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Probably if you don't know by now, if you've been a frequent watcher of Under the Docks, you understand that names are not my forte right, so you'll get the gist of this.

But this was a surprise one for me.

Right when you see Thoughts and Prayers, you're not really sure what it's about.

This is about school shooting.

And even going in because I've never seen this it's a new documentary on HBO Max.

I was like going in right away with the eyes of like, here we go.

They're about to feed me some garbage, bull crap, which I'm not saying it's not there.

It gives you a little couple of twists and turns that maybe you wouldn't expect the angle that they go at.

So you saying you're you're going in with a little bit of bias, A little bit of bias I get.

I guess all cards on the table me too, a little bit.

Blotting the course on this film they go through right away, they shoot show you kind of dangle in front of your eyes, which I didn't get at first, But they show you right in the beginning where they're kind of headed towards the end of this film, but they introduce you to all these people trying to sell you.

It looks like you're at one of those.

Big like there's a convention.

It's like a convention for some shooter supplies, shooter supplies, defense supplies.

And preparedness.

Right.

They have like you know, flip up tables, they have like these have like shields, they have these robot dogs.

They got everything.

They got pretty much everything.

And then they start diving in to the school shooters and what people do, and then you see like they don't emphasize like this is what I was expecting.

I was expecting the film.

To be like Columbine and and show us every shooting that ever happened and get us like, you know, worried about it.

But they start focusing on this prepared in school shooting preparedness industry that I had no really idea that, I mean, thinking about it now, you're like, oh, yeah, duh.

But like at the time, I've never it's never really come across my radar.

And as they're they're they're having some interviews with some of the kids and talking about, you know, school shootings and all that.

They actually go through drills, and they show the drills in the beginning of what I've never went through these drills.

I'm sure you never went through these.

Drills, but like I know, my daughter has kind of gone through some of these drills and some of the younger kids.

It's not everybody in America, but there's a large percentage of these schools that practice these drills that'll have an alarm setting and like, hey, we're getting it's like a fire drill, except you're like, hey, shooters here, we're locking the door.

We're doing this.

How do we approach the kids?

Then there's different layers to this, like that I didn't even know that the extreme leaps and bounds they go in this film to show me, like oh wow.

There's even a scene where they're taking people and they're putting fake wounds on them, like gunshot wounds, like on the neck, on the body.

Like there's a whole company that makes these like what are they plastic prosthetics like from films, and they put them all over like people that volunteer to sign up for this, for this preparedness, and you lay there as a wounded kid.

They say it's so that you won't be shocked when this happens.

You know what, you know, there's a name for this already, right, It's called crisis.

These are literal crisis actors they're hiring.

And so I guess the structure of the movie.

It's not like a big spoiler or anything.

It's really simple, so that it starts out at this convention and then it goes into this actual school where you've got the students, the teachers, and the parents, and they're interviewing everybody about like what they feel about school shootings and guns, and so like the entire documentary is jumping between this convention of people selling new products that are there to protect a school shooting.

Then you've got the kids perspective, and you've got the adults perspective, and it just kind of like bounces between all these different ones throughout the entirety of it.

And the part that you're talking about is that the overall premise of this movie is that they've shown up to this school and they're like, look, we're going to re enact in actual school shooting.

Some of you are going to get cast as victims, some of you are just going to be in a classroom and you're going to be kind of like there to observe it.

And then there's like parents that are just there to like just watch everything happen because it's like a big community event, right, Like the entire community is in on this thing.

And it's also it was just like this is literal crisis acting, right, there's no other word for that.

And this is a three billion dollar industry.

This mass shooting preparedness, and they talk about it.

In twenty twenty two, Congress approved one billion dollars.

For school security.

So then you get all these guys that go, oh, well, I can make something that protects you.

I mean you had everything from tables that flip up as shields, to things to lock the door, things to cover the windows.

It was pretty incredible as they go through, and I want to talk about some of the things that really stuck out for me.

One of the biggest ones for me was they had this simulator.

It's literally a video game called Edge.

Oh man, I knew you were going to go right here.

To man this one a will It's like, what is going on now?

If you don't know what Edge is, it's a video game pretty much that was put together by the Homeland Security right.

They've come together with like, hey, here's a video game kind of a mix of Grand Theft, Auto and Call of Duty and Golden Eye, a first person type of shooter that where somebody is the school shooter but you don't know who and all these people are participating it in they have their little headsets on, like they're playing online on Xbox or on your on your computer or whatever, and then like they show the scene, it's it's kind of funny but kind of weird at the same time, like because you have all these grown adults as kids.

Right, it reminds me of like roadblocks and stuff where I'm like, all right, there's some weirdness going on here, and they're walking around like hey, Jenny, how's it going?

