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I remember like it was yesterday, six forty five in the morning, July thirteenth, twenty twenty three, a gym, when the text started coming in so many I couldn't keep count riisensheine, buddy, it's happening.

Heyy do you hear the new Suffolk County is about to arrest Lisk?

Holy shit.

Not sure if it's legit, but hearing they got him, I started frantically texting, trying not to get my hopes up.

His words spread among reporters, true crime authors and filmmakers like me.

You see Eleven years ago, my producing partner Rachel and I made a documentary series called The Killing Season, and I followed our hunt for Lisk aka the Long Island serial Killer.

Investigators on Long Island I say they found the remains of ten people fought to be the victims of a serial killer.

The body count is climbing as investigators grapple with a very elusive monster.

The Gilgo Beach serial killer case.

This is a case where there are still so many questions.

When Rachel and I started filming in twenty fourteen, the case was only four years old, but for some reason, the police wouldn't even talk about it.

So we started our own investigation and spent two long years searching for Lisk.

And no, we didn't find him, but I know we.

Got close, closer than anybody had been before.

Since then, I've been on twenty twenty Nancy Grayce dateline, you name it.

Josh Semen is the director of The Killing Season.

We have an expert joining us.

Joshua Seeman has an interesting take and insight in this case.

You have no idea how many suspects we'd looked at, from eccentric doctors to wealthy businessmen over the years, dozens of names had been batted about, and still we investigated them all because you just never know who may open up that door.

And let's be honest, what filmmaker doesn't want their own JINX moment?

But there was also something deeper, an overwhelming frustration with a police department that had fumbled in the dark for years, leaving victims in their families in limbo.

And so for the next hour I sat there as information trickled in until I finally got a text that said, turn on the news.

Turn on the news now.

Hw York's number one news channel, Semini Witness News Talk Today.

After an arrest and the infamous Gilgo Beach murders, fifty nine year old Rex Heureman from Long Island is now charged in the murders of three women.

Rex Hereman at the time, it wasn't a name i'd recognized, It wasn't anybody we'd looked at before.

But since then I've come to realize we were far closer to catching list than we first thought, and those same clues that led police to cracking the case right there all along, buried in our footage.

Is there anything that you can remember about him?

He was just this beast of a man like six foot nine, three hundred pounds, white black, Hispanic white dude, fifty years old monster.

There was only like a couple weeks right before she disappeared that that guy was there.

On this podcast, we're going to reveal those clues as we sift through hundreds of hours of old footage from our show, interviews, phone calls, doorstep confrontations.

Yes you're looking for you.

But we're also digging back in to confront an even harder question.

Could List have been caught sooner?

And finally?

What so many of us have been waiting for for over two decades the upcoming trial of Rex Hureman, the alleged Long Island serial killer.

And while we might think we know who List is, there's still so many questions that this trial might answer.

The theory of our case is this defendant meticulously and methodically hunted down and murdered seven women.

Could this man have been caught as far back as twenty ten?

God forbid, we find more victims that could still be alive if they had made the arrest back then.

Which brings us back to those first few moments just after rex Huerman's arrest when someone sent me this interview that they'd found filmed with Rex in his office.

Rex Hureman, an architect.

I'm a troubleshooter, born and raised on.

Long Island, working in Manhattan nineteen.

At the time, I didn't quite believe that this was actually him.

We'd spent years tracking down dozens of leads identifying persons of interest, but Rex Huerman wasn't one of.

Them, at least his name wasn't.

But when the news said that he was a commuter, now that caught my attention.

Leading a kind of double where prosecutors say he was a professional commuted into Manhattan for his job, but that he was also a serial killer.

Evidence from early in the investigation suggested that Lisk had commuted from Long Island to Manhattan.

But when the news went on to say where he lived in Long Island, now that was huge.

He was hiding in plain sight.

Hureman lives in the community of Massapequa Park with his wife and two children.

All the clues had pointed to that exact same town, Massapequa Park.

And then there was that video.

