He'd have got you with hipocrisy.

He whooping on you with hypocrisy.

And then I started to see other people try to take that approach, and I worried for them in particular like Kanye.

Yeah, see the bus down chained to h.

Took that Nazi chain and made a bust.

But doing it, it's sort of like a magnet where people get so mad and they start exposing themselves because the Jews they move, they move in the tunnels, they move where you can't see them.

They an invisible hand, and they'll get like, well, they'll do it.

They'll threaten people.

Uh, they'll threaten people all we're gonna take your tours away, We're gonna drop your artists.

I know, the snapped their fingers one day and he wasn't a millionaire.

They were crazy.

Them Jewish people come the record people come, they're say Denouncier publicly, or we're gonna drop your artists to they on some mob shit.

The rhetoric running your game.

Yeah, he literally running your games.

Shid on chart.

How did you feel when he said that?

Is that a co signed or yes?

Well I'm saying uh, I'm saying we're both playing on opposite's end of the field.

Again off of a statement, off of me wearing a motherfucking chain, off of me wearing their pain.

But they playing, turning up, promoting and making money.

Off of our pain.

But if I wear a piece of their pain, then they're gonna threaten to destroy everything moving everyone around it, destroy people's lives.

But again, he's he's he's flying so close to the sun.

If he had all if you had all those deals, all that influence, would you do the same thing that he's doing.

Jenner Road used to be riding hill with stay doubt.

Jenny Road wasn't gonna be who he was.

They thought he was gonna be the fan white boy they keep kicking in as he stopped playing, he stopped playing.

Mistakes and power for other people mine even you haven't been named it.

Listen, what they named is album Gambling on the White I quit you.

I'm gonna fix that, Umar daa stay and I thank y'all together, gonna be could be a could be a good thing, right, just a good conversation.

And I know, I'm proudly I can fix it.

You know what I'm saying.

That's my guy.

I know I can fix it.

You know what I'm saying.

I know I can fix it.

I just gotta I gotta guarantee him that you ain't gonna.

When I look at doctor Umar Johnson, he talked good with work?

Is he working with kids.

At I don't believe I need to be on a podcast with someone who has disrespected hour deceased.

I got evidence of week.

Work is other than just talking.

The missions are not the same.

The work is clearly.

Not the same.

Two scholars, two thinkers in there, and let's get two it.

That's why again I'm gonna fix you.

And Umar, that's the fee who will take me to barbershot?

What happened with that?

I beat that ship the police was in only that's how I got charged.

Like, don't get me, but nobody in our city have ever called that snitch.

But it's but you said as well known, it's documented.

Say that they wouldn't have let Whack one hundred in them move around as much as they was black one don't move around.

Whack one ain't seen in l A.

But they had no jumper jumping.

No, you're going to jail.

You go up there, Whack one hund we got a missle will send through that that's a couple to go to jail.

Man, they don't want that feed.

I would have had to ship whack up if I were man.

They don't.

Man, they know the those that know know, Yeah, they know.

The Feds in now, Yeah, now we know they.

Look, he said, the Fed came and got me and asked me about it.

Everybody never went there to win to they the fast in now they ain't watching.

They in that in there.

They're in there operating with a microphone.

Good you figure out who it is.

But fed and are talking on the phone on the mic.

This y'all clapping for whoa whoa whoa.

Mer Homer is not an entity.

They don't infiltrate.

They don't send nobody.

Look like you infiltrated.

You went out there and was able to get it.

Walking in cowboy boots playing on Melvin from the Internet Speaking Game.

That's how I met Melvin Farmer from the Internet Speaking game.

At the time, he was doing speaking engagement with John Gotti Jr.

Uh Or what's the tone from the the Latin the Latin King got a New York tone?

Uh So Melvin former John Gotti Jr.

Or Latin King tong?

I think they were putting bird foot pokey on her.

Uh and one other person, uh Fred Hampton Jr.

So they were doing the speaking to a for for the for for uh Man, what's this ship called man that the Conflict Resolutions ship them their homie.

So uh they wanted to pull me in because I got all the tracks with the youth and the youth shit nationally this nationally.

So they pulled me in on a national level because I'm in d C.

So that's how me and mellnt So when when I had a little issue with the police, when they take me to the to the crazy half uh and put that tag on me.

Uh Man, my mom and everybody at home.

I know that for for me to be what I was at the time, it is radical.

Uh As I wore for my voice towards white people.

Uh Man, leave a little bit because interaction with the police, Homie on alert.

You know what I'm saying every time because they put this on me.

They look at you a certain way.

Yeah, yeah, I'm a threat to them.

And I got a lot and I post all these in my rhetoric.

Homie.

So at the time was white folk?

Did you got a following on top of that?

Dangers might impress a button and it started activating around this.

Yeah so so home and so so.

But because I had worked with government officials Homie uh ted crew John corn and Rubio uh.

Man a Senator Harold Darton, and I'm going.

But because I had worked with with with these people, they said, man, something happened to charge he something went crazy.

Because because I'm because of.

The plus, I'm with the old I'm with the old ops.

The old pop name got a history with white folks.

They got a real organization called Texas and it's a group of similitary men.

Uh.

And they don't fight number of police.

One of them them killed a captain in them a wardening.

So they don't even think.

So when you hear me say certain names old an he Roy Brown, home of those names skirt white people.

And those men mentored me so uh.

That's who you got a lot of your game from too.

He followed me on on Facebook.

Yeah so so so so so when so when they took me in, Homie, they uh they want to dissect the frame.

Uh.

They study out, study out social media posts.

Uh.

Uh So they kept for like some day, what was this in l A, Texas.

That's who made me move to l A.

Got there, I got out of Texas.

Yeah yeah, so so I met my homeboy pot had just killed a high ranking police officer.

So it was a lot of tension between me, me and my local police department.

So you see me keep going to jail, keep getting the charges.

That's my local police department getting their lick back.

I infiltrated our police department home.

Uh I met, I met with her, I met with her uh men called the nickname I met, I met with I met with our city council member.

So I'm I'm in the community, working.

With kids with a with a sincere heart and the desire to work with youth who were once like me, trouble kid, juvenile, tricked by the court or brought into the bullshit, come from a good home, raised right, but just doing wrong.

Based on trying to help save you know that, I believe it's my God given purpose.

Step out.

You can't step in the studio in college on my phone.

Oh yeah, So so I'm really sincerely trying to help in the community.

And I got the game from Jewish people who's saying, you want to be a self sustained organization Charleston.

You don't want grant money, you don't want funders.

You want to be self sustained.

You got that from the Jewish, from the Jews.

You want to be self sustained.

You don't be a beggar.

The nonprofit is good, but you want your people.

Who the people you seem to help, your constituents, your community.

Why would anybody give you anything?

And that's why Black people can't get nothing, because their constituents don't give to them.

So when they gave me that game, I came back to the community.

The old niggas say, you got to have something to sell.

So that's why you see me selling barbecue.

I'm selling T shirts.

So I'm really trying to be self sustainable.

Uh So, I met with Gena Bivins, who was our city council of District five.

She said, Charleston, all the help that you need is with the police department, and that's in every black community.

All the funding that you your little leave football is, your after school programs, your nonprofits, your boys and girls club, r your your your mentoring program, all of that funding come from the police department.

Y'all down, Why have got the pal league and.

There you go because it don't come from the police department.

It comes by the way of public safety funding.

Well, why is our funding coming from public safety?

High crime areas?

Games, Yes, so we have to have the funding.

So so we're.

Gonna give your police department seven hundred million dollars for one year.

Now there's seven hundred million.

Four hundred million is THEIRS.

Three hundred million is the communities.

