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As we are in a five Tuesday week We're looking at the Marker Karpis Gang, which is one of the longest lived criminal gangs.

They're in the Depression era, which they span from thirty one to thirty five, and if you know anything about that.

Era, that's a pretty long time.

Yeah.

They were founded by Fred Barker and Alvin Carpus and later joined by Fred's brother, Doc Barker, and they had up to twenty five members at one point.

Not only did they dabble, not only did they dabble in bank robbering, but they also committed a couple high profile kidnappings.

Oh, people think of the Outlaws in nineteen thirties.

They usually picture some more dramatic right out of the gate, big robberies, fast cars, guns of balazeing.

It's not how most of these stories actually start.

We know that most of them start slow, in places nobody remembers, with people who don't look dangerous yet.

Barker Carper's gang, there are no exception.

Before they were ever headlined, before the kidnappings, before the shootouts and the FBI man hunts, they were just poor kids, bad students, petty thieves, and repeat prison inmates learning how the world really worked.

Can't understand how this gang operated unless you understand where they come from.

Oh man, that starts with two separate paths at eventually collide, and all the wrong ways well on those paths.

Old Canada Elvin Francis Carpus August tenth came into this world in nineteen oh seven in Montreal, parents Lithuanian immigrants.

Poor.

They were not connected in any way to any type of organized crime.

They were working class people trying to survive in a crowded city that did not offer much room for failure.

Carpus grew up her own poverty, frustration, and crime that was right out in the open theft was not some exotic idea.

That was the way people got by Montreal and early nineteen hundreds, As I said, we're immigrant neighborhoods were dense, work was unstable, Petty crime very common.

Young boys saw theft, hustling, small scams not as moral failures but as survival skills.

I'd do what you gotta do.

This environment did not create criminals on his own, but it did remove and many of the barriers that might have stopped one.

As a kid, Elvin Well then he did not show signs of becoming some charming outlaw figure.

He was quiet, he was serious.

He was not particularly like lall either.

But he was observant, and that would matter later.

Teachers they described him as withdrawn other kids.

They didn't see him as a leader.

He didn't dominate rooms.

He watched him.

He was sitting in the corner, humming.

He absorbed details.

That personality trait would later make him far more dangerous than louder men with quicker tempers as quiet ones.

You gotta watch out for him.

By his teenage years, Carpus, he was already involved in petty crime, small thefts, breakings, things that barely register in history books, but absolutely shape of person and especially you know, poor people like Carpus.

Right, he was arrested young.

The first arrest didn't scare him at all.

I did the opposite and introduced him to prison.

No shit, Well, prison for Carpus was not just punishment.

Education.

Baby.

At a time when prisons offered little in the way of rehabilitation, inmates learned from each oda.

Uh so just how I got how it is now?

Right?

They learned techniques, They listened to stories, what worked and what failed.

Prison function as a networking hub for career criminals.

Young you mates like Carpists were exposed to men with years of experience.

Inside he met experienced criminals, bank robbers, save crackers, guys who knew how to steal cars without drawing attention.

Guys who had robbed the same bank twice and gotten away with it.

He really didn't get away with anything else, because they're in the fucking prison.

Right.

He listened, he watched, He learned, and he learned what mistakes not to make.

He learned how real criminals thought they were the real criminals.

They want to be in prison exactly right, Oh my goodness.

Well that's why they're criminals because they're in prison all right.

Carpers would later say that prison taught him discipline, He learned patience.

He learned the most dangerous criminal was not the loud one, He was the one that kept the stupid mouth shut.

He also learned that most criminals were caught not because they were unlucky, because they were careless, too much, talking, too much, drinking, trusting the wrong people, stay in one place way too long.

When he got out, he was not interested in small time work anymore.

He's a nope.

Oh.

That leads us to the other side of the story, which is the Barker story.

I don't bring him a crime either.

Begins with the family that struggled, moved constantly, and never really found stable footing.

Kate Marker.

She was born in eighteen seventy three in Missouri.

She married George and together they had several sons.

The marriage didn't last, but being poor dido after the marriage collapsed, Kate she raised her children largely on her own.

Family drifted through Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas, chased him work and stability that never came.

Wow.

The boys grew up in rented houses, temporary arrangements, and environments were long term plan and was luxury.