Somebody had sent that strange interview with Rex in his office.

There's this job taught you about yourself.

I think it's taught me more about how to understand people.

Rex was huge, six', four close to three hundred, pounds with this smile that just didn't feel quite, real like it was a.

Mask and that's WHEN i started, debating BECAUSE i couldn't believe WHAT i was.

Thinking maybe it was, true maybe the police had finally Caught.

Lisk yet AS i stared at the latest photo Of rex going around this awkward selfie he'd taken standing in front of a bathroom, MIRROR i felt SOMETHING i didn't, expect anger BECAUSE i didn't see some evil genius or criminal.

MASTERMIND i only saw a man who was, oafish, overweight and aging.

Badly and this was the guy THAT i had spent years obsessing.

About this was the man that had snuffed out the lies of ten, victims the same man making headlines around the world as one of the most elusive serial killers in modern.

History and if this was that, man THEN i couldn't help but ask why why didn't anyone catch him?

Sooner why did it take so many?

Years why did this man was made of nothing more than flesh and blood get away to something so?

Monstrous for so Goddamn Long.

I'm Josh demon and this is monster hunting The Long island Serial.

Killer, now if you think you know the list case because you've watched the latest doc series or listen to a few, Podcasts i'm going to tell you what detectives have always told me that in any series of, murders you always go back to the first because that's where you find the, clues and that same logic applies.

Here you always go back to the.

First that was our, show the killing.

Season when she first, DISAPPEARED i called all the precincts to find out if she had been.

Arrested finally someone called.

Me they, Said, kim they just pulled up four bodies off Gilg, beach and right THEN i knew one of those girls Was.

AMBER i, mean my sister never talked about serial, killers but we should have because it's one of the most common type of.

Words it's just not brought the light because the.

Prostitutes it's just the way it.

Is the hunt for The Long island Serial killer and the story of his, victims starts back in the winter of twenty, ten exactly fifteen years, ago on a remote stretch of highway In Long island in an area known As Gilgo.

Beach wrong.

Breaking, news an off duty cop walking his dogs tumbles on a woman's dead.

Body this tail started, waiting AND i showed the skeletal remains of the.

Body On december, eleventh twenty, ten while searching for a missing woman Named Shannon, gilbert a kadabradog finds the body of a different woman Named Melissa.

Bartholomew But melissa was only the.

First bomb shell, Tonight within forty eight, hours three more sets a female remains.

Discovered who is a serial.

Killer On march twenty, nine twenty, eleven the police would uncover another.

Body this body count Along Ocean parkway continues to, climb then again On april, fourth.

Three more sets of human remains were discovered Mere Gilgo.

Beach april, eleventh the first set of remains found in a plastic, bag and then a second set of remains human Skull mancy three Prob.

What police uncovered On Ocean PARK i went far beyond anyone's worst.

Nightmare the remains of ten innocent victims sex workers seemingly dump like trash on a desolate.

Highway but it wasn't just the number of bodies that shocked.

Investigators it was that some were found intact and others.

Dismembered the only thing that was clear was that a serial killer was hunting On Long island and a frenzy of fear had gripped the.

Public you, know we're not used to any of.

This people are, scared all right right.

Now it could be.

Anybody before the sex bastard is, Caught they're going to find more bodies out here in these, ones.

Like so many.

OTHERS i was fascinated by the.

Case but after a few YEARS i started to notice something.

Strange no more updates to the, community no new, leads no progress on identifying so many nameless, victims which didn't make.

Sense this wasn't happening in some small.

Town was, huge and it was one of the most well funded police departments in the, country and all of this unfolding in the shadow Of New York.

CITY i, mean you've got women wrapped in burlap on the side of a desolate.

Highway you've got a community pointing fingers at one, another and you've got a police force with no, suspects and you've got grieving families wondering why nobody ever helped.

Them in twenty, thirteen we interviewed investigative Reporter Robert kolker would just come out with a new book Called Lost, girls that not only profiled The Gilgo beach, murders but it shed light on at least one of the issues plaguing this.

