[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome back to that's a gay ass podcast the podcast that asks who's fault is it that you're gay?

[SPEAKER_04]: It is me Eric Williams and my friend Dan is this week's guest?

[SPEAKER_04]: Would you know him as grossy Pelosi a perfect Instagram follow and the perfect author?

[SPEAKER_04]: of Let's Party, which is his new book that is absolutely divine.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a reason why I will have him on this podcast any fucking chance I get because he has a perfect gay ass gap.

[SPEAKER_04]: So please enjoy my girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: Dan Pelosi.

[SPEAKER_04]: Grossy mother fuking Pelosi, your shirt says you opened to gifts this morning.

[SPEAKER_04]: What else does it say?

[SPEAKER_04]: They were your eyes, bitch.

[SPEAKER_04]: She is grateful to be alive, Dan Grossi Pelosi.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you know that you might be one of the first people to be a three-peat guest on that's a gay ass podcast?

[SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping that we would talk about that because I'm not going away.

[SPEAKER_01]: There will be a fourth.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think so too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think every time you either come out with a gorgeous book or just open your gorgeous eyes, I want you to come on this gay ass pod.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love, like, I just get to talk about stuff that I don't get to talk about here, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, last time you came on, I think the title of the episode was like, let's eat ass.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that helped sell the book.

[SPEAKER_04]: I want to help sell this gorgeous book.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's, let's party.

[SPEAKER_04]: She, first of all, I've been devouring this book.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I have so many hot gossipy questions about the book, but before we get into the stunning photos, the stunning recipes, um, Dan Grossy Pelosi, even posting about the gilded age.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I have not yet started.

[SPEAKER_04]: Am I too late to start watching?

[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't started season three or you haven't started the show.

[SPEAKER_04]: Girl, I haven't started the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no, no, I've been talking about this a lot because there's a lot of people who never watched it and a lot of people who've watched like two episodes that were like this sucks now I have to say [SPEAKER_01]: The first season is slow.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of character development.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great, like, sit and zone out vibe.

[SPEAKER_01]: The sets are gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_01]: The people, like, there's some really iconic performances, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Season two is the gayest thing you've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the opera wars.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like fighting over the, like, what the opera houses in Manhattan.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: This past season has literally knocked my tits off.

[SPEAKER_01]: The season finale was last night and I was screaming at the television.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, that's what people are saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like as a person who literally asked people about character actresses to not watch a show featuring Christine Bransky, Carrie Cune.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: All the girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cynthia Nixon who's like not really a character actress, but also the entire Broadway pantheon of actresses on the show, babe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was they wrote the show for you.

[SPEAKER_04]: way they did write it for me and I actually was when I was doing all of my prep I was wondering since I left a talk about Broadway on this podcast are you have you been seeing any Broadway shows I feel like we don't talk about theater too much [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I, so Gus goes because Gus is like theater queen, director, like whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not musical theater festival to Gus.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting a pop with Kaya Gerber.

[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, perhaps Gus needs to be a two-time girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: He will.

[SPEAKER_04]: He will.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I like don't see you guys anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's too busy for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't love a musical though, and I love a musical, and he likes a play.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, so you know, we mostly are upstate now, so it's harder to get down to the city.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also like, last year, two things were happening.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I like completely renovated my house and added on my dream kitchen.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like quite expensive.

[SPEAKER_01]: So going to see a Broadway play was just a lot to handle.

[SPEAKER_01]: And also like, I was so riddled with anxiety last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm better now.

[SPEAKER_01]: because I was like making this huge investment and like spending money and didn't have a kitchen and it was just like crazy and I was working on this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like busy busy busy busy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't imagine sitting down for three hours and like focusing on something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I knew that my brain, I just knew and it's good to know yourself and not always try to fix it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just had to know that I was not going to be able to sit through a Broadway performance without dissociating to the corner, you know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you then SSRI girly?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, how did you handle all the anxiety?

[SPEAKER_04]: Cause like you as a person who little your job is to put gorgeous meals, photos, videos together and then not having a kitchen while they're renovating your home.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I could only, I could feel by proxy the adjective from that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you?

[SPEAKER_04]: What were you doing to get yourself through?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we had our place in Brooklyn.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I clicked there and then I had my grill up here and I had a temporary kitchen.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I got through it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just was a lot more work to do anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then also the money piece.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd never really, you know, I was, I should have been sort of celebrating and like standing in my power that I've like built this business that is in celebration of the work that I do and it's, you know, successful and [SPEAKER_01]: I was able to make this business investment that made sense because it wasn't just like mommy wants a new kitchen.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like grossy needs to like have an HQ for her brand, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And investing in yourself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Investing in myself investing in my business investing in my future.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really powerful in a proud moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's really hard as well to believe in yourself and believe that you're worth such things.

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: I really, the dichotomy of that was very tough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank God for my therapist.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't sleep much last year.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was really, it was, it was a lot and I, you know, and now I'm in this incredible space and I'm so proud and I'm paying off the bills and, you know, we're doing okay, but it's just, it's really hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: No one in my family has done that before.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, that's what I do now.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a lot of questions about how you're sort of creating a new life that is separate from your family and also the stress of that being in a relationship because I am also, you know, dealing with like a lot of highs, self in place.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is that a word self inflicted?

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Self-inflicted, like, high stakes that does infiltrate my life.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I do want to get into that, but I feel like it's important for me to ask some, let's party questions before go.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, please.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to hear it and talk about my baby girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's baby girl number two.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I have to say, do you, do you, do you, do you remember, I, I was like, oh, last week, my dad is obsessed with, let's eat, and he, maybe, maybe asked me three times to make sure you saw that he was cooking your marinara.