But if you don't with the police, you don't get to go get your money.

Samet they money.

This is your money for your kids swimming.

It's coming through public safety.

Public safety that goes for parks and recreation.

That's why you can't use the park, nigga.

That's so that's parks and recreation.

That's your swimming pool.

So if you need all that, that's over there.

Yeah, we got something that's allocated for infrastructure.

But what y'all need is over there gang intervention.

Gang prevention, so it's not just to lock up those are your intervention.

We got plenty of money to prevent this.

But if y'all don't it up man with the police, then guess who get the money.

Your preachers, Because your preachers with the police.

That's why every time it's a police shooting.

Something happen.

They go get the PREMI go get reverend, Reverend getting the money.

You know, why could they told reverend how to get the five oh one C three So Reverend don't just want Gud's money no more.

He won't tax exemption from your money and you give him, so they do.

I told Reverend how to get the five oh one C three.

Now Reverend got the five oh one C three.

Reverend's supposed to have an after school program.

He's supposed to have a daycreub, but he using the money another way.

So they give him the funded because you won't with the police.

So when I got that game, I said, well I ain't a criminal, let me go with the police.

That's a mean thing from my community, though, right, just being black, I think you broke that though you kind of you kind of broke the mold with an interaction with the police, even for the benefit.

Wouldn't even like you're saying, she wouldn't even go over there to feed the children.

Men get with men.

Men a promoter home and a promoter can have stop the violence concerts and get free money from the county.

Pay this pay that you're talking about fifty sixty thousand dollars that they'll give you to put a stop the violet event on.

Go get whoever you like as a round.

But if you don't put these people, then they gonna go buy a new tank.

They gonna go by the drones you can't see in the sky and push it all around the city spine.

Now you go, they go, they find go buy some toy.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.

And you don't know they got the money neither.

Shit.

We for the find a way to fund it somewhere else.

Yeah yeah yeah, get so she But if you ain't got that game, homie.

So I'm saying, we all can't be anti police when we know we need the police.

Hell yeah, you see out and put it out.

I ain't keep smoking when I got that game.

It wasn't that I was forced to.

I'm saying, Okay, when you realize how to five oh one C three and the non profit work or just for most of the money is you ain't got to stand on the corner with the kids with the little league football team and got the cheerleading girls out there with their skirts on, she looking like little holes.

You got the little boys nappy headed with.

The past half off and on or you ain't got to do that, homing when you understand you can go over her and take their money and create some type of booster fund for the kids.

That Chick Filady at mac donald that all them taco bells, all them places full of fast food places.

You got in your community.

You're supposed to go over there and partner with them.

Hey, these sales the night, we're gonna bring all these people over here.

They're supposed to get money back.

But you don't fuck with these people, so you don't know.

So you steaded trying to shame black people have giving you.

So when when when when Gena Bivens said that, homie, I went and develop, you know, relationship with the police department, and and by doing that over the years, Uh, when I see that there's a police officer that's doing something, uh, and people call me and say something, I got some power to call down there and had an officer move to another side of town.

When they got all the rookies over here at.

Nighttime, say look out, a deputy dean man.

While y'all got all the rookies over here, you know it, come with the rookie mistakes.

We need some veteran laws on this side of town.

They don't put all the rookies over here.

Many of them they got.

You know what I'm saying, we are so you're building that kind of relationship as a community leader, Homy.

It wasn't when I started trying to go radical that they started saying, Man, hey, we don't know about Charles, but I'm repeating the rhetoric of the old.

You see what I'm saying.

Uh, And I'm starting to be more for us now, I'm talking uh footboo talk for us, by us, with us, of us or against us.

Now I'm starting to grow madreds Now.

I ain't clean cutting no more so now the white people really put it back there.

Yeah, because I'm really just starting to go like my people roll, I was being the said I was gonna be a sellout.

They were grooming me to be a real and I was.

I was jumping in the trail to be groomed or got of disdain And I ain't gonna uh toward the culture.

Not that I've been a victim of the culture.

Uh.

I was victimized spot of culture because I was tricked and it was propagated to me as a kid.

Yeah, yeah, I think we've all went through that.

Man Like, even with me, I ain't got around certain people and been like I just know he a hustle because he been taught can hustle?

Ship?

Can you give me fifty?

Yeah?

People any way, you can't make nothing happen.

Them talking, and so I'm saying in the game, ain't even in the game.

That's what I be saying now, even the nun street people pushing the no snitch and ship.

Everybody talking like they street hustler.

So they tried.

Here I am.

I got my own room in the third grade with a phone line in it, I got breakfast on the stove, and almost everything.

Come from a well to do background.

But I want to play poor.

That shit crazy.

I want to act like I'm from the hood or then, you know how how inferior and insecure I used to feel.

We find out from the suburbs.

I might hit you across your head with something, just to hide the fel get out from the suburbs about to fight.

I might hit you up there because that was a that was an inferiority complex.

That's crazy being for a good part of the time.

What the house is better, the schooling better to be from O.

That was a thing that we took and said, ain't nowhere in the world.

I'm letting no know that where you think the whole movie atl with now hot she from this.

That's how I called you, mynie.

Everybody that got it out the mud, everybody from.

Man with some silver spoon babies like especially them eighties baby with them them blue collar middle class working parents, the meals.

And steels and general more men, the blue collar men.

Blue collar was.

The backbone of a miracle.

And that's what most of our mama and daddy in the wood.

Yeah, for sure, even if they got off on drugs, they maintained them blue collar job.

They ain't losing jobs.

They smoking dope and everything, ain't that job?

Yeah, so uncle like man, So I'm saying now, we all didn't come.

So it wasn't until I got damn ime of my thirties where I can finally say I wasn't raised.

I ain't now Yeah, yeah, I want to call the police on the knick.

Yeah, you know how hard it was to say that.

I know, but then you just accepted it.

I don't know what, man, change the culture, man.

Man, set me up to get robbed for twenty two pounds a week or seeing my name put zen Nix in.

You know, I start watching my go from shipping syrup or to putting xen x in, Jolly.

Wrenchers in the bottle, shaking it up, trying to go down the dog.

I tell them, like all my homies, like, that's why, you know, you can't trust them with this level of ship you be around when they on them drugs and ship.

You just can't trust it, bro like because it it costs too much.

So you're not home.

And so you know, I was known as a as a as a as a smooth player, a little you know that you know, always been the ladies man in the streets home ande.

So uh so if the streets up that that that happened between me, me and big Boy because he was a smooth but then his reputation start going downhill.

But that be a real character at some point, homie.

You yeah, yeah, that that that that was a character.

So ultimately that that that end up costing him.

So uh when I suck when I sent the police the away, uh yeah yeah I.

Sent him yeah yeah yeah, yeah.

They end up you know, shooting shooting through the door and shooting the police officer.

So yeah, they love me.

They beat that, yeah, because the police came with the Yeah, but damn you think they'll try to steal.

Correct where they got some conviction end up going to they did some time behind it or they just they just beat the tempted capital word on the police because they had been the Big Boy had been robbing, you know after that homie, So it was the most if they asked.

Uh So they had been sending text message and threats.

So that's what kind of saved them.

Some more has sent some threats.

So they don't know if it's the police because the police didn't say nothing.

But the police lied and said they said they said something.

But to beat that case.

Think they even doing like nine or ten years.

Uh, ship big boy got out, got back home and so now when he get out, Uh, I hurry out.

And I'm on this.

Because I'm big on social media now I was starting to become big.

I'm big on Facebook.

Yeah, my ni did it like man, listen, woo woo woo woo woo.

We talked about it.

Uh, small misunderstanding up a lot of a lot of them street friendships.

Mind, you up in your mind?