Case these women's lives really needed to be written about in a way that would bring attention to them because we tend to write off the victims and glorify the.

Killer everybody thought these women they were just.

Castaways they were outcasts that nobody cared about.

Them the fact of the matter, is these families knew that these people were.

Missing they asked the police to go look for.

Them the police decided not to look for them because we stigmatize escort.

Work With robert's interview in, hand we'd started calling the.

Families we wanted to give these victims a, voice but we also wanted to dig deeper to explore a growing web of theories that might explain why justice had been so.

Elusive theories that began with the mysterious disappearance Of Shannon.

Gilbert Sofa county police are focusing on twenty four year Old Shannon gilbert Of Jersey.

City gilbert's family, says on that, Night shannon met with a man she met On craigslist at the beach In Long.

Island to understand the list, case you first need to understand the mysterious death Of Shannon.

Gilbert, Now i've investigated crimes for, decades And i've never seen a case Like.

Shannon's no one.

Has but whatever happened To shannon became so polarizing that it literally hijacked the.

Narrative it Fueled internet, trolls smear, campaigns and conspiracy.

Threats, tragically you might even say the fight Over shannon is just one more reason the police didn't Catch less, sooner because her disappearance defies.

Logic it defies everything we think we know about, crime and it flies in the face of one of the first rules of detective work that there's no such thing as.

Coincidence it care have here on my, See i'm an.

Outpeach what's going on THAT i have the power of missing parsons are.

Board, actually.

During the early morning hours Of may, one twenty, Ten Shannon, gilbert aged twenty, four Of Jersey, city and her, driver a man by the name Of Michael, pack meet the hour and a half trip.

To Oak, Beach Long.

Island Oak beach is a dimly lit gated beachfront, community and it's known for its wealthy residents who values seclusion and.

Privacy Shannon gilbert is a plenty of yours right, WELL i had judge matter that, Night leanna took yet.

A little after two, Am shannon met with her, Client Joseph, brewer a forty six year old financial advisor who lived.

Alone shannon's, Driver Michael, pack waited in his.

Suv according to a deposition From, pack he saw the two leave to go buy party drugs before.

Returning, then at around four to forty five, Am brewer surprisingly knocked On pack's, suv asking for help in Getting shannon to.

Leave, inside they found the young woman crouched behind a, sofa dialing nine to one, one acting quote.

Irrationally Shannon gilbert made a nine to one one call that lasted more than twenty.

Minutes she reports like claimed someone was trying to kill.

Her.

Now whatever happened inside that house Sent shannon into a panic as she bolted out the front.

Door running through the, beach she banged on the doors of at least two neighbors screaming for.

Help as both residents dialed nine one, One, shannon dazed and, incoherent refused to answer their.

Questions As Michael pack drove up in his, Suv shannon took off again.

Brand quarter to five in the.

Morning somebody was screaming and banging on the.

Door she, says help, me help, me they're there after.

Me WHEN i told nine one, one she got very.

Upset took right, off and then a call was coming down the road looking for.

SOMEBODY i think she was either drunk on.

Drugs she just stared at me LIKE i wasn't.

There for the next thirty, Minutes Michael pack tried to Convince shannon to get into the suv so he could take her.

Home after speaking with one of the, neighbors he lost sight of.

Her, Eventually pat gave, up assuming she had run out the front gate and hitched a.

Ride with a passing.

Motorist by the Time Suffa COUNTY pd arrived at five forty, Am shannon had.

Vanished gilbert was reportedly last seen screaming and running into the brush near here after meeting a client who found her On.

Craigslist the responding officer took down reports of the screaming girl and the man in the, suv but that's as far as it.

Went he spent only thirty minutes at the scene before driving.

Off to make matters, Worse shannon mistakenly told operators that she was At Jones, beach Not Oak, beach so they transferred the call to the State police and Not Suffolk.

County despite a twenty three minute call nine one, one operators had no idea about the commotion At Oak.

Beach.

