[SPEAKER_02]: Really, really gay podcast that we call dance a gay, as podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a gay-out name for a gay-out podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Brian and Judson from dads and daddies are here on that's a gay ass podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you feel like this is a crossover that's been just begging to happen?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I just refer to it as podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I have been known to watch successful materials on the inner web in my past.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think podcast has a certain hot ring to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine with it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, daddiness is not without that angle.

[SPEAKER_02]: In sometimes true, you know what do we find?

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, well, we have so many topics to get into.

[SPEAKER_02]: I already want to like do hard hitting questions, but before we do so, can I just brag about how amazing your podcast is, you launched it a little more than a year ago, you're in a half ago, and it's your time.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's become one of those podcasts that people love for not only just like the share of the horny tails, but also that you're both so great about being honest about What if it's like to be like adult gay guys to be married to mean open relationships for the listeners here who might not be familiar with your podcast Can you give me like a bit of a breakdown if both of you can give me like okay?

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been married for this long.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've been open for this long like what's the what's the sort of slot package you both bring to the table [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, so I'm the dad of dad and daddies.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am married to my husband Toby.

[SPEAKER_01]: We've been married just over 11 years and together for almost 14.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we have two daughters.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of whom is about to turn 10 any day now.

[SPEAKER_01]: And her younger sister will turn seven about a month after that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we opened our relationship not quite two years into it, so just about, uh, I don't know, maybe six months before getting married, but, um, I feel like it only stepped up in, um, [SPEAKER_01]: It's power, let's say, maybe in the pandemic and certainly having this podcast and having active conversations about it on a weekly basis has also stepped it up because it's also stepped up our comfort with talking about it with each other and all of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm also I'm about to turn 52 and sometimes between my two daughters birthdays and yeah, that's me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, everybody, I am the daddy in the dad's and daddy pair, sexual and spiritual.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: My husband and I are in an age gap relationship of 19 years.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the younger.

[SPEAKER_03]: We met when I was 27 and he was 47.

[SPEAKER_03]: We have been together for 15 years and one month.

[SPEAKER_03]: We just celebrated in Eureka's police Arkansas last month.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, shout out to Yuri, this is where he's Arkansas.

[SPEAKER_03]: We haven't been open for together for 15 and 1, open for I would say 14 and 11.

[SPEAKER_03]: We met just before Thanksgiving and we went to our first ex party together.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think shortly after that following new year.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you really are sort of like in advance gay because at 26 I feel like a lot of gay guys are still grappling with like shame or fear and you Clearly have always liked a daddy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean now being a daddy yourself that must be sort of an interesting Full circle because I myself love a daddy, which is probably why I love the podcast, but [SPEAKER_02]: If we can first go into the age gap of it all because I have been sort of brought that topic has come up in my life as I friends who are dating and the question is, you know, dating with a big age gap versus a no age gap at all, what would you say was the biggest obstacle when you were first dating and did that obstacle continue or was it pretty short-lived?

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh gosh, well, I think that's a good question for both of us because we're both in age gap relationships, but on the opposite ends, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm the older of our relationship, but by nine years, so not nearly as big an age gap, but yes, but an age gap.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think like I appreciate what you're saying about being a little more advanced to 27 like I did know myself pretty well, but also like I hadn't even gotten sober yet, so like that whole journey was yet ahead of me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think something that existed then that doesn't exist now is I was I was a little lost and I think my now husband saw just a lot of potential in me as a human.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but if when we're thinking like career-wise, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and I think he just had a lot of patients with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was a little bit of an angle about like punishing parent when I would make mistakes or do silly things or just get mad and quit a job, which I would like never ever do now.

[SPEAKER_03]: But it's been really fun to age together because they do feel like it's it's it's leveled out a bit like the the gap feels so much less acute and really only comes up when we're discussing like the popular culture of when we were children.

[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I just, I always remember this story.

[SPEAKER_01]: We started dating during season four of RuPaul's Drag Race, which is a bit of a religion or has been in our house.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I remember this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, remind us who with season four.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sharing needle season.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.

