[SPEAKER_02]: We really, really gay podcast that we called that's a gay podcast at the gay a name for gay a podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to that's a gay ass podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: The podcast that asks whose fault is it that your gay?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's me, Eric Williams, and this week we have ourselves a gay icon which I know that word is overused, but Michelle Collins is that if you don't know Michelle [SPEAKER_03]: You actually do.

[SPEAKER_03]: She is every gay man's best friend and a literal icon.

[SPEAKER_03]: Listen to this woman's resume.

[SPEAKER_03]: She was one of the co-hosts of the view.

[SPEAKER_03]: She just moderated a bravo con panel mere weeks ago.

[SPEAKER_03]: She has an almost daily podcast called the Michelle Collins show.

[SPEAKER_03]: She had her own serious radio show and she's performed live all over the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: including a show I just pissed my pants watching called wait why don't I know you trigger warning I do gush a lot in this interview because it is against my religion not to I have followed and been obsessed with this woman for years so please enjoy the legend the actual gay icon [SPEAKER_03]: That is Michelle Collins.

[SPEAKER_03]: Michelle Collins is somebody that I have jodored for years upon years.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the fact that you were on that that gay ass podcast makes this a gay ass national holly day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Michelle Collins, thank you for being you and for being a gay icon and for being here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I should tell you the funny thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, it's true honor to be here, Eric.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as I was just saying, I rarely do podcasts, and I said I'm going to do Eric, William's as podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also noticing I tried to make the background clear and you know I'm cat sitting and there's a big bag of dry food.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can I move it?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of distract me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hold on.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to move the cat, the dry food.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Michelle, well, we have to kind of call out a couple things here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Number one, yes, I've been a fan.

[SPEAKER_03]: Number two, Jim Cantillo is a dear friend of mine and a dear friend of yours and a fan of yours.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he and I will gush over a Michelle Collins.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to thank Jim for being a part of the facilitation of this happening.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I have a lot of questions for you, heart-hitting journalism, even, because question one, you have been someone that's been aligned with one of the women who made me gay.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the one, Ms.

Wilpie Goldberg.

[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, Michelle Collins, you famously crashed Wuppie Goldberg's family vacation.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's posts of yours online where you're in a hot tub with her, sorry, sorry, with Czechsnotes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Michelle's daughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: And her daughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: How many chapters will the Wuppie Goldberg vacation fill in your memoir?

[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, it's a beautiful first question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me open by saying you have great taste because is there anyone better on this planet than what we Goldberg?

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love what we, I feel very honored that I'm still in touch with her and that I, you know, can still say I'm friends with her and I truly love her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I also love her family.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to tell you, if ever you get a chance to vacation with the Goldberg.

[SPEAKER_00]: run don't walk but I didn't invite myself on that vacation because you know my thing is that I glam on you know that but I essentially glambed onto two vacations in Sicily that happened to be right touching each other so the first was with my high school friend and Botox Dr.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dr.

Littal, who has the beauty clinic here in Miami, and they were staying at the four seasons.

[SPEAKER_00]: I did not stay there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I stayed at the Russian Hooker Hotel, not five minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it was very close.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that was fantastic.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I did end up crashing Michelle Vassages and would be his whole family situation in Orteja, Sicily.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Would there be any dynamics about what be in her family that would surprise us?

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know that she is a incredible human matriarch person, but any like off mic, off camera, qualities about what be or her family that would just be like, oh, huh, cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's funny that you're asking me an off-mic off-camera question on mic on the phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: So again, you know, it's funny before we started, your producer said, we'll try not to get too gay into rude.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, well, let's keep that as a note for the hour in your bordering.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, listen, what am I going to sit now?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just tell you like it is, what am I going to say?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, and I really mean this.

[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I love her family.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll say that her daughter, Alex, [SPEAKER_00]: is one of the funniest people I have ever met in my life and what I would say and this is not it's going to sound this is very true everything I'm saying it's going to sound like I'm kissing ass but I'm not on purpose um they're the most low key down to earth friendly funny people you will ever come across in your life if you [SPEAKER_00]: Met them without woppy being there.

[SPEAKER_00]: You would have no clue in the best way.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that like that they come from this Stock, you know from this iconic stock if you will so Alex is one of the few people on earth who can have me crying laughing She is I just adore her.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love her husband.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love her kids the grandkids the whole family.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a huge fan [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's actually like so unsurprising that will be his family would be the most salt of the earth because she is will be as the character actress that we love because she is someone who can be larger than life on camera or whether it's giving us views on the view, but you can tell off of it all.

[SPEAKER_03]: She is a perfect hang and that's why we love our character [SPEAKER_03]: Famous Actress.

[SPEAKER_00]: Famous Actress.

[SPEAKER_00]: Famous Actress.

[SPEAKER_00]: Michelle Collins.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I saw your show a dynasty type writer in the Los Angeles.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if anybody here has not yet seen Michelle live, the show that I saw is called Wait.

[SPEAKER_03]: Why don't I know you?

[SPEAKER_03]: You famously did it out Joe's Pub recently.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the lightning speed that you were able to connect with an audience, especially with a gay audience.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's partly why you're here is because you're really surrounded by gays so, so often.

[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, we've seen you photographed [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, with drag superstar trick scene, Mattel, you've been seen with figure skating icon Adam Rapam, friend of the pod, Brian Soffey, and of course, Mike Bloomberg, tell me Michelle Collins, um, what would you say is your on try into the gay manis fear?

[SPEAKER_03]: The question I asked my straight allies, who was your first, how did you know you would be beloved by the gaze and who is the first gay that you fell in love with?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is a great question.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you asked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me start by saying that first of all, thank you for coming to my show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually didn't know you were there and I'm very flattered and I'm sorry, we didn't get to meet after.

[SPEAKER_00]: So now that we've gotten that out of the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: My mother, who, if you listen to the show or you follow me in Instagram, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: is a gay icon and she's like old school gay icon.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is, you know, when I was little people would tell me and in middle school, whatever, my mom looks like a drag queen and this was in the 90s, you know, and I would come home really upset because I was a tall girl.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was bullied like all the, you know, because you wrote the show like all these things and it hurt my feelings and I would come home and say, you know, mom.

[SPEAKER_00]: They say you look like a drag queen and she go, okay, most beautiful women on earth.