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw it and then I was on gay's reading podcast last week recorded Jason shout out for we were having the best time ever and he brought up your dad making my man Well, Jason is a huge huge friend of the pod and another gay to us and he literally texted me the day he was interviewing you, but we love our gay podcast we love gay's reading but this book is just like I think what you do so well is [SPEAKER_04]: Sure are the recipes absolutely divine yes, but you actually give really actionable ways to have people over and for a girl like me who doesn't have the skills.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm luckily married to somebody who's really good at it, but you have a section in your book that is all about [SPEAKER_04]: sort of rules to live by.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a section called how to knock it invited back, which I think is really, really important.

[SPEAKER_04]: You say do not bring a surprise plus one, do not show up late.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm also a punctual girlina.

[SPEAKER_04]: Here's a question.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you feel?

[SPEAKER_04]: If you have plans to hang out with somebody, you show up thinking it was just you girlies.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there are people there that you had no idea were invited.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you cool or is it a new rule?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like not a dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a hang.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just a hang.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like to know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like to know everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if you throw a dinner party, do tell your guests who was on the list in total.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, oh yeah, like I'm not like gatekeeping information.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like so much of what I talk about here is just like, you know, planning what the inspiration for this book is a menu, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So like growing up in an Italian American Portuguese American family, you did not step in someone's house without knowing what you were going to be fed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we talk about what we're eating for breakfast for dinner at lunch and for lunch at breakfast.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then at dinner, we talk about what we're eating for breakfast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, everyone in my, like, the menu is the heart of the gathering.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why I wrote this book focused on menus and menu planning, because I am suived as sort of a control freak.

[SPEAKER_01]: By knowing what's on the menu, whether I'm entertaining people at my house or when I go to someone's house.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you able to enjoy if you're going to another dinner party?

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you like a type of person that used to work at a restaurant and now you can't go to a restaurant because you're thinking about how the servers are stressed?

[SPEAKER_01]: I never worked at a restaurant, but I have to earn a lot of dinner parties in which as well as book.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I do approach it from a unique perspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: there is sort of a reason why I mostly am the person who hosts.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do sort of walk it and like you know, I have always learning, always growing and I talk about in this book how much I love going to someone's house and finding out how they do things, how do they set the table, how do they decorate, how do they cook, what's on their menu, like what are their strengths, how do they lean into their strengths, how do they, you know, like so for me the way that I encourage people to entertain and to host is to really think about [SPEAKER_01]: what they're good at and what they love and then ask for help with things that they're not.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I love to be asked to participate and someone else's home.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's hard for me is when people don't know how to ask for help and perhaps they need it and I have a really hard time not stepping in because I come from a family of women who do not fuck around.

[SPEAKER_04]: do you step in then with.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I used to be much more brazen.

[SPEAKER_01]: I used to like come in and open your fridge and be like, honey, the mayonnaise.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what does it's it's expired?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like what are we doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but now it's like, you know, I've learned of growing.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've gone through therapy and forty three.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't do that as much, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I did picture reality show once where I'm like the host and I walk into someone's house and I like fucking tear it apart and like start just being like, but and I was like, I don't really want to be that gay guy though.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: I was for a while, but then you realize that like that doesn't land as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going out gay barefoot contest so I feel like you need just like we need to see Gary, but it's Gus.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we need to say, well, yeah, and his name is Jeffrey, but yes, and Gus.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I think that's called a Gary because I.

No one needs to say him on four hours of sleep.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: What I think is like meeting people where they're at and that's my approach.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love because it means you wear your hat and suggest do you want to throw the whole party or do you want to invite people over and give them a recipe from this book and everyone makes them and you together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you the kind of person who plans a party a month out or are you person who plans a party two days out and I give you sort of like [SPEAKER_01]: How my thought process can work in all those directions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a ton of plates and bowls and platters are using a colander as a bread basket?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no wrong answer.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I do love also about just like your essence is you do know a good boundary and I think that [SPEAKER_04]: When it comes to when the party is over, you have a great part of the book where you say it's okay to say this has been so fun, but it's approaching my bedtime.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now what time does grossy policy like to retire and follow up does the time change depending on when you're with your girls or with your gaze?

[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't change.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like pretty like if you're at my house past nine thirty like there's a miracle like I know I really you know I think something that we all need to learn about ourselves is like we are not fun if we're not having fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right and so like if you are in a position what place where you're not having fun or you're going heading somewhere and you know it's not gonna be fun You're actually going to ruin the vibe for everyone else because you're not fun and so and that's okay You know it's like I'm I'm very I say this all time like you kids have fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll stay here like that's the kind of mom I am [SPEAKER_01]: Right, like, I guess loves a lake, a swimming hole like he's jumping in puddles and I'm like, bitch, I will be over here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't want to do that and you don't want me to be in that swim hole with you because I will be like, Maryl Streep and River wild except I'm the first person who died.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the survivor.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: No, but so I think like that's why I say in the book I'm like you and the party it will give most of your guests the relief they need to know that they can leave because people don't know when to sit down to eat they don't know and to leave they don't know all the in between tell them I need help dinner is served welcome we'll be eating you know what I mean those kind of we're all walking toddlers babe we all need it's [SPEAKER_04]: It's not even that, but I think it could be that we appreciate guidance and goals.

[SPEAKER_01]: Be a leader, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Be a leader and also tell people to go home because if people want to keep partying, they will go somewhere else.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they will find a bar.