[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I am a kid at heart.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have an obsessive personality.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I love a live show.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Sharon was performing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They hadn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: The finale hadn't aired yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't know that she had won.

[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody was rooting for Sharon.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she was performing at Esquilita here in New York Times Square.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I took Toby and a bunch of our friends and got VIP tickets.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when we got there, the VIP tickets were all like on the perimeter of the dance floor, which meant there were so many people in front of us.

[SPEAKER_01]: And but they were at these like raised tables.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want anybody in front of me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I paid for VIP because I wouldn't be right up front.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I made Toby come on the dance floor with me and then right before the show started.

[SPEAKER_01]: They said, okay, everybody on the dance floor, you have to sit down on the dance floor.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I made him sit cross like it on the dance floor, even though all of our friends had these amazing seats at a table at these high rises.

[SPEAKER_01]: But at that point we couldn't get back to the table.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so he was so annoyed with me and that night he said, I think you might be too young for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: like I'm like I'm the younger one in many ways in our relationship, like I'm the Disney girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just a number.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very much a mentality.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very much a mentality.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's really refreshing though that you both have been able to sort of talk about your experiences so openly on the podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I find as we're both kind of uniquely right now talking to like fellow gay [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but in one of the interviews I read about you too, Brian, you said that you've actually been very scared to be this open on the podcast and I don't know about you, Judson, but is has the podcast affected the way that you move through the world at all?

[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's helped your relationships a bit, but what would you say is maybe your favorite or something that is surprised you about sharing so openly on your podcast?

[SPEAKER_02]: And then of course, I'm going to get into some of our if we can complain because I'm Jewish, I love to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: uh but what's the first possible you know what I'm going to wish and you know thank god okay so we're we're surrounded by Judaism okay yeah so yeah what would you say there's anything that's been like surprising or exciting or great or that's been a part of that fear you had with sharing so openly [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, this this summer was so telling in province town, I really felt us a particular level of like gay famous and what was really cool about it was not like, oh, hey, stud, it wasn't that it was.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hey man, you said something and I thought about it and then I brought my thoughts to my partner and now we engage in our relationship differently.

[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like, whoo.

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, wow dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so so.

[SPEAKER_03]: So much.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think I was, I don't know if I was prepared for that element, but I was a little more prepared to be so open because I had run these streets as a insane alcoholic for so long.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I had there was nothing I could do sober on a podcast that would embarrass many more pervert than I had done when I was just like out there being a fuck up.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I was ready.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for me, the fear came from the fact that I have two young kids, I'm very prominent in their school community.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not right now, but I was, you know, for the first year or so, the podcast, the co-president of the Parents Association at their school.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just very, I'm very well-known in that circle, and, and so to suddenly be, I [SPEAKER_01]: open about being open felt a little scary, but, you know, the origin of the podcast was that Judson and I ran into each other on the subway a couple years ago when we were already, we moved in the same circle of friends, but we didn't have a close one on one and I had had a hook up that morning that had gone a little awry and I was feeling self-conscious about it and I could just feel that I could talk to Judson about it and I opened up to him and [SPEAKER_01]: And we ended up having this incredible conversation.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were both, we live in the same neighborhood in Deep Brooklyn.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we were going into the city.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a 45-minute ride.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the conversation spans so many topics from our marriages to our families we grew up with to hookups and bottoming and all kinds of stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, gosh, I know so many people who would love to be having conversations like this, but don't have the people in their lives to have them with.

[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't we have them and let people pull up a chair, but like Justin is saying what I didn't expect is the emails and DMs and reach there's the way people come up to us on the daily that tell us how seen people feel how they've.