Kate was strict, protective and deeply loyal to her sons.

She distrusted authority figures, particularly police and social workers damn right, and passed that skepticism down.

The boys learned earlier that the system didn't work for people like them, and they didn't go to school along either.

They drifted, picked up odd jobs, learned early that authority figures didn't have much to offer them.

No, these sons, they were Herman Lloyd Arthur, known as Doc as we said, and old Fred.

Fred huh Nice Herman Barker oldest.

His life set the pattern early.

He fell into theft and robbery while still young, and repeatedly arrested.

By the nineteen twenties prohibition, running strong person was already a familiar place.

Nineteen twenty seven, Herman died behind bars, officially from illness.

Well, that death mattered as you think it would for that family.

For Kate, it reinforced a believe that the system destroyed her children.

For the remaining brothers, it hardened their resentment deep in their bond.

Herman's death was not something they moved past.

No pit shaped how tightly the family closed ranks.

Afterward, Lloyd he followed his brothers and took and also prison, but his story diverged.

While involved in robberies and depth, Lloyd eventually pulled away from the core group.

He would later cooperate with authorities.

Oh this is the decision that effectively erased him from the gang's inner circle.

Arthur Barker, known as Doc, He was intelligent, methodical, deeply committed a criminal life.

Old Fred he was the most volatile.

He had a temper, he drank, heavily, prone violence, legal hand in hand, hand in hand in hand.

Together they became the most active criminal members of the family, the Old Arthur and Fred.

By the time they were young, crime was already a part of their lives.

Like we said, they robbed, they stole, they went to prison, they got out, they did it again, the psycho repeated so often it barely registered as an interruption.

The same old stuff.

And it's not unusual for there either.

The criminal justice system was a revolving door, especially for property crimes.

Right.

What made the Barker story different the brothers.

They stayed close, They trusted each other, they are adultants.

They worked together when they could, and their mother was always.

Present, Damn right t Kate.

She didn't operate in the background.

She lived with them, she traveled with them, She handled daily life, she cooked their meals, she kept watch.

She also benefited from the money.

More in portantly, she was the.

Leader, whether she planned crimes or simply enabled them, as still debated that she wasn't ignorant.

Later the FBI would paint mob Barker as she would become known as a criminal mastermind.

That version played well in headlines a ruthless mother directing her sons.

The truth is a little more complicated.

Many historians believe she was a fiercely loyal and deeply involved mama, but not the strategistic bureau claimed they had to have escapego What is certain, she knew exactly who her sons were and stayed with them anyway as well.

Right by the late twenties thirties, Barker brothers were already part of the Midwest criminal network.

They knew other robbers, other getaway drivers, the other men who lived out of suitcases and stolen cars.

And this These are the Barker Carpus paths crossed in prison.

Damn Carpus, Fred Barker, mett Well incarcerated.

The exact prison and timing still debated today.

But the meeting itself is it debated.

We don't know what prisons these guys are locked up in, right, But then meeting itself is not.

They did not meet dear robbery.

They did not meet through family.

No shit, they met in prison.

Is this a fucking doctor, Sue's fucking He did not.

Need them there.

He did not meet them anywhere.

They did not meet them robbery, they did not meet through family.

The men inside where criminals exchanged ideas and tested each other's intelligence.

Fred Barker rougher than the Carpus, more volatile, but he was loyal.

He had experience.

Carpas quieter, sharper, more strategic.

They recognized something in each other.

When they got out, they stayed in touch, and that is where everything truly begins.

By the early thirties, a great depression was in full swing.

As well as big bands.

They were swinging, banks were closing.

Money was scares.

Oddly enough, that made bank robbery explode.

Oh I was odd.

People hated banks, some even cheered robbers and law enforcement.

They were overwhelmed h for criminals willing to move and take risks.

This was opportunity and it came a knocking.

Minnesota, as we know, we've heard about these guys even during wild West years, become one of the hottest spots for bank robberies in the entire country.

Saint Paul in particular gained a reputation among criminals.

It was known as a place where outlaws could hide fine crooked connections had avoid immediate arrest.

Good for them right, This reputation not accidental.

For years, Saint Paul operated under an informal system sometimes called the layover agreement.