[SPEAKER_01]: They'll find someone else's house.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to ruin their night.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're just going to bring them to a place that will continue to be fun because the fun has closed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, well you give me a line reading of when we're all we're talking about Mama Mia three is fair going to do it and then you're like Mama wants to go to bed can you give me the line reading this has been so fun, but it's approaching my bedtime [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, totally.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get out here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you guys want to go to metropolitan?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you should.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you can totally walk there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so great to take a ride out of the apartment.

[SPEAKER_01]: It'll take you three minutes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look for the dunk and donuts on the corner.

[SPEAKER_04]: Done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go to bed and they can stay up and still do the thing and that's fine or they go to that too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I really love that.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is a sense this is a hard hitting question podcast on the gay journalist.

[SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever not invited someone because they're vegan?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, Gus is dad's vegan.

[SPEAKER_04]: Shout out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is mom mostly speaking.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, absolutely not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like what I love about the menus in this book is like I am trying to create a situation where you're not creating, you're not cooking a whole other thing for the person with a special diet, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's something for everyone and also as a vegetarian, not so much of vegan because vegan, there's so many, the thing about being gluten free or vegan is like you just have to know your subs.

[SPEAKER_01]: like you gotta know, like any good, dumb, you gotta know your subs.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're gluten free, you just use any gluten free flour, pasta, panko.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you're vegan, you use your vegan, uh, your dairy free cheeses.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can click this book, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I also love like on the Thanksgiving menu, which is called Giving Thanks, because that's what the day is about.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lasagna, it's called Don't Tell Your Nonna about this lasagna, and it's like a gorgeous main dish for vegetarians on Thanksgiving, because otherwise they're just scrounging on the sides.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like kind of, I welcome them, and I want them to feel like they were part of the original script, they're not an edit, or something that gets put on the cutting board.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's so divine.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that the way that you give people the tools to create a party that makes everybody feel like they're actually a part of it is so fun because here's the deal.

[SPEAKER_04]: The pictures in this book not only include, of course, you I've [SPEAKER_04]: definitely clocked some gorgeous Gus Harry chest up in here.

[SPEAKER_04]: Gord is family family picks and you have such a great relationship with your family.

[SPEAKER_04]: Before I ask about how you've maintained this closeness with the streets in your life, can I ask you the returning gay ass podcast question, which is, what is keeping you gay today?

[SPEAKER_04]: Grossy Pelosi?

[SPEAKER_01]: What's keeping me gay today?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, and we already talked about this and I'm gonna talk about it again, but the gilded age.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because [SPEAKER_01]: There's, okay, so there's this one character who we call the clock twink who's like absolutely the cutest boy in the world and he's part of like, you know, because it's very upstairs downstairs, which was Julie and Fellows, like first, I think it was a name of his first show.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there's like the rich people and then there's like the staff and the clock twink is part of the staff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm more in love with him than anyone in my entire life.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's also one of the characters on the show is very much a closeted gay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't tell you too much, but there's a scene in the end of the third season with Christine Branski, who is his mother because of course Christine Branski gave birth to a gay man.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is just, it's just so, it's just so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that I was screaming alone last night in my TV room at the television, I was like, I know I'm gay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when a gay man screams out of scene with Christine Barantz in a closet case, so I think it is an affirmation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Have you, are you, are you classically into Twinks?

[SPEAKER_04]: Has that been something apart?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that been a part of your dream?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a beefy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm like, I'm like, give me your boyfriend.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, um, or your husband or whatever, however, or whatever, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he knows it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Matt knows it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be clear.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love, and by the way, you're one of many people to come on here in Thursday after my husband and it is a beautiful compliment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love him guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're stuff to Gus.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, take a baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's all yours.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I thirst after, I mean, I'm telling you, like, people get so understandably.

[SPEAKER_04]: I really want to talk about chest hair, but Gus is just delivering the goods.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they truly are pictures in this book that I'm like, oh, I noticed that for anywhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was our directing, don't worry.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's many audiences for this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yes, I just think like, you know, there's something the way that this show in a time when there's nothing to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no, there's these people, Gus was talking about the soft night because he has a different relationship with Shelby.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, what are they?

[SPEAKER_01]: They, what are they, a neighbor drops by and it is like, there's tea and like those weights have and like, oh, Mrs.

Veda, have you been in?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I've heard it and then it's like, you know, they're always taking meetings and they're like so long.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they just make a big to do about everything and [SPEAKER_01]: every waking moment of their day their hair is done and they're in makeup and they're wearing dresses and like it's just so presentational and fancy and gorgeous and it's like the opposite of our sloppy ass like am I wearing pants down who knows like you know what I mean like I could be not don't look yeah don't pan don't pan the camera down to me [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's just kind of like so it's so gay and this very restrained way like very like the thirst that the characters get on the show without even revealing any inch of their skin is like that's when you know they are huge fact.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was, it's funny to say that because I was talking with a gorgeous queen named Alexis Bevels, who is one of the hosts of IMHO, The Show, and my home is sexual opinion.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we were joking about how back in the day, how if you showed an ankle, it was so controversial, because they never showed any skin.

[SPEAKER_04]: But now a day is to show any, to make any sort of controversial showing of anything, you have to show like literal dick neck, because everything is so, it's like, [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's out.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is why when I watch porn or when I more importantly read my stories, um, I need a lot of context.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need a world building.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need.

[SPEAKER_04]: Where are you talking like a rotica?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like my story.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is it, nifty.org?