Oh?

Nothing good?

And then the ones like no.

You're an idiot and you're dombing boom bam and you start shooting.

He's got a cone.

It was It was a while too that this is a game made by Department of Whole Land Security, and I think it's the only school shooting game that is allowed to exist, because there's been a few, like edgy ones that popped up, but then they immediately get taken down and condemned.

Yet this sounds like the Department of Whole Land Security has a monopoly on the only school shooter game in existence allowed to exist, and it really it.

Ultimately it sucks though, right like the budget that Department of Homeland Security has the crank out a video game, they could have made an actual good one.

And when I saw this it looked like a tech demo that i'd seen in like a college course.

It really did.

It was like not the great That's why I said roadblockie.

It had that like the characters look lego y.

They're not like uh define like if you.

Can raise ms where the character like they just immediately turn left that they just like rotate forward left and then they just like run in one direction, like they don't have any natural movements and stuff.

So I think that they would have been capable of doing more.

So I'm not going to sit here and make a criticism about how good their school shooter game is, but how do at least mention that, yeah.

It is kind of crappy.

And they also mentioned this eighty eight Tactics Guns and Training facility in Nebraska, and you just they show footage of it and all you see it looks like kids just running around in a laser tag like paintball area.

But this siren just going off and they're like aha, and they're like, yeah, we chase them around, you know, so they can know like if somehow's gun got And.

I'm like, what is going on here?

Because it just having fun.

The kids are smiling.

Yeah, there they are having fun.

They're running around and I'm like, is this necessarily what we want?

Like they're just like, ah, guns, They're like, we have this nice.

It looks scary but it's not scary, but it looks like it will hurt, like and I'm just like, what are we doing here, man, We're just sending kids out and being like, all right, there could be a school shooter.

But to go back to they have these semi relations which I knew that they were doing these things in school as far as like hey, a fire drill type, but what we're talking about is on a large scale where they're having these fake wounds and they're actually getting teachers to sign up for it.

They're actually getting different students to sign up for it so they can be you made a good point, Like you're like, this is the development of a crisis actor, Like, hey man, this is just play dead bro, like lay there and pretend you're not alive or so you can feel how.

It would be.

They even go as far to show all these teachers like and their training, and one teacher, I don't know why she's sitting on the desk like that the whole time.

It's very disturbing.

The way she's like that she's a bigger lady, and she's standing on the desk kind of awkwardly, and she's just like, I hate guns with all my life, but what am I gonna do if they come into my class?

And then they show.

Her training and how they're using, like how tactics of a school shooter to come and how they would react and how the disarmament of them.

So I didn't know what was going on to this extreme of where not only are they taking like classes to learn how to shoot and to disable armed men or women or whatever, they also have these full on, full blown I'm just gonna say it, one of these scenario is like Event two one, right, like where you're just kind of like, hey, it's just a test.

It's like, you know, able danger, right like all these like oh, you know, we're not really doing school shootings, man, we're just kind of seeing what we would do if there was one.

Well here here's I think something that the documentary does really well is that they highlight at the very beginning in a subtle way, but they make a point to mention that one billion dollar injection the Congress puts into specifically school shooting prevention.

So now all of a sudden, you've created an industry that demands to be seen.

There's I mean, there's one guy in there and he's sells a picture of your family, like the family photo, and you hang it on the wall, but you take it off the wall and it's a bulletproof shield.

And then he's got like one of like the kitten and it or it's the one of American flag and it just turns into a shield that you can block bullets with.

And he's talking about next year this time, this is going to be a three hundred million dollar business.

And that's wild to me, right, because if there's a billion dollar budget for this, that one dude's not taking up a third of that.

So the fact that the government injected a billion dollars into this industry that lets him start it in this way, but then it creeps out into the private sector and it turns into a legitimate business that now there's a financial incentive for this industry to continue.

If you've put all your life savings into bulletproof desks for teachers or into how to train a teacher with a gun, that is now your focus, and you've now got an incentive for a school to require these things and for the to require the teachers to go on these trainings, And I thought that that was also a really interesting theme.

Is that you see from the beginning of this documentary to the end also teachers going through tactical training in Nebraska, also just going to a shooting range and learning how to operate a firearm and like, hey, it's not a big scary thing.

And then some of them even go into another type of simulator where it's got these three different projectors on walls and it's they're kind of like in the middle of a big quad area and there's a hallway that goes down one way and a hallway behind them, and they have to be able to kind of keep their eyes open and look in all directions and actually shoot the shooter right like shoot the bad guy.

So it's interested in the sea just normal people going through this and being confronted with that whole premise of let's just arm the teachers.