One my sister didn't come back.

HOME i Called Suffa county to try to file a missing per, report but they said because of where she lives THAT i would have to file it Through New.

Jersey and they, said, well, no because she wasn't missing.

Here you, know she was missing In Long.

Island you have to go.

There in twenty, fifteen as part of The killing, season we sat down With shannon's, Sister Sharie gilbert And shannon's Mother.

Mary we tried to go To Long.

Island they, said, no you have to do it where she was.

LIVING i mean we were ping pong.

Back and forth with the confusion Over shannon's missing persons.

Report, Mary shannon's, boyfriend and Even Michael pack went back To Oak beach to conduct their own, search but found.

Nothing it's also worth noting That Michael pack And shannon's, Client Joseph, brewer had also tried to file a missing person's.

Report detectives would eventually Clear brewer And pack of any, wrongdoing but no one could Find, shannon prompting many to assume That Suffy County Police department and the tight knit community Of Oak beach wanted nothing to do with the sex worker who had gone missing in their.

Myths did you tell them she was a sex?

Worker?

Yes and do you think that that changed their?

PERCEPTION i don't think it changed their.

PERCEPTION i think they've always had that.

Perception we were told by the police do not talk to the.

Media Why why did they tell you don't speak to the.

Media because of their blatant incompetency or our daughter was screaming and crying for twenty three minutes for.

Help the police are doing.

Nothing they're doing.

Nothing despite a nine to one one call that suggested something far more.

Nefarious Steffa county would theorize That, shannon with the history of bipolar disorder and drug use that, night had some sort of paranoid mental health, episode leaving her to run From brewer's.

House into the.

Marsh they assumed she was heading towards the bright lights Of Ocean parkway before.

Coming to the.

Elements according to police, officials searching the marsh was nearly.

Impossible it was flooded with waste high, water and the thick reeds were more than twelve feet.

High but soon as weeks turned two, months the police stopped giving updates, altogether and then the vacuum left by their, silence wild speculation grew as to what happened To.

Shannon it's been almost exactly a year now Since Shannon gilbert.

Vanished the day after her, disappear Into gilbert's mother says she received a strange phone call from a doctor who lives, nearby Saying shannon had been in his house the day she.

Disappeared An Oak beach physician named Doctor Peter, hackett who had a reputation for inserting himself into local, drama Telephone mary offering his.

Help mary claimed that during one of these, Calls Peter hackett said he Gave shannon a sedative during her panicked run through a.

Beach he also said he ran a home for wayward.

Girls, later under, Deposition hackett denied Giving shannon any drugs and that he was just trying to comfort an upset.

Mother do you believe That Peter hackett gave your daughter some kind of?

DRUG i do believe That Peter hackett Gave shannon.

Something Whether hackett Gave shannon a sedative or, not it was a strange thing to, say so strange in, fact that suddenly everyone was pointing the finger at.

Him one theory Had hackett as the lone, killer Following shannon into the marsh and murdering.

Her another theory suggested That hackett had Killed shannon because he was covering up for something even more.

Terrifying Here's Robert.

KOLKER i interviewed the people In Oak beach who believe the doctor is hiding.

Something some of the things that they say, are you, know have to do with grand conspiracies of neighbors who have been doing supposedly horrible things for.

Years they come short of saying that it's a satanic, cult but it's close to.

That it's like a weird.

Games where they prey on young women and it makes you think of eyes wide.

Shut now for those of you who don't.

Know Eyes Wide, shut a film directed By Stanley, kubrick follows A manhattan doctor who stumbles into a mysterious masquerade ball where a cult like sex rituals, occur culminating in the murder of a sex worker and its cover.

Up those were not just ordinary people.

There IF i told you their, NAMES i don't think you'd sleep so.

Well you called it a fake?

Charade do you mind telling me what kind of fucking charade ends with somebody turning up?

Dead she was a, chunky she.

Odeed now let's stick with reality.

Here could Doctor hackett have given Shen inn a?