[SPEAKER_04]: Where are you finding this?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nifty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, nifty.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're still reading.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, we've talked about this before.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like eighty stories deep on shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like others character building.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I love about the guild there's because season three is so good now because we've spent two seasons building characters so you can like get so hard for someone.

[SPEAKER_01]: because you know them so well.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, then the context goes deep and so does your lust and also the depth of what you want to do to them.

[SPEAKER_04]: When I was in my St.

[SPEAKER_04]: Louis closet days, nifty.org was huge for me because I would read like camping trip lore.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like anytime I like meant they mentioned stars and a tent I said.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just like, I think that specificity is so beautiful.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love a specific bitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love, I just love specificity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think it's so beautiful because we live in such a broad world where everyone has a white kitchen, everyone has like, you know, the same car, cars all look the same, like a Honda drives by as a Kia, is it a, it's like, no, I want [SPEAKER_01]: specificity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's like, you know, it was really important.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm bringing it back to the book, but it was very important to me in this book to have like very pointed menus.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a tomato chapter and everything's about tomatoes.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a fish chapter and I gave you sort of how I'm taking old traditions and I'm bringing them, you know, to sort of my world.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I talk about like how the dips by the pool is like a very specific way that I would serve people when I was on fire island and then you can like reuse the dips for dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like [SPEAKER_01]: They're not, it's like every recipe, every menu, everything has like an intention and a specificity and even the way that we style it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're all meant to look like they're on the same table being served together.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it makes me so happy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you've always had that eye for design and specificity and I know that like your mom is a big part of your hosting journey, her guide of cleaning in the last book was like rocked the internet and rocked the world.

[SPEAKER_04]: Would you say that you inherited that from her?

[SPEAKER_04]: Was it something that you developed as a faggy kid?

[SPEAKER_04]: What was the joke?

[SPEAKER_04]: How did you become such a detailed kid?

[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely like moms and aunts who are like crafting girls like my grandma.

[SPEAKER_01]: My mom's mom was [SPEAKER_01]: She grew up in New York City and she worked as a seamstress.

[SPEAKER_01]: She made it insane clothing.

[SPEAKER_01]: She have pulsed furniture.

[SPEAKER_01]: She made everything she ever wore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everything your kids wore should her basement was like mood fabrics that would walk around and be like both the fabrics and she had like [SPEAKER_01]: three or four different like you know sewing machines and we'd be making close to my Barbies when I was a kid and like my mom is like crafty and was making like you know those like suburban flags that were like color blocked and like a flower or like whatever my mom made those insult them and I was like are directing them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, and like, there was a hyper-creativity to me, but I was born into a family that had very creative people like my aunt's a quilter and a hairdresser.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like, you know, my uncle Phil Resta piece was on the Board of Directors for the Miss Connecticut Beauty pageant.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, you know, there was just, I mean, I have the T-shirt collection that I inherited from him of every Miss Connecticut, like, yeah, it's, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you were kind of born in a way, like, I know that, [SPEAKER_01]: you yourself are a fact of training and your family have many straight so we love but you were kind of born to a very gay family if it kind of like so on design yeah design like yeah everything is there I was allowed to redecorate my house three times when I was a kid I would paint murals on my [SPEAKER_01]: Paint murals on my bedroom wall.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was in art programs.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was making Halloween costumes like I was making hemp necklaces and selling them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have this thing that it's on my desk.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually on Gus's desk I made it when I was in like third grade.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would make like my friend Rob straight would make these little like pencil holders out of like a two by four and then I would paint them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he would make do's like the labor and then I would paint it and then we would like sell them to kids and other when our class had these little pencil holders.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were so good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so you've also always been an entrepreneur.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's a girl boss.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: You so sometimes we on this podcast, if as you know, get into some like kind of fair PE questions and I, um, and fresh off of [SPEAKER_04]: truly crying all of an hour and a half ago, which was, it was a good cry, it was a good cry.

[SPEAKER_04]: So let me get a question about family stuff with your gayness, with the closest with your family.

[SPEAKER_04]: How clued in are they to the gay parts of your life?

[SPEAKER_04]: Because I find that it's an interesting tension as an adult to keep a closeness with the streets in your life, the streets in your family, but also feel like you're not hiding parts of yourself.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you seem to like bridge the gap of being authentically you and your gay, fabulousity, but also close with the people that might not understand it?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think I'm very like on the internet and I share a lot of my life.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that does the work because I'm not afraid to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that does the work of sort of filling people in, on my existence.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so like everyone is following me on Instagram and like everyone in my family and they're getting all the tea because I'm spilling it all right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they, and I think [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I've been with Gus for over four years now, and I think that Gus, which is like truly my like real serious relationship, I've had some others, but like that has sort of like, it's sort of brought it all to life for them, because my family is like very like relationship focus, like everyone has a partner, like it's very [SPEAKER_01]: or even if they're not in a relationship, it's just, it's like a small town simple thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so they kind of can see that I now have found my person and it's a man and it's kind of like, finally answered the question that they knew, they knew the answer to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But now there's sort of like, [SPEAKER_01]: This is it and like you are building a life together.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, in Bimpy, so cute, like Bimpy, my grandfather is a hundred and four icon legend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Every time I see him, if Gus is with me, he's like, what's Gus?

[SPEAKER_01]: What's he doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: What's he up to?

