do think that a lot of kids who grew up in New York City are a different breed because they were exposed to so many different, because you know, a lot of us who did not grow up in a big city like New York only saw the same type of people for the first 18 years of their lives.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I knew one out gay person and he was barely out.

[SPEAKER_02]: His name is Ernesto.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was the guy who cut my whole family's hair and we would talk about his partner as like his friend.

[SPEAKER_02]: that was like the only gay person that I knew.

[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, you're at eight years old going to Rocky Horror Showings, going to your Queenie friends thrift store on the Upper West Side, and I didn't get to do that until I was 19 years old.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it makes so much sense that you have this gorgeous gay ass world view because it's just been a part of your normal existence since you were a kid.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I do feel incredibly grateful for all of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, truly, just for like having all of these cultural touch points, you know, being able to be exposed to people who are doing different things and and proud of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And challenging the status quo, but also being fabulous and being like and looking stunning and having style and just being themselves, you know, that permission to be oneself is is so so impactful and I also I do want to call out one more.

[SPEAKER_01]: important and really deeply meaningful exposure that I had.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is no pun intended to this is that I went to an art high school in the city as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was predominantly gay and which school was a professional performing art school.

[SPEAKER_02]: come on professional school.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the reason something that we did in my school that I didn't really acknowledge and understand for many many years of how important it was is that we there's an AIDS walk every year.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we that whole week we had AIDS week.

[SPEAKER_01]: in our school, which was basically all lectures and panels and conversations like all regular school programming shut down because it was an art high school and because AIDS was so damaging in the city and so many of our teachers came from that time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was really sort of this like awareness of how do you protect yourself and what are the conversations and [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and there were kids in my class who's parents died of AIDS, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So understanding how to have that conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize how important and impactful it would be until 2020 when there's another global pandemic and everyone's like these things don't happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, wait, I have.

[SPEAKER_01]: understanding of how to community care from this and that like understanding the community care and again I'm just in a very emotional space like I think that that and is one of my what that's something that [SPEAKER_01]: in queer communities is so beautiful and so meaningful and we all should be looking to and learning a lot from as a society.

[SPEAKER_02]: I agree and I think it's kind of the let's just say the one of the only positive [SPEAKER_02]: outcomes of devastation, like the AIDS crisis, is the ability for a community to come together and build each other up and be survivors.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's partly why it's so nice to be an adult gay person to be like, oh wow, [SPEAKER_02]: I had to go through the shit I went through as a kid, to be able to now shun the straight parts of the world that don't speak to me and create my own reality that feels really delicious.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that something as devastating as the AIDS crisis created a, yeah, a culture of [SPEAKER_02]: community building and actually realizing what is important in life, which is not telling people how to live their lives, but actually just banding together.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to get into some specific questions because it would not be a smart for me to have a Lisa Kelly on that to be as podcasts and not get into some of my own personal astrological shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Where do you like to start when it comes to looking at a birth chart?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like when you looked at mine, it's something jump out at you or is it helpful if I'm like, here's a specific question.

[SPEAKER_01]: Both, but I will definitely lead us in in that you gave me at birth.

[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, you gave me a co-star table.

[SPEAKER_01]: T.

I hate co-star.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have so many pants.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't feel right here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you also gave me a rising sign that is not your real rising sign.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is important because I incorporate all of this into the understanding of a chart.

[SPEAKER_01]: And because astrology is a symbolic language to me there is this really beautiful and interesting correlation between what you were saying of like I do know who I am, but sometimes I doubt myself sometimes I question myself sometimes I'm unsure and you gave me [SPEAKER_01]: an incorrect birth chart, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, that is so, I say the thing called tank their no coincidences, like there's a synchronicity in that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And being like, I know who I am, but then I have these touch points that are inaccurate.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what I would love for us to do is, [SPEAKER_01]: actually like give you some truths about yourself, which is really just going to be me mirroring it back to you because we've already know them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you've been working with the wrong birth chart, no wonder it's like all of these things are proving the fact that like, yeah, you have to like fully embrace who you are.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get the info right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Tank bitch, there are no coincidencies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if for anybody who doesn't know what actually, the team what happened is that I sent a list of like my, my birthday, the time of my birth, where, and then you responded like, um, your time here is not correlating to the same birth chart that co-star says.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought my rising was Libra and it turns out it is actually torus.