Criminals passed through the city, they could have avoid harassment as long as they checked in with certain police officials and they paid bribes and promised not to commit crimes while they're there.

It was not protection forever, but all some time to rest, time to plan, time to disappear.

Gain for mobile criminals like the Barker Garbus Crew, Saint Paul invaluable.

Barker Garbus Crew began operating in this environment.

They rob banks across Minnesota, Wisconsin and neighboring states.

These were not sloppy jobs either.

They were planned.

They watched towns, they timed police response, They stole cars ahead of time.

They switched vehicles.

After the robbery, they disappeared.

These robberies followed a pattern that Carpus believed in deeply, no unnecessary violence.

He says, yeah, no lingering, no repeating the same town.

They believed the job was not the robbery itself, but the escape afterwards.

Dam They did not want to stay anywhere long.

They moved constantly.

They used cheap rentals, they used aliases, They avoided patterns as much as possible.

I will give anybody five dollars.

Have you call how many times we said they in this episode?

Right?

Well, Arthur, they call him Doc Barker as usual joined the core group, Fred and he was our already central.

Their motter remained nearby, living with them, were close enough to stay informed.

Other associates drifted in't out.

Some are useful, some are not even trusted.

That was how gangs worked.

Then.

I would say it's always lower.

Team mattered, but usefulness mattered more.

What have you done for me lately?

One as ship mattered was Vaulney Davis, also known as Curly Davis.

He was not a flashy criminal, not at all.

He was not known for violence.

What made him valuable was organization.

He had a logistics, he helped playing jobs.

He knew how to move money, he knew how to rent properties.

We didn't really need somebody that knows how to rent these properties.

I have no idea what we're doing.

And he knew how to communicate without drawing attention.

It's not that fucking hurt Darren Kenna happens.

He would become essential.

I bet.

Another figure overdeing the gang was Walter McGee, former chauffeur with connection the wealthy Saint Paul families.

McGee he wasn't part of the inner circle, but he would later play a critical role as an intermediary.

By nineteen thirty two, the gang they had money, a lot, but enough to live on the road and keep operating.

Right, but bank robbery.

They have its limits, especially in nineteen thirty two.

Right, a good robbery, it might have met a few thousand bucks, sometimes less, sometimes more.

Every job increased the risk, more witnesses, more descriptions, more pressure.

Then you got an mo and now they know which banks you hit.

They started talking about kidnapping.

Now kidnapping wasn't yet.

The go to crime.

It would briefly become here as we've seen a lot of folks that we'll get to the Lindberg kidnapping.

We'll have a remastered episode on that shocked the country in nineteen thirty two, and it showed criminals that a single victim could be worth more than dozens of robberies.

Also showed how dangerous kidnapping was.

Well, these guys were idiots, and Lindberg won.

Yeah, but the Marker Carbon's gang believe they could do it better than anybody.

Oh but did they Well, they believed they could plan it carefully.

They can control their victims, they can control communication, they can collect money, they can release the victim alive.

And then this speer.

Yeah, they were wrong about one thing, though they didn't know that yet.

Their first kidnapping target, you guessed it.

Willly Mayham Junior Ham with two ms.

He was wealthy, connected to the Ham Brewing Company.

Oh, he lived in Saint Paul.

He had routines.

Because on the fifteenth of June nineteen thirty three, Ham left his office in Saint Paul, and this is when it happened.

Four men grabbed him, forced him into a car.

No long struggle, no shouting.

It was fast.

They drove him out of Minnesota into Wisconsin.

This is where they forced him to sign ransom notes.

There was four of them.

Each one proved that he was alive and under their control.

Ham he was calm under pressure.

He followed instructions.

He did what they totally do.

That's what they're following strug right.

The gang believed this made the operation smooth.

I mean, I am right, I mean if you just follow along, but a lot smoother.

Well, they didn't keep him in Wisconsin very long.

As they moved him out to Bensonvillellinois.

It was quiet, close enough to chicag would have blend in far enough from Saint Paul to complicate the search, and offered and then nimity without isolation.

He was held there by the gang negotiated through intermediaries.

The ransom demand was about one hundred thousand in nineteen thirty three.

That was a fortune.

That's like a.

Couple million the Ham family.

