[SPEAKER_03]: So excited to speak again to Rami Kori, who is the distinguished public policy fellow at the American University in Beirut.

[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to the show, Rami Kori.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Good to be with you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's so much to talk about.

[SPEAKER_03]: Things are changing so quickly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Where are we in this so-called ceasefire?

[SPEAKER_00]: We are in the middle of the most significant test yet of this ceasefire and others before.

[SPEAKER_00]: of two elements.

[SPEAKER_00]: One is how [SPEAKER_00]: serious are the Israelis about actually adhering to the terms of the ceasefire, ending their genocide, and shifting to a political dynamic to resolve their conflict with the Palestinians.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the other one is the nature of the American attitude and policies to Israel, Palestine, and also to broader issues in the Middle East.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Trump has been unusually active and innovative [SPEAKER_00]: towards Israel Palestine issues and his pushed Netanyahu twice so far to make a ceasefire and then we think to adhere to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He says, but the Israelis keep killing Palestinians.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've killed hundreds in the last few days.

[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the two big [SPEAKER_00]: dynamics that I'm watching right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: All the other stuff that we see is real killing Palestinians, Israel killing tearing down olive trees in the West Bank and killing Palestinians in the West Bank, ignoring international law.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's stuff that's been going on for decades.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not new.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's terrible, but it's not new.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Palestinians resisting Israel is not new.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Palestinians offering political resolution with Israel is not new.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's gone on for years, but these rallies have ignored it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But these are the two elements I mentioned, are really the novel nuances.

[SPEAKER_00]: And third one, I would add, that's still in its early days.

[SPEAKER_00]: which is really about the novelty of this ceasefire in that it includes a built-in mechanism to monitor the ceasefire by both sides.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that built-in mechanism is a quadropartite committee of the US Turkey, Qatar, and Egypt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Their job is to monitor the ceasefire [SPEAKER_00]: if any side goes against it to expose them to tell them to stop ignoring the ceasefire to intervene quickly to make sure that the ceasefire holds.

[SPEAKER_00]: There has never been, and the whole [SPEAKER_00]: not just the last two years, not just the last 75 years since the creation of Israel, but going back to the whole century, since 1917, and of the Israel-Palestine conflict, you've never had an external element, whether it's one country or several countries, as it is here, that it's formally designated to monitor a political agreement between them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is significant because up to now, throughout the history of this conflict, [SPEAKER_00]: It was the Israelis and their western colonial patrons, first the British and now the Americans, who set the rules and applied any of those rules that they want and destroyed all the other existing rules of international law of human rights protections, [SPEAKER_00]: of genocide actions, all the other existing rules, the Israelis and the Americans, not only ignored them, but they're actively trying to destroy UN institutions and the international criminal court and other such institutions that are supposed to apply those.

[SPEAKER_00]: laws which are supposed to apply to everybody in the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now there is this committee and Israel is not part of that committee and neither of the Palestinians.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is potentially significant we have to keep our eye on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the big big question is is the U.S.

serious about this?

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the single most important one and we'll find out in due course.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, why would they be serious about this?

[SPEAKER_03]: In other words, what would have changed that to make the U.S.

serious about this when as critics such as yourself and pointed out, the U.S.

doesn't really care about the Palestinian people, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: They like to solve this conflict or manage it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that would make the Americans or any other external power care [SPEAKER_00]: is if not caring and allowing the current trends to continue, if that threatened their political incompetency.

[SPEAKER_00]: In other words, our public opinion [SPEAKER_00]: changes that are so evident in the United States and in Europe and all around the world, this huge wellspring of support for Palestinian rights, which means Palestinian statehood next to an existing Israeli state.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that Zionist propaganda has it that the Hamas wants to destroy Israel.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hamas and the Palestinians and everybody else has been on the record to accept to coexist with a Jewish majority as rarely state as long as the Palestinians get their rights that are promised to them in international law and new and resolutions.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea that [SPEAKER_00]: the changes in public opinion that are pretty significant and continuing and deepening all around the world to the point where some Israelis now, few Israelis have been taken to court in European countries, I think, [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe in South America for being part of war crimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a bit like Israel is a bit like South Africa was on the apartheid years.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're being ostracized, they're being blackballed, they're being punished, they're being prevented from joining cultural and sporting and other events.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this hurts, and the long run, this really hurts.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole world is putting this pressure on them.

