[SPEAKER_01]: Really, really gay podcast that we called that's a gay podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a gay out name for a gay out podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: Producer Nathaniel is here to speak on behalf of the Belly community.

[SPEAKER_00]: Producer Nathaniel, we have many topics to discuss, including Sam Altizer's comments about Harry Big Belly men.

[SPEAKER_00]: We want to talk about heated rivalry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about...

You were just watching.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just watched.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank goodness.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about your personal sluddery and even more.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Nathaniel, it's been all seen since you've been on this gay ass pot as a full-on interview guest.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you just as a tease?

[SPEAKER_00]: Have you been a slut in recent memory?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you for later in this app will you be able to give us some sluddy stories?

[SPEAKER_01]: I have been a much more concentrated slut.

[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of a million slutty moments, fewer intensely slutty moments.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, you're being an intentional slut, and I think that's really beautiful.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't wait to hear the intentional ass pounding you've been getting or otherwise.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to say before we get into it, we're recording this on a Saturday.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've had one of the longest weeks of my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: My day job is in full swing.

[SPEAKER_00]: The pot is busy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've been kidding, ready, the tickets on sale for the tour.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I looks like shit this morning.

[SPEAKER_00]: And my gay ass husband, this is not paid by the way, not a product placement.

[SPEAKER_00]: are worried about the under eyes yeah I she's like I tried this for the first time and it actually worked and I was like what is it uh y'all I just used it and not to you know sort of talk my own uh face up but um I looked like shit all of 20 minutes ago and now my under eyes are gone and it's like 25 bucks and Amazon it's Peter Thomas Roth instant I firm I [SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to shout out Peter because you deserve your ass, A, Peter.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is, I feel like I feel like I've changed my mouth.

[SPEAKER_01]: You might too, baby, just a little bit of that Maybelline concealer.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does the trick too?

[SPEAKER_00]: We love a concealer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a concealer?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a concealer when I do it?

[SPEAKER_01]: I look like I'm in Kabuki.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you've always been a theater queen the little maveline stick with the little fuzzy thing on the end I used to pop pop pop pop pop and that was it and it's swear to you people were like damn you look really good What have you been do your skin is really good?

[SPEAKER_00]: Nathan, no, can I when people ask you how old you are you hate answering that or can you answer I don't care how old you I'm 35 [SPEAKER_00]: 35 looking gorgeous what about he did rivalry tell me I just watched it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just want your feelings I left it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was sweet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was I can't believe I can't believe you're so cute So cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love his Eric we're getting so old.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're babies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are they really not the children?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the one is 24 The the one Let me let me confirm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was born in 2001 tough [SPEAKER_00]: And then I think the other one's been his con or something story he's a cute 2000 so they're before my god they are children maybe babies so I I but I love you I think they're so cute I think they're genuinely great actors.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't believe how long a sex scene's go and it's [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big deal right back as they I also say everyone posting online of how how horny it's making them just while watching it It did more than more than anything else and I think that that That says something that says something because there's a lot of gay TV out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of boots didn't make me erect Boots is fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed watching Boots, but Boots not making it wrecked boots got me hard there No, because I grew up in a cop family, but I was like a pishposh apple sauce [SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, I, I was, I was, I was hard in like 10 minutes in the hockey show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was hard in the first scene when they were smoking when he was like, hey, nice to meet you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I've been here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been in the situation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we like to talk about.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think with our slotteries specifically, you and I were talking about like being intentional, but also the like Demi sexual part of like the like the the long game connection of it all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what he's actually.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I also think that there's something sexy about he'd arrive because we don't learn a lot about them So we're yet so we're right when they start bugging okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know that he's sort of a little submissive He's a little aggressive and that's it So fun to think about such masculine athletes and such like a broy sport and one of them getting penetrated I find that to be honest.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know how many DL athletes I've slept with please Well, that's why I think that with a lot of straight boys a lot a lot of dweeps a lot of glitters They are nasty nasty [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here's a good question.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you shower in gym class, Eric?

[SPEAKER_01]: Never.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Never, I never was a part of a sport where that was a thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had none of the fun for us through it all.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was forced through all of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, we were years of basketball two years of wrestling.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's still the important thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Would do P.E.