Guess what they paid, I mean their they're patriarch right.

Money was delivered according to instructions.

Ham was then released alive near Wyoming, Minnesota.

Right from the outside, it looked like a perfect crime.

But it to us not three times we heard that before, right, The FBI recovered ransom related materials.

Okay, whatever that is.

Look, we shot a pencil on those materials.

Fingerprints.

Of course, they were lat in prints, the kind that could be lifted, compared, and matched.

This was the turning point.

The OAFBI was still growing into its row as a national law enforcement agency.

The Ham case became a major example of how forensic evidence could be used in kidnappings, even though much of the investigative work still relied to informants and local police out cooperation.

Names began to form around the crime.

Files were opened, a lot of Manila envelopes There baby agents began quietly compare notes.

The Barker Carpers gang did not even know how close the net was getting.

Instead of stopping, they escalated, and the escalation would bring far more attention, more pressure, consequences they could not control.

Six months later, they went bigger January seventeen because they didn't want to go home.

January seventeenth, nineteen thirty four.

Edward Bremer, He's a banker, Saint Paul, oh.

He was also a friend of President of Franklin.

Why are they doing Saint Paul people when Saint paul'sps like their hiding place, and shit, why would you do a friend of President Franklin Roosevelt.

Oh yeah, I mean I don't think they knew that though, right, he was.

Well respected, he was visible and that made him a proper tar.

Aparently they did.

It wasn't just wealthy.

He represented stability, respectability, and political connection.

The ability.

Taking him wasn't just a crime, it was a challenge.

Oh.

That morning, Bremer dropped his daughter off at school.

As he returned to his car, two men they snagged him up.

One of those men was old Doc Barker himself.

They punched him, They pistol whipped him, forced him into the back of his own car.

He was bleeding.

They put blindfolding goggles over his eyes, blind voting goggles.

Then something went wrong.

They couldn't start the car.

What Bremmer, injured and blindfolded, had to show them where the starter button was.

Oh, it's one of those.

Only then did they be able to drive off.

That's crazy.

Wow.

Later they switched cars that had fucked this button bandon Bremer's bloodstained vehicle.

When his car was found, police feared he had been killed.

He wasn't.

He was taking to Bensonville once again.

Just like old Ham.

The repetition it would later matter, yes, thought Carper said, we don't do this stuff.

Come on Carper and Carpus.

He was held in a small room, chained, threatened, told his family they would die if police were involved.

Well ransom two hundred thousands oh.

The gang communicated through Walter McGee, former chauffeur and trusted assoshiate of the Bremer family.

Notes were assosia of the Bremer family.

Well notes were left, instructions, given codes used.

McGee appeared cooperative, but McGee was terrified.

Unknown to the gang, McGee went to the police and federal authorities almost immediately.

He said, come on, man, you're wrestling with my friends now.

He believed they could resolve the situation quietly.

He believed the kidnappers would never know.

Well, guess what he was wrong?

Was wrong again.

When the gang learned that McGee had contacted the popo, panic set in.

Trust shattered, threatened to kill McGee.

They threatened to kill Bremer.

This moment marked a shifted inside the gang might have been controlled.

Nearing the Ham kidnaping.

Now felt unstable, Adolph Bremer demanded proof his son was alive.

The gang forced Edward to write a note begging to be returned to his wife and children.

Well, Adolph tried to negotiate the ransom down.

He said, I ain't paying on two hundred grand.

He pushed back.

He stalled inside the gang, though, tempers flared.

Fred Barker exploded in anger.

He believed the negotiations were dragging on too long, like, what are we doing?

They're just buying time to find us.

They believe McGee's involvement had to compromised everything.

He's just killing Bremer to send a message jam right.

Unfortunately for old Bremer, Doc and Elvin Carpas they overruled him.

Carpas himself leed killing Bremer would guarantee relentless pursuit.

Yeah, he believed the entire country would turn against them.

He also believed this was a line that we can't cross boys, it's too far.

Yeah.

Eventually, the ransom was paid money according and instructions George Ziegler.

He collected it Brammer.

He was released alive.

From the outside, it looked like the gang had done the impossible once again, but internally the damage done.

Yeah, you can't have internal strifes.

The gang fled immediately no celebrations, no lingering, no wares, did not even divide the money calmly.