[SPEAKER_00]: You say thank you, next time they say it, say thanks.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she's right, and she used to go with my dad in the 1980s down to South Beach, because I'm from Miami, which is where I am right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: And go to glam slam, princess club, and all the balancers, who are these older gay gentlemen, will go miss Judy, comment, like my mother is a middle-aged Jewish woman, who would have her hair done, the makeup done.

[SPEAKER_00]: She never left the house without makeup, always done.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the blazer game, unbeatable, unmatched.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so my mom who's also very funny, although not a professional performer, but naturally hilariously funny, she already had a big gay fan base.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of grew up in a house that was already kind of a gay, iconic, old, in a way, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're a gay nabo baby in a way.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a gay and F.O.

[SPEAKER_00]: Baby, let's beautiful.

[SPEAKER_00]: Autobiography title, thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done, marked it, like, you know, as far as, you know, you wrote in the email when you were talking, you were like, oh, who's the first, I was really thinking about this, because when you really think about it, how many gay icons or gay actors and cartoon characters did we grow up with as kids, not even knowing what that was, just knowing, I really like this person.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is, you know, I was always a funny kid, always a performer, and I just loved funny people, which most of the time happened to be funny, women, or gay men in my book, you know?

[SPEAKER_03]: But you also speak to so beautifully the idea that you were this tall, damn, in school, getting bullied and feeling like you're sticking out.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think many a gay kid, obviously, whether there's height or otherwise, are very much sticking out because of what?

[SPEAKER_03]: are Britney Spears posters on the wall when all of the boys are, you know, too busy, worrying about taking a shit next to each other, uh, mid or gallery, but that was just my twin brother.

[SPEAKER_03]: However, I do very straight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fascinating to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, go on.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that's why that's why I think probably why I've been born into this life of gay podcast jury is because I it was always fraught with tension of the straight mirrored version.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's a foot shorter and we have nothing in common, but they quote unquote mirrored version of myself being Sort of seen in the world as someone who like belongs blends in knows how to be and yet the Michelle Collins is are people who were sort of seen as [SPEAKER_03]: What are you seeing as different?

[SPEAKER_03]: So do you think that you're partly such and I'm I'm saying this so you know Yeah, no need to be humble But do you think you're such a genius funny person?

[SPEAKER_03]: Gorgeous all of these things because you had had to figure out how to transcend the naysayers Why do you think bully people?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why are we funny?

[SPEAKER_03]: Why are we funny?

[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, that's what most of the show, wait, why don't I know you?

[SPEAKER_00]: I would say like a quarter of it is talking about and also showing pictures what a freaky looking kid I was.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was strange.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was always the tallest kid in class and this was before the internet.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I couldn't buy ASO's jeans.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was at like, Macy's buying plus sized gowns, you know, next to church doors.

[SPEAKER_00]: thinking, hmm, I don't know if this is like my style, but I didn't really have a style.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have a choice.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was either men's clothing or this like horrible women's clothing at the time, you know, so that was definitely a part of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But no, listen, I was bullied beyond.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I also skipped a grade.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now this, this is the best podcast I've ever done.

[SPEAKER_00]: I get to brag about how the fact that I was a child prodigy.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, my joke about it is that by the time I got to first grade, I was so tall that the teacher was like, bitch too big.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got to move her up and move me straight to second grade.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I was the youngest in my class.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was the tallest.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was strange.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was smart.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like to read like I was just a weird dork.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's no question that my humor was born from being otherd.

[SPEAKER_00]: a hundred percent and a thousand percent it's why I connect so much with the gay community because we've been through it and like my bullying was bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it was I was like one of the bully kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: What ended up happening and I'll own this is that when I got to middle school, seventh grade was probably the worst year for me as far as just like everyone's also.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I was 12 or 11.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was really young.

[SPEAKER_00]: And just now the hormones are kicking in for people, whatever, and I really turned the corner in seventh grade.

[SPEAKER_00]: I decided I'm gonna be funny and I fell in with a group of really tough Italian sluts in my school.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I love those girls, wherever they are, I don't keep in touch.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, shout out to the Italian sluts.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think I go to Italy so much?

[SPEAKER_00]: When I was a little bit, we got to find the Italians.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say thanks, face to face.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank those of you who I noticed.

[SPEAKER_03]: The white loads of Italian slots.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think you probably felt very seen by the hookers in season two.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, those are sort of kind of classic OG Italian slots.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we just want to tip a hat to them.

[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: We love those.

[SPEAKER_00]: We love those.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, that's from my friend state.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the hotel my friends were at.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like the poor person of the road.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tough story.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, please.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I first started going there, because I was like, oh, I get to be a poor glomer.

[SPEAKER_00]: My Jeffrey glomer, you know, it's my nickname.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought, oh, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: So first I'm going over.

[SPEAKER_00]: My friend was like, hey, one of my kids will come get you because they're not just allowing anyone inside.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, yeah, yeah, I got it because you know, I'm good at like pulling the moves or I'm coming.

[SPEAKER_00]: I walk in.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, Miss Collins.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is day two.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, I miss Collins.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Please, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: This way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Roll the red carpet out for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Oh, Giovanni, you're crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she went she saw me with a pull.

[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, how did you get her?

[SPEAKER_00]: I said, girl, I walked my big ass in and they let me in She goes, you know her family was paying so much money, okay?

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, do you know that they're looking for our hotel keys every time we come in my in-laws my kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well [SPEAKER_03]: You just gotta own it sometimes because there's a certain it factor and a certain I belong at the white lotus hotel Giovanni How good to see you again?

[SPEAKER_03]: You need to have a certain genus say qual delusional.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that but for me for you It's not delusion some certain people have like the ego delusion.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you just have like [SPEAKER_03]: If I may quote my gay therapist, I saw 42 minutes ago, you have a sense of quote-unquote persona and true self.

[SPEAKER_03]: You have an ability to see who that you are valuable without bells and whistles, but you also know when to go to tut, if you have to get into a hotel in which you are not staying.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, are you my gay therapist?

[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is you're really on to something with that and that I've never been more flattered.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do your show every week.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, now that this is another week for the ice and you must speak.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never felt better about myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so we had to go back to your question.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no question.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then I had a moment where I was like a bit of a bully in the eighth grade.