[SPEAKER_00]: biggest blow to Western politicians that might make them change their policy, is that political elections in the West, especially in the US, could possibly send the signal that the electorate is not...

[SPEAKER_00]: willing to allow their country, the United States, be complicit in what the entire world virtually calls the genocide.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something that is across the board, including among Jews, among youth, among church groups, among labor unions, and this is really significant that we're starting to see the beginning of a national coalition of groups.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not all working together yet, [SPEAKER_00]: those aisle while their government is supporting and enabling and actively protecting the Israeli Zionist genocide and they're doing something about it and the Mendenni situation in New York is one of the biggest signals of this even though Mendenni did not use Palestine as a major issue but when it came up he took a very strong position supporting Palestinian rights, [SPEAKER_00]: secretisizing Israeli policy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And other people are starting to do this in the Congress, if you look at the U.S.

Congress now and five years and 20 years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a significant continuing and deepening trend towards more and more officials demanding that the Palestine Israel conflict be resolved peacefully.

[SPEAKER_00]: on the basis of international law and with equal rights for both sides.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough ask, but it can be done in the way that South Africa was resolved, the Northern Ireland was resolved, and other tough conflicts were resolved because both people [SPEAKER_00]: got their minimum rights, but they got the most important rights that they wanted on both sides of the conflict.

[SPEAKER_00]: That hasn't happened yet in Palestine.

[SPEAKER_00]: In Palestine, we've seen up to now, we've seen the Western powers, England, Germany, the US couple others, essentially cheering on and enabling [SPEAKER_00]: the Israeli genocide.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've been active participants, enthusiastic participants, unapologetic participants in the genocide.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not just bystanders.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're making it happen with their weapons, with their political cover, with their diplomatic cover, funding, and by essentially not coming out and saying that the Israeli people and the Palestinian people [SPEAKER_00]: should have equal rights both by the divine promise of whatever divine power you happen to follow and by the temporal promise of existing international law and treaties and conventions.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is the really the way we're at now and if there's enough [SPEAKER_00]: Criticism of the political elites and western countries, and this threatens their competency and elections, so there will be elections next week in local context.

[SPEAKER_00]: That might give us a hint in some places.

[SPEAKER_00]: That might cause them to change.

[SPEAKER_00]: Also, the second point I'll be quick on this, [SPEAKER_00]: Trump wants to dominate the world in a new American colonial enterprise that is largely based on technology and economics, not necessarily military power, he'll use military power, but Afghanistan, yet Iraq other places showed that military power will not [SPEAKER_00]: win in the end.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so the US needs a calm Middle East.

[SPEAKER_00]: Trump has said this clearly.

[SPEAKER_00]: You need a peaceful Middle East where people may not love Beloved W with each other, but they're not outright.

[SPEAKER_00]: attacking each other and making huge refugee flows and narcotics flows and destruction of countries.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he needs a peaceful Middle East for his bigger goal, which is the new form of American colonialism, which is now he's trying to implement through trade policies and other things.

[SPEAKER_03]: Trump is obviously, you know, a rank opportunist that really is his ideology is his opportunism.

[SPEAKER_03]: Biden was a died in the world's Zionist.

[SPEAKER_03]: Are there ways that Trump's opportunism actually helps the people of Palestine?

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be clear.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like he's doing this out of the kindness of his own heart.

[SPEAKER_03]: But is there an accidental lining up of some interests when it comes to Trump in a way that we didn't see with Biden?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there are some places where Trump's policies are positive for Palestinians, stopping the genocide is one, the cease fires.

[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, that's something the Palestinian is really one.

[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't want it at any cost.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something that Israelis and the world should understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Palestinians have been resisting Zionist and Israeli and Western [SPEAKER_00]: Over a hundred years the war the conflict started really in 1917 with the Belford Decorations.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're now a century and eight years and they're still resisting.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's quite extraordinary not only are the Palestinians still resisting, they don't care.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have nuclear weapons, you've whatever you have.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Vietnamese, like the Afghans, they'll keep resisting and they're willing to die in large numbers because they believe in the great American principle of give me liberty or give me death.