And now you see teachers actually getting armed, and some of them don't even want to, and it's just like a program that they're county bought into because again the government created a one billion dollar industry all around this, So that was like the seed that gets planted, and everything else that happens all the way to this big crisis acting event where kids are putting on prosthetics and laying around dead on the field and screaming out mommy, mommy, Like all of that is ultimately coming from that billion dollars.

And they even have a scene where one of the guys is like talking to I think it's like school executives or what and saying like how you should need his product, and he's like, you know, it's not just my product.

So you could see that they're they're kind of like selling the products, some of them together, right, like you know you're gonna need mine and his product, Like they're trying to boost the whole industry up where they're like, yeah, mine goes well with his alarm, with his setting of this, and they're like kind of packaging it to how it's so important for you to get this for the safety.

And what I got from this is nine to eleven, right TSA.

This is the same feel that I was getting because it just felt like, oh, they're pushing fear and then selling it.

They're like, hey, are you scared?

The easiest way to market things is fear right, You're like, hey, man, you don't want your kid to die, right, Hey, buy this shield.

You don't want to die, right?

Hey, kids, you don't want to die, right.

And I think that also the fact that we didn't go through this kind of training and now it is because I think Columbine happened while we were in school, maybe like towards the very very tail end of it, right, but that was sort of the initial spark that started this industry.

And then a number of these guys that are starting these companies from that initial billion dollars, a lot of them are citing Sandy Hook, So it sounds like Sandy Hook was the other major catalyst that then creates this entire industry.

And it is like, I don't know, I'm curious on what your opinion is on, Like what do you think about an industry that now exists to make bulletproof shields in classrooms?

Do you think a classroom should have a bulletproof shield in it?

I don't necessarily, I mean I understand that the safety aspect of it, Like if I was a teacher, I wouldn't mind carrying a pistol.

Right just in case.

But that's me even everywhere, But I can't go to work, like someone could go to my job and shoot it up.

I can't have my pistol.

I mean, like, I just don't think we should leave live in a world of fear.

I mean, I don't have a problem with people like having the industry.

You could sell whatever you want, you can make up anything you want.

But I don't like the fact that we're using this.

And then there was a key claim in here that one of the girls said, one of the young students had said, and you know you could see throughout the whole film.

They interview her and she is shaken.

She's really worried about a school shooting, right, she really thinks it could possibly happen.

Her and her brother.

And she's like even go as far as going like, yeah, I have this like little prepared pack in my backpack that like if something happens, I'll be able to help people.

And you know that's sad, I said.

I want to think like she's got a glock, yes, just.

Like out like that, you know what I mean.

But you can see that the real fear, like it's genuine, like it's disturbing her.

And she cites this one fact or I think the brother does towards the end of the film and he's like, they're talking about it, and they're like, yeah, well, school shootings is the number one.

Death of kids.

And I'm like, who, wha, wha, what are they talking about?

And then I kind of looked into it and they're like, well, those statistics are skewed because when they say kids, they include people up to nineteen, and it's all about gun violence, not just school shootings, but gun violence.

They said that if you take out the eighteen and nineteen year olds and you can just go from the ages of one to seventeen, it dramatically drops.

And then they're also including gang activity and accidental shootings and suicides.

So that was kind of disingenuous how but again, I don't think the film was being disingenuous.

I think whoever told him that, and the narrative that's being probably teacher teacher.

Yeah, you're right, because they even show a kindergarten teacher, right, and she actually pre because I think it's preschool and she's like okay, kids like she they're showing how like difficult.

She's like filming, and I think on TikToker or something where She's like explaining to the kids, like we're gonna do this thing, but like, you know, you gotta listen to me when I say get in the cubby, And I'm like, dude, I don't want my kid thinking that he's gonna get smoked every day he.

Goes to school.

He's definitely not want to go to school.

They don't want to go to school in the first place, and this gives them another reason.

They're going, hey, man, I want to get shot up.

When it's statistically very low.

You're more likely to get hit by a tornado at school than a school shooter statistically right, like not by much, but I think like the in the seventy one people die of tornadoes a year or something like that, and like forty five to forty nine people die in school shootings a year or something.

Don't math me right, but I'm around in that range.

Oh.

It's like, I just don't know where to get the numbers, but I know where to get it is because of legislation.

And then they kind of allude to in this film like, hey, the government kind of opened this door to this industry.

That's also where I have a problem with this industry.

It's not like it's grassroots.

I'm sure people were selling stuff, but when the government puts a billion dollars out there, like, all right.

Come at it.

And I'm not mad at the people to try to get the money, but you're like, you created this industry.

You know where that billion dollars didn't go though, it was didn't go to like better books or new computer labs or so.

Here's your thing, too, is that you're going to invest all this money.

But it's not like we're in the top ten of education anywhere, so we're protecting a bunch of dumb kids.