[SPEAKER_00]: Alone it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I knew you were going to go there, it has to happen, though, because it's all a trauma response.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what, those who are bullied at one point half to bully because we have to try on the pants for size.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think that you bullied throughout your entire youth.

[SPEAKER_03]: How you did you try to run one girl, one girl, one year.

[SPEAKER_00]: You was annoying.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not talking to annoying people deserve to be bullied.

[SPEAKER_00]: I also think that you, you know, thought you think to her.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Andrea, we love you, Gourli.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I have to say that you clearly led this life of being uh, beloved by the gaze, but was there like a theater part of your journey in high school?

[SPEAKER_03]: Can we talk about like, were you always forced to play the mom simply due to height?

[SPEAKER_03]: What was, uh, your gay theater experience?

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great question.

[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, my mother, who was also tall growing up in her school had to play the king, speaking again about gender reversals.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this was in, you know, the 50s and 60s.

[SPEAKER_03]: So this was like a king and I or princess.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, just like if they were doing like a biblical story, she was the king.

[SPEAKER_00]: She had to wear my grandfather's shoes like because she was the biggest kid in class.

[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, okay, we got our king.

[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I was a speech and debate or in high school.

[SPEAKER_00]: So for those who don't know my high school did not have a great theater program Big shout out to North Miami Beach senior, which is now I think six portables Near the Everglades, but it's um, I love my high school.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to tell you and I had a great debate teacher named Mr.

Allerie And also was my brother's teacher and my brother was the one who kind of was like, oh, you'd be graded debate But obviously not like real debate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna sit here and like argue people who brought files These are like the future lawyers [SPEAKER_00]: Forensics has oral interpretation, dramatic interpretation, humorous, all of these different categories where you would take a full play and cut it down into ten minutes.

[SPEAKER_00]: So one of my plays which will have you, you don't already know this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I was a junior.

[SPEAKER_00]: I played Maria Callis and Masterclass.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know that?

[SPEAKER_00]: You may have.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was 15 years old in a Palazzo pantsuit in a Greek accent was obviously Italian because they've never heard a Greek person.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, stop eating.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was the sluts in white lotus.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to learn how to sing whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I had these very shaking because they were the judges, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I was scared.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like six foot tall, 15 years old, confident, even though, you know, underneath extremely weak, but coming off very confidently and it did pretty pretty well, but I was up against Josh Gad, famed actor Josh Gad was my competitor and credit where it's due.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just was not beating Josh Gad, so yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: your villain origin story is being by Josh Gallagher's reaching debate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't got complex.

[SPEAKER_03]: Myography number two, Gadcomplex.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're on to something here, but if I may connect the theater her stream at all, I think speech debate of course makes a lot of sense for you.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you did deploy this past summer about getting an invite to the Tony Awards and as a theater fact myself who feels so pulled to you because of, yes, you're going to iconic, but also you just are a woman of the world, which we will get into the international travel.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you did end up going to the Tony Awards this year.

[SPEAKER_03]: What's your relationship to Broadway at the moment?

[SPEAKER_03]: Are you, do you classify yourself as a theater queen and you remember a memorable moment?

[SPEAKER_03]: the tones of it all.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm loving your questions.

[SPEAKER_00]: So professional.

[SPEAKER_00]: How do you realize it could be such I am having the best time of my life?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even just saying it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I did sneak into the tones with my old neighbor, John, who has a fabulous Instagram and TikTok account called here in New York and he explores, you may know, him, he explores all these different corners of New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's wonderful.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he had an extra influencer ticket, which he gave to me and so we went together.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be honest, when it comes to modern Broadway, I'm not the biggest fan, just being very upfront.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I need to be able to hum.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need a melody, I don't know how to put it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I saw Hamilton, no shade to the Hamilton fans out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was in wicked when I was in the view.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was in wicked for two minutes, because they were like, oh, we'll put you on Broadway.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, Lee, Miss, my favorite, they were like wicked.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know how much music it was in the vase.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, oh, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you're holding my nightmares.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not a big modern day, but I love musicals, and I remember watching guys and dolls when I was 10, the movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that was where the bug bit me, where I was like, oh, this is so much fun, and look at the joy and the music, and I love to sing, and it's just, it's a wondrous art form.

[SPEAKER_00]: uh, musical point.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like, did your, as your mom sort of being, uh, confused as a drag queen, I assume that she also loved a guy's in doll.

[SPEAKER_03]: I assume she also, do you have like the Jewish staff that also like has a fixation on old Broadway and Barbara, Barbara Streisand that makes people think gay, but you say no, just Jewish man with taste.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know where you're going with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, my dad was, I mean, they loved West Side story.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously, he loved my dad had old school taste, but like, still very straight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he, my whole life, there are two movies he tried to get me to watch and I refuse.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yanky Doodle, Dandy, in the mainstream candidate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, dad, I love you.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not happening, like, he likes history.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: The mainstream candidate is such a dad movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, please, I'm like, love him, love him, but no, it's not happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, no, my mom love musicals.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know love music, but not to the extent that I grew up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was very lucky.

[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up going to London, and so we would see Andrew Lidwebber musicals.

[SPEAKER_00]: We saw Blood Brothers when I was 10, which I love.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know every word to Blood Brothers.

[SPEAKER_00]: Tommy, it's not true.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cheers.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what it all?

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't at all, and I just want to know the three gay people who are right now going.

[SPEAKER_03]: Blood brothers, there's about four and a half people listening that are able to identify, but I'm not one of them, but I understand that that is not my next journey, which is to are there even YouTube Boots?

[SPEAKER_00]: There are YouTube bootlegs, but what you should do is go and Spotify, and there's the version that I saw this version in London with Kiki D.

It's the only version I acknowledge.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do the Broadway none of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are two songs that I will emotionally manipulate people.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm in a road trip or whatever, I will put on easy terms and tell me it's not true.

[SPEAKER_00]: One time I was on a road trip within the past couple of years, COVID trip, and it's super spreader as you know, [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, we have to listen to blood brothers because no one knows it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, oh, this is great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I put on tell me it's not true and turned around two of the girls in the back, sobbing.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't even know the story.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a good song.

[SPEAKER_00]: They were like crying.

[SPEAKER_00]: I said it's one of the best.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's bad though that I re-saw it in Al's Bre UK last year, I think, with my friend Derek.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, no, this musical actually sucks.