[SPEAKER_00]: in the middle of the day and then just go right back to class.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you as hell, nasty with that poopy butt hole.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't shitting in TV, but I was definitely not, I never ever had the like, even getting a glam, a glam.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite.

[SPEAKER_00]: Meet more content in the shower.

[SPEAKER_01]: Our gym teacher shallard with us at Lutheran High School South.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he then he was like, go, it was my sophomore.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then that making sense while he was like, I wish I would have, he was, you know how you always have like older fat gym teachers who like can't do anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe they were athletes and I like let themselves go.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was like a 25 year old guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he, when we would do things, he would play with us.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he would shout and he was so, he was so hairy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you're saying that he would only shower and nothing else, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, no he was straight as an arrow.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was straight.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's like I'm so straight who gives a fuck.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna shower because I'm all sweaty and yet you were in the corner eating your popcorn looking at his hairy hot body.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I was I, I was sort of raised with nudity, like not nudist house, but we were never taught to be shy in my house.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was finding [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I would go to the Jewish community center, and that is sports on Tesson Ferry, and come on Tesson Ferry.

[SPEAKER_00]: I remember walking through the showers, and at first it was just like the really old men with the low hanging.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know it was a knife-aid?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's my fucking...

[SPEAKER_01]: Favourite.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's my love.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love the longer when they're when they're knocking like a door chime.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God I'm gonna go wet now Swinging behind their legs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing nothing turns me on work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it's it's funny to think back into the formative shower experiences And I never had it with the fat my fellow students, but I'm loving that heated rivalry has brought up so many [SPEAKER_00]: Obsessed with this all-producer Nathaniel, especially because you're going to be getting, uh, having a sluddy story to complete later today, which I'm excited for you about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But before we get into some of the shuddery of it all, let's get into Nathaniel speaking to Sam Altizer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you want these about to ask?

[SPEAKER_01]: We're coming in blind.

[SPEAKER_00]: So let's do question number one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want Sam Altizer to do to you?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's just the cutest little chickpea.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, there is there are so many different types of traction for me and when you put a baby face on a hunky body, I've just melt.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just melt.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, let him know that, you know, come up to Washington Heights.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of fur a lot of belly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a damn good cook.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chris and your public race horses are just coming over and having fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that sounds as a great pitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, uh, uh, producer and a fan of Sam Altizer brought up the Gainer community.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is your relationship to just the idea of the Gainerism?

[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever partaken?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have an opinion?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's your stance on Gainer being?

[SPEAKER_01]: I, it is very humbling when people are like love your gain or journey.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, just a pression, just a pression, just a pression.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I, I don't really have an opinion on it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, if you want to do it, cool, I know some big boys that are hot as fuck that do gaining.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is definitely humbling.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is definitely humbling when they're like, I love to see you in your gain or journey.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I appreciate that, but I'm not personally doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me ask you about that because I think that our appearance is constantly studied or magnified when we're young people, especially if people, it's like so much of our appearance as a part of our identity.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, [SPEAKER_00]: the reason why a Sam Altizer's episode did so well is because he's cute as a thug-in.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's cute as hell.

[SPEAKER_01]: Leave the combo.

[SPEAKER_01]: Leave the combo that baby face and then the big titties lethal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, love just like titties.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think it's like, you know, so many of us do love a big man or just love the things that society has told us that, you know, are not as valuable.

[SPEAKER_00]: What has been your relationship to just like your body or your tribe?

[SPEAKER_00]: Have do you have you ever felt like these things of wishing you were some other way?

[SPEAKER_00]: Or have you had a full radical acceptance?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's been your journey in terms of Nathaniel as a gay ass man in this gay ass body?

[SPEAKER_01]: That took a question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I remember moving to New York when I was 24 and thinking, like, I get to be a big bear.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then I remember all the bears were like 10 years older than me at Jacob Reece, like, you're not a bear.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're nothing close to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I sort of like unwind that out of my mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now I'm actually like a 35-year-old belly-haary man.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's been very interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chris and I were just talking about this in the car.

[SPEAKER_01]: I still feel like a boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I don't feel like a 35-year-old in my head.