Sedative, Absolutely but he also had a prosthetic, leg which would have made it nearly impossible for him to run down and Murder.

Shannon as for the alleged weird, games rumors of men who were waiting For shannon In brewer's basement who then hunted her through the.

Marsh as outlandish as it, sounds people still bought into.

It there's no other way to describe this except.

Explosive these high ranking government officials have ties choke beach with sex.

Parties what does the public need to put two and two?

Together?

Here what do they think happen to these?

Girls and that's.

Because of whispers that Circled Oak beach for, years claims that politicians and police had partied out In Oak beach parties that included, drugs sex, workers and of course.

Power and if you know anything about cops and, politicians well that's not really a, stretch is.

It but there's a darker, reason one that's far more difficult to wrap your head.

Around it's because of what those same officials were about to.

Uncover seven months into the search for shann And, gilbert reading less than a half mile away in the, beach called, kilgo.

Good, afternoon.

Everybody my name Is, Swelsa John.

Malthia this is my part in the canine.

Glue you work in the shoulder or.

Road this tail started, Waving he started indicating to a spot off the.

Parkway at that POINT i saw the skeletal remains of a.

Body the second day we found the second, body and we found the third, body and then ultimately the fourth, body all within about five hundred feet of each.

Other it was almost an unbelievable.

COINCIDENCE a cadaver dog on his way back from a training mission to Find shannon finds, instead over nine miles, away the remains of a different sex, worker and then, another and then, another and then.

Another, Eventually Suffolk county would uncover ten victims in all, discovery so shocking residents didn't know what to.

Think you have a serial killer's jumping bodies along the.

Stretch we certainly we're looking at that that we could have a serial.

Killer after determining That shannon wasn't among those ten, victims detectives were now faced with two overwhelming.

Mysteries what happened To?

Shannon where was her?

Body and what terrifying tragedy led to these other ten victims whose bodies they did?

Have and now there were even more families demanding.

Answers do you think it's part of The gilgo?

KILLINGS i believe it's all.

Connected after finishing their grim task On Ocean, parkway detectives doubled down on their theory That shannon was somewhere back in That Oak beach.

Marsh but they had to wait until late fall until they could drain nearly a square mile of water log.

Terrain only then could they bring in a, giant amphibious excavator and a helicopter to perform a grid.

Search it's an area that is dense with.

Brush it's been very hot for the, investment gets the cells and even the cadava dogs to get into.

It after an exhaustive, search they Found shannon's, genes then her, purse then her cell, phone and then, finally about a quarter mile, away her.

Remains after a massive, search we have located a set of skeletal remains we believe at this time to belong To Shannon.

Gilbert there were no physical signs of abuse or, trauma adding credence to the original police theory That shannon suffered a mental, episode ran into the marsh and succumb to the.

Elements Yet mary believed, differently and now backed by her, Attorney John, ray she sued The Suffo County Police department for access to the nine to one one tape as part of a wrongful death suit against Doctor Peter.

Hackett have you ever heard the nine one one?

Call it was read to me by the.

CORONER i never heard.

It why did they never play it for?

You they refused.

Him they tell you why they.

Refused they, refused saying it is still a piece of.

Evidence they.

Said she wasn't.

Murdered it was an, accident so evidence that what it made no.

Sense it didn't make.

Sense but why were they holding back because approved their incompetence opening the door for a multimillion dollar?

Lawsuit was it something?

MORE i believe they're not being honest about.

Her nom'mun.

Call it's not a lot to go through to hide the police in competence when a lot of the, police governor's, businessmen they're They're, john's you, Know shannon said to me, once she, Said, mom you don't know who my clients.

Are she, SAYS i have, COPS i have, DOCTORS i have lawyers and, judges she, says moments.

Everywhere while Making The Killing, season we were contacted by a former detective who will Call, hawkshaw who worked for The Manhattan District Attorney's.

Office Has hawkshaw, Explained Suffo county has had a long history of, corruption documented claims of coercive, interrogations retaliations against, whistleblowers and of, course sexual.