[SPEAKER_00]: But listen to the Kiki D version, you'll thank me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Kiki, tell me it's true and I will tell you the truth of my tears once I listen and I can't wait.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for your time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and easy term.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for dropping the the niche Broadway series.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, I don't love it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't love a wicked or a Hamilton.

[SPEAKER_03]: I will talk about blood brothers and the Kiki production.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, when we get into your CS, we're getting into sort of like your personal lower, but career-wise, I am so in love with following you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Jim Cantel and I had a full conversation about your star and what we are manifesting for you, but for the listeners who maybe aren't as acquainted.

[SPEAKER_03]: You, yes, we're on the view, famously in 2015, but you've also appeared on, I mean, like Chelsea Laylee, Joy Bay Harsho, Tyra Banksho, Wendy Williams, work with Kathy Griffin.

[SPEAKER_03]: You, though, are full of this itfactor singularity, but I think you also have to be really [SPEAKER_03]: person of your end, if I may say, in this industry, how do you find that you are able to put yourself out there so publicly, even though there is the risk of failing or even firing?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is there something that you were like taught?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a genusic law from your mom?

[SPEAKER_03]: How did you get back in the game after the view ended and how do you continue to just like persevere as somebody who wants some of that genusic law?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, because you want to know what the truth is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I do it because I don't know what I'll say would do.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not even a matter of like, oh, I'm got to get back out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never thought that, um, luckily in this day and age, you can just make your own luck kind of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I have my own show and whatever else, but, um, listen, when the view ended, everyone always wanted me to like talk shit about that show.

[SPEAKER_00]: And one day, I'm sure I will, but at the moment, I'm like, listen, that was a break that people would die to have.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are people who are very accomplished, brilliant, beautiful women who have never gotten that job.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I, despite everything, and there is some stuff, obviously, I choose to look back at that time so gratefully because you'd be a fool.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be really selfish, I think, not to.

[SPEAKER_00]: And as a result of that, I was hosting these aftershows.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when that show ended, listen, I've been unemployed unemployed when I listen to LA.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know the difference between being unemployed.

[SPEAKER_00]: or like gigs here and there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was working, I was doing after shows and other things.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I got my serious exam job, which I loved working there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, they're for about five years.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was an amazing opportunity for me and just gave me like three hours a day to bullshit and do whatever else.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, listen, it's funny because like I've had the big break in a way and yet now I'm like, well, maybe I'll get another big break and maybe I won't I mean, it is literally it is like I just do what I do and enjoy my life But that's what I think a lot of people talk about when we're just like comparing notes in the in the biz of it all is that a big break can come and then we have expectations or hopes of what comes after that and then the like harsh reality of [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, every break isn't forever, and I have not been on the view or had my own serious show, but I've had like enough little things that the listeners have blood through their eyes, as I talk about nearly every week, but like I got to like play a big role in a big national tour of a musical and I got back to New York thinking like, can't wait for Broadway, didn't work for eight months.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think there's like, there's such a difficult strength that you need to cultivate in like, oh my god, the big break says something about me and my career, and then if it doesn't pan out in the way that you thought it would, we have to really remind ourselves that we will still be here because A, we can't do anything else would be there's no other choice.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that that's like, [SPEAKER_03]: sort of the harsh reality of what we do, but you're showing the Michelle Collins show, we had Peruflora's on this pot recently and you cultivate such an amazing community of whether it's co-host or talking points, and you really get into some of the current events of it all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you feel in terms of the bravo current events of it all?

[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel about Rachel Zo coming onto real house as a Beverly Hills?

[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually just watched I think possibly both episodes.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm fully up to date on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I wasn't I'm going to see something really terrible.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'd first I was not excited.

[SPEAKER_00]: I never watched her show.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love Brad Gresky.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know Brad a little bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a sweetheart.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and there was something about her look.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a terrible thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say I am in the Session.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was a thing behind her look that I just did not like like I just don't know what it was like she just had our Post face all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's looking I couldn't you know when you meet someone it's like the Olson twins I feel the same way about where I'm like I can't picture him laughing like I literally don't know what they would look like laughing And that's kind of how I felt about Rachel.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know you know the common denominator there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll say that like I actually like her on the show and I think she looks great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get that out there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think she really, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It looks very fresh and natural and very pretty.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is important to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry as a housewife.

[SPEAKER_00]: I need to be able to like how you look.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like part of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, especially on Beverly Hills, which I think, you know, people compare franchises right now in a way that frustrates me, where it's like, the drama on this show is nothing compared to that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, sweetie, Beverly Hills is not about people going to prison.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's about who did not get invited to what party and like, we were looking at wealth and beauty first and foremost on Beverly Hills specifically.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Rachel's, oh, I mean, like, she, I hope that she, I don't know, a friend of mine says she might be a one Susan wonder, but it's too early to tell.

[SPEAKER_03]: to make.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's like the LA Genolions, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like Jenna came down to New York and these are women who have like extremely lucrative careers outside of Bravo, Rachel, based on the amount of outsourcing I see at Marshalls and TJ Maxx alone with her label and everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I said that once and watch what happens and people thought that was a dig.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, are you on crack?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like my dream would be to have my name on a shirt.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's like, do you know how much money that's got in the candle?

[SPEAKER_00]: Forget it like you name it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would love a turn on that collection done.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's been a non-in turn on like also you're welcome.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was so close to anyone.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, we're a different little shirt for Eric today, but you know, that's amazing to me.

[SPEAKER_00]: She has a shit ton of money.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's so successful.

[SPEAKER_00]: She, you know, has already gotten divorced on like some of these housewives who choose to go on the show and then get divorced.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I've been, I feel like so got by Bronwyn's separation because I don't know why I thought that you know people are saying she might be on the show so that she can be in a position tip and then I was like no no they were meant they're they're going to make it and of course two seconds later they I feel like a marriage and a housewife is not a coupling that will see the light of day.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's, you know, I'm going to say something controversial.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there is an eq factor to be coming a housewife.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hate using that.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's also an eq factor to the word eq factor.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm familiar with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's something about it that's a little needy and a little bit like [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, even if some of it I'm sure is manufactured for the show or would have you and I love Bravo.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love housewives.