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just really sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, it's so nice that you two just get to live together and you beat your best friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you're like roommates, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just so cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: And like I don't know that he thinks that we're gay or not because like I haven't explicitly done like [SPEAKER_01]: were like, faggot's, but he, I mean, like, what other answer is there, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: And he just the way that he phrases it is just really sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he sees him as like, if he isn't with me, like, something's wrong, you know, which is like kind of all you want.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really sweet.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, speaking of the guilt of the age, a one hundred and four year old man who is seeing his grandson live his bliss with a gorgeous man like us.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's, there's something, it's, I think it's like, [SPEAKER_04]: The older the person is in our life, and then the more they show any interest in our partners or gay parts of our lives, like the better it feels.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like my, my been being my life is named Poppy, and he's turning ninety seven this year.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he, when, when he asks about Matt as well, or when he sees Matt, it's like, I don't want to say that it's like lucky that they accept, but it's just even more meaningful because they're from a time and it was literally against the law.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, my uncle who never really came out as anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, he even in his death, he lived with my grandfather, Bimpy, and my grandma his whole life until he died when he was sixty-nine.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so there was a level of visibility, but also...

[SPEAKER_01]: vagueness that I witnessed for so long, and so it feels really nice to be sort of like not being, I'm not being vague.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like I'm really just, there's no question.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you're pointed at your pointer sister.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think people really respond to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I get really, I get really beautiful messages from people who follow me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And from a lot of young gaze too, who aren't really being modeled, relationships that look like mine.

[SPEAKER_01]: For better or worse.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this is, [SPEAKER_04]: This is what I really want to like, glean from you as a friend and a fan, is that you're so good about being yourself, having these boundaries.

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, a video that came up that made me think of you was a one miss will be Goldberg, who recently said the risk of being yourself, I'm paraphrasing.

[SPEAKER_04]: She goes the risk of being fully yourself.

[SPEAKER_04]: is not being liked.

[SPEAKER_04]: You have to be okay with the fact that obviously many people will love who you are, but some people will not.

[SPEAKER_04]: I myself, part of the reason I was crying in therapy is like, I'm so grappling with the idea that I have been told I'm too much and I'm trying to accept the fact that even if I am quote unquote too much, I'm allowed to accept myself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: you seem to accept yourself, protect yourself, was that innate or was that learned in therapy?

[SPEAKER_04]: How did you teach yourself to sort of like fuck the haters and post all the Instagram stories you post without worrying that it's too much?

[SPEAKER_01]: I still get told it's too much, but like the thing, the thing that's so [SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that comes with a certain level of privilege because obviously there's so much going on in the world where people don't have a choice to do really much with their life because they're battling much more things.

[SPEAKER_01]: We get to choose, like we get to choose who our friends are, we get to choose who our family is, and you know, and by that I mean like you have to be able to say no to certain people if they're not harmful or if they're not helpful.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you get to choose who you follow on social media, like you get to make all of these decisions, but you have to do it for a place of like security and like knowing who you are and what you like.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that has come a lot through therapy, which it sounds like you're, you know, also doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, there's so many ways speaking of privilege to find therapy, whether it's not very exciting scale.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, you can get perspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: on, you know, it's like when you're cooking and you make something and you taste it and it doesn't taste good, you learn, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's really hard to, like, for me, it's like, okay, you can kind of be like, oh, the tomato paste that was too much of a zone of salt.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's really hard when you're like a human with a psyche and like emotions to know what, like, you don't even know what the wrong ingredient is, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So to have a professional help you reflect with your own personal recipe, I think it's really, [SPEAKER_01]: really, really special and really helpful.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then from there, you get to start making really good decisions on what works for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I try my best as a person who shares so much on the internet to let people know explicitly why they should or should not be following me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're not in on what I'm doing, then get help.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't need you here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't need me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, if my presence isn't good for you, then like, it's not good for like, but if your presence is not good for them, you're still able to tell yourself that your presence is of value.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think the hard thing that I sometimes deal with is like, if one person thinks a certain bad thing about me, I have to make sure to say that does not make me a bad [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it does it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Of course not because like you like there's a reason why you're doing what you're doing and like you are all like on this journey and so regardless of who's the right to control the wrong decision like you have to like believe in that and believe in yourself and it's not easy but [SPEAKER_01]: it's like really important because otherwise you're just you're like a hoarder you're like collecting the trash you're keeping it you don't know why it's there you can't get rid of it because it's on the two emotional like you gotta clean house babe every object you see behind me is and in my house I have a lot of shit but all of it makes me happy and I throw stuff out regularly [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that is a very good analogy because I have a birthday in like a month and I've been thinking last year I threw a party for my birthday that like stressed me the fuck out every day leading up to it and the morning after the party I was like relieved it was over so it was like well that was a lesson so as I'm turning thirty six this year and I'm like you know what if I like have like an ice cream party with like ten people and I keep it really small and I'm not gonna worry about like if I'm excluding anybody it's just like [SPEAKER_04]: Can I, so if we get back to the Let's Party, but all let's say like you have a great section about having mug parties in your first apartment.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say that the ice cream Sunday recipe in the mug party chat.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's what inspired us.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the best.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the best recipes in the book.

[SPEAKER_04]: And by the way, it really inspired me because you basically, the reason why this book, your books now plural are always so [SPEAKER_04]: helpful is that you give personal stories that like Amelia relate to my life so you said that your first apartment was this tiny west village place there was barely room to entertain but then this mug party idea came where like everything can be eaten from a mug so um before I want advice about my ice cream party speaking of mugs what do you look like in drag [SPEAKER_01]: What do I look like in drag?

[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can I tell you the best read?