You know me, you know, so, don't be thinking.

Man, there you go, but reflect who they are and other people.

That's a line.

People think everybody lies, thieves, think everybody stealing.

I hate that when he text you when they go to panicking, because answer quick enough for something.

Damn you don't what?

Damn?

What in it are you on some moness?

That's what's in your head?

You see my fun with me?

That's why you think you got to watch for that year.

I listened for it.

Yeah, I listened for what's in a man's heart go come out of mouth, especially if he like the talk.

Yeah, it's the quiety.

Don't say much.

You got to kind of punder one, but not homos.

So that was that was my life changing experience in my early thirties.

My daughter was just born, so that had never been betrayed by a friend before.

I had never been betrayed by a friend.

We don't each other, girls, but when you're young, that's not betrayal.

Oh but ye're now.

I had never been betrayed, So that was my life.

Listen, when you hear me say I don't, I don't so and so so by that time, uh, when I went and got in college.

A few years later, all of my real childhood friends start coming home from prison from ship they did when they were kids.

Because your friends, you really made friends in prison and boys I was waiting on.

We may most of them went to school with we.

We didn't main it was like two or three.

We maintained friendships.

But you're not the same.

You can't maintain the same level of friendship.

Uh, from the sixth and seventh grade and you come back at twenty two, twenty three, because now these got egos from selling dope, and you know what I'm saying.

Uh, they might have been winning in school.

Now they big dogs, can't nobody telling nothing, so they're super tough, or you know what I'm saying.

Or they might have been super tough now they're on dope.

So the dynamics had changed, you know what I'm saying.

So I was kind of like.

In the Wielder is just alone.

If you was free, do you think you would have joined there?

I would have been kissed.

It was in your spirit.

So so imagine imagine my internet persona as a gang number.

It's the same.

It would have been the same.

Yeah, I would have been just as disrespectful or yeah, because that's my that's my temperament or anything I embraced.

That's me playing basketball.

You can't hold me.

So that's playing dominoes.

You you that persona comes out, So now that's the persona I had in the boys Home.

So that's how I got the name Nook.

That same in and their persona was in that little.

With the one.

Yeah.

But and I'm acting, so I'm going overboard, but it's convincing.

It's convincing, you know what I'm saying.

See, because you got this thing like you you you got this pattern where you said, yo, I infiltrated the police.

I went out there and infiltrated the roll in the sixties.

So you got a certain level of game where you can make it look like what whatever, you really would make it.

So so so so.

So when I joined the gang in ninety two, uh, gang Bang had already been big in America from the mid eighties by way of the crack epidemic.

So if you watch that movie what's that movie ever about?

Crack?

With that in calif on Netflix, Snowfall.

So if you watch Snowfall, you saw Jerome them to crack.

Yes, other things.

Stayed in California jeron them to crack crack, and the gang bang came together.

It was because it was coming out of La There you go so so so so that's why you had the documentary Banging in Little Rock.

That's why them was so detric That's why they ganged.

That's why they.

Their first years of gang banging was so horrific and horrendous because they got to California in the country, then took the game and took it to extreme.

You saw in the movie he said, Man, the country wild another they giving you certain history and this shit.

Oh so by the time it get the Texas in Louisiana, Uh, I'm I'm what, maybe eleven twelve.

By the time I'm fourteen, uh uh, it's here, but I'm from the suburbs.

I don't see it.

It ain't in my school, it ain't in on television.

And when I go to Miamiam House in the guttles, in the slum, I see them bandana.

So it's only a pilling because I've seen it on colors.

It's just like the ship we see on Love and Hip hop.

You know it's there you go.

So that flag became that was like it was a pilling, like the cyber truck.

So uh, the the first iPhones, that bandana, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

So uh when I so, I'm one of the very few kids in my school that was going to Juvenile, but I'm going to Jewlie for mischievous, delinquent ships, stealing, cause vandalizing.

So I'm getting to get a peak of it the couple of days.

I'm staying in Julie, come home, go to school, mimic a stance and walk.

You know what I'm saying.

Uh.

When I got to Juvenile, Uh, and I got.

I got to see it full up close and personal, ship niggas everything I was looking for.

It's like said, Mama, I won't play football, the camaraderie all got, the Blue Dick is Home with the raw everything, because it was already a pillion by way of television with the young impressionable mind.

So at this time, Larry Hoover's literature growth in development is being started to be spread throughout the prison system of juvenile system.

So it's starting to come down South and everything.

But the cryption Bloods.

Don't have no literature, but they're trying to adopt literature.

By way of acronyms crypt community Revolution in Progress, CUZ, rest in peace, Community Revolution Internationale.

So they starting to put acronym that's the brainwashing with the bullshit for the young, to make it feel like it's honorable.

So now they coming with.

Acronyms of blood brothers leading others out of darkness.

So they come with some acronym but they getting all this mixed up with Larry Hoover was teaching the CRYPT.

So now they it's even more pilloy because now we have literature.

So now just checking each other on literature.

That's g D and b D ship now the cripping blood and you know your literature.

Well, when you were playing Domino, I was writing who was in games in California?

And the definitely used to let anybody write in prison.

Yeah, some writing and giving me the history and the knowledge.

Then Monster Cody dropped that book.

That book what Monster Cody.

So when I went and got the first history by all the names and the time frames, when I went in to be that made me the leader amongst each because.

More than you anybody with the information.

So I was with the knowledge and the literature.

I wouldn't learn all the handshake.

You know what I'm saying, because they top dog round, they put it in books, they put you know what I'm saying.

He showed up learning.

Yeah, we just learning ship.

But then we make it up as we go along.

Yeah.

So uh, that's what superseded me, passed to be a look because I had the knowledge.

Uh, and that's when I understood knowledge, real power knowledge for sure.

What do you think about?

What's the white boy named ten ninety J?

I hate I hate him.

Uh, I can't say this.

Uh, there should be a call of action.

To do something.

Now he cannot he be with some ship.

Now, well, why why he don't go?

Why he don't say nothing about the Mexican cartel They tell Yeah, the the plug tail on the he said the dope to.

Now there's plenty of paperwork on who's been told on by the Mesican plug.

Why he won't get that paperwork?

He know them cartel and mischan.

There's some consequences repercussion.

It ain't no consequences in repercussion with the pigeon.

The pigeon don't have anybody can with the pigeons, right, the pigeon can fly.

And we don't seen video where the pigeon on the ground and the rat grab how the so so?

Oh it ain't no so he with the pigeon.

Oh but you mean to tell me, Oh, I done said something that warned.

Some people said get you.

You ain't never hear one city'll get him.

It's made videos to men.

I'm gonna get that swore, by god, it ain't.

It's supposed to be some saying that about him.

Homie he get he getting a waist Scott free and he interrupted some ship.

And out on that he's not getting real court documented papers.

He's gonna go get news paper clippings, you know how.

That's what I didn't like about paper clippers all.

I didn't like it.

I didn't like it.

Then at eighty years old to say old, you're gonna say only you're gonna kick ither like damn.

And then the man who he said snitch, don't come out and said, man, that man didn't snitch on me, and you're gonna come out and discredited, Homon, you gonna do our elders coming.

You mean to tell you, ain't nobody gonna get him.

I don't like it, bro, I don't like it.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, uh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Somebody get him something something something young supposed to be willing to take this for the team, and we'll love you to death.

And I can't say it like that, but we'll love you.

Yeah yo, Mama and everybody be will taken care of you.

Ain't got to kill him, Damn man.

Ship Elder though been locked up fifty years, were gonna put this snitch label on it.

They've done fifty and eighty X.

Come on, homie, damn, come on man, we're gonna do that home on homee And I'm a bona firet Street.