[SPEAKER_00]: I Bravo Con for me was like seeing heaven.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was genuinely one of the most surreal things I've ever done in my life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I really am not digging on the network at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that there is something like a little bit, mmm, I've had it as a husband watching your wife be like, I want to be a housewife.

[SPEAKER_00]: It just can't be good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of Bravacon, I watched you moderate the hell out of those panels and I have to say that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not says well, when I saw your show, I was like, I understand, I understand even more why I am such a fan, but also like why you are a legionious is because you're so much love and respect not well, you're there's so many there's so many we have so many thoughts we have so many.

[SPEAKER_03]: fingers out that are trying to, you know, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's extremely HD is what it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I have.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I have.

[SPEAKER_03]: But see what I have though.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to ask you about is like, I have ADHD coupled with people pleasing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And producer Nathaniel was actually talking about it a bit on the sub stack of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: All we just had a gorgeous episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: You had a moment with Heather Dubro that I thought was really like well done because you had a what I thought was like a really funny sort of like nod to the Orange County Gina of it all and then Heather sort of [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know how to describe it just like it's a challenge to it twisted twisted, but you I think did a beautiful job of sort of like acknowledging and then smoothing and then pushing.

[SPEAKER_03]: What is your feeling when you are though challenge or maybe misinterpreted?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you find that you people please?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you are at this juncture in your life?

[SPEAKER_03]: Are we doubling down?

[SPEAKER_03]: How is Michelle Collins sort of using that moment to like move to the next?

[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, or someone with this people pleasing thing, and I learned that people who have ADHD have this thing called justice sensitivity, where if, for example, getting skipped in line is like an easy example, but if someone skips me in line or driving in Miami, my road rage lately, I'm going to get shot in the head.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I'm just letting you know this may be my last interview ever because every day go out of my, today might be the day I just get shot like, [SPEAKER_00]: I go when I see people acting entitled or like animals or whatever it is, I will open my mouth and that is certainly that comes in your 40s because you just start not giving as big of a shit.

[SPEAKER_03]: I see.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you're saying justice sensitivity is the need to [SPEAKER_00]: Just stick up for yourself, stick up for other people.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and say, I think for the most part, I still people please for sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I still really, this is gonna sound so, I mean, I'm coming off like people are gonna be like, who does she think she is?

[SPEAKER_00]: Cause whatever, I really go out of my way to try to like make people feel good, which I know is that people pleasing element in me, but you know, when I'm at a restaurant or a store, or whatever it is, I really like to connect with people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm, I, [SPEAKER_03]: My husband hates when I become front of the server hates hates hates the best.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything better than blocking the server's affection?

[SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything better?

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, how do you think you get free drinks, dumbdams?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do it for the perks because I really like to make people feel good, but there are perks involved that don't hurt, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: So, do you find that too much of me?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, and we'll speak of the two sides of it all.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that you have this life with at your parents' condo and Miami, but you also have this international living.

[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, Brian Moellin is a dear friend of mine.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.

[SPEAKER_03]: we often talk about Michelle Collins as well and of course about his life in London and your life abroad.

[SPEAKER_03]: Would you say that there is a version of yourself?

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you change at all when you are living?

[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, before I go into that, can you tell the listeners how did you make that happen?

[SPEAKER_03]: How did you make it happen so that you could be in the states for whether it's just working or life but also find yourself in all these fabulous cities across the globe and when did that become a priority in your life?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it officially, I officially left New York.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was 2022 officially.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I had applied for Visa in the Netherlands.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's this thing called the Dutch American Friends Treaty or Draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't come up with that, but anyway, um, they're so funny the Dutch.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're so funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's true again.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was able to live there for two years, you know, coming back for work and whatever else which was a dream for me honestly and I really wanted.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it was like part of my life crisis but truth be told, COVID in New York was really difficult on me.

[SPEAKER_00]: It made me extremely anxious, like panic attack anxious genuinely and I was just like I can't do this anymore and I was the exact same time also how the panic attacks makes a lot of sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how I could have lasted there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And before I did that, I did like spend the summer and the Netherlands, the difference being I was paying rent and hotel, which, goodbye, I mean, that was, you know, draining me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now I just don't have an apartment.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd say one of the most annoying questions I get from everyone, and I know why they ask it, because it's like, I would ask it to people is, where are you living?

[SPEAKER_00]: So where are you?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's your living situation like?

[SPEAKER_00]: And when you tell people, well, I'm living all over right now, I don't have, I have storage units and like for international cities, but I don't sad but true, but I don't have an apartment.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell that they're judging, and it's like, but why are you judging?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because you wouldn't be able to do it, or you can see that they want to be like, oh, but I know it's coming from a place of, I don't know what it is, what do you think it is Eric?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you, you don't have to say it because my dumb gay ass brain just equated your international lifestyle to open relationships and forgive me, but if I may, there are people who have a judgmental ubu-bu-bu, genus-say-quah, and I think part of it comes from the part of their selves that wishes they had the blank to do so.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the people like so where even are you is the part of them that wishes that they have the flexibility to live their bliss and I think their own resentment that they are tied down by whatever it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Much like people are like, oh, so you are fucking other people.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna judge you but deep down I'm gonna wonder why am I not a person who could ever even consider that reality.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you send me your therapist info, because you are absolutely opening my eyes.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're great.

[SPEAKER_03]: Narodik, as a Narodik Jew, I've been in so much therapy.

[SPEAKER_03]: As Narodik gave you from the Midwest with a straight bully of a twin brother, the amount of therapy I've had to do to figure out why I am the way that I am and to allow myself to be my slutty.

[SPEAKER_03]: Silly.

[SPEAKER_03]: overthinking sugar addicted gay ass person like I I'm all about a self care therapy and I think that seeing other people the reason why we have the ADHD person people pleasing [SPEAKER_03]: empathing is because we were so bullied that we had to gauge other people's feelings and emotions.

[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe even, might we put a word on it, taking care of maybe our mother's emotions, which I myself very much have exactly, and I know you understand that.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that I've had to do so much inner work and outer work with a therapist and otherwise to just make sense of it all and that's probably why when I first started listening to it all made so much sense because I'm like there's there's crossover and I think that you're you living in all these different places.