Like why are you gonna spend all this?

Myight, not that's not what I really mean, but I mean it's like, if you're going to spend I'm sure these bulletproof desks are not cheap.

I bet you They're not like eighty bucks, right, so they probably cost the equivalent of a few different computers.

I think you'd rather your kid come out of school smarter than more scared.

But like safer and I picked up on the same thing that you mentioned.

So it's the kid.

They have.

This kid, I'm horrible with ages.

I'm gonna guess he's ten.

Maybe he's like twelve or something, but it's him and his younger sister, and she's the one they're talking about right before the event happens or before they do the reenactment, and she's like, yeah, I don't think it's even gonna phase me.

And then three seconds later, no cut, she starts crying.

So you're like, oh damn.

You know, it's like she's putting on this big front, but this girl is absolutely terrified.

She just said that she keeps a first aid kit in her backpack, that she thinks that she's gonna get shot one day, or that someone she knows, or like one of her teachers.

And then the brother that's when he's like, yeah, you know, it's the number one killer in America, look it up.

And same thing.

But well he's talking about is guns.

If you say gun deaths, if you were to say school shootings, I think it goes down to like point one or point zero one or something like you have a better chance of getting hit by lightning or winning a lottery or having your plane go down than you would be in a school shooting.

Although counterpoint, if you do compare the US to every other country, it is significantly like youth death by gun is significantly higher than anyone else.

So even though technically if you take out suicides and you take out gang violence and eighteen and nineteen year olds and all of that, like all the crime related deaths, and it's just about like how many kids, innocent children are dying by guns, it still doesn't drop out of the top ten.

Like it's still floating around cancer and car crashes and like you know, general medical complications.

So and that is wild.

But I wonder if we and if they invested a billion dollars into making kids self esteem higher so that forty percent of all child gun debts weren't due to suicide.

That might be a better use of the billion dollars instead of the bulletproof desks.

I don't know, or I'm with you too, or invest that money into the school and maybe with a better education and better opportunities that maybe not only that suicide goes down, but maybe you don't get these kids that are inflicted.

Maybe you don't you find outlets for these kids like why they're reaching And I mean without using my tinfoil hat and going into like what I think some MK culture stuff and things of that nature that could be possible see.

Someone to go there.

Screw it, let's go there, man, because because I want to open the door on this too.

Is that if you even mentioned like the SSRI angle and the fact that it's like pharmaceuticals also have entered the ring at some point recently when all these upticks happened, that the origin of most of these drugs that you give kids in school, the riddle in and the anti ADHD stuff, all of this was basically from like the early nineteen hundreds, nineteen twenties through nineteen forties, they just started giving meth the problem kids and realized that they would shut up and pay attention a little bit.

So this also just feels like a problem that academia created for itself one hundred years ago, and now it's just starting to come to turn.

Yeah, and they're not actually fighting the actual problem.

And they're like, you know what, why is there school shooters?

I don't know, but we need to protect the schools.

It's like wait, wait, wait, let's go back and figure out why their school shooters are like no, no, no, don't worry about that.

They're gonna be there.

There's nothing you can do about it.

Like they're gonna come out of the woodworks.

All you can do is protect yourself and you're like, no, this is not a tornado or hurricane.

Did they even compare it.

That's where I was like, whoa, whoa.

These kids are comparing a natural disaster to a school shooter.

And I'm like, so they're being bred to believe, hey, there's nothing you can do.

There's gonna just be crazy school shooters throughout your life.

And it reminded me of the MK Ultra stuff.

It also reminded me some of the serial killer stairs of the sixties and seventies and a little bit in the eighties, which you don't hear about as much anymore right now.

The new boogeyman is mass shootings, school shootings.

It's just kind of interesting to me on that level.

And I'm like, they're psychologically disrupting these kids day to day, thinking every day that it could be my last day in this classroom.

And they're emphasizing that.

They're hearing it on the news, they're hearing their parents say that.

I remember when my brother last year, my nephew started Young fives.

It's this program they have for kids that are not quite to be in kindergarten yet, right, But instead of holding them back, what they do is they all start them a little later.

Everybody that is born later in the year.

As they're going into the introductions, he's telling me that this lady's just like, so, what are we gonna do about school shootings?

Though it's like what, like that's your introduction of like this is my main focus is to make sure that no one could again.

It is.

It is one of those things that plucks on your emotional strings when I see a school shooting in kids, like it's gonna make you feel like emotional like that.

But let's not let that emotion get us into a fearful state of like we're like, oh, we can never stop this.

The only way to stop it is pump more into the security industry.

That's gonna make us prepared.

And that's where I'm like nine to eleven TSA, you know, Patriot Act.