[SPEAKER_01]: that's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not all, you know, because your rising sign is the architecture of your entire chart.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is set up based on your rising sign.

[SPEAKER_01]: So an inaccurate rising sign is an inaccurate chart, like the whole thing is voided.

[SPEAKER_01]: So all of those, you know, and I know with co-starts the table, but all of those placements of saying like your [SPEAKER_01]: you know, your son is in whatever house like all of it is wrong, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just the rising.

[SPEAKER_02]: So really I'm like starting fresh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Starting fresh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what honestly makes sense because if I'm being fully transparent, I have had a lot of, uh, [SPEAKER_02]: crisis in my brain about my own self worth when it comes to like career.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have thought that because I have a day job.

[SPEAKER_02]: That luckily it's, I've like, I'm like doing less and less, but because I have a day job and I can't do my art and my, [SPEAKER_02]: creative shit full time that I'm a failure.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I've been really working through those feelings of like, okay, actually, I'm able to put my whole pussy into my career.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can I now have this podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have a solo show that I, it's like basically me trauma dumping for an hour through stand up and I'm really, really proud of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm doing it again in a month in LA.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing it eventually at a really cool place in New York that I've been trying to make happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like the world is opening up itself to me, but there's been a lot of growing pains and a lot of self-doubt that I then climb myself out of.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think this like restarting my astrological chart does make sense because I do think I'm like finding out who I am as a confident person for the first time, Eva.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like, even just hearing you say, I can't do it, you know, that's that's not true.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, if your will is to be fully profitable from your art.

[SPEAKER_01]: hold on abundant and prosperous from your art, which as fuck from your art, then you can.

[SPEAKER_01]: You will.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just strategizing, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's in the season, you know, you're doing what you can to figure out how you're going to also like cover all your bases, but you can and you will.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the timing, [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I've been realizing because I hit a milestone for people who listen to the podcast a lot of these gorgeous listeners go to Substack for these bonus episodes and they pay you know it's like five it's five bucks a month, but I actually reach a point where I'm [SPEAKER_02]: uh, surpassing what I was making on Patreon before, which I moved everyone over from Patreon, a sub-stack, blah, blah, blah, all this to say like, I'm actually making like, you know, after like, I get like another like 80 paid subscribers, I can pay my rent from that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like, oh wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like once I hit that benchmark and I'm paying my rent from just this gorgeous community.

[SPEAKER_02]: that I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and that happened just a few days ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, yeah, I'm starting to see like, oh, it's not just me saying, Mom, just to myself, but I do think one day, I do know that one day I'll be able to do this full time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

[SPEAKER_01]: And not just full time for the sake of full time, but like a bundling, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well that's what I'm manifested.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've always said and people can feel free to say this is monstrous, but I have literally told my friends, even when I was a starving actor doing a musical for 400 bucks a week.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like one day, I'm gonna be very wealthy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel it in my gut.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm going to, I told my manifestation is that I'm going to reach a point where like a gorgeous deal goes through and I'm going to take a group of my friends to reveal an Italy.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's, I've been saying that for years and I'm, and I'm, man, I, I make not good money now.