[SPEAKER_01]: I love my girls and the DMs because they know the majority of them know how to read that thought god of me and the way that makes me so happy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And someone, the other day, I posted a photo of Gus with his mustache and his little unbutton shirt.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, if you and Gus had not yet done Val and Armon from the bird cage for Halloween, you absolutely have to.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that what just flashed into your head, what just flashed into your head, if you know what Gus looks like and you know what I look like, is so fucking powerful.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're the Nathan Lane, Gus is the Robin Williams.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what I look like in drag.

[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, I re-wash the Burkage on a plane recently and honey, it holds.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_04]: We do do couples costumes.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really do.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have how many music.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: The last time we dressed up, oh, while we were Guido's employees, because there was a grocery store in our house called Guido's in Great Barrington, and we were Guido's employees.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's how we knew we went.

[SPEAKER_01]: We went trick-or-treating with Morgan Spectre from the Golden Age because more pals.

[SPEAKER_01]: He lives now, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And his kids, and whatever, he's so hot, and the nicest person in the world, and it's so hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but uh, we, we went and we walked back the people who own Guido's grocery store their house and they were like, what are you guys doing?

[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, oh, that's amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were so cute.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the last time that we did a true couple's costume was, um, Gus was Valerie cherished and I was Mickey.

[SPEAKER_01]: He got Scott really hard because he loves like older men and so I'd like sprayed my hair gray and he was like oh my god.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh no, Gus and I share in the DMs are love for tattoos.

[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Val.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean we're obsessed with the cut back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like obviously it's all we want of course.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and God bless to she is coming back.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's coming back.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just like your three feet on the podcast, we're getting a three-pee Valor chair.

[SPEAKER_01]: And damn book and Tiski you followed Gus and the Dan Instagram, which was crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we were like, well, and he, if any gas listeners want to go back, damn book and Tiski was on this pod and we was, he was, he was.

[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about the comeback.

[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about it at all.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, [SPEAKER_04]: It's funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the world is burning in so many ways, but I do think we need to like, we need to celebrate the wins, which is that Valerie cherishes coming back, that there are, you know, character actresses being employed.

[SPEAKER_01]: I said this when Trump got elected, which was, you know, along the journey of shit and pudding, like community is going to be the key.

[SPEAKER_01]: like you need to have your ten-person ice cream party.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need to have a bite people or for dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need to say yes from someone in Bitesuit of the year, their house.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you need to gather in spaces that feel really good with people that make you feel really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you need to say no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Amen.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're invited to shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to make you feel good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Amen.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can you then help me with my ice cream party?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is ten, a good amount of people.

[SPEAKER_04]: What do they bring?

[SPEAKER_04]: Any advice for me?

[SPEAKER_04]: What do they bring what do I what do I supply like how do I make it work.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean so one there's the rest of my book which is inspired by a magic seven layer magic bar which has a coconut and the caramel on the chocolate so you could just throw that party and you make like homemade chocolate and you homemade [SPEAKER_01]: hot food, you make homemade caramel sauce, you have walnuts, you make a coconut whipped cream and the whole thing tastes so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you could just have that set up, probably double everything and just have that set up.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what I enjoy as well is if you want to have a user participation, you can say bring your favorite ice cream topping, right, or bring your, and like so you have all the ice cream, you say you tell people, I'm going to have hot food, I'm going to have whipped cream, I'm going to have sprinkles, I'm going to have nuts.

[SPEAKER_01]: bring your favorite ice cream topping that isn't that and then you make a Sunday bar and you all just like do whatever and chill and watch silly movies and you just like make ice cream some days and you should probably get really fun vessels you could do mugs you could buy like you know boats like banana like I'm sure the fun you know the internet people always forget the internet exists when they ask me questions that they could Google but I will tell you [SPEAKER_01]: Find funny, like, is there, like, a Sunday boat or, like, make it silly and, like, really lean in.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's specificity, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's about, like, this is a ice cream.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're not having pizza.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna put out chips.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we are focusing if it doesn't have to do with ice cream, like, don't, we don't have to worry.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so eat your dinner before.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm ready for dessert.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or have it be in the afternoon, you know, that ice cream social at, like, three p.m.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right that actually sounds lovely.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's sometimes we forget we as gay people forget that the daytime exists, but you know I don't need not me Okay, I'm up at six a.m.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she is booked in busy.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's cleaning her house She's going the farmers market.

[SPEAKER_01]: I I'm a daytime girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to date that guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: We love the daytime culture [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: through it all, through it all.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I kind of love, you're like, you're saying that people forget the internet exist.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think I kind of love that now like people like you, bo and you know, actors, actresses, whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like you can sometimes see when they remember they have a platform where they can speak straight to cam and get straight cut straight through.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because back in the day, you had to do it through a publicist or through, uh, and now we're just direct to cam.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now we're direct to camp.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is good.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, you go you go.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just can say like I say that when people forget that the internet exists in my world, they it's sort of like when you go home to visit your parents and the way that I do this is [SPEAKER_01]: I become a puddle in front of my mother.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be like, Mom, can you?

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, bitch, like, I taught you how to do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're in the face of that maternal nurturing mother who raised you or replaced mother with any word that works for you, you sort of fall apart and slip into this, like, help the zone.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when people ask me questions, it's mostly shit that they already know, but they need to hear from mom.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I take that as a relief.

[SPEAKER_01]: I take it as a big compliment.

[SPEAKER_04]: They want the warm embrace.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: They need that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Dan grocery Pelosi.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they want a latch bitch.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right turn, but I love the puns in the book.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's a section called Let's Grill Girls.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can you tell me what pop girlies would make a perfect dinner party at your cost?