I done been told on.

I ain't got no smoke on my jacket.

I'm looking at that like, come on, old man, like damn.

Bro cut the and then you and then like you say when you look over man, it ain't doing it.

It put him, but he ain't doing it to nobody.

But uh now I can see if he played fault with everybody.

Yeah see, I'm I.

Don't win again.

I don't It ain't nobody.

I ain't saying nothing bad about Yeah, I'm fab with his mouth.

He just got us and he paid for he just got us, homie, and and they don't put him now.

They wrapping him, bout him, and so on to the happening then't happening.

That's what made me think the stupid they slow and down like the stupid man.

Why is they like giving ten ninety jake any kind of props?

Man?

When listen, if they're stealing packages in this neighborhood, I'm.

Looking out for the thief.

I ain't thinking my house is too good for the package to come up missing.

He can turn that on anybody, whether it's true or not, at any moment and discredit or he don't.

Care if it's true or not, and then he don't retract, don't recked or none.

So so nah homan, no no no, no, no, no no no.

I hate him.

Uh, but you know, or they let the white boy in.

See I come from eral white boy get mistreated when we let him in.

We don't play for with him.

Yeah, we break into his high and feel sorry when we come over, but we the ones done it.

Yeah.

Uh.

When he come over and he played our Nintendo, all of a sudden, we got contra and we ain't never had country before, but it's his country and we let him play it.

But he don't get to take it back home.

Yeah, he used to let us take his country home, and when he asked for it back, we break into his.

High See how we did our white boy?

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

We make our white boy grow up and say, yeah, see how y'all done.

Jedi Row, Yeah, y'all kick.

Y'all, miss treat Jedi Rod.

Jediro used to be yall.

Jener Row used to be round here with y'all.

They went to kicking Jedi.

They thought Jenni Rod wasn't gonna be who he was.

They thought he was gonna be the fan white boy.

They can keep kicking in the ass.

Hey, guess what I tell him.

Niggas around here, Listen, Loom got his own money, done it with his own money.

But but but they mistreated him and kicked him in his ass.

So he started eating.

I can't I can't blame it.

It's just like the white boy when he goes when he come to juvenile, we half have mistreat him in juvenile until he proves he tough.

We gonna make him prove he got it.

We go, we got here.

He gotta be a tough the white boy.

Once he do that, it's another level he gotta go through.

He get the prison.

They think he ain't tough enough.

They want to him because he's white, because he want to hang.

With the The white boy mad at him because he want to hang with the Knicks, the force, this white boy, clean cut white boy.

They force him to go get swastikas put on him the way they go treating.

Yeah for the doll sat and done to make him go there and put swastikas on their faith because the way they go mistreated.

So you so you you kind of understand jelly rolls.

I understand, my man, because they listen.

Dope boys had jelly roll around here like the humming from what this music out?

And I heard he with the I heard him.

He would have won us.

He come up with what I am?

But what what niggas don't say here?

Man, They old men in the beginning, before he got bigger, they didn't think he was gonna do what the That's what I heard.

And I ain't from the town.

I love the town, But the word did I get out of my ear?

They didn't think he will be what he was because he was be fatty.

He tried to play, Yeah, he tried to play, but he started like.

You, he damned and broke them change.

He don't even he over here.

He ain't got the he stopped playing.

He wanted to be Come.

On, man, I'm talking about he was man, I'm talking about them.

It wasn't even just him.

See that's the thing.

He got the game from some of the white boys around here.

It was a whole bunch of white boys around make him feel like they can't play.

Come on, man, they play, Yeah, they can play.

They grew up.

He definitely, he definitely wasn't around.

He battle wrapped in sarchin clothes and ship cop man.

How he don't get to be but y'all to get passes to the nine times out of ten when we get when the white boy play us up on this clothes, he ain't no white boy.

We wouldn't.

He wouldn't even got their clothes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on now man.

Yeah.

And the brown here mad at Jedieral.

They feel as though he used them.

He used he did.

But when you think about it, if like you're saying, if diggas done, if them a certain way, he don't owe no lord to that mistreatment.

No, you know what I'm saying.

Why you think you oh, you don't think he probably feel used or you don't think he feel he don't feel used.

That's why he don't turned his back.

Ah, if some people feel used, and then are some people feel misused?

Yeah, some people feel misused.

Yeah.

The person that feel used got something out of it, that's why they feel used.

The miss huge person feel like they ain't got nothing out of it.

That's good game, that's good game.

So she and I, I feel misused by my city.

I put in a lot to get nothing out of it.

And then, like you say, bro, like even they put him on or not put him on that I think had something to do with it, but would always be on the cover like Diddy, I want to be on the cover.

I want to be you know.

Yeah, so he so he listen what they named his album, Gambling on the Whitey.

I quit you, I quit you to they Dave the Boy album Gambling on the White Boy had no game back there.

They were just trying ship.

You know what I'm saying.

They was, man, I quit you.

As for this, but nah, and men hopefully, uh hopefully one day you know, his heart and heat, he can come back and men that because ultimately that's that's what it's about.

At some point, God want everybody to be a Joseph.

Joseph was sold in the slavery body.

His brothers Uh went through accused of rape or was raised to the highest level and then started running shit.

And then his brothers needed help.

One time went back to go ask the king for help.

They with Joseph.

They didn't know what Joseph, but Joseph recognized his brothers.

His test was, are you go forgive them?

He told men, go.

Back and get your father.

Daddy thought Joseph was dead.

They lied and he ate up by animal or something.

Daddy come back and find out minutes is Joseph.

He forgive his brother.

So that's that's supposed to be a part over time.

And because I want because I see him, I'm like, he don't he not?

I see it like I ain't me neither though you can't.

I ain't.

You can't.

You can't.

Man.

If you man, you can't.

Much as you want to, man, you better not frame them.

That's why didn't have a separation.

Gotta take place by force or by choice.

But you gonna be great, and the path of you, it's a separation that has to take place from you and what you love.

Do you think.

Do you think Ford War dropped the ball by not embracing you.

Yeah, homy day they were mad at me, uh with the Go Yeo situation or when when when they took Go Yo to the schools?

So they let Go Yoo go to all the forward independent school districts, middle schools and high school and he was performing his hit song at the time, my Fty Go Boom.

And at this time, outside.

Of Chief Keithnil, it wasn't really no real young putting guns in the video had on arsenal guns in there, and they was all in the house in the dark apartment.

So uh, I started raising hell because I'm saying, how can this kid come up there?

And the average black father if they do a background tick and they got a feeling you, they can't come up to the school.

But this kid who rapping his violence, he can come to a PEP rally to promote the Stars test.

And only thirty six percent of our children can read on above their grade level and the tire me and what the fuck?

And they still felt the Stars Test.

So we did niggat.

So when I raised hell, they made the news.

It made China news.

Uh, the city was mad at me because they felt like I was hating on the young Niggs.

And at the time, all the all the little hood ma almost had their all the little boys her would die like him.

Uh.

So he went back and made a song called China eight News.

Uh, you know, and it was a badass song.

Uh.

Ultimately he went in.

He went on to fail, just got out of prison.

For the second or.

Third he hit me up, man try to get on the show.

I talked to him maybe about a couple of weeks.

And he seemed too angry.

A lot of young men died behind him.

Uh.

We just saw the rap of a little running and his baby get killed.

Uh you know, roomored to have something to do with him.

So yeah, there's been a lot of deaf in destruction.

Uh.

And now the city said, man, you were right, but too late.

Uh.

They literally went against me for that.

Uh not only that.

Once I started embracing the Republican Party platform and promoting.

It, the city went against me.

So uh yeah, they dropped the ball.