[SPEAKER_02]: However, I'm manifesting that and I, I know it's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, save the date, because it's coming, block your calendar, and also obviously you can't go to Italy without inviting an astrologer, so we're going to need our health.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's talk about your chart a little bit, because I'm very glad that we have the correct information.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is a powerhouse of a chart with lots of heaviness and [SPEAKER_01]: intensity that you know because you live it and you feel it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when you learn how to unlock it, it's going, there's no stopping you, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say that there's like two [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's, there's two primary things that I want to share with you.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one is really apropos because you are having your solar return on a solar eclipse.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's with this new birth time, this correct birth chart you gave me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your rising sign is 25 degrees Taurus, which means that you're, [SPEAKER_01]: Rising sign, you're ascendant is 25 degrees Taurus, you're descendant, which is the opposite is 25 degrees Scorpio.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, you know, if you were looking at this as if it was a clock, it would be the 9 o'clock and the 3 o'clock position.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like the horizontal line.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: ascendant is your mission in this life.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the tourist mission.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your descendant is how external situations allow you to sort of become the fully realized version of you.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the descendant.

[SPEAKER_01]: So already tourists, Scorpio, we're talking about how do we, we're talking about value.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's tourists.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about how do we protect ourselves?

[SPEAKER_01]: How do we keep ourselves safe?

[SPEAKER_01]: How do we anchor ourselves?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not bullshit no surface level like I want to get to the bottom of things I want to unpack I want to uncover so for you those are one and of the same and the more that you can go deep uncover tell your truth [SPEAKER_01]: not hide, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Figure out how you get your power, like how you enter, like, you have your villain origin story, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So now what do you do with it?

[SPEAKER_01]: How do you move, how do you actualize an alchemize that villain origin story so that it's something that actually, like, [SPEAKER_01]: changes your reality today, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It can't just be like a sad story.

[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be an empowering story.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: I totally get it because it makes a lot of sense that this is we're talking now because my villain origin story simply put is that growing up my biggest bully [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, wait until you find out the rest of the chart.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't fucking be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I bring this up because my solo show is literally that is the arc of the story.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I can say that because my brother and I have grown so much, he's grown to be such an incredible parent and person and all of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I really grew up being like, [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fucking freak.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am a fucking freak and so I have been ever since coming out and doing this podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: My mission has been to like, yes, ask the hard questions and and talk about our deep baggage and my sexual shame and my looked at the that and use it as like a way to fucking make people feel seen but also make them laugh and say things that are like towing the line and [SPEAKER_02]: all of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's a lot of intensity to my feelings and baggage that I constantly work through.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the reason that I like lost it is because one of the other thing that I want to share with you in your chart, and I'm jumping around a little bit, so I want to get back to another thing, but you are a Gemini moon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?

[SPEAKER_02]: I have had seen that, but I had not really clocked like what that meant ever.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the short answer is not really.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Gemini Moon is the twins.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your Moon is your emotional inner world.

[SPEAKER_01]: And your Moon is at 29 degrees of Gemini.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's sort of how deep into a sign.

[SPEAKER_01]: Something is, is the degrees and a sign goes from 0 to 29.

[SPEAKER_01]: So 29 is the last place it can be.

[SPEAKER_01]: 29 is called the anaerotic degree.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very energetic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your son is also at 29 degrees.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your son is at 29 degrees of Virgo.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gemini and Virgo create a very hard aspect called a square.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you have a sun moon square.

[SPEAKER_01]: in your chart and a sun moon square in your chart is having this this battle between your external reality that's the sun and your internal emotional world that's the moon.

[SPEAKER_01]: And with the moon being in Gemini, the sign of the twins, it's the duality aspect of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like [SPEAKER_01]: there is this personal battle that you have around your duality, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Around that you are someone who has multitudes and maybe for you that was quite literally expressed is like there's me and then there's this like other me that's shaming me and it's like me looking back at myself judging me and saying that like there's something wrong with this me, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the it's the physical manifestation of the duality.

[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't really put it into perspective like that, but that absolutely was part of the fuckery of like, wait a minute, I'm growing up with this person.

[SPEAKER_02]: We share a bedroom, we're in the same school in the same class, but the way that he is moving through the world.