Saint Paul no longer safe.

They just kept grabbing him right sending the mail ransom money paid to the order of.

Walter McGee.

He was then arrested and later convicted for his role as an intermediary.

He weren't to you, guys.

His cooperation would continue to haunt the gang long after the kidnapping ended, though, right feeding paranoia when now they know who everybody is though, right feeding paranoia and tightening the investigative net.

The FBI and local authorities now had two major kidnappings tied to the same gang.

Similarities they were impossible to ignore.

The use Oftonville, the negotiation style, the handwriting, the associates pressure increase.

The gang knew it, so they did what anybody would do.

They left the country and with the Cuba.

Oh, that decision was driven by fear more than strategy.

Clearly they believe Cuba offered distance and a way to clean the ransom money.

In the mid thirties, Cuba was not an exotic fantasy at this time.

It was a real refuge for criminals gamblers in Fugu At a real rough place, but even there unease setting.

Carpus later became deeply uncomfortable with the move.

He worried the laundering was sloppy.

He worried the money could be traced.

Most of all, you worried the FBI already knew far more than they were letting on to the public.

That is well, the gang didn't stay long o Cuba.

They returned to the US.

They chose Florida because the closes I don't feel like traveling.

Florida in the thirties was attractive to criminals for a few reasons.

It was warm, had transient populations, and that places where people could rouse is without too many questions.

Lake Weir, in particular, offered isolation without being completely cut off.

The gang ran at a house near the lake.

It was quiet, surrounded by trees, easy to watch the road, easy to disappear.

At this point, the gang was smaller at that time.

Fred Barker, he was there.

Mob Barker, of course, she was there.

Doc Barker, he moved.

Carpus was in and out.

Bonney Davis handled logistics when possible.

Oh, the associates stripped it away.

They were trying to breathe, But the weight of what they have done was finally catching on their neck.

Right.

Kidnapping was not like robbery.

When you rob a bank, anger spreads, some people even cheer you on.

When you kidnap someone, especially someone wealthy and well and known, anger sharpens.

That's it o that law enforcement they don't forget.

At this point, the gang believed they were hiding.

In reality, the FBI, they were closed in the ham kidnapping fingerprints and the Bremmer case had created a paper trail that refused to disappear.

Agents are now working the cases full time.

Informants.

They're being squeezed.

Old associates were being questioned.

Every name connected to the Markers or Carpus was being pulled, reviewed and costs referenced.

So it was a casual investigation, no more, this was priority.

At this time the Bureau was still find in its footing and expanded rapidly, gained new authority and made high profile mistakes.

Yes they did.

The most embarrassing was the raid at Little Bohemia we covered in the Dillinger and Babyfaces episode.

We all know that went bad and it's people dead targets not The press criticized the Bureau.

Internally, it was viewed as a failure that couldn't be repeated.

Ever, unfortunately they didn't get that message because that agents became more cautious, they watched longer, they verified information.

They just roll up on fucking people and start shooting them right And they cautioned then that caution would matter.

Because on the eighth of January nineteen thirty five, Doc Barker arrested in Chicago.

Major blow to the family.

Oh Doc, he was not just a participant, he was family obviously.

He was trusting no shit.

He was trusted.

He knew locations, he knew habits, safe houses and names.

He knew routines, he knew where people went when they needed to disappear with him.

Byron Bolton, minor associate.

Bolton did not hold up.

This was one of the ugliest truths about all life.

Now everyone stays loyal.

In the pressure, Bolton cooperated with the authorities in exchange for leniency.

He talked, gave names, described movements, identified places for the FBI.

This was direction, not gases direction who wrote Bolton's cooperation pointed agents toward Florida, toward Lake Weir, toward the Pacific house, but the Bureau did not rush.

They watched, They confirmed, they planned, They were cautious.

January sixteenth, eighteen, nineteen thirty five, before dawn, agents surrounded the house near the Lake Ear o'connelly.

He was in charge.

Agents positioned themselves carefully around the property.

They knew who they believed was inside.

They believed Fred and Ma they were there.

They weren't certain about carpass though.

They didn't kick the door in.

They called out and demanded surrender.

They got nothing.

They waited, called out again, nothing, waited a little bit more.