[SPEAKER_04]: Name the girls that you would love to have around your table.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, I'm so bad at this.

[SPEAKER_01]: To me, I'm like the Skyler sisters from Pammulti.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are they coming back from the dead or are they the actresses playing them on Broadway?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, probably, I just went to this crazy one of the crazy things a little about you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the Hamilton like dinner on the stage at the public theater and then Manuel and Renee Lee's Goldberry, who's a queen from Girl's Five Ovo, which is one of my favorite things in the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and uh, the other guy, uh, fuck what's his name.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, like the other junior, I was like John Wilkes booth because I was like, is it Sarah Jessica Parker, John Wilkes booth, Jennifer like, well, don't worry.

[SPEAKER_04]: I call it nine a gardens husband Gary, so we're all.

[SPEAKER_01]: You did.

[SPEAKER_04]: They'll fight for a lot somewhere here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this is my kind of music.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like not a huge pot, like I'm not like a huge [SPEAKER_01]: Like I know it, and I hear it, but I'm not.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I loved when Dan Platt sang that Pepsi song because it was like Broadway, but yes, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_03]: So on your job, and you go, I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I like that kind of like really drawn out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they're saying all reports coming in are saying there's no song of the summer, which is like, well, they reset, I think that's the song of the summer now, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I just post I think so.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is the SOS.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did, I was obsessed with the espresso.

[SPEAKER_01]: Last forever.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she could.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know who the fuck sings.

[SPEAKER_01]: That song also Rachel.

[SPEAKER_01]: I bring a carpenter.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's probably twelve team.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love fight songs.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Rachel, plan could come.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's my song because it's the worst song in the whole world, but it will stick to your literal bones.

[SPEAKER_04]: Every time I click on a story when it pops up and you're, you're, you're, you're, you're story going.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is my fight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a drama response, but a happy, drama response.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, where's my Barry's boot camp?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've ever gone there ever well, but like that, if I did, it would, that would have to be on.

[SPEAKER_04]: A Barry's boot camp is a cult, and I say that with love and respect for the people who are a part of it, because I've, I've, I've watched Matt be indicted.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've watched, I've watched our dear friend.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's now doing a seven day challenge, one burr, burr is class of day.

[SPEAKER_04]: I say, I say, honey, the marketing is working and I love that the buy product is that these people feel healthier and more empowered.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do think it is a religious cult.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have a really fucked relationship of diet and exercise.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole other podcast speaking of boundaries and therapy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bill, I do too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I literally said last night to these people, I was like, God, I look forward to the day that I don't feel like it eighth grader playing shirts versus skins when I go to any exercise event.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like if it works for you, mommy's happy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like, um, yeah, I think, you know, I do have like a, I have my like rebust single mom who works to jobs.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have my Shania, let's go girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: I also [SPEAKER_01]: have unstoppable by Cia, and then I have faith.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm on that level.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's why, you know that every time I play that, because I play, I have a Porsche with no break.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't sing, but do you know how many people are like, I'm today years old that I know that that it's Porsche with no breaks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or whatever that thing people say with like, today years old, I'm like, what does that mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: But there today years old, because now they know it, says she says Porsche with no breaks.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's my- That's my full show with no movie.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, yeah, that makes sense to me that your pop girlie dinner is all women over the age of forty five.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: The size to bring a carpenter.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little fair documentary that someone's making, which I'm freaking out about.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the other word in the old golden era of documentaries, by the way.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I want to, I want to shout out those people out.

[SPEAKER_01]: To you know, I'm going to see a tinglewood, which is like the most incredible Berkshire's art mom outdoor music menu.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to see Bonnie Ray.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know who Bonnie is?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what Bonnie Raid is?

[SPEAKER_01]: She's my boyfriend's mom's close friend.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're kidding.

[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't revealed this to the campus.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kathia.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kathia.

[SPEAKER_04]: Bonnie Raid is Gus's mom's dear friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: They go hiking and like go out to dinner and shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this is my favorite genre right now of famous women, which is women who have made a big mark on culture, but are also age-ed, because I was in the age-ed as a compliment and thank God.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was in Sun Valley, Idaho, with my family, long story, and my sister-in-law, her family has a place there, so I guess that's the full story.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they, um, they saw Carol King at the grocery store.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I said to myself, imagine.

[SPEAKER_03]: You make me feel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, shopping for mac and shoes.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's insane.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can I tell you a story about by grocery store that just made me think of this speaking of age and women?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know the clothing store, Jay Joe?

[SPEAKER_04]: Jay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jill.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was at the Big Y in Great Barrington a few months ago, and the woman checking me out, her name tags as Jay Jill, and she's like very Jay Jill age.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh my god, like Jay Jill, like people must ask you all the time, like, you know, Jay Jill, like such, and she goes, no, I am Jay Jill.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wait, what?

[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, yeah, I started the clothing store up here in the Berkshire.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like years ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I sold it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now I just like work here because I love it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it like keeps me alive.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, one has a story.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Jade Jill herself.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jade Jill is checking me out at Big Y.

Like, as that is what keeps, that's what's keeping me alive as a gay man.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just listening, it's being...

Jade Jill's like, what are you doing with this whole milk?

[SPEAKER_01]: And why is there five gallons?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm like recipe testing pudding.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, what's happening?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, but I'm a Jade Jill checking you out with five gallon whole milk.

[SPEAKER_04]: It rings true for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the most me thing that's ever happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I literally was like, I don't even know who's a towel.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you tell Eric Williams on that's a gas podcast under third appearance.