[SPEAKER_02]: is clearly more valuable and accepted than me, but I just happen to be me, but the me, like the crazy context is that my twin brother is five foot four, I'm six foot two, my entire family are short people.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I am the only gay tall theater freak of the family.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I have always, yeah, I felt like this bumping of like, well, am I allowed to be the tall gay ass person when I'm like, like, that's a gift, but like, of course.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now I know it absolutely, but like it was years of like, [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't think the way that I was created was as celebrated as the people I'm constantly surrounded by.

[SPEAKER_01]: right, right, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and it's, and that is the Bizarro world because then you leave this place where you're from and suddenly like you are the, you know, the Icarol of town, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like, that's not the right context.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like something's wrong with that environment, not like you are perfect.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you were in an imperfect environment, recognized feeling like that you were the imperfect one in that, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it definitely took me to like, I went to NYU for college and immediately felt this like giant paradigm shift.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I moved to LA four years ago from New York because I really felt this need to create a change in my life and my life has definitely exploded since moving to LA.

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like the right time at the right place.

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I've gone from these sort of imperfect worlds to better worlds to now like this is where I meant to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this journey of finding yourself in spaces also very important, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: What kinds of physical spaces allow you to exist as yourself and not like, [SPEAKER_01]: in a house with a twin brother and everything is like tiny sized and just like not not at the scale that we're talking about here, not the scale of also even what the impact that you want to have is, which is also another thing that you feel, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you want to do big things, you can't do that when you're like in a tiny little Midwestern village, you know, like [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's giving body the off.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is, which is my biggest when I, as an actress, I did the National Tour of Alpha, the musical playing body the off and it was very, wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's all very it's all very on the nose.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and I'm a Jew.

[SPEAKER_02]: So saying on the nose is even [SPEAKER_01]: just, yeah, added, added, added, all the layers.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the other thing I wanted to share that I want to make sure I do is that when we talk about this year or being a very important one with the Eclipse is this 25 degree tourists, this 25 degree Scorpio, um, [SPEAKER_01]: descendant, right, these 25 degree points.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are making a very important shape with the North and South nodes in your chart, which have to do with destiny, which are in your chart of 25 degrees, Aquarius 25 degrees of Leo.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of these 25 degree points are in thick science.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what this means is that when the nodes of destiny get activated in the sky, ever at all, it changes things in your life because you are not someone who works just like in a casual, like this is maybe a better way of as describing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: For you, it's better for you to have huge radical life altering swings that bulldoze through your reality and change everything in these like massive drama fest than it is to like slowly chip away at something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Having like a bulldozer moment or wrecking ball, that kind of like [SPEAKER_01]: in an instant at once better because and you will see that more gets done in those huge instances than if you're chipping away because like we get slow instead of you wins the race and you're a Virgo you don't need me to explain it to you like all you ever doing is like hammering away but you can become too self critical of the hammering away right?

[SPEAKER_01]: You could be kind of like well today was today productive enough and what even is productive enough like even cares yeah we know that like luck and timing and meeting the right person in the right environment and the right moment like all of that makes a bigger difference than like chip chip chipping away right like you have to be ready for those big things and that's why the chipping works but the chipping isn't what's going to move the needle like big crazy things that happen move the needle.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what this year is going to be for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: This next 12 months is going to be big breakthroughs, big turning points, beginnings, endings, meeting people, like having saying yes to things.

[SPEAKER_01]: So my invitation for you is to like just try to say yes to as many things as possible to put yourself in unusual situations so that you can be ready for these big [SPEAKER_02]: truly I'm smiling so big because I it's it's it's really affirming because anytime I have felt [SPEAKER_02]: a really deep connection to purpose is after big swings.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, for example, launching the podcast, even though I was scared, shitless, I knew in my gut.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was the right big move or the first time I did a live show, it was a different show.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I was, I'm not joking, in fighter flight.