Yeah, because had they embraced you, things look different, they sound different, you know, as far as like how you speak about into them.

Yeah, because I can tell like that there's a level of Man, you didn't even believe in this shit.

Now listen, they watched me, homie.

You're talking about a city who who I was walking?

I think I had to catch three buses to get to the classy lady to go over and help.

They catched three busses, my knicks, and I ain't just catching the bus.

I'm catching them on on the main line when the walk righte by.

Man.

Yeah, the shame to come with it.

Sometime when I got to the second bus, I ain't got enough money to get the third bus that had dropped me off right in front, so I gotta walk.

Uh, so you're in a humbo.

So it was a lot of you know, it was a lot of Uh, it was a lot of self you know home and Yeah, there was a lot of self reflecting and talking to you know home and so.

Uh and I'm struggling, homie.

So it wasn't until I showed my Mexican potner how to sue his job.

While you know, I had finally hustled up on a little money to put a damn pavement on a little old hooptie.

Uh, you're talking about two years without a car riding the bus.

Me and me and my babies and my kids, putting the kids bikes on front of the bus, riding riding the train for fort worth of dollars, riding the bus, riding the bikes downtown, just so the kids saying, ooh, Daddy, look, because that's all we can do.

Then maybe get a soda off, some ice cream and go back home and cook a hamburger, help a meal so that you know I ain't had it so and then you know, take them to the swimming pool.

So I'm trying to do free ship as a day, going to the library, doing ship like that.

So uh, I'm going to the community to help me.

So uh so.

Do you have the same story.

Do you feel as though what you just the advice you just off of the jelly roll will be your story?

Wrestling?

Uh yeah yeah, but right now my heart is hardened, So I wrestle with that.

That's that's me and God secret me guard and older because all of them trying to be you.

Yeah, yeah, you done change this town.

Everybody in town trying to be charged in white, trying to act they think they can.

Uh.

They really love you, they just don't know how.

Uh But now nigga, they saw me burying kids.

I ain't never been a que of messing with no kids, trying to sleep with a young girl trying to they mamas.

I ain't never been a que with the nonprofit trying to get the money.

Uh So there's no smug one.

So I'm saying, uh so when the snitch tag came, you didn't see people from our city sentiment.

I ain't never told on nobody.

You ain't You ain't see nobody else say that, Or it's a dude who attacked me at the barber shop.

Is a well known, documented federal snitch, Kevin Spencer, twisted black hugged up with him.

None snitch.

Uh it's a book about this nitching called The Life of the Life of the fish Bowl.

So the city is scared of this.

Now they got them gangster snitches.

Now he won of them, got babies.

He impregnated fifteen year old kids.

Oh whooped the daddy.

It won't nobody saying that about it.

I won't mention keV.

Won't mention Kevin Spencer.

I'm known from the city that public that nitch.

That's what made me start pushing the snitch character because I watched all the g still hug him and hit his g when he came home after snitching.

He snitched on his young shooters, the young they caught him for dope.

He told on murders that the young shooters had got away with.

So it's young shooters.

So I said, man, this.

Yeah, but he still got the same level of respect here.

I am playing snitch and y'all gonna let me act like i'm so that's what made me really turning against That's who attacked me at the barbershop.

What happened with that case?

You beat I beat that ship.

I beat that ship, and what happened with them?

Uh, it's they charge is still pending.

The police was in on this, remember the police, the one put me.

The police was in on it.

That's how I got charge.

The black police in on this.

I'm with the white boy who wrote the book who made this nitch, Officer Tigan.

So me and Tigan is working with the kids.

That's who me and Aiden Ross went and helped the kids with When me and a and Ross went to the city, Me and Aiden Ross went and helped the kids.

So the Black police office is mad about this because this been paying the Black police office.

It's in the book.

Here I come working in the community, exposing the dirty of the black cops.

So you hear me say, Tracy Carter, out this the dirty cop twisted black all tied in with it.

So I'm with the white.

Boy cleaning up the community.

And we done help the kids of all these left the kid behind.

So they mad in me.

What did he attack?

So he attacked you because I called him a snitch because you were saying something I called.

Nobody in our city have ever called that snitch.

But it's but you said.

It's well known.

It's documented.

Kevin Spencer is part of the reason of fish Bowl fifty forty something crip members arrested.

He the main FBI snitched and he told him, cain't nobody whooped me.

So I ain't going in federal protection.

I'm coming back to the city.

Hey probably like man, Yeah, golden glove, champ Hitte, that's what cheating.

We were just talking my daddy getting me sleep.

He didn't wake me up with them good hands.

He hit me sleep.

So I days for a minute.

But when I come to or I get charged.

That's crazy.

Nigga, Yeah, nigga, when I come to I catch tooth aggravated saulce.

And it was on cameras, so they should they seen that.

Well, they the police mad at me, remember yeah, yeah, they want to know why did I go to the car to retrieve my weapon because they got they got them the coming and he got a pistol that the witness said after he hit me with the gun, he gave it to man Man.

Man Man put the gun in his right back pocket.

You see man Man holding a gun in the video.

Somebody from another police department got to steal shot of him holding the gun in the picture.

That's how I beat the charges.

Wow.

But at the time I had just made the comments about the Asians, so they put up They put a veteran Asian detective on my case.

God damn he know that rhetoric.

Here's another reason why you were probably upset with God yea yo, and and them allowing him in the school district, is because you someone that fell victim to the rhetoric like me.

There you go, y'all feel victim to that rhetoric.

It's two songs that that that changed my life.

Hey, we want some pussy or because I didn't know nothing about running trains.

So me and most of me and most of my knicks.

Uh, that's how we picked our girlfriends.

Every girl we know, admit we tried to run and train on the girl we couldn't run trains on.

That's who we typically dated.

It's always been by your homeboy, don't want you to have no single pussy.

Most of them can't get pussy.

Yeah, that was the culture.

By way of this song, Me and my homies like to play this game.

Some call it amn track or son.

These were instructions for we all would line up in a single fire line, pulling on that dick, carry up my turn something, running up to her, putting it on.

The man may come on and hurry up.

And she don't know the scht over.

She got addictions overhead, she got this yeah, waiting his turn, come on now and we and we twelve thirteenth and we listened to the music.

So then you got colors color.

I am a knight, Mary walkin cycle passed off.

So these are ways.

To to uh indoctrinate them or in exhibit angle and display angle release angle is giving you instruction.

I am a so trying to be a psychopath.

Then she the police made it so goddamn rebellious for no reason because at the time you got the police, you got the dark program, drug abuse resistant education.

Did the police come off of the Rodney King shit or before before long Barter police long before, long before, long before, So it wasn't even in response to that.

Come later niggas then Rodney King we got, uh, I think Snoop Nim Snoop and Dre had got together by the end.

Yeah, nah homeless.

So when we get the police, it created such a rebellious spirit amongst us toward authority figures outside of our parents.

So nah, nigga just had a natural disdain for police just off that song.

So it it it It's like it's like it became an indoctrination.

They and know they was doing it at the time.

It took it took a while for them to figure out what nigga took a minute.

They didn't know it for they had no idea.

See the Lord's talking them was hoghering the screen dash when they got here.

So you're talking ninety three two now they figured out.

That's when the industry shi okay, we got a machine.

Uh, that's when gangsterism came.

Before then the gangsterism, Uh, it wasn't in the culture at all.

It was that I think about it.

It was a veryal thing because you got to things.

You got cool o d you got l A L Dougie Fresh.

Then all of a sudden her comes in w n w A come right out a kid and played and you got something that ship yeah, yeah doing but you got something count of this ship.

Yeah, and it's a pushback on it.

But uh, when they realized the machine and the power of it, uh, they that's when they started commercializing gangsterism.