[SPEAKER_01]: I still feel like I'm 18.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm responsible.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've got my shit together But I don't know like especially if I'm around like another guy who's my age.

[SPEAKER_01]: I perceive as like older or butcher or If that are smaller or muscular, I always Somehow feel younger mentally.

[SPEAKER_01]: I always feel younger mentally [SPEAKER_01]: And for the first time in 2025, I think I'm slowly starting to tip those scales.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean emotionally, emotionally, and anteriorly growing up getting older, sort of seeing your getting older.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like getting older a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're also laying on something interesting that I have heard from many friends and even meatballs has talked about like within the bear community, but like who they accept within their own community, but also like I find it interesting with body types about like who you are attracted to.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some people are within a certain body and only want to be hooking up or dating or wherever with other people that look like them, other people are going to hooking up with other types.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like if I'm into, if I find myself like let's say I'm scrolling on a nap, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really hot guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whether he's a bear or just like a daddy or whatever it is and he's like got more size than me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my first thought is he's not going to be into me because most of those men are looking for size to like compete with theirs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you find that your attraction is towards a specific size or type?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I have an archetype, which is bear daddy, but that is just my own favorite archetype that does not mean like my attraction runs literally in a verse.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean that in like a flip away like it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's smile, face, and personality, number one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean that not to be like dismissive like genuinely.

[SPEAKER_01]: The thing with me, the only other hand, is that most men who will sleep with me or will hang out with me usually have to excuse their attraction to [SPEAKER_01]: It's never your cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I love big guys, or, or, you know, usually have fucked around with muscle guys, but like, you're even even some of my loudest characters in to you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, literally, I thought I would say I would say like nine times out of 10 of them, I'm open up with a figure or a smaller guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, [SPEAKER_01]: they have to excuse it in their head.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just your view.

[SPEAKER_00]: You seem to be someone though that like, doesn't let that get into your psyche.

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't, but that's the autism.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm unique in that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: God bless the autism for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Chris always says that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I really think it is because no, I don't care.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love that so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as the other shows, we just, I want to be other shows.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, at their official network, and they were talking about, like, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's really hard when you walk into a room, you think people are looking at you and you're wondering what people are perceiving you.

[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't exist in my brain at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, you're just like, I'm dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't exist, but I don't think it's something that I learned or that I've, like, achieved.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it doesn't exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so I think I'm going to the eagle where I'm going to the things I'm not comparing myself to other people thinking, oh, they think I'm sad or, oh, they think I'm poorly dressed.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have that in me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking, like, [SPEAKER_01]: I have to pee once back on me, he's cute, he's cute, he's cute, I want to go home and watch, you know, Winnie the Pooh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, question, when you are out at a bar in a horny mood, do you find that you are able to land the plane of getting the guy to come home with you or even just like a bar make out?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, I feel like I'm the, I feel like I'm in the vast minority of these, I hate making out with people.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like in that, like my husband, great if I'm in a hookup with someone, great, but I have never, ever, ever in my life when it decasually just make out with someone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know, like, no, you're like, I want to fuck in the make out of part of the fuck or nothing at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like maybe it's maybe we're but my intimacy, like, I think that cuddling is very intimate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that kissing is very intimate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think fucking, sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously, obviously, like people have their [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I like, no, I have to answer your question.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can always land the plane because, again, I think, is if the autism.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know within a second and a half of someone's not vibing with me, and then I'll just chitchat and move on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I have never, [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really do think they call it hype.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you've got a teacher class.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have to teach a class on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: You just do.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this is not me being unique or special.

[SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely think it's a symptom of.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of like the asperters inside of me, but I'm trying to exercise the muscle of directness.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think this is a good idea of rate of in the directness that you're going to be turned down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably yeah, I think it's probably like in my in my nightmare.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's that I'll be like I want to kiss you or whatever and then they'll be like, oh [SPEAKER_01]: And they might, and they might.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's their prongative to do so.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then, and then it's, because apparently, I think we talked about what we're super into.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, like, yes, love a slutty one off, but also the idea of like, my ideal scenario, especially right now is like, for the rest of this interview, had to sub-stack linked in the description.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love you, bye!