It's it's not the same exact thing, but it's in that pool of that cesspool of stuff.

And they don't mention the MK Ultra experiments.

They don't mention the SSR rise, they don't mention like the depression levels and why kids are feeling a certain way.

They don't even mention the social aspect, the social media that has changed kids perspective as well.

They just go, it's something you can't get rid of, but we could prepare for it.

Well, someone mentions it because they go back to the convention and they cut to this guy and it's the guy that's doing this training, which I say, like, these are also some of my favorite scenes.

Or he's chasing kids around, like popping them with like like a pellet gun or something, and they're like, you know, screaming about having fun.

And then he brings out the little shock knife, which is like a taser but in the form of a knife, and then he's like, you know, chasing these kids down there screaming, and it shows like old ladies.

I'm not even joking about this.

Imagine you're like old lady, lunch lady from your elementary school, and he'd reenact where he he's got a gun and he comes around a corner and your lunch lady grabs his arm and like wrestles the gun away from him.

And then there's some scenarios maybe a horrible analogy here where there's this episode of Seinfeld where Kramer goes and fights like a bunch of karate kids, but they're like eight, but there's like twenty of them, and he gets his ass kicked by like these twenty karate Like.

There's also a scene when he's trying to teach like a classroom full of elementary kids.

Here's how you take down an active shooter if it's like a grown man with a gun, and you just see him like all like jumping grab it onto his leg, and other kids like grab it onto the gun.

Like all of this seem like horrible advice.

But then they sit down and they talk to him and he starts spitting some like actual facts, bro like, So he says the base human is a violent, superstitious and savage.

It was like a direct quote from him.

And as soon as I heard that, I was like, Okay, I'm listening like this, this is some real talk all of a sudden, right, And then he says that the reason for school shootings is the lack of tribalism, that the feel of community worth is gone, that in the past all American kids and Americans in general had more exposure to firearms, not less that semi automatics have been around for over one hundred years and it hasn't been an issue until very recently, and that ultimately it's the whole angle of like, it's not the gun, it's the person.

The guns don't kill people.

People do.

And then he's going on about this alternate view because we've gotten one view from the documentary and now here's a legitimate version of that might end up being like, hey, let's look into what's causing this to happen.

Even though he's the guy that's like, hey, I'm making money doing this, but he trains like Delta forces.

One week, he said, and then the next week he's teaching lunch ladies, and next week he's chasing kids around with like shotguns and stuff.

And as he's explaining his perspective on this, they fade his ass out and then they bring in the little nine year old girl and her older brother, and then they're talking about how adults don't listen to them.

And I thought it was like a great point the documentary because I couldn't tell if the documentary was being so tone deaf that they themselves were blot like ignoring what the adult says to show the kids saying how the adults don't listen to them, but it was really them not listening to the adults.

But anyways, it was just like such an ironic moment and that was the one part of the documentary.

I was like, Okay, here's someone that's actually about to talk about this and then and they'd never go back into it.

They don't.

And one of the highlights for me too is like I don't know if they intended to or not, but to really show these kids and their vulnerability and where they get this from.

Again, they don't just.

Wake up one day and think of school shootings, but living this from when you're seeing a video of like oh, they're teaching this in preschool and now these kids are in junior high and now these kids are in high school and you're going through all this cycle of every year.

Not a fire alarm where you're like, ah, fires happened, I could get out, but the fact that they actually think that a school shooter is a natural disaster.

Right ay, school shooting season, you know what I mean?

Oh dang, it's April again.

Ah man, I didn't even get my bulletproof vest yet.

Mom.

We need to we need to go get the bulletproof vests and the uh, and the all the cool.

Kids have bulletproof backpacks.

How come I don't have a bulletproof backpack?

And you're like, cause they're like eight hundred dollars, that's why.

And then they kind of go through like how these things aren't tested, Like right, there's not any like, oh, this really works to the extent that they say it does.

It doesn't have like anything that could, like not an FDA approval.

But you know what I'm saying, there's no like, hey, yeah, well my work might not work.

Right.

It's it's these people coming up with inventions, right, just to make a buck.

They're like, hey, this could work, and it doesn't mean that it's gonna save your life.

There's no proven statistic that can show you that a bulletproof backpack could it maybe possibly help you?

Sure, but you can't be like, hey, if you get this, for sure, you won't die.

And that's how they're selling it, like.

You will die if you don't get my bulletproof a wedding photo of you and your wife that you can hang on the wall, so boom, grab it.

And I think that's part of the aspect that rubbed me the wrong way about this industry.

I'm not against having like a bulletproof the fend shield in every room of the house.

I actually love that idea.

But maybe that's just the American in me.