[SPEAKER_03]: I only have sheer healthy jealousy, I want to be able to have my own business like you do and then go and work somewhere and then see a life that is outside of the one life you have, whether it's in Miami or New York or otherwise.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think you've been able to have such a broader view of the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure it's changed your perspective on your own self and your own life.

[SPEAKER_03]: And would you say that when you are abroad, if we go into the men of it all, is there [SPEAKER_00]: a thousand percent.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all toxic but in different ways.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the and actually true, it's true.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate to say it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I am online way too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that my algorithm is poisoning me to man in a way that I don't think is healthy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's really interesting how that works.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to catch it happening because it [SPEAKER_00]: I keep getting, this is not going to sound nice, whatever, I keep getting served these like women on Instagram who are dating.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, I won't mention any names, there's one in particular who I, I literally hate this person and I don't follow her.

[SPEAKER_00]: She comes up with me every day and I said, I'm gonna watch the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like every day, I can't look at her, I genuinely loath her.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she is like a real, I hate to say it, she's around my age single, you know, pretty enough whatever, not that matters, but let's be honest, kind of does, and successful, whatever, and she cannot find a man, but then she like cries about it in her car and like post these things, and I'm like, this is so humiliating to me, I can't even believe that you would put, like, put yourself out there in a way, but also to me, there is something a little bit crange about.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone like talking or making their whole instrument count is like single-girl dating to me is a death sentence I'm like you will never meet anyone this way I don't disagree.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think if you had dating issues before then you was talking about the dates or crying about it in your car We're not it's not signaling to the universe that someone's gonna come and say I want that [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: I follow a gay guy that does that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I gay guy that's all every video is about Who's my husband?

[SPEAKER_03]: Are you my husband?

[SPEAKER_03]: I need my husband and I understand the impulse and I'm not and now I sound like an asshole because I am married, but I under like I understand I understand the impulse and you want to put your heart out there and your art out there But I think if the actual heart angle of your content is why won't anybody date me?

[SPEAKER_03]: Watch me cry about it [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, are we communicating maybe let's come in from a different angle, you know, an angle of abundance, even?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, a thousand percent agree.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say I'm in a great place right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Truly like I feel great.

[SPEAKER_00]: I travel.

[SPEAKER_00]: I date.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have zero pressure on the situation.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Feelings get hurt.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a human being obviously or a great spur.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure, you know, in life, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as the international scene is concerned, [SPEAKER_00]: you know humor is like top for me like I have to have a man be funny and finding an actual funny straight man is not easy if it does not and especially and I'm gonna sound bragging but my kind of funny which isn't a way gay funny but it's also quick it's like you know you got to be faster or the very least laugh at me you know one of my kings are straight men who hide their laugh did ever talk to you about this like a hot straight guy who like won't show me that he's laughing [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're revealing one of the hottest things to me when they like don't you know what Michelle.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm married to a repressed Catholic man If you think my god, my king to get a laugh if you think if you think when Okay, so that's your king.

[SPEAKER_03]: My king is a man who I can tell is to shine repressed to show his true freak flag But underneath I know it's going [SPEAKER_03]: All I want is to reveal the freak of the shy that's inside the shy man, and I think it's just like they say when you're watching an Actress cry in a film.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's much more powerful to see her try to not cry Much like a straight man I know the clip you're referring to.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been going to be right You with a straight man and laughter [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing and like you know one of my biggest pet peeves is like straight guys who like I care about him or whenever They say that they want you to find them funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like will be funny and I'll find you funny.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean listen I have dated funny men like this is not Impossible, you know it they're out there, but the Dutch are not funny and I actually said they're they're hot though That's the confusion is that you get there and I'm a tall woman.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're all huge It's the first place I've ever been in my life where I didn't feel other for my height.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was like yeah [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very liberating feeling as a tall woman to walk around a city, even in a heel, and no one gives a shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell you how freeing that was.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll say that, uh, yeah, the Dutch, their hot, but oh my god, just the cockiest.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is not a hint of humility in that country.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're a bit passionless.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny that goes when it comes to finances.

[SPEAKER_00]: cuisine, romance, humor, it is a utilitarian country, and that goes even for for the platonic relationships.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have Dutch friends, they're all gay men, and a couple of women, but like, [SPEAKER_03]: You know, actually where you went, I think you were in Amsterdam for Thanksgiving and my hornia saw photo you post with some like gorgeous gay men I just got married and wrong though the handsomeest man I know I hate to tell you they're married.

[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to the shout out to the shout out to my god Marquette Frank I There are two of my favorite people roaming the plant at Marco happens to be Italian probably one of the funniest most gorgeous men I've ever met and I love Frank I'm Like if there were a thru up old to invite me it would even as they're made like I don't even want [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to be around them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm not going to ask about the if they're open or closed, but one day I will meet them and then I don't know the answer to be honest.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're closed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're closed.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got some unsolicited, my unsolicited feeling about what I want to manifest for you in terms of love.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I see from Michelle Collins is, yes, somebody who has the wit and the humor.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that he airs more toward [SPEAKER_03]: gafal laugh and anytime Michelle Collins says the line he is the first person to get it, but he's also obsessed with the spotlight shining on you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he can in private, you know, do the banter.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think when it comes to like in public, he is like really on the Michelle Collins [SPEAKER_00]: When that is he out there, Eric?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Would he be listening?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen, you know, I spent a lot of time in England.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you, our friends at Brian, I do love a British man.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're issue.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, my show should be going around the world and just reading every country's mental health because I'm telling you, like, first of all, it would be a huge hit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then I mean, I would get assassinated, probably by episode three.

[SPEAKER_03]: What country would be the highest risk of assassination?

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, that's a loaded question.

[SPEAKER_00]: I refuse to answer that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so sorry about not anything you should.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but British men are very funny and they love they love the good crack as they say a little banter, but then all of their dad's are drunks, you know, and that's a whole other bag.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that's a whole other thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: The repression there is interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: in England.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about therapy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about a straight man's relationship with therapy, which is a non-existent, but I do think there is so much opportunity and we and we if they're for the fourth straight man listening, we encourage you and thank you if you are in therapy and your dad's love you and we do do.