[SPEAKER_02]: every minute leading up to it and then it completely changed my life because it gave me the ability to like do more life shows and now the solar show is blah blah blah blah blah like it really and moving to LA was a big swing that completely changed like I do I just a resonated with me I I might brain wants to only chip away because it feels safer but I know that what you're saying is completely correct the big swings make the big difference.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the big milestones, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the big touch points in your life where you're like, and then everything changed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say that as I'm part of what I'm working on, and it's probably as part of a Virgo thing, is that I have had a very, very tight grip on just about everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I inherited a lot of it from just like being a US, growing up with very hardworking, pragmatic people, whom I love, but I think like I've had a, I've white knuckled so much of my life.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been naturally starting to loosen my grip a little bit, but I can feel like those same thoughts of saying you're not valuable or you're not doing the right thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what starts to tighten the grip again.

[SPEAKER_02]: But do you think that the work that I'm doing to loosen my grip?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is it is that like the right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I always advise loosening the grip.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that [SPEAKER_01]: It's an indication that it's not a trustworthy situation.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not something that we feel safe in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because and that feeling of not being safe could come from past traumas, or it could be of the real circumstances and conditions or not, [SPEAKER_01]: We shouldn't we can't lean into them and relax into it either way.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have to acknowledge it and work on it, you know, um, there's moments in our life where we have to really like go hard, right, like we are putting a presentation together.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are trying to get a job, we are trying to impress somebody, we're trying to like we're we have to sort of like put all of our efforts into showing that we believe in ourselves and this is why someone else should believe in us too.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that is not the same as white knuckling.

[SPEAKER_01]: That actually in the energy around that has to come from this place of like, I know I deserve this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me give this my all to show you why I would be amazing for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not white knuckling, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: White knuckling actually doesn't give us a lot of creative space to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because we don't have that ability to sort of like flex and expand and showcase [SPEAKER_01]: when we are so constricted and and trying to hold everything together so tightly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me ask this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have also struggled with and I'm sure some people listening struggle with the idea of taking up too much space like that we should not be um I think I don't know maybe it's probably being like being gay and growing up being told that you have to survive.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have to fit in and so a lot of times I [SPEAKER_02]: struggle with.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, wait, if I'm listening my grip and I'm being more confident, am I being a quote unquote monster?

[SPEAKER_02]: Am I being a ego maniac?

[SPEAKER_02]: Am I being a diva?

[SPEAKER_02]: Am I being selfish?

[SPEAKER_02]: But I again, no, in my gut that I am not, but the fears come in of like if you take up too much space, you are asking too much of the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we, [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that being a kind person has nothing to do with taking up too much space.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that being a generous person is really important and being thoughtful about making sure that people, everyone has an opportunity to talk and that you're listening and you're being gracious and you're being humble and you're being, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, just like, grateful, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but that has nothing to do with having a big personality, being an artist, being a creative, making a statement, wanting to be controversial, being controversial, just being who you are.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like none of those things have anything to do with being a kind and compassionate person in the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that we know that like artists and creatives and people who [SPEAKER_01]: make a really big impact in culture and in changing culture are distinct, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: They have distinctive personalities, they have distinctive energies, they have distinctive styles, and certainly like they would have been bullied in a really scary suburban high school context for that, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because in that setting, when we're all teenagers, homogeneity is safe.

[SPEAKER_01]: But part of us, you know, growing up and embracing who we are is recognizing that like that's really boring.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if we're creative people, we don't want to be boring.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to be fit.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to just fit in.

[SPEAKER_01]: We want to stand out because we want to be making art that has makes a statement.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as artists, of course, our art is going to be different because every single soul is different, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: outlets to express our uniqueness it's very important.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's also important to acknowledge that being different is a good thing and it's not unsafe.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's right, but like also acknowledge that if you came from an environment where that was unsafe, like you had to survive [SPEAKER_01]: And it makes sense that we still are trying to figure out like am I safe enough to be myself here?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[SPEAKER_02]: When you say that there's like a heaviness to my chart and an intensity, do you give advice to people for how to harness that intensity?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it really is and this is the magic of astrology.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's everything that we're talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I say that you feel it, [SPEAKER_01]: these conversations that you're inviting are a reflection of what if we were to take the technical terms who would call them oppositions, we would call them squares, we would sort of give them these geometric shapes in astrology to describe them, but the lived experiences everything you're saying, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Am I taking up too much space?