Uh, in painting it in the form of entertainment and in propagating it.

Uh.

Propagating it, uh, in promoting it to to to us as a culture.

So all the all the videos were shot behind balls in prison or now you starting to see the chalk lines.

They wouldn't put in the dead about it.

They was just putting chalk.

You started seeing the yellow tape.

Uh.

It was a slow or programming.

It wasn't the sensitation.

It was a programming.

Were not desensitized to it.

It still affects us.

Uh, we're just programmed by it.

Crazy.

First I seen.

Shut down, man, I want to Yeah, I appreciate that's my guy.

I'm finna talk to him about that too.

Man, I'm I'm gonna fix that.

You.

I don't know what was on stage, No, I got him and king his horns doing something.

Yeah, everyone to know they're gonna do to.

Men want to give him.

Appreciate you, but you're patient.

You're patient.

You know how to ask the question and then take a pivot, let them answer, and then based on how to answer, you know how to build off that question, use that question to transient to you.

So you real you you real strategic on like, Yeah, appreciate that.

Appreciate that for sure.

Yeah, I'm gonna fix that umar thing.

Yeah, I'm gonna 'all on staff.

I thank y'all together.

Gonna be could be a could be a good thing, right, just a good conversation.

And I know, I'm proudly I can fix it.

You know what I'm saying.

That's my guy.

I know I can fix it.

You know what I'm saying.

I know I can fix it.

I just gotta I gotta guarantee him that you ain't gonna yeah.

Same.

I had to do with Candice Owns though, Like I had to.

I had to guarantee her.

Look, I got control of this.

I'm moderating this.

We're gonna do it at the h B c U.

Yeah, T s U.

So you know my thing is, you know when you're gonna do it.

We waiting on her.

She she gotta give us today.

But they both are locked in.

So showing day you know you're good, you come.

Sitting yeah, yeah, yeah, because I.

Gotta fix that with you and him, because I think that's that's also another that's something that I think is gonna be.

That's that's gonna be one hundred meal.

That's gonna be beting Cat Williams.

And ain't want.

Daddy discussion, you know, cause he just came in contact with his daughters.

You last time he was here.

Because you know how I get out right, because you know I can go.

I can really dig if I won't because and then I platinum.

So ain't no case say nothing about me.

So I can dig dig like on some of them you can see well because it's me and your first time.

I'm not pushing it right.

It's like me and brother gotta get cool so he know I don't mean no harm with this.

This ain't harmful.

This is just content.

That's why me and Big Banks interview was so good because we had already built a relationship, right, you know what I'm saying.

So, yeah, so I ain't somebody pushing because I'm transparent.

Yeah, and I think you can't stand before the people and have this kind of mouth.

Uh, if you ain't willing to be pushed.

Bro Umar tell you when you talk to him, He'll tell you.

Loan raised my ship.

The way I got I started getting more bookis because I changed how people dealt with him.

People would just let him, you did, people just let him running.

Yeah, he was saying that he well, he goes, he goes, Yeah, and he got the deep voice.

And do you like this?

Yeah?

See that what I would pointing out.

Yeah.

See I'm pointing all that out on stage.

It's a crowd full of people too.

I'm rocking this bitch.

He doing me like you I said, y'all see him a nigga with this activeness, because.

That's you know, that's part of the Yeah I'm this part of the show.

It's the preacher.

Yeah, the theatrics.

I do it, I do it, I jump, I do it all the time, and.

He and so and so.

Uh.

It was.

It was a beautiful.

I even had to stop the crowd because he had them going so and see, I'm coming straight out the streets.

I ain't never done a live interview.

That was my first live interview would do.

It's six hundred and fifty people in that mark and I'm and they started acting like they finna take over the interview.

I start, hey, going on this my shit, y'all in here doing y'all got to calm all, let down, NI continue my name.

Yeah, get what though?

The comments start getting at me all and that he mad.

But they don't know.

They didn't feel the energy in the building was feeling.

It was going left.

Yeah, they were doing too much clapping and shit, they were just doing too much dick ride and they didn't like the fact that I was pushing.

Uh uh.

Black people want a hero so bad.

Yeah, but they also need a villain too.

Which one do you think you play?

I played the villain.

I came out playing the villain because to me, this what this would end up happening when when black people picked their heroes, they also turn them into a villain as well.

They did Michael Jackson, they.

Did Whitney Houston, they did them Max, they did Bobby Brown, They did uh, Gary Coleman.

Uh man, they did James Brown.

Because the hero, the hero has a has a has a weakening time, have a time where they appear to be human.

In every movie, Superman, Spider Man, all of them have a moment where they'll appear to be human.

And so when when our heroes are pet to be human, we kick them because that's normally when they're down.

Yes, so the time we seen them X at the gas station in Arizona, they take the pictures of them.

He got the herb mission in they used to laugh at him.

Uh.

With Whitney Houston, we did all our great so homie.

Uh.

People say, man, he just saying something.

But before I came to the internet, Uh, I really I really thought about what I'm doing.

I really say, Okay, uh, this what you go do?

So uh, I ain't want to be the hero.

I really came to play the villain.

That's why everything's been against everything we love.

But that's but that's kind of that is the hero.

Let me finish.

Okay, I'm glad you said that, but because what ended up happening when when when we or us or they pick you as the hero in the end, you become our villain, right, you stop being what we wanted you to be in the beginning.

So we done made all of our heroes villains in the end.

Yes, Uh, that's why I'm mad at this ten ninety Jake ship.

He trying to villain for our hero so then all of our villains become heroes and the end.

Look at R.

Kelly.

Yeah, he's well beloved today, you think, But but do you think that?

Because again, I think when the message is the message and the message is potent, and that's one thing you got and Umar gott and that's why again I'm gonna fix you, and Umar, I'm gonna fix that.

And yeah, I.

Agreed to him.

I agreed to him once before.

Yeah, but the people don't have the equity with him there, you know what I'm saying, Like, you gotta thank me and Umar been doing this five six years.

Yeah, and then and then and then and then I think he got a problem with the complexion of the brothers.

Yeah, because he and he's standing on that.

That's one thing with him and you both of y'all are like, yo, I stand on what I stand on saying with Candice on see, that's my niche in live shows.

My niche is to bring two scholars, two thinkers in there and let's get to it.

Yeah, and I've I got my.

Proof of concept with just me and Umar been doing it, and I got my deck and I all let to all the sponsorships and ship so we ready, Right, it's gonna go.

And I got the HB see you on lot to have the conversation.

So let me let me So this is Homon Wright.

Writing papers in college really helped me within it and just different things I've written about Hollywood, which is an entity, the entertainment industry.

It's an industry, but Hollywood is an entity.

Our government meets with this entity.

We don't know who run this entity.

This is a powerful entity, yes, right, and this power was gained because people like watching and listening to them.

And the whole proof of concept came from a story like Superman, a regular guy becoming a superhero, good guy turning hero, bad guy, turning hero, hero turning bad guy.

Those concepts built Hollywood.

I took the same concept homeie, We're coming to the Internet.

I'm gonna come play of villain.

At some point, I'm gonna get somebody's attention playing this villain, and they gonna look and see who this real man is.

The real man is really a hero in our retrospect, but online here a villain.

So that's how I was able to look at Nip in Eribis and say just how I'm gonna teach Because Confucian said, he who controls images controls minds.

Well, hip hop now is a because of gangsterism.

Uh, it's become a mind altering tool like a substance.

That like a substance.

So off of imagery, what image a gangster image?

Let's separate the gangster image because most of we think gangster.

I ain't really gangster.

It ain't gangst in the courtroom, ain't there you go?