Then they said, fuck this, we're firing tear gas in the house.

Who That's when everything exploded.

Someone inside shouted back, almost taunting.

Then machine gun fire erupted from an upstairs window.

Not a brief exchange either, This was a prolonged gunfight.

Barkers inside the house were heavily armed rifles, pistols, obviously a machine gun.

They fired repeatedly from the upper floor, blasted through walls and windows.

The FBI returned fire, stayed behind cover.

They waited for movement.

They were determined not to repeat Little Bohemia at any costs.

Wow.

Hours passed well, I hope this time they surrounded the back of the house.

At least right hours passed.

Gunfire slowed and then stopped altogether.

Agents waited longer.

Then they finally moved in.

They did it cautiously.

Inside that very house, they found Fred Barker and Mo Barker dead.

Weapons everywhere, ammunition, firearms stacked scattered.

House looked less like a residence and more like a bunker.

Because the official FBI story was clear, they said old Fred and Ma died fighting.

They refused to surrender.

They chose death overcapture.

The FBI made sure the press saw the scene.

The FBI wanted the public to understand why this ended the way it did.

They emphasized the firepower.

They emphasized the refusal to surrender.

They emphasized that agents had been fired upon.

Later analysis and eyewitness accounts would raise questions.

Though some believe that Ma may have been killed early in the gunfight mah mah, some doubt that she even fired at all, but those doubts never displaced the official narrative.

What the FBI did not know yet was the Elvin Carpus.

It wasn't there.

He left days earlier.

Oh when they did realize it frustrations said in immediately they had eliminated part of the gang, but the man they believed to be the most dangerous they were still free.

For Carpas, the lake Wear shootout was a turning point.

Fred dead, Ma dead, doc, jail associates, cooperating gang finished, Now just him on his own survival.

For the FBI, the lake Wear shootout was supposed to be the end, but it wasn't.

When agents realized Old Elvin was gone, the victory felt in completely.

Fuck Fred and Ma.

They were dead, The organization was shattered.

But the man the Bureau now viewed as the brains bean the gang, he's still running a monk.

For Karpas, to lake Wear shootout marked the final break right.

He moved consistently.

He avoided old contacts, He avoided predictable places.

He understood that the FBI was no longer hunting a gang.

They were running him, yep.

And they don't have to spread out.

They got everybody focus on you now, buddy.

The Bureau was officially designated Elvin Carpas as Public Enemy number Oh no, look at that.

It meant priority and met resources and met manpower.

And then his name was circulated naturally and met agents, and multiple cities were alerted and met pressure and follow them everywhere.

She's all right.

This was not symbolic.

This was an operational.

It meant that Carpas changed how he lived.

He used aliens as consistently, He rented rooms briefly.

He moved through cities without staying long enough to be remembered.

He avoided public spaces.

He avoided crime.

This is important detail.

That's sure.

It would be.

Old Carpus.

He did not continue to rob the banks.

No, he knew that any crime would draw attention.

Well, I'm sure you got enough money by him.

Instead, he lived off for a many of money and focus entirely on not being seen, followed leads slowly.

They lost him, but they bought him again.

Yeah.

They followed informants, They tracked patterns, They built files, They compared notes across jurisdictions and ways that had not existed just a few years earlier.

I meanwhaw.

The legal fallout from the kidnappings continued.

No Valney Davis Curly.

He became a central figure in the prosecution of the Bremer kidnapping.

He was arrested, escaped, recaptured, and eventually convicted and his case dragged on, involving testimony, cooperating witnesses, and and extensive evidence.

Ol McGhee he was convicted for his role and sentenced to prison.

His decision to contact authorities during the Brember kidnap and had saved Edward Bremer's life.

That didn't spare him from punishment.

Hey, idiot, Doc.

On the other hand, he was convicted sent all the way to alcatraz Ooh that was a message.

The government sent its most dangerous and unmanageable inmates there to demonstrate that escape, communication, and influence.

They were no longer options for you, pals.

Uh Well, Doc, he said, I will not accept that message, because on the thirteenth January nineteen thirty nine, he attempted to escape Alcatraz.

He climbed fences, he reached the rocky shore guards.

You're like there, he is, and they ordered him to surrender.