[SPEAKER_00]: They want liberty, they want equality, they want the rule of law, they want justice for all.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they've accepted to live with Israel many times, including how us, but the US and Israel refuse to do this.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Trump suddenly comes in and does this dramatic stuff, I mean, he's essentially an entertainer at heart and a free market profiteer at heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: Those combination of those two dynamics that shape him, [SPEAKER_00]: and have shaped modern America when you include warfare, those three dynamics shaped the United modern United States.

[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to have a peaceful Middle East and a peaceful Asia so that he and his friends and his family and American business colleagues they can all make more money and Americans profit hopefully and everybody has a better life but he can't do that if there is constant warfare.

[SPEAKER_00]: see himself as a peacemaker and tries to end this conflict.

[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't indicated yet, though, that the peacemaking he envisages between the Palestinians and Israelis.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has not indicated that it is based on the principle of equal simultaneous and mutual rights for these Israelis and the Palestinians.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's so far been talking about [SPEAKER_00]: priority for Israel and Zionist aims.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the Palestinians are a secondary group that get some of the crumbs, but that they are not treated as equal partners yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's still, you know, the one time he used the phrase Palestinian state in his 20-point suggestion list, [SPEAKER_00]: He used it in the most sort of, you know, backhanded, hidden and camouflaged way, he couldn't come straight out and say the Palestinians must have a state and Israel's state must be secure and that's how you get peace.

[SPEAKER_00]: He said that the Palestinians have an aspiration for statehood and that we might find some steps going in that direction.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a proof of the [SPEAKER_00]: inability of a colonial western power the U.S.

in this case, the British before, their inability to see the Palestinians in the way they see that the Israelis, or the Jewish people, resignists, or whatever group you want to talk about, they don't see them as equals, and this is what colonialism is all about, you know, the Trump and the American political elite for the most part, not everybody, but for the most part, [SPEAKER_00]: See the Palestinians as, you know, invisible people, like Ralph Allison's invisible black people in Harlem, and they're not full human beings.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have the rights.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he may move to that position if his current attempt at dramatic gestures and surprises and threats.

[SPEAKER_00]: If those don't work, [SPEAKER_00]: And he understands finally that the Palestinians are not going to roll over and play dead after 170 years of resistance suddenly because he ordered them to.

[SPEAKER_00]: He might possibly adopt a more decisive and even handed position that the whole world would rally to.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not the elites necessarily were, but definitely the people.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then once they did the elites, you think they would follow suit, the other governments.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well I think many governments have already taken the step which is symbolic but still significant to some extent of recognizing a Palestinian state.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course there is no Palestinian state.

[SPEAKER_00]: They recognize a Palestinian state but they still give Israel the tools and needs to tear down all of the trees in the West Bank which are one of the core of the economy in life and to take overhouses and occupy East Jerusalem.

[SPEAKER_00]: So recognizing a state while you allow Israel to destroy [SPEAKER_00]: basis that allows that state to ever happen is not a serious gesture by serious people.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hoax.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fake TV show.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is, but it's not sincere and it's not going to be effective.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is again, these are human nature issues.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is nothing to do with Israelis or Palestinians, or blacks, or whites, or Jews, or Christians, or Muslims.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is human nature.

[SPEAKER_00]: anywhere anytime, and Trump hasn't learned that lesson yet, but he certainly has the capacity to be dramatic, to be innovative.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's now talking to Hamas, which is a very good step by co-edited book with Helen Acoban, who [SPEAKER_00]: Once ago, it just came out and it's called understanding Hamas and why that matters, I urge everybody to buy it or see it at your library, understanding Hamas and why that matters.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very deep look by experts who know Hamas, Arabs and Westerners.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why Hamas is where it is?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why do the vast majority of Palestinians support the political aims of Hamas?

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't support its methods necessarily.

[SPEAKER_00]: But Hamas is strong because it is the only political movement that has consistently since his birth in the late 1980s has consistently supported the goal of Palestinian liberation, statehood, sovereignty, and self-determination.

[SPEAKER_00]: In territories that would [SPEAKER_00]: allow Israel to exist in its state structures from 1967 with adjusted borders that both sides agree on.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why Hamas is powerful, it's not because of its missiles, it's not because of its brave young explosives experts.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's popular because it reflects the political reality.