[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, Michelle Collins, we somehow only have a couple minutes left, so I'm going to go to do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's raining here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not leaving.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank God.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll take you here for another hour.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: So then for the next hour, we're going to talk about the photo you have a Stanley 2G, as somebody who is deeply in love with a bald man, can you explain how that meeting happened and do bald men also get you soaking wet?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a sort of crass question, but we, you know, I'm a lady at all times Eric, but I'll say this.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love seeing things usually, I love a ball.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I talk about CBS's The Good Balled Versus The Bad Balled.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is such a thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've dated both kinds of balls.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have dated very good balls and crypt keeper balls.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Gladys in weapons balls, if you know what I'm saying, [SPEAKER_00]: There is that there those bald men are also out there and they won't shave their head and I'm like, please I'm literally on my foot literally on my knees.

[SPEAKER_00]: My biggest fear.

[SPEAKER_03]: My biggest fear.

[SPEAKER_03]: My biggest fear is I'm surrounded by enough people who won't tell me to shave my head Biggest fear [SPEAKER_00]: But let me tell you something you would know when and also you have great hair and you look great the way you are.

[SPEAKER_00]: But thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you that there are just some men out there who are grasping like, I don't even know what to compare to, but they're grasping onto those last homer hairs.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, babe, you're hot.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Knock him out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I went through like a really devastating period and my like mid 20 is when a guy a barber in Brooklyn said, oh, your hair is your hair is sending.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, I said, I said to my friends after I was like, this fucking dumb guy told me I was balding cut to saddest story I've ever told.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm filming a sketch in Washington Square Park, hold for applause.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I we look at the footage after the overhead shot of me sitting fully in the [SPEAKER_03]: on the Washington Square fountain, revealed to me the certain reflection of the sun on my scalp.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can see the drone in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then over at, and I saw the drone in my head.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I could see this serial number of the drone reflected it up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I was literally, I was with my friend and the guy that shot it, and I had to walk outside of the coffee shop and be like, I am.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I am, ball ding.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so from that moment on, I went to the dermatologist, got the propique shop, and now I'm like three pills deep in monoxidal every single day.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now it's like, I've maintained what I have, and I'm fine with it, but like, I really, like, there was a moment where I talked about that in therapy, [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, my three straight brothers who are not an entertainment have the most perfect heads of hair.

[SPEAKER_03]: Grant to their all five foot four, but like I am the the only gay actor, you know, living this nightmare in dream.

[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, I'm the one losing my hair.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I have a question, starting to ask me, have you tried the sacred oil from Beyoncé's line that everyone is breathing about?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm about two Amazon carts away from that being a reality because everyone's [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that'd be the first thing I do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have the opposite problem where I literally have electrolysis scheduled for Wednesday.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm, I look like you like with them three days.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even joking, but yeah, I've heard that that stuff is a miracle.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing I don't get about it is like, how would you, would you like masking tape your skill?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like how would you figure out where the hair is going to grow?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more for like the backpacks.

[SPEAKER_00]: Part, though, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I see.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, I'm speaking of international, all the guys, like going, all the guys going to Turkey and then you hear about the plane ride back and all you're seeing are like blood from the back of their head where they took the follicle and then the like marshmallow, Michelin man, forehead, that's so swollen from the surgery.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna say that man, tie that.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a really hot guy following Instagram that was always hot and funny, but he posted a side by side of pre-hair transplant and post and I was like, [SPEAKER_03]: I know that you're not different as you are as a human being, but I respect you a lot more with this head of hair.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm proud to see that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have no judgment for people who go to Turkey.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when I was in London a couple years ago, there was a documentary that I saw, like, I TV were never called Turkey-teeth.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was, I didn't even know that Turkey's had teeth.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, well, I have to watch, because I love small animal teeth.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I literally was like, whatever this is about.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I got our half-to-run home and watched Turkey-teeth.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was about people who go get their fucking teeth done.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're vineyards and turkey.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was so bad I stopped into like two minutes and I'm like, I don't care about this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want little I don't see I don't see a tiny animal teeth on my screen I'm not I [SPEAKER_03]: I think Miley Cyrus, someone asked recently if she went back to OG animal teeth, because she for a while had a lot of mental animal cow Richards, a lot of the housewives have gone, there's living in an era of downgraded, the venerous, the venerous.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Miley was in an interview where she looked less.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think she downgraded and we support everyone's teeth journey, but you're not going to Turkey for your teeth are perfect.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, no, I am, they're getting a little crooked as you can see, but right now they're fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: When I, there's an angle of mine that I do go full Mrs.

Ed.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so like if I'm laughing and I have my head back, there's a gum to two three show.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very uncomfortable with.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will know, I, I know what I'm saying just believe me.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but I'm, I'm, I'm fine, listen, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you're harkening to a very important issue we have right now, which is that we're being photographed at too many angles.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that we were never meant to see ourselves from so many.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's partly why, like, on camera, we're can be really, really risky vulnerable, because you see yourself in ways that I don't think the human body was meant to see their own shape.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to tell me no one we were growing up assuming they said to hold a hand mirror down there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never done that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not interested.

[SPEAKER_00]: Please leave me alone.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to know from that from the...

That is not a, that is between God and that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean like the sewage view or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, from like the whole underneath, like I'm all good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know this ignorant, but it is what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I am my teacher.

[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I know we're wrapping.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to put any reason for you now, by the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I got this is going to shock you to your core that this shirt is from the anthropology sale room.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, wait, I thought I got a yesterday was very cheap.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and I was like, oh, we're my new anthropology shirt.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm like, oh, I don't like the cut the cut.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's the cut that I'm loving.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love the cut, too.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, is it's kind of like sheek, like, mmm, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I'm doing here.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of this Catholic Carlisle.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that you are an absolute, this is just the beginning of our love story.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's the first thing I'm gonna say.

[SPEAKER_03]: The second thing I'm gonna say is we have a final question on this podcast that I must need to ask.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that final question is Michelle Collins, if the world was ending, [SPEAKER_03]: you could only save one character actress who would you save you know it's funny because the one i was gonna say i think is dead can i still say her and you can and we actually hope you would [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and actually, I'll edit that because I was going, okay, I'll tell you who I was going to say, but they're kind of similar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was dead first.

[SPEAKER_00]: Dead first was Joan plow right.

[SPEAKER_00]: The actress Joan plow right, who I just recently on an airplane in public, rewatched Dennis The Menace with Walter Mathow on United and Little Mason Gamble, who he's the littleest, cutest little actor.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you've never googled him, he's one of the most gorgeous grown man, like you have, I mean, I, it's creepy when you say that because it's like, he was like six in the movie or whatever, but he's like 30 now, I think I can say it.