So so when I learned about ear Miss, I said, I don't know what's go coming this.

It's gonna be my teaching point.

He wasn't who we saw as Nip.

When you listen to everybody who talk about this guy's mind and brain and how compassionate it was, how can he be a gang member repping sixties as notorious as there is and be you have to come play along and then break away and.

Get over with you same what you was doing in the boards there you go.

Yeah, so I was able to.

I wanted to separate, seeing that Charleston ain't seeing nothing right.

But I'm still always infatuated with you breaking those chains because I know they was heavy.

Chack it was it will it hume?

Uh because you because here you admire ear miss, and you're hurting.

You're hurting some people who think these are the same people.

But when I got to walk down before the casket, I made it my business to to to capture the facial expressions of black Sam and the mother and the father home.

And uh, they wasn't very nipsey.

We still got nipped.

We still got nip.

We can put a song on.

They ain't got I.

They can't play that music and bring get spirit.

So I was it was after that it was easy because so we was there to to to celebrate and beery nip.

They were walking away with a void that will never be felled.

So so.

When I learned that, I thought he wasn't when I found out he was from Ephrin and so.

Now I'm learning about now I'm learning about him.

Now I'm learning here you go.

Now I'm learning.

Uh, no, wonder he was different.

Not only he understands who he was, and he knew his culture and his names have a meaning, right.

Uh And Nipsey really wasn't his real gang name.

It was Thundercat, I think.

Yeah, yeah, yep was because he was under that other Yeah yeah, yeah, uh yeah, we knew nip Bared a whole nother person.

You know what.

Another part of.

You that I think is something that that is going to be studied, I'm talking in the future.

Is that because when let me ask you this first, have you ever been on the debate team.

Or anything like that?

Yeah, I almost can feel those draw Yeah.

I used to be on the debate team.

I did the I did the I did the civil rights play.

Uh yeah, I did all of them.

Spelling bee yeah, uh, science projects, I did it all home.

I could tell because when you came to the internet for me anyway, right, because I'm high level, I'm reading it.

I'm I'm I'm one of the highest level in America, so I'm knowing this.

But but I felt like a certain points you were pigeonhole in yourself.

I'm saying, no way you can get out of that.

We spun out of that, I said, God damn.

But because I mean listen.

As as as the things I have said home, it is a reason why I said it, and if you ask me, you press me.

And most people don't give me a reason why once I say it.

They won't let me explain it Home.

I can tell you anything I've said, I can give you a reason on why I said it.

Whether you agree with it or not.

I just didn't say it and that and that's hard for people to understand.

Oh man, he made it, and no I ain't.

Really this is what you got.

The equity though that people is you have.

Maybe not everybody, maybe not one hundred percent, but there's enough people in there that says yeah, but y'all.

Listening, man, brother really.

Built that up the time by doing what I'm saying, spinning out of spinning or now this was really about this, and in particular, you.

Can't homely listen.

Uh.

My mother have never watched me on the internet because of my language, so she don't know the internet persona.

And if you call her she gonna say, well, shoot, well I don't know him like that.

She can watch certain things, but you got a sneak it on him cause she don't know when I'm on cuss.

Oh, if you try to talk about that Charleston and she gonna say I don't know him, two different people.

So when I came to the internet, I wanted to get everybody attention homie, man, fuck that baby?

Oh man, how can he say that baby?

Man?

Listen, y'all say that baby every time, and it was a baby got killed over there.

Man, that's how y'all that baby.

But but y'all done said.

But you said it with your action.

Yeah, that's how you throw him.

And so for me, with high level game, that was even me up.

I would say, oh, he'd done got you with hypocrisy.

He whooping on you with hypocrisy.

And then I started to see other people try to take that approach, and I worried for them, in particular like Kanye.

I saw your birth the new Kanye, whether you.

Can well, we're home home No no, uh we have been then listen me, me and Kanye for at least a year, uh men, and books to each other.

We literally wrote books.

You damn the and doctrinated him.

Bro.

What I'm telling you, especially on hypocrisy tip especially.

As man, come on back home.

I'm trying to tell the man listen.

Uh yeah, we Homer, you can, he can afford to do it.

I had to come back to the middle.

Yes, I couldn't go all the way to the right.

I had to come back to the middle because they was they was erasing me the internet, and that's what they're doing to him.

Uh.

And they know that's not his heart.

They know that's not his heart.

But because the rhetoric running your game, he literally running your game.

He said, I'm on my charle some white ship.

I said, feel when he said that, is that a coat sign?

Or well, I'm saying, uh, I'm saying, we're both playing on opposite end of the field.

Again, we're both playing on opposite end.

Come on, let's let's play on the same end.

H If we both was on an end at the time I was doing it when it was, it would have been way more powerful.

You waited too late.

Now it seemed like you're coming off as hateful.

Uh and and and uh.

You getting lost in the rhetoric, because that's what I'm telling you.

The spin move.

I didn't tell you how I'm playing in my feet.

See, it's more game with this ship.

Now, I gotta give you.

You just saw the spin move and said, oh, that's how let me start running.

You're walking that.

Ain't you understand that I'm doing like that?

So I'm saying, damn, yay, we could have ran and they play together.

But right now, Uh, I done gravitated back this way toward everything you speaking against.

And I don't find out the people you're doing bussing with might be mad at you, but they kids love you.

These are the same kids that told Willy Willie.

I swear when I get up and take over, I'm gonna set you and your family free.

These them kids are saying they're gonna set a free y'all.

I'm with them.

Come on you, goddamn it.

Don't scare them out.

He's scarring them out.

That's good game.

That's good game.

They taking over you.

They're saying, they we're gonna I.

Promise you, Jimmy, when when again, I'm gonna send you and your mom and them free.

You're not gonna be a slave.

And you're talking about and the young influential Jewish kids and the people are the daughters and sons, are the people running these companies.

The admiration they had for ya.

But again he's he's he's flying so close to the son.

If he had all if you had all those deals, all that influence, would you do the same thing that he's doing.

Oh you had that power?

No, h Homer.

He doing what I did when I first came to the internet with nothing.

But you was fighting.

That's what I'm saying.

It's like you fighting to get into the industry.

It's like he fighting to get out there.

I was fighting a initial threat.

I don't know if he's fighting initial threat.

But then I don't know because he's a billionaire.

I don't know what billionaire right for sure, you know what I'm saying.

I know they snapped their fingers one day and he wasn't a billionaire.

That was crazy.

So maybe that's you know what I'm saying.

So I don't know what's his initial threat.

But I'm saying, Uh, every hateful, hearted, racist person have learned to love what they hate through their children.

I think we got to stay there saying, because that's some good game.

Boy.

He had the hearts and minds of them in.

All the youth, and that don't exclude Jewish children, That don't exclude children.

Yeah, it's everyone loved yay.

And then he started to do some of those things that can be confusing because he's using the Charleston White spin move.

You see what I'm saying, He's and when I say this, I wasn't.

I wasn't in pain.

Ya ya hurt.

Yeah, I was frustrated.

I wasn't hurt.

The difference I wouldn't.

I hadn't.

I was becoming angry.

I wouldn't mad.

I was becoming angry from this man.

Shout up?

Who man?

They shout up.

The ninety two year old woman had next door to Big Paul Mama, how made him?

So you know, I'm becoming But I wasn't mad.

Oh, I wasn't scoring.

I hadn't.

There was no.

I wasn't resentful because somebody had done something to me.

I'm saying, we I'm looking at men.

Okay, I'm just the conditions, Uh yeah, showing resentment, contentment or anger displaced anger.

So the ship you just what he dis playing.

Yeah, Y'A don't know if it's a tactic.

It's a tactic because see what happens.