But I also feel the same thing that they kind of overemphasize that to these kids, and you really do get like a very sad feeling that they're being bred in fear, like they actually think that there is a statistical chance that they're going to be shot in a school shooting.

And I mean, technically, on paper, I guess that's true, right, but to the level that they believe this and the amount of schools that are going through and doing these like crisis acting rituals and buying all this.

Actually, again, if we had the number one, if the schools were already great and they weren't just like losing money and churning out dumb kids, and it's like, we need a way to protect these really smart kids that are going to be the next wave.

But at this point, it's almost like, maybe he should just reinvest in books, get some really thick books, and maybe that book will buck a bullet, but it also might make you smarter in case that bullet never comes.

And I like how the documentary was able to like objectively show some of that and then the other narrative that strings some of this together.

And I can't tell if it was in this exact school or if it was just in a school in the area, but that there was this event that I had to look up because you didn't get all of the dates and the details.

So July twentieth, twenty twenty one, there was a twenty four year old guy named Christopher Clay who was the janitor for South Medford High School in Oregon, and he turns himself into the cops and he's like, hey, I'm I've been thinking about plotting a mass school shooting at my school, and I'm here to turn myself in, and they arrest them, and they raid his house and sure enough they find guns and Ammo and like a whole manifesto letter and plans and everything, and apparently he was going to do it on freshman Day, which is when just a freshmen show up to the school for orientation and no one else was really there, so it was he was like intentionally going to go there and wipe out the youngest kids in the high school.

And they stop them, and that's that was like not the thing that made the bill get passed, but it was definitely what the documentary hinged itself on was that one thing where like, hey, here's an example where someone stopped themselves, but clearly this is an issue that's going to keep popping up and then it's not going away, So that it was interesting how they use that to like thread The rest of the story was based on that very specific example, and that was in the area that all these kids that they're interviewing came from.

Hidden treasures and overboard moments.

What was some of your hidden treasures?

Uh, I didn't know about all of the different gadgets and stuff.

There was, uh some of it is sick man, right, But there was the two guys that they started the company about the fake bullet wounds and the fake neck wounds, and they had one where they, like you can tell it was an hour into them getting interviewed and they're starting to really get into their own products, like here's one where that the penis and testicles have been mutilated, and he like holds it up and he's like, but what you really want to notice is this right here?

It goes right through the ephemeral artery like that, Like these guys are so into it's so accurate and it's so and dude, when they actually show people wearing this stuff, I mean it's it's chotski, right, Like it's like very low quality.

We're not talking like high Hollywood stuff.

But they make this whole industry out of it, and they start this whole business and they call it like the Box of Gore or something.

They have like a clever little product name for it.

And then he's like and now we're going to expand into pediatric wounds, Like now he's gonna make ones just for babies, And it just shows the level of like how far down the rabbit hole these guys are into, like the commercialization of this whole like selling fear and crisis acting industry that now they're working on fake wounds for babies that they're then gonna like you know, sell and turn into its own like next year, we're going after preschools, right because anyone can get shot these days.

Here's an example of it.

So it was wild to see all that and and the way that it was juxtaposed and the way that you actually got to see the cuts between the teacher, like there was I guess one of the other biggest hidden treasures for me, it was when this teacher almost became self aware, Like maybe she did, but it felt like she got right to the almost peak of the mountain and then was like, I don't know, I'm kind of tired.

I'm gonna go back down now.

And it was like, no, if you just went a couple extra steps, you would have hit the top.

But she's talking about, yeah, you know, maybe some of this is just because I don't make the kids feel very good about themselves and I'm the only real, like role model that they have, and if I am dismissive of them, then maybe they can harbor that anxiety and angst and like now they hate school and they don't want to come here, you know.

But I'm myself just trying to hold on with like a loose threat.

We don't really get paid a whole lot, so I just need to worry about me.

I was like, oh my god, you were so close.

You were almost to that point where it's like, hey, maybe I'm in a profession where I am actually shaping the minds of children, and I'm acknowledging that I'm a shitty teacher, like I might be.

What I heard her saying was like I'm kind of a bitch to these kids, and maybe that's causing like planting the seeds of what then can grow into something that turns into a huge situation.

But instead of her being and like, yeah, maybe I really should work on that, it's like, yeah, but they don't pay me enough to deal with that.

So anyways, and it was just like this, it was a I don't know if they meant to capture that exact moment or if that moment even existed, but when I saw it, I was like, oh my god, what a self like almost self aware realization that combined with just clipping over the dude that was like, hey, maybe it's because we've lost our sense of community and the two kids come into like okay, boomer.

Anyways, Yeah, for me, the hidden treasure was and I don't know if they intended to, they kind of like put it in the film, is this like how much trauma these kids are going through doing these drills, Like I'm like, oh, this is why, Like I'm almost like you're creating school shooters from doing these drills almost because.