[SPEAKER_01]: I struggle with feeling like [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good enough to be myself, I struggle with the self-doubt, with feeling like there's something wrong with me for having a job.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not just being able to live my life through this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like all of what you're describing is reflected in your chart in the form of Sun Square Moon.

[SPEAKER_01]: Having your ascendant and descendant, squaring your north and south nodes of fate.

[SPEAKER_01]: The heaviness in your chart is that you know that you are meant [SPEAKER_01]: to do amazing things and yet there's pushback in your chart that makes you question your timing, your path, the choices that you've made, who you are, how you're going to accomplish it, but the cool thing about having a chart that has that depth to it is that you can be so compassionate in recognizing those struggles as universal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody who just has this easy, breezy chart and always feels like everything they do is right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard for them to understand the collective consciousness, because the collective consciousness is one of everything you're describing, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Doubt, fear, disappointment, rejection, that is what we all are experiencing.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is what violence comes from, right, is us not metabolizing [SPEAKER_01]: and finding awareness for it and then redirecting it in these like very low vibration, reptilian brain ways, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But the universal experience is that we are all struggling to figure out how do I live the life that my soul wants me to live?

[SPEAKER_01]: How do I find the spaces and the self-acceptance to do that?

[SPEAKER_01]: And in your pursuit of doing it, you are helping other people feel as you said, less alone, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: You are helping people be like, wait, I'm not the only person who's feeling like, when is this all going to happen and take shape?

[SPEAKER_01]: And articulating your struggle, I mean, communication as a Virgo is something that as a Virgo son and as a Gemini Moon, both very heavy mercurial communication based signs, like that's a gift of yours, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So articulating bringing people into this journey, creating community around the journey, is part of what is going to, is part of your mission, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of helping other people feel and and participate in something that is a universal experience.

[SPEAKER_02]: That makes so much sense and I am breathing all of this and feeling so grateful that I think the universe that need to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I need to quickly acknowledge that Nathaniel our gorgeous gas producer also produces Jonathan Vanessa's show and was so obsessed with your reading of JVN and I actually mentioned that Nathaniel I was [SPEAKER_02]: following you and looking at your stuff and I was like I think it'd be amazing to have Alisa on and he was like without a shadow of a doubt we need to have her on and you are just such a fucking I just I think you were sent by the universe.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really do I think so too because it's almost your birthday and it's gonna be a really big year It's gonna be a life-changing year for you [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any, but since we're only a few minutes left, do you have any advice or do I have to do anything to put myself in the position to welcome in these changes?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, definitely like, you know, as I mentioned, saying, yes, to things, putting yourself in unusual unfamiliar situations, so that you can sort of see what is out there and what's available to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I would say, let me look at your, let me get your actual solar return chart really quickly out here.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're in Los Angeles?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's such a nice chart for this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like, I'm like shook with how this is going to be a year that changes your life.

[SPEAKER_01]: So in, so you have the Sun, Moon, North, No, and Mercury, all in your 10th house of career this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so two, you're a Sagittarius rising this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely like trying to expand your horizons, both in terms of going to different places, meeting people from different places, making connections like for some reason I just got this like whole Europe download for you in this moment of like maybe there's a festival, maybe it's a fringe in Europe or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, something [SPEAKER_01]: broadening and expanding the community even more.