[SPEAKER_00]: of the very big majority of Palestinians and Arabs and now more and more people around the world.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Hamas is trying to make a [SPEAKER_00]: a political gesture to the Israelis and others to make them understand that it is open to a political dialogue for a peaceful resolution, but the Israelis and Americans have never responded.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's say one thing that I'm being naive about Trump and his administration, when it comes to Palestine and Palestinian lives, I wanted to play for you a video of the [SPEAKER_03]: A campaign that killed over 100 people, apparently supposedly response to Hamas killing and Israeli soldier.

[SPEAKER_02]: The President achieved a historic piece in the Middle East.

[SPEAKER_02]: The ceasefire is a whole thing that does it mean that there aren't going to be little sclerishes here and there.

[SPEAKER_02]: We know that Hamas or somebody else within Gaza attack an idea of soldier, we expect he is really a very respond.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the President's piece is going to hold despite it.

[SPEAKER_03]: What's your response to this video?

[SPEAKER_03]: And Israel and the U.S.

is continued disregard for Palestinian life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So Vice President Vance's comments are pretty typical.

[SPEAKER_00]: of the American official position that permeates virtually all the American administrations of the last 40-50 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't see the Palestinians as full humans.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't see the Palestinians as a nation that has its rights for self-determination and sovereignty.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't recognize [SPEAKER_00]: they don't see the Israeli occupation of lands in Palestine and Syria and perhaps other places to come as a problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: They see this all within the context of Israel having the right to defend itself and they make up excuses and you know what best cause little skirmishes here and there is 100 people killed in one day, 150 and another.

[SPEAKER_00]: schools blown up water systems blown up I mean these really is you know they talk about God promised them this land they're trying they think they're God they think they can shape the land they can decide who lives there they can they can destroy the bad people who they see as Palestinians and they can destroy the basis of life in the [SPEAKER_00]: In Palestine, not only the schools and the water systems and the electric power plants, they can destroy the functional utility of the earth to make it impossible to farm for any Palestinians in the future, which is what they have been doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is Megalomanial [SPEAKER_00]: zombie, Zionism, militarism, runaway death all over the region, killing anybody, most children and women and civilians mostly.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is how the U.S.

sees the Israelis as doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: acts that are okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: For the U.S.

is this as okay, whereas the whole rest of the world sees it as war crimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Vance cannot be taken seriously on this question.

[SPEAKER_00]: He may be good on other things, but this idea of, so he's reflecting the new colonial reinvention of colonial [SPEAKER_00]: Spirit, and the United States, the United States doesn't want to colonize Palestine like the British did or they colonized India or other places, but they colonize the people of Palestine by rendering them unequal, invisible.

[SPEAKER_00]: and without rights.

[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore you can do anything you want, whether you can throw them out, you can turn their country into a revere for European and American and other investors.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to be really clear about the actions of the US rather than just its words.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's words should not be taken seriously at all.

[SPEAKER_00]: But its actions are very telling and the actions are troubling.

[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to ask you about a recent poll that comes from October from the Palestine Center for Policy and Survey Research based in Ramallah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It shows that 70% of Palestinians, including almost 80% in the West Bank and 55% in Gaza, staunchly opposed the disarmament of Hamas, even as a condition to prevent the war return.

[SPEAKER_03]: What are your thoughts on this?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is natural response to the reality that these people have experienced in the last hundred years under the British and now under the American authorities, that if the Zionists and the Israelis have [SPEAKER_00]: military dominance, they will use it to drive the Palestinians out, to subjugate them, to force them to surrender, to kill them, to mass injury, their injured their children.

[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, they see the possession of a few weapons, even if they're just rifles and pistols, as a symbolic [SPEAKER_00]: Last stand that they can defend themselves because they know they're going to be attacked because they are being attacked daily, especially in the West Bank, even if you ignore the genocide and gas in the West Bank, mobs of Zionist Jewish settlers.

[SPEAKER_00]: supported by sometimes assisted by the Israeli army are attacking Palestinian villages burning homes, killing people, imprisoning thousands of people.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea that you have to make Hamas surrender first for any piece to happen while Israel maintains all of his weapons and uses its weaponry to continue to kill and dominate and subjugate and expel and torture [SPEAKER_00]: This is cruelty and contradiction to existing laws taken to an extreme extent.

[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what colonialism is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, we shouldn't be surprised.

[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody is, this never happens anywhere else in the complex.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's only in Israel and Palestine.