They're in this anxious state constantly of in fear.

They're like, you know what, I'm going to bring a gun to school because maybe this guy.

And then it gets you into that old like feeling of like paranoia where you're.

Like, oh, man, that anybody could be a school sho deck.

Gu's a school shooter deck.

And then if you get into that paranoia state at a young age, you could become a school shooter.

You could be in that same mind frame.

But also just in general, the depression level is so high anxiety, so I'm like, yeah, this shit's so high because every kid that is going through these things literally thinks that they're going to die any day at school, and that's pounded in their head like through the news media, through the government, through the parents, through the teachers, and as you pointed out, a lot of these teachers are not there to be teachers.

They're just like, ah, it makes like forty thousand, sixty thousand a year.

It's not a lot of money, but I get summers off, and that's what they look for instead of like, hey, I actually like developing the minds of children to be into that next level of what society should be at.

So it showed a mirror to what the real problems are without actually saying it.

And so again, I don't know if they put this in the film to let us or if we're just watching it through our lens and that's what we take from it.

But I took like these poor kids man, Like at the end, the one.

Brother does the the little you know, fake gun wounds in the whole scenario, this fake mass shooting, and he's like, yeah, I don't know if it really helped.

I'm actually gonna go do something to never have to think of this again, because this was pretty disturbing.

So it's like it was no help whatsoever.

That to me opened my eyes.

There was even right after he says that, because they're like, so, what are you gonna do now?

And he still has like the loose giblets of like the bloody neck hanging off of them, and he's like, yeah, I'll just like go play some video games or something, you know, just take my mind off of this.

And that was how it ended.

And then when the credits roll, they show the actual aftermath of a real school shooting, and I thought that was kind of like a masterfully done juxtaposition where it's like, here's this kid that apparently has been trained.

Now now he knows how to react in the school shooting.

And he's like, Okay, I'm to go have a pepsi and play some you know, some PlayStation or whatever.

And then it cuts to people like terrified crying, like the actual dead people around them.

So I thought it was a clever way of showing like this kid is not has been trained for anything, like even even though they went through all this and like put the fake little thing on and the other wild thing, and I don't know if this is like a highlight.

Maybe this is like an overboard moment within the movie, but not not on the documentary, but the actual school shooting scenario that they go through.

It wasn't just like some random kid that showed up or like two kids that show up.

It was a squad of four adult men that each entered in like four different entrances, like fully tactical, like this was a Rainbow six, like a like Clancy novel style infiltration of the school.

And not only did they like kill a whole bunch of people that killed like thirty or forty people, they set a fire and people died in like a fire.

It was the worst case scenario on every single metric, and even the people involved they were interviewing them, they're like, yeah, I mean, I knew that they were going to be like recreating a school shooting, but I didn't know there was going to be like four people coming in methodically taking everyone out.

This was like a call of duty sort of mission combined with a school shooting.

And it did feel that everyone that comes in contact with this industry, whether it's the school that's paying for it or it's the guys that are going into it, like they have to hype this thing all the way out of proportion to the point where they're not even paying attention to these like eight year old girls that are crying and afraid to go to school because they think they're going to get it shot there.

So that it was an overboard moment in the people in the documentary, but maybe not the documentary itself.

I do think the way that it was edited though, it did seem like it was anti Second Amendment in a way because they again they cut over the guy that was making his case about why it's not the gun, it's the person behind the gun, and we have to figure out what's wrong with that person.

They fade out and they go to this girl and she's like, and adults, they just I don't know, they feel like they have some right to own a gun or something, and like rolls her eyes and she's like, and they think that's more important than me and every other child dying.

And it was kind of like like that was the director or the person editing this documentary.

It felt like that was their their statement, right.

That was them allowing the kid to overpower the adult that was mansplaining.

That was definitely my overboard moment is when she says that, because then it's like, okay, so you do not know what you're talking about.

She's like, yeah, they think they have like some rights or like that.

They're like should be able to like have a gun, when that's what's killing all of us, Like we need to get rid of them.

And I was like, whoa, this is like not what we need to be learning.

She's not passing up anything of it.

Because I was watching it with actually my girlfriend and her daughter at the time.

We were just watching it and we're like she her daughter's right there and she's like eleven, and I'm like, let me pause it real quick.

I'm saying, let me let you know why we need guns real quick, because if anybody ever tells you this, be like the government at times gets a little bit too big, and then if we don't have guns, they could we do whatever they want.

So this girl is not educated, Like I kind.

Of gave her a full description of why it's important for us as Americans.

I you have guns, Like I felt the need to do that because I'm like, when I saw this kid, I'm like, oh, this is like the average American kid, especially if they're laning left.