He attempted to construct a makeshift raft, but shot and murdered.

That was the end of the Barker story for Doc Fred Barker.

Mob Barker dead, Doc dead, and their starry frozen in that floriahouse near Lake weir Well.

Knocks in the frozen San Francisco Bay.

But Lloyd Barker remained separated from the gang's legacy, living on his life, awaited from the mythology that surrounded his bros and his Modes and his brothers.

Other associates fade into obscurity.

They died in prison or disappeared into records that no one revisited.

Carpas remained for more than a year after Lake Weir.

He stayed ahead of the FBI.

This is until the thirty sixth of nineteen hundred, the year of our Lord.

This is until May of nineteen thirty six.

Well, then they located him in Nolens the FBI agents.

They moved carefully, They were cautious.

There was no shootout, no chaos, no gunfire.

He was arrested quietly.

Old J.

Eggar Hoover was present in his dress.

Hoover understood the importance of symbolism.

He understood that this arrests represented the end of the public enemy era.

He made sure it was photographed, publicized, mature.

The narrative was clear.

We caught him.

Carpus was convicted and sent to Alcatraz.

Oh, you'd spend decades in prison, longer than almost anyone else He became the longest servant inmate in Elcajaz history.

Prison once again became observation.

He watched, guards, watched inmates, adapted, survived years past, held decades.

He became a living artifact with the Public Enemy era.

Reporters wrote about it.

Some historians debated.

He was eventually parode in nineteen sixty nine.

Shit.

By then, the world was unrecognizable to this guy, old Elvin.

He was released parole in nineteen sixty nine and deported to Canada.

Back to Canada initially had difficulty obtaining Canadian passport credentials, having had his fingerprints removed by odd Underworld physician Joseph Morin in nineteen thirty four.

He then went back to Montreal.

He wrote his first memoir nineteen seventy one, while another one was published in nineteen eighty one, year after his death.

In his first book, Tour across Canada for Public Enemy Number one, Carpas, looking more like an accountant than a gangster, still showed a dry sense of humor in Edmonton.

While shuffling, Carpas between various interviews with media, mn S book representative Ruth Bertleson stopped at her bank, oh asked some Carpas if you wanted to come in with her.

Carpus replied, no, dear, you take care of the vault, I'll drive.

He became a mentor to her young son and to the sociopathy of Some of his advice to her child angered Bertleson, Oh oh, wasn't that man?

Wow.

He ended up moving to Spain in nineteen seventy three, and on the twenty six is August nineteen seventy nine, Elvin Carpas dead.

Originally ruled suicide, but sleeping pills were found by his body, but it was later ruled and that natural causes.

Robert at Livesey, who co wrote Carpas's nineteen seventy nine book, said that carper was not the type to kill himself.

No.

He said that Carpas was a survivor.

He ain't gonna give up.

He served thirty three years in prison, dammit, and also stated that Carpass was anticipating in the publication of the book.

He believed that Carpas had been introduced to pills and alcohol by his last girlfriend, Nancy, to give him a relaxing high, and perhaps Carpas accidentally overdosed on one occasion with fatal consequence.

Hey, it happens.

No autopsy, and Carpass was buried next day in San Miguel Cemetery in Malaga, Spain.

The Barker Carpers Gang asisted for only a few violent years, but their impact enormous.

They'll push the FBI towards national policing, towards forensic evidence, toward coordinated manhunts.

There weren't legends because they were charming.

There were legends because they were effective, most importantly deadly.

Wow.

By the time Old Fred and Ma we're dead.

We're dead in that house near Lake Weir, the Barker copperce Gang an organization was finished.

By the time Old Fred and Male We're dead in that house near Lake Weir in Florida, the Barker Carvers Gang was done.

The money scattered, safe places burned, trust network shattered.

Stories like this do not end calmly or cleanly.

The Dragon the echo echo for helping Carpers especially, The end was not a dramatic final act.

It was a long, grinding stretch of paranoia, movement in isolation, dead, imprisoned, or forgotten.

And that is the Barker Carpers game.

Happened to Helven, happened to do him when he got out.

All right, that's the Barker Carpers gang crazy.

Yeah, these guys could have got away with it if it wasn't for it wasn't for that fucking mister McGee and the metaling ways.

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