[SPEAKER_01]: taking this, like Justin said, back to their relationships, how it's really helped them.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were the two of us in our husbands were at dinner, not in the game neighborhood, and there was a gay group sitting next to us and at the end of their meal, they stood up and said, we don't want to interrupt, but you know, your podcast has really helped us in our relationship, and we felt like it's gotten very sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so while you only take a picture of all of you, but yeah, like Justin is saying, that was completely unexpected.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I knew that there were people who wanted to have these conversations.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize how much this would touch folks.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, I mean, I even and not even sitting at that dinner table with you, but I can feel the like as just people as someone who has watched your podcast and listen and see in your eyes, I'm just like feeling a weird sense of like pride and excitement and it makes me feel like a little for clam because [SPEAKER_02]: I think that there is so much shame that we are taught as young people when it comes like being gay and being horny or just being, you know, expressive period and to see people like you be really just like, honest and unapologetic about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because listen, the reason why I have you on this podcast is sure I'm a fan of yours, but also we talk about sluddery in a very open way here.

[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, once I do put the pay while up is when I go into more of my own personal things, because I still deal with the same idea of my own shame when Matt and I open up our relationship, I was convinced that I would not tell us.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would never talk about it on the podcast period.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I found myself talking about it in one episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I stupidly call the episode, please don't listen, mom.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, listen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so once she listened to that, I was like, well, cats out of the bag, and so from then on, it's been sort of like actually a beautiful lesson and why don't we just share our truths and and maybe other people will feel inspired because the word slut is something we talk about with pride here on that's a gas podcast, would both of you say you identify with that word slut?

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely, proudly so.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can you, since the listeners, I'm sure are going to want to know what one arrive in the hookup the morning that the two of you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's not being as hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: I clean out, you know, with the best of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, listen, Justin, let's tell you, I'm a very courteous, considerate person.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always thinking of others before myself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I do, [SPEAKER_01]: Everything I can to make sure I'm as clean as it can be, but sometimes the body does with the body does, especially with a top who can who has stamina like real stamina like after a while there's only so much that you can do and that morning was my second time hooking up with the person I still esteem as my.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ideal hookup like there's just somebody who I just he's so hot.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have I have thankfully had a a third hookup with him since then and redeemed myself, but anyway at one point it got He had a lot of stamina.

[SPEAKER_01]: He pulled out at one point realized it had gotten messy and he very sweetly [SPEAKER_01]: You know, stopped and said, like, let's clean up, but once that happens, then like, for me, it's done and I just, you know, he was, again, he was very sweet about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've had other tops who have not been so sweet about it, but even that I feel like is evolving in the community.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the more people are talking about sex, the more people are like, listen, the body is with the body is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't care if it happens.

[SPEAKER_01]: And but anyway, I just felt mortified because he was my ideal and it just didn't, [SPEAKER_02]: stop because he's a ideal.

[SPEAKER_02]: Are you talking about is there like a physical attribute?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is there an energy does he have a huge challenge?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean yes there's a physical attribute he's very lean but also very, you know, defined he's, you know, I [SPEAKER_01]: hold a very soft space in my heart for a younger man.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I don't know that his age has changed on the apps in a few years, but I believe he's late 20s or like 30s.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the gap is still the same, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like we're getting older, but so is he.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he, uh, he's also very like, [SPEAKER_01]: romantic in the moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: We talk on the podcast release.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do about you know in the in a hook up moment for me there's like a certain degree of play acting where like you do feel or I do feel quote unquote love in that moment even though it might expire the second [SPEAKER_01]: We come, rightly department, like I need that sense of romance.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need a good kisser, like for me, making out is, you know, a significant percentage of the hook up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a great kisser.

[SPEAKER_01]: He makes you feel so special.

[SPEAKER_01]: It feels romantic.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just as hot as they come.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I mean, that's what makes him my ideal.

[SPEAKER_03]: He has to sort of like, for lack of a better, because I know him sexually and socially and we live in the same neighborhood stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: I see him at parties.

[SPEAKER_03]: Have you hooked up with him as well?

[SPEAKER_03]: I've hooked up with him in Furno, which is Furno.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a party in Brooklyn.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think this was before I hooked up with him years ago before all this happened.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he has this sort of like, [SPEAKER_03]: feline type energy and it's like very very sexy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a dog.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a dog.

[SPEAKER_03]: We love a feline top.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it sounds very appetizing and I would love for this feline top to per on my pussy.