What if you ask me, my opinion is he saw you wig a lot of that ship with the with with some of the rhetoric.

UF said some of the things that people are are unpleased with that you have said, but you were able to make it a point of that.

Baby man, y'all heard that, y'all don't care no about babies?

What about this?

What about that?

And so he started to see that hypocrisy was very effective when you can bring it to the light.

So he's trying to do that on a much, much, much major level.

I had sure, I had, I had sure if Bill Waburn come to me, big old, tall white man and then Chris Kyle are good friends.

He's a hero in white people eyes bad.

Sure.

Uh, he came to me, Charleston.

We love you to death.

Our children and everybody love you.

Man.

We just love you to death, he said.

But the use of the N word online, that get a lot of emails about it.

And it's when I was just starting to use the word.

He see mean, can you kind of scale back from it?

Homan?

They don't want their children to see that ugly side of this, right, as a contrary to what we believe.

They ain't nigger, nigger, nigga in front of their kids.

They ain't hateful, they ain't They really trying to shield them from that world.

And that's why you have the softened hearts from their children that say we love such as.

They love Lebron Jane, I love Stephen Kirky, the love Travis Scotty, they love little baby because.

They don' won't even appear hateful to their children.

The only people that's teaching their children right, so they can identify hate as a child.

There, you say, damn daddy.

Yeah, so yeah, I got my hateful toward white people, and they try to shield it from their black kids, saying, you know, my my daughter went to Schooters and me and my dad don't like my stuff.

He told the white people that, but he don't like white people but he didn't want his daughter to know that yet.

So oh but nah, home and so that homie, they kids don't embrace ya.

It didn't dawn on me.

Two years later, was sure, home and they kids is coming up in his party.

I'm I'm a bridge to my homies.

So they starting to embrace me.

But now all of a sudden, as they embrace me, I'm going hateful to it.

Yeah, so uh, I get it.

Oh, but you can't get it if you hurt.

And the error he put all his masterful work down there is those kids are getting older to where they're going to be running these.

Companies and runner, That's what I'm saying.

So he damn near, he damned there, he damn near blew it making for it.

They let him come back one time and apologize with the Taylor Swift ship Bush hate black people now with the things.

Remember the first he did.

Remember the first time he went against him, Uh, they shut down everything.

Then they kind of let him come back a little bit.

That's when he said it on trade.

He apologized again.

Yeah, it's gonna be hard for him.

They're gonna let you keep They're gonna let you keep doing and letting you back in at the table.

It's like, and this industry ship is bigger than just you making a good shoe, like you need that infrastructure.

Maybe he can do it global, but dog, I just think he was in a position to where he was that close to where them old people that he believes has that rhetoric and that outlook almost out the door, and you got the young fresh like.

With the Lakers, Kanye was on the path to be to be a world leader.

I believe that he was gonna be a world leader.

I believe that Yeah, Uh.

You know, I think a lot, a lot of a lot of it has to do with truice of women, or he'll strong.

He can't have no weak white woman.

I ain't gonna say that weak, but yeah, he gotta have a specific one that he can't control.

Uh.

And it seemed like he picked women he can control, or he have to have one that he honored respect enough to.

Uh.

He let her be free to be.

Her and and she helped him be who he needs to be.

Uh, because who he is right now ain't who he need to be for us.

Uh.

Yeah, you know he's supposed to being came back and started a tennis you factory with them.

Yeah, if it ain't nothing but a WORDIU producer them.

You want to talk that talk, come.

With a products that that eas gonna be way more bad than that's diamond swastika.

Spell if you'd have done it right when they canceling, Man Jesus on the sneakers.

You want to get back at white folks, make a prod him, make him clean and make him go n.

I G G E.

Arah.

You mean that's way worse than that swasa.

So what what do you so?

The swastika chain and all of that.

You think he kind of here in the wheeze.

Now, Uh, it's it's that's too pitty, so so Sonny Weer, that's how you know, it's pity reached.

Yeah.

Well and that's pitted them.

Yeah, thats just pitted it them.

Uh.

Now they can write him off as crazy.

Yeah, now they can write him off as crazy.

So uh yeah, you know the crazy musical genius.

Right, yeah, I think I think.

So what what do you think the pathway is for him?

Now, come on back and be again.

Uh?

He done went to words the white girl that were half naked me, you knowing go dress like that?

Nigg me.

You can't do no sister, how you've been doing the cocma.

H he done went.

He got to come back and be semi nick again.

Yeah, Polo, Kanye Rapp, Kanye hit reset, Yeah yeah, yeah, he got.

Hit and he can do it.

Uh yeah, he can do it, but he got to come back and play.

I want to talk about to the fact that that you were pushing back on the comedy ship at first, because I think that's something also that I want people to know is that the cook the white boys play with that out of time right when they get to say in certain things, they can be unpleased and or unpleasant.

And not not just him, uh, all of them.

It was I think it was three or four country white boys.

They was kind of like the Kings of comedy, a white comedy.

But uh, the cable guy, remember the cable guy, white boy get her done?

Yeah, and all them fur white boy man.

They had some of the most controversial comedy and statements during the beginning.

It was during Obama thing.

Oh they people fanned out over them.

Oh.

I didn't know that you can go on stage and tell the truth and people laugh.

I thought the truth hurts, But I didn't know our truth hurts so bad that we have to laugh.

Until I got online and started telling the truth.

Some people laugh, some people tried to flick a look at that boss spot in his head.

Them dredged in cause nigga that truth all niggas.

So I didn't realize how powerful the truth was until I got online.

So now people laughing, and I'm being exalted.

I'm fining what you blocked?

Would just to block so much?

Shadow band your pay?

They thought someone wrong, they stopped letting him block.

I was in one of the list.

One day he blocked.

They ain't something else.

Let me tell you how this is crazy.

Man.

This used to have a live and threatened bet nobody better not make no comment.

Yeah, and that's part of the engagement yourself.

Edytime somebody come me block block, I said, don't nobody come me block.

That's a that's a that's a frustrated community activist.

That was a frustrated community activist using this social media platform the wrong way to come vent.

Yeah, to con vent.

This is not for you to come spill your problems.

Oh my mama in the hospital, y'all pray for you.

It ain't for you to come on her on your death bed.

This is a social networking people on her to have fun, flirt, wink at each other.

I think it used to be a wink, but this poke there you go, you poke your yeah, you know yeah what we're doing.

Yeah, yeah, we used to poke with he like, oh yeah, so now home and so this was so oh we didn't understand that they baiting us on her for free.

It's the reason why you get on her for free.

And it wasn't until twenty fourteen that every phone had these apps on them, but it was Facebook, YouTube, stall some of them come in stall.

So that wasn't a hint to nobody, it was to me.

Then social dilemma.

Came that changed you when you were I remember when you you went on about six months.

I think I went live.

I think I went live showing things about it, and you would reference it.

Yeah, and that's how you know when one of us got some new information, because our next three four interviews or next three four months, you will hear us reference why you.

Think you why you think you hear So many black women use the word narcissistic.

Now narcissism.

It's a new word exactly that they all of a sudden, they wasn't using it five years ago.

Yeah.

Uh so that that movie taught me, Okay, you can make money on here, how tough.

That's what planned to see them because I'm saying, they say, companies just sending all this money over here for advertisement, this and that.

Uh, how you make money?

Right, And that's that's what started me now in this rabbit hole, and nobody knew, I'm everybody how you make money.

Nobody knew.

Nobody knew about Google absence.

It ain't YouTube, and you been it from your town.

The rappers from your town were so slow hand.

Paton Films had all that ship free.

Yeah, he was the only kind of knew and he wasn't in that game.

He wasn't even moneytime.

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