[SPEAKER_01]: But also your spiritual horizons, your philosophical horizons, like just like being sort of like coming into like stepping into sort of like a student space of like I want to learn.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to understand.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also giving like a good vice docu series, you know, of the golden era of like what does it mean for Eric to like be on a mission right and to take us on this mission of discovery and then maybe part of that is also continuing to, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: We talk about this a lot when we go through our Saturn return, but you have Saturn in a very prominent position in your chart for this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's opposite the Sun and Moon at the base of your chart in the fourth house of home and family.

[SPEAKER_01]: So my advice is to become your own daddy.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what does it mean to really daddy yourself?

[SPEAKER_01]: And when I say daddy, I don't just mean like [SPEAKER_01]: sexy daddy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean also like protector daddy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean daddy who's like, we're doing this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I got you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look after you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you like here's how I'm going to, here's how I'm going to set you up for success in your life, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Basically all the ways that I try to seek validation and other things really get it from my daddy within.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're in her daddy.

[SPEAKER_02]: my inner daddy.

[SPEAKER_02]: God, that's so fucking good, Aliza.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just giving snaps of gratitude.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just, yeah, I want to say thank you, thank you, thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I do want to ask you the final podcast question before we run out of this interview.

[SPEAKER_02]: As a gay ass podcast, a gay journalist.

[SPEAKER_02]: Aliza Kelly, if the world was ending, you could only save one character, actress.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who would you save?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to save and this is really out of left field.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to save Michelle Fiverr.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is beautifully out of left field.

[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me why Michelle Fiverr is a cat woman?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's cat woman, but it's also a scar face.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, Michelle Fiverr.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of cultural touchstones for Michelle Fiverr.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not only, of course, are you naming the big ones, but she was also in the genre of old hair spray movie music, which I think is very important.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, Greece, [SPEAKER_02]: And I need to shout out my gay husband, Matthew, did dress up as catwoman for Halloween a few years ago, and it was one of the hottest, most amazing costumes ever.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Michelle Fighther is a character actress worth saving, a Lisa, what a gorgeous answer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a download.

[SPEAKER_02]: really, really well done.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to say, every step of this interview has been a slay.com.

[SPEAKER_02]: Will you please tell our listeners where to follow you and there's anything you would like to clear.

[SPEAKER_01]: Follow me everywhere at Alisa Kelly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the internet believe it or not.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I also have my own podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Horoscope Weekly and new episodes come out every Monday and then on Wednesdays It's the Astrology which is when you talk about what astrology actually means for you [SPEAKER_02]: Hell, Vulcan, yeah, everybody go season two, just drop the force completely.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a great podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Alisa has amazing work in the cut and her Instagram is divine.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the links are all in the description.

[SPEAKER_02]: Alisa Kelly, this has been such an amazing birthday gift, gay ask gift, and I'm so endless and grateful to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I honestly, I think we should maybe like in a year, or after this next year, we should do a reunion and talk about [SPEAKER_02]: how everything has changed for me, and I can't wait to tell you how to talk about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when we're like giant studio and yeah, like for real, and we're like, we have that like Wayne's world moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're manifesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're just planning.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're planning.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're scheduling.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's we're blocking the calendar and Alisa Kelly stay gay and stay fabbush.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for joining me on that's a gay ass podcast if you enjoyed this interview with Alisa Kelly let me know either in the comments on YouTube or do me a favour and leave a five star review on Apple podcasts or Spotify.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to get those numbers here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of gorgeous numbers, we've got our next bonus episode on Substack with Bradley Gibson.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was Symba in the Lion King on Broadway.

[SPEAKER_02]: He played Hercules in Disney's Hercules here in the U.S., and he's done a lot more amazing things, including marrying a gorgeous man and getting swindled into a three sub.

[SPEAKER_02]: He also grew up Mormon, it's why I asked the question of like, are there black Mormons?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it turns out, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's how to sub-stack linked in the description with a lot more bonus episodes to KEM.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you next week for another gorgeous gay ass guest and do me a favor.

[SPEAKER_02]: Stay gay.

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