[SPEAKER_02]: However, I think that when you talk about the idea of intimacy in the hook-up, I think there are so many feelings about open relationships as you very much know with your podcast and any time you post anything about an open relationship There's like some 19-year-old somewhere that's commenting.

[SPEAKER_02]: I hope this love never finds me Fuck this and I understand too a degree.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, think about when you were both in Let's say your teens and 20s.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like if you were to be like, hey [SPEAKER_02]: I am going to envision my future.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't envision yourself in like a great coupling.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's you're fucking a million people.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is not what we were taught as like the ideal thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like head or normative culture was very much like that's bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: But.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now that we're inside of these open relationships, I think it's like we know that they are they can be great.

[SPEAKER_02]: But do you feel like you've ever internalized any of the shame that people project onto you?

[SPEAKER_03]: I will say this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love what you're saying about how we essentially, especially coming up when we came up, like I was a teen in the 90s.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like there was very little to look at out in the culture in terms of what gay love and gay partnership looked like.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was certainly better than in like the 70s and 80s from what I understand.

[SPEAKER_03]: like spoken to someone like Brian or even my partner like I was not there.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do not know, but in comparison to now where you have so much to look at and so much to model from.

[SPEAKER_03]: There is this one for one ideal, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I have to admit one of the reasons that I started to pursue open relationships.

[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, was because I didn't believe that man couldn't cheat and didn't believe the man couldn't cheat.

[SPEAKER_03]: So rather than like have that weaponized against me, I thought, okay, if we are going to just be wanting to have sex with other people is there a space where we can do that like lovingly and I think even just saying that like I got into open relationships because men cheat can be misinterpreted so wildly like that is.

[SPEAKER_03]: That is not the motivation for why I'm in an open relationship.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not because I don't trust my husband It's because I want to the opposite because you do trust me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do trust him and I want to gift him Because I love him the pleasure of being with with the New York City.

[SPEAKER_03]: Are you fucking kidding me?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you you're gonna just have sex with me for the rest of our marriage like Get over yourself like grow the fuck up [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel that way about like a lot of young people right now, like I, I, I, I'm confused if I'm being honest because I think that look at representation sure like an Hollywood and just like in general, like it's, I feel like we're living in a very accepting era for gay people compared to when we were younger compared to when, you know, of course generations before us.

[SPEAKER_02]: but they still want to come to sex and open relationships.

[SPEAKER_02]: The sentiment amongst young people online is very like, I don't know, paru dish, Victorian.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, what is going on?

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't shouldn't they embrace living outside of heteronormativity?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, one would think.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I listen, yes, to answer your previous question, I of course have internalized shame around openness, but in realizing, and again, a lot of it has come through having active conversation about a week after week, which is why the point of our podcast is to encourage conversation.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I've realized is that and we talked about this brand and Kyle Goodman is on the podcast recently and we're talking about we're not always looking outward.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this mindset of freedom and like Judson said like removing the idea that cheating could be something weaponized against us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just like we trust each other and love each other so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just remove that as something they could ever come up with an issue.

[SPEAKER_01]: and let's have this freedom them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't mean I spend all day every day thinking about it or trying to pursue it or like, and I also have an incredible sex life with my husband.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I love my sex with my husband.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we do that thing that people find on sexy, where in which like we have an agreement to have sex on a weekly basis, it's not on the calendar.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we have an agreement that whatever the first night of the weekend is that we are not out or that we are not doing something with the kids that we actually have a night at home, we will have sex, you know, and we call it a date night and we'll say at some point in the day like we're having a date night tonight, you know, and [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes most often it'll be yes, sometimes it'll be no one will figure out why and we'll move it to the next possible name.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's dive into that for a second.