[SPEAKER_00]: that the aggressors, which is the Israelis in our view, and in much most of the world's views, that the aggressors asked the aggressors against the weaker party to be totally docile and defenseless.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not gonna happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: We've learned from experience.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Oslo process was a big learning experience.

[SPEAKER_00]: Other agreements that Palestinians reach with the Israelis have taught them that they can't rely on the word of Israel, and they can't rely on the word of [SPEAKER_00]: U.S.

or British or other Western powers who support Israel, that's why what's significant now is this ceasefire monitoring committee is [SPEAKER_00]: three countries, Egypt, Qatar, and Turkey, and the US.

[SPEAKER_00]: So people no longer trust the US by itself to do good things.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't think it's sincere.

[SPEAKER_00]: They don't think it's really politically able or willing to take the tough measures to end Zionist occupation and subjugation and war crimes.

[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore they're pushing [SPEAKER_00]: for a political resolution that the Palestinians don't want to keep fighting forever because they're the weakest party.

[SPEAKER_00]: They'll know they'll be beaten up very badly as this happened already.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is what people do when they're fighting for their lives.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's a lot of talk about the deraticalization of Palestinians, which is pretty laughable when you consider [SPEAKER_03]: how violent and radical and radicalized the Israeli society is.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, whether it's from the genocide in Gaza, whether it's from slaughtering people in Gaza, whether it's violently attacking people in the West Bank, you have settlers who are obviously, we saw recently a video of a young settler [SPEAKER_03]: literally take a club to an older woman, an elderly Palestinian woman who was gathering olives.

[SPEAKER_03]: He took a club and he beat her.

[SPEAKER_03]: This was captured on video by journalist Jasper Nathaniel, but this stuff happens all the time and we don't see it.

[SPEAKER_03]: We don't find out about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some settlers also gouged out the eyes of sheep.

[SPEAKER_03]: So this talk, again, of Palestinian radicalization, you know, really is every accusation is a confession.

[SPEAKER_03]: When is this really society going to be deraticalized?

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it really speaks to the colonial nature of the deraticalization, talking point, which is a point that Moen Rabani made.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: And also, it also heightens her awareness, should heightens her awareness of the fact that much of the Israeli and Zionist narrative over the last hundred years has been inaccurate, exaggerated, diversionary, distorting or outright lies.

[SPEAKER_00]: The things they say about Palestinians or their other foes in the region, it might be Iran, it might be somebody else.

[SPEAKER_00]: The things that Israel says [SPEAKER_00]: often not every time, but often not true.

[SPEAKER_00]: They lie, how are their teeth?

[SPEAKER_00]: And the West mostly believes them.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is changing now.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is when you look at public opinion and the West, especially among young people, they don't buy these lies anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why you've got a couple of American politicians who have said they're going to give their money back to the Provisory Lobby APAC.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's historic things happening, but in small doses here and there.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this is how history happens.

[SPEAKER_00]: It starts with small doses.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the anti-Vietnam War movement started with people like the Berrigan Brothers [SPEAKER_00]: eight, ten years later the US pulled out of Vietnam.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're seeing the beginning of significant structural changes in Western support for Israel and Zionism and demands for more even-handed policies.

[SPEAKER_00]: The Israelis can only reply with more lies and bitter lies and they keep making accusations like they did last week that Palestinians attacked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Israeli soldiers and that's why Israel had to go and kill 100 of Palestinians.

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're in a dynamic moment of change and we have to muster all the political [SPEAKER_00]: power available to us, to everybody who believes in justice and equality and security for all equal rights for all, we have to muster all our powers to push people into a political resolution.

[SPEAKER_00]: As happened again in South Africa and Northern Ireland, those are the two best cases that I can give.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the South Africa model is really [SPEAKER_00]: important because Israel is now becoming a pariah state like South Africa slowly and and steadily it may be one of the reasons why Trump moved very quickly to force Israel to accept the ceasefire, to reduce the pressure.

[SPEAKER_00]: on the Israelis and this did have some effect for instance the international, I think the Olympic Committee, now the FIFA, the International Soccer Federation, had was in a vote on banning Israel from playing in international soccer matches and then they postponed it after the ceasefire.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the pressure of righteous people has to keep staying used to bring about a fair resolution to all.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much, Rami Curry.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is always a learning experience talking to you.

[SPEAKER_03]: We really appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me.

[SPEAKER_00]: Keep up the good work.

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