[SPEAKER_00]: like a true polo model, anyway, such a great kid, but she was Mrs.

Wilson in it and she was so good, but she was also in a movie called Avalon, where she played like an old Jewish grandmother.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's with Anne Quinn, Elizabeth Perkins, a little Elijah Wood.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's from the 90s, this movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you've never seen Avalon, it's a family favorite in my household and we love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And she is [SPEAKER_00]: The queen of that film, she's been a lot of stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love Joan Plowright, long dead, the living, but in a similar vein to me, because they're both little gray-haired ladies who make me laugh is Miriam Argallis.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.

[SPEAKER_03]: Such a genius answer.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just the funniest person in the life.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, really.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually kind of funny how they do have some crossover, uh, Miriam and Joan because, um, so first of all, Miriam is much like Michelle Collins, a dream on a, on a couch on an interview, uh, moment.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think though that some people that might not know Joan plow right immediately.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to shout out, um, that she was also in one might call the most important film of the early 2000s, bringing down the house with Queen Latifa.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, and she had a bear.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_03]: I saw that I was I was I saw the theaters I was a type of girl that was like like a clean Latifah vehicle.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was always I just recently watched Last holiday is at the queen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, with um L.O.

[SPEAKER_00]: Cool J, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and that's like a really, I mean, under, under celebrated, but Joan is an amazing answer.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's in 101 Dalmatians.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you said, Dennis, the menace.

[SPEAKER_03]: We just shot her out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Miriam Marglies is really...

[SPEAKER_00]: shocks me her ability to make a headline still to this day she's the best she's so funny and you want to know why because she's so unfiltered and I have a theory that the only people who are allowed to be unfiltered are elderly people and it's criminal and my and drag queens actually I'll say those two things I think drag queens can be as funny and filthy and inappropriate and not could cancel and same with the elderly like look at Judy Dench Judy [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've never been a huge dent shed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people love her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, you know, I mean, she's fine, whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: But she's like really talking a lot of stuff lately and people like, well, she's 91 all the best.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's 91.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, wait, wait.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, nothing we need to go deep into it, but wasn't she like, I think Kevin Spacey.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I think you should get out of Harvey Weinstein.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, even worse than Kevin.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're both criminals, but like, come on.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think he's crazy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she goes, I think Harvey Weinstein has done his time.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think let's give him now a nice vacation.

[SPEAKER_03]: It really, but listen, at 91, you're right.

[SPEAKER_03]: She, what are we going to say?

[SPEAKER_03]: What are we going to cancel, Judy?

[SPEAKER_03]: Are we going to cancel, Judy Dunge?

[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine?

[SPEAKER_00]: And the same with Miriam.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's funny as shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: She's elderly.

[SPEAKER_00]: She has never spoken a non-truth in her life.

[SPEAKER_00]: She is as honest as anybody you will ever see in an interview.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's so I hate to say that it's like so refreshing that we can still allow that because who else is doing that?

[SPEAKER_03]: If I, if I may, I think as we round out this interview, I think that you are somebody that I equate to the character actresses who speak their mind unfilteringly because you have a point of view that is never punching down.

[SPEAKER_03]: You are somebody who celebrates to find a thing's in life, which is whether it's travel, a real housewife, a Danish man.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that the people who can speak speak their mind on filteringly are the people like Michelle Collins and I am so grateful that you spoke your mind on this gay as podcast Michelle Collins.

[SPEAKER_03]: You have made a dream come true.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want shout out the people that made this happen and thank you for being here.

[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I'm doing, this is my plan today.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, it's good I made time in my schedule to make this happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's pouring rain.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to now unpack officially and do laundry today.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, first of all, I had the best time today.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so glad we were able to meet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Next time, obviously, I'm an L.A.

or would have you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see a high person.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a pleasure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really need a good time.

[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And thank you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Will you tell these listeners where to follow you about your show?

[SPEAKER_03]: And does anything else that you would like to play?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have a pretty much daily show of called the Michelle Colin show on Patreon.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you go to patreon.com slash miss call there is a free trial.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can pay for the year in advance it like it's I think $12 a month, but it's so many shows.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, [SPEAKER_00]: that's what it's twelve dollars to me it's like half a martini for a month of content you know that's how i like and everything like how many drinks would this be so it's a cheap glass of wine and you get hours and hours of entertainment including fabulous co-host Eric please come co-host one day would love to have you any day [SPEAKER_00]: any time and yeah patreon dot com slash michael follow me on instagram at michael and my c-h-c-o-l-l i'm on twitter still i hate to say it but still makes me laugh i'm so sorry Eric but it does i am i am too and i got literally cancelled out of party four days ago because of whatever it's you know what everything sucks right now the world sucks [SPEAKER_00]: It makes this laugh.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're horrible.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't pay the money to be on it You know, I don't either and all these are the same the same thing about Spotify the same like everyone's terrible and Like I'm gonna I'm gonna still watch the porn and that's on me Michelle I have linked I have linked the Your Instagram I have linked the patreon for the Michelle Collins show.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have I'm gonna be spreading the gospel as much as I can [SPEAKER_03]: and we'll continue to, and Michelle, have an amazing recipe for gay ass day.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you too, and thank you again, and happy holidays, happy New Year, and we'll talk soon.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for joining me on that's a gay ass podcast, and thank you to Michelle Collins for being everything and more.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now speaking of more, if you want more gay assory, the sub-stack guest this week is producer Nathaniel, responding to Sam Altizer's comments from last week [SPEAKER_03]: We do include some of Nathaniel's belly slaps, so please go to substack.com slash at Eric Will's.

[SPEAKER_03]: The link is in the description to enjoy gorgeous sexiest hell producer Nathaniel.

[SPEAKER_03]: I also am excited about my tour that is for my solo show.

[SPEAKER_03]: Why all the drama?

[SPEAKER_03]: And you can get tickets to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm already on sale for Chicago San Francisco, Joe's Pub in New York and finalizing the Seattle date soon.

[SPEAKER_03]: So thanks for your patience with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I hope you're staying sane during this holiday season and do me favor.

[SPEAKER_03]: Stay gay!

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you next week.