[SPEAKER_02]: So for fellow people who are either in long relationships or like initiating sex can be scary for them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, either if you have a trick or a word or a nod or something that cues your partner that like, hey, I want to fuck.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so my agreement with my husband is is sort of less formal, but very similar, yeah, um, we're very busy dudes, uh, I am so grateful that we still have sex.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think we can comfortably go about a month without even thinking about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But after 15 years of marriage, like I'm not that press about it, five weeks, six weeks, starts to feel like pretty itchy two months.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[SPEAKER_03]: So before we even get there, I will just say to him, like, hey, I'd like to fuck around this weekend to just like get it into the ether, then whenever we're both home and things seem kind of [SPEAKER_03]: oh this is this is the moment yeah um the last time that we had sex in that way we were planning on taking a nap and we both got into bed I had used the bathroom before I got into bed and when I got into bed he was naked and I was like well that's that's that's a perfect signal [SPEAKER_02]: Great signal to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're naked.

[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, listen for for us the reason I need to have sex with my husband once a week because I need to know I still have you know Significant driven security just about myself and I need to know that my husband still wants that with me and find me sexy and so [SPEAKER_01]: So we had just agreed very early on that that's our schedule and like I said we just say to each other are we going to have a date night tonight and we've also spoken very openly and honestly about the fact that I don't want to always be the one asking that question so he also because we've had that conversation he'll take it upon himself to do it also but I also were very blessed and that [SPEAKER_02]: I think Fooking God.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's really, Matt and I have very much like had to talk about this in a couple of therapy about like how can we find the balance of the openness and spending time with each other and we're very much still a work in progress when it comes to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: When you talk about your insecurities and your honesty with that, it's so refreshing, but also so relatable, because I'm, again, a fellow Jew, and I feel like it's like baked into our DNA.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I don't know, I don't really know what is it because our ancestors were like forced to leave their lands, and we feel insecure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know where we're internal.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where our parents are.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or just, yeah, we just didn't become doctors.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I think that it did not expect the aid podcasters talking about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's what I should really unpack, which is that this is my job, but can we get into since we're getting towards the paywall of it all, I want to start to get into like more specific sluttery, especially as this is a horny podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Have you either of you had any recent hookups, or maybe let's just go zoomed out to a general like if there's any stories that come to mind that was either incredibly formative, hot, surprising, shocking, any sort of hookup tell they would like to deliver to us?

[SPEAKER_03]: This is rather recent.

[SPEAKER_03]: This happened on Halloween.

[SPEAKER_03]: I shared, I shared this on our podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: Surely there's crossover of listeners, [SPEAKER_03]: So I had gone into this, I live in Brooklyn and I had gone into the city on Halloween night, which was a Friday night to see the band Daisy Grenade, a layperson Rouge, which is directly east of six Avenue.

[SPEAKER_03]: Why does that matter?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because on Halloween night, in the village, the parade is up six avenues, so because I could get from the train to the concert venue without hitting the parade, I was like, this is awesome.

[SPEAKER_03]: And because I do what I always do, which is turn on sniffies when I'm in a new neighborhood, I thought to myself, wouldn't it be hot to also be able to hook up with somebody who is also east of the parade route?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I knew that anything like 7th Avenue, 8th Avenue, the waterfront, I was like, you're out because there's no way for me to get to.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, like on a normal day, absolutely, but like this particular day.

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: So this guy messages me and he says, [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, I'm, I'm only open.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not looking for relationship, just sex.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you said, if you ever are looking for a boyfriend hit me up.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that was so flattering because you're kind of basing it on such little information.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have, you know, I've worked to present, you know, a decent sexual object and very little real estate, but like to be your boyfriend crazy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think this was all from your sniffes profile.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: Give me the pointers because your profile is inviting suitors.

[SPEAKER_02]: Good job.

[SPEAKER_03]: Include a face pic, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is what I have found.

[SPEAKER_03]: It really like levels.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: You get left of your picture.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_03]: I used to have a picture that had my face in it of me getting fucked because I feel like that says it all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I've switched it out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I get, I get antsy and I'm like, anyway, if you include a Facebook, you honestly will get less traffic, but it is higher quality.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm assuming this conversation is over like this guy wants boyfriend.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm unavailable because I married an open that's not the same thing as polyamorous.

[SPEAKER_03]: Although [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to make an exception.

[SPEAKER_03]: Will you please come over and find me blindfolded and atop?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love you, bye!