[SPEAKER_04]: You were checked up by Jay Jill.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's like fucking Jay crew.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like not a person.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, that's that's as if I was at Trader Joe's and I couldn't I can't find [SPEAKER_04]: the cookie butter ice cream and then I say, hey can you help me?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Jay crew.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like lame Brian.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like literally like and Taylor and Taylor where I worked for years.

[SPEAKER_04]: My ex-boyfriend's first job was that lady foot locker and I wear that with a badge of honor.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great drag name.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now lady.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the lady for like she's like she's on the gilded age.

[SPEAKER_01]: Her name is lady.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they like it now.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's bustled.

[SPEAKER_01]: They announced people when they walk in like there was two balls in the finale last night, two balls.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they announced you and you walk into the ball and they would say, and now lady foot locker, that would be really good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe that's you.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be back in the next mug party full of people.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be a lady foot locker.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're wearing a black and white striped shirt.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll listen.

[SPEAKER_04]: Since we're talking about Jay Jill, we're talking about Miss Lady Foot locker, bankruptcy Pelosi.

[SPEAKER_04]: I am going to ask you the final podcast question, which the answer can change on the daily.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that question is, if the world was ending, you could only save one character, actress, who would you save today?

[SPEAKER_01]: it would be, and this is so such good timing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would be Ashley Akinsen.

[SPEAKER_01]: L-I-E, she plays.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I, I, guilt is age.

[SPEAKER_04]: I, I, I, I've been shooting it.

[SPEAKER_01]: She plays, miss is fish, miss is fucking fish is her name.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the best character on the gilded age because she's a gay man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's stuck.

[SPEAKER_01]: So such a fucking like she reads everyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's at the heart.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's in the gossip queen.

[SPEAKER_01]: She keeps it real.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: This actress is so fucking good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then she also plays Carrie's editor on and just like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm on her Wikipedia.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I have seen her name pop up.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've seen because she, I, I'm like the first person who should be watching the guilty day.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, glued into all the internet memeage.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's like, I, she seems to be like the girl that we would be very safe with gossiping over cafeteria lunch.

[SPEAKER_01]: Literally a safe space and then last night after I'm screaming like taking photos of her posting on my stories that I would die for Mrs.

Fish.

[SPEAKER_01]: I go to that I do what you do.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the Wikipedia.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on her IMDB.

[SPEAKER_01]: I go to her Instagram.

[SPEAKER_01]: She fucking follows me.

[SPEAKER_04]: What?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's when you're like, okay, if I get you made it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And bitch, you made it.

[SPEAKER_04]: The character act dressed that you love from the gilded eight on Oshbe.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, already follows.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's a grossie girl.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mrs.

Fish is a grossie girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: Ethan Mrs.

Fishbitch.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I wrote the Fishbitch for her.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mrs.

Fishbitch.

[SPEAKER_04]: We've shout her out.

[SPEAKER_04]: We shout you out.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if I can, a very genuinely buttered your biscuit, when I first had you on the podcast, I was telling friends the other day that I was interviewing you.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I asked you on as, which is the fan.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the fact that I can now count you as a friend and someone that I can like DM with a random question, I feel that Ashley Atkinson is one of the many people who are blessed to have you in their lives.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it would be one thing just to know you as like a good girly that I enjoy kicking with, but it's another thing to be able to like so proudly.

[SPEAKER_04]: support the work that you do that is absolutely next levels of bonkers good you guys the recipes the pictures I'm a dessert queen the desserts that they give you the different ways to like throw a perfect night gay straight or otherwise [SPEAKER_04]: It's out on September second and I think every single person listening would very much benefit from owning all of Grossy Pelosi's books and following him.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I just want to make sure that they know that September second is around the corner and so pre-order and just live your fucking party bliss with this book.

[SPEAKER_01]: It would be so happy.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to just say it's called Let's Party.

[SPEAKER_01]: What are you looking for it and you're probably a link somewhere, but it's called.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's linked in the description.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's all it's all, uh, oh, yeah, of course, because we're recording an audio podcast.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's party recipes and menus for celebrating every god damn day.

[SPEAKER_04]: I added the god damn and it's Dan.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just adore you and I can't I and I'm already counting down the hours until we have your fourth appearance.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so ready.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get it like the after hours like dirty podcast.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, do it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we and we'll release it on Substack.

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I'm asking you shall receive.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll make sure maybe I'll do a duo episode with you and gusts for though.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be really fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is there anything else you would like to share or plug before we sign off?

[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to say thank you for having me and I hope that everyone listening is inspired to check out my new book or my first book and you know if you have any questions for mom just shoot me at the end because I'm here for you.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she answers, but she does.

[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks I'm the tired.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love you so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to go back.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for listening to that's a gay ass podcast if you enjoyed this three-peat guest Dan Pelosi let me know in the YouTube comments or just leave a five-star review on Apple Spotify or ever you enjoy this gay ass god for sake and podcast if you'd like more gay ass or you can follow me on social meds linked in the description [SPEAKER_04]: or by all means, subscribe to the sub-stack where there are bonus episodes there that are very spicy and absolutely delicious that a sub-stack.com slash at Eric Wills.

[SPEAKER_04]: I hope you're enjoying this God first sake and horrible timeline we're living in.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just take care of yourself and at the end of the day, stay gay.

[SPEAKER_04]: You've been listening to that's a gay ass podcast hosted by me, Eric Williams.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a gay ass podcast is executive produced by Eric Williams and produced by Nathaniel McClure.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see you next week.