You know, their parents are like, hey, if they're.

In public school, you could just say if they're in public school, is what they're thinking.

Yeah, and they're thinking this not only that they're gonna get killed, but that we're selfish.

That anybody that thinks that they should be able to have a gun as a selfish person and the reason why they're school shooters.

That's what they alluded to.

And that is definitely an overboard moment.

As soon as she said that too, in the back of my mind, I just want to be like, tell me what' twelve times steven is right now?

And if you can't tell me what twelve times seven is, then I definitely don't want to hear your opinion on what you think about like the constitutional right.

And honestly too, her and her brother was doing the same thing, Like as she's saying this, he's doing this like wise beyond his year's routine, where it's like, Hugh, we're so yeo, we shouldn't even have to think about this, we're so yet look at her.

She's only like he's ten and she's nine.

Right, He's like, she's only nine.

Look at what she has to go through.

Oh my god.

He's like rubbing his temples like an old retired man, you know.

So I can tell that he's got these mannerisms for a certain upbringing.

So I don't fault these kids, but it is a very real glimpse into like what public school is churning out, and that these kids are more concerned about school shootings than they are about their multiplication tables.

It's the moment we're all be waiting for, sink or swim.

I mean this one, I feel like it was propaganda.

I went in with a chip on my shoulder already, and they kind of delivered on what I was expecting to come from this.

It's maybe anti gun a little bit anti Second Amendment.

Maybe it plays into the school shooting narrative, I still give it a swim man, And I surprised myself a little bit, But the reason was because my list of notes as I was watching this was like off the charts I've got.

We could have done like another hour on all the different notes that I had on this movie, and it kind of opened my eyes not just to like what the kids are going through that are going through this training, but like the whole industries and the whole pediatric like wound things and like all the other like products that kind of sprung out of this.

That was all brand new information to me, and it definitely changed the way that I kind of see this topic.

And it also this feels like a documented example of here is how chrisis acting is real.

Here's like a real version of crisis acting that's done by the state.

Here's how you would pull it off on an entire town.

The entire town is in on it.

And that if the right person took the right clip of that footage and posted it and it didn't like no one fact checked it, this could easily turn into oh my god, look at this footage.

Look at these four guys running through.

It would take a little bit of a delay for fact checkers to be like, wait a minute, this actually is from a twenty twenty one exercise, and YadA YadA, but you could see how this not only happens, but also, man, this is a documentation of how we're priming children to expect all of this, Like we're planting these anchors of here's an alarm, here's like if anything happens to school, if you hear a loud noise and you're in a school, you've probably been trained and primed to just imagine that was a gunshot.

I'm dying right, And that's it's wild because that was never really a thought that went through my head in school.

I never you hear something loud, you're like, oh, I bet someone just dropped the book for me.

Going in, I thought I was gonna sink it all the way.

I thought this ship was gonna go way down.

Because I also came in biased.

I also was like, here we go.

It's all this anti Second Amendment stuff, anti gun stuff, the typical stuff whatch you do get in this film?

And again I don't know how much they intended to or not, but what really opened my eyes is seeing this industry that I had no idea that was right under my nose this whole time and I've never even thought about it, and I was like, wow, this is incredible.

Like I never even knew about this, and I try to stay up to date on stuff.

I didn't even realize how much the government spent in this, the whole Edge Homeland Security game.

I was like, this is crazy, man, They're literally dumping money into this.

And I was like, this pushes me more into the fact of let me research more about mkultra.

Let me research more about SSSRIS and depression and anxiety and what's really going on because these school shootings aren't going anywhere.

That's what this is telling me.

This is telling me that this is a fear that they're going to keep pushing and that they're gonna keep the youth attached by this is like they're you know, twenty twenty, but times a million.

This is more than just the Columbine stuff, because I think the Columbine stuff would have made me realize watching this film kind of got washed away with nine to eleven, and then that's why the Sandy Hook stuff kind of took format and goes, hey, here's the new protocol, and it really wants me to get involved in some of this FBI discord stuff and mind control because I'm like, this is not going anywhere, and it makes me want to dive deeper.

So that's why I give it a swim.

It makes me want to dive deeper on these school shooting events because I think we're going to see more of them.

Yeah, I'm surprised, both of us.

I think we're both surprised.

We both gave this one a swim, even though we went in with major bias and it kind of was the thing that we were expecting it to be.

But it gave such a great insight in the fact that even word debate, like I don't know, like what was the people made its documentary, what was their actual viewpoint?

I like that.

I am not one hundred percent certain.

I feel like they were leaning one way, but it wasn't like one hundred percent that way, and that alone makes me feel like it was it was masterfully done at least like I couldn't detect it.

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