Misconduct he told us that In Suffolk, county the top cops the bosses were like, kings kings who felt they were untouchable and bedded with, politicians business, leaders and as we were about to find out everyone.

Else why do you think that tape was?

Unreleased, well there's something on it that they don't want somebody to.

Hear this is a very big political, area then a lot of important.

People she may have utters names that then they don't want you to hear.

It as much As hawkshaw's theories sounded a bit, conspiratorial we also hadn't forgotten about those rumors In Oak, beach the parties with police and, politicians where there were drugs and most importantly sex.

Workers they consistently recruit girls from these strip joints AND i have wild parties down.

Here who is?

There?

Police?

Politicians so your allegation is, that in due course of protecting certain, people we are not really getting to the heart of the serial killer.

Cases that's my, opinion.

Just based on my experience and my.

Background, so Had shannon mentioned names on that nine to one one, call names that were being deliberately omitted to protect, people people who could provide information that could potentially solve the murders of ten other sets.

Workers, yet how could that be If shannon wasn't connected.

To those other.

Murderers and if she, wasn't then why not release the.

Tapes as much as it all didn't make, sense it also did because if you start to hear enough rumors about cops and parties and sex, workers then those rumors start to become something, else a, thread a thread that you keep pulling on over and over until eventually everything starts to slowly.

Unravel the theories put forth By Mary gilbert And, hawkshaw claims of a cover up related to escorts and high profile john's would remain nothing more than that theories until we could find some shred about, evidence or some sliver of, corroboration something that would add credibility to this alleged.

Conspiracy though in the end the evidence found.

Us just a month after our show, aired we were contacted by a woman who will Call, leanne a sex worker From Long, island claiming to have intimate details about those rumored wild parties In Oak.

Beach and so we met lean in a car outside our.

Office, okay let's do, this fine Nut.

Rollian.

All?

Right can you put your hand in?

Here all?

Right so when you were called to go to these parties At Oak, beach did you know That shannon had disappeared From Oak beach at that?

TIME i knew that something had, happened BUT i was, young TWENTY i was in.

Pain attention the police officers who are at these, parties are they still in law enforcement?

Now they're very much still in these soliciting.

Escorts you hung out with them at parties in twenty.

Eleven, yes drugs were, There drugs were, there prastitudes were.

There burke was.

There do you have any relations With burke at this?

Parties burke AND i had had?

Sex?

Yes and was he violent at?

All burke was a very aggressive, person very, narcissistic.

Godlike not only Was leanne claiming that she had attended these infamous, parties but while there she had sex with a police.

Official Named James.

Burke, Now burke was one of those top cops we've mentioned before who Treated Suffolk county like it was their own.

Fiefdom but what's important is that six months after this alleged, Party James burke would replace the Former, Commissioner Richard dormer to become The Suffolk County chief Of.

Police we're dealing with one of the most corrupt departments in the, country and they just keep showing it left and right and left and.

Right i've Seen Suffolk county at parties after and it's completely shady.

Behavior they did it right after the whole thing Unfolded april twenty, eleven and they need to cover that.

Up i'm not surprised at police officers party with, escorts with escorts and with.

Drugs, sure the fact that they did it In Oak, beach which was so right around the, corner just right after these.

Women we don't, matter, right we don't.

Matter the idea Of Seffa county police officials having sex with escorts In Oak beach While shannon was still, missing just a few houses away from where she, disappeared and right after that same police department had just uncovered ten bodies less than nine miles, away was beyond.

Arrogant and while there was no way to Corroborate land's claims at the, time her story rang.

True and that's Because burke wasn't.

Just a bad.

Guy he was a really bad, guy a police chief who'd just been arrested for crimes that would forever change The Gilgo beach.

Murderers Former Suffolk County chief Of Police James burke was put in handcuffs this.

Morning Jimmy burke is the sociopath without.

Question the disgrace police official may have connections to ten women who are believes have been murdered by the serial killer On Long.

Island see if he's still denying the.

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