well, hey, thank you, respecting perspectives audience for joining us today, and I have a super special guest here, a woman of many shoes.

She is a yoga instructor, a singer, a model so many different things that she's going to be able to talk about today.

And I have Miss Catriella here.

Hello, thanks for having me.

Yeah, thank you for joining me.

You know all those different shoes that I just mentioned there.

Tell me, do you have a favorite of any of those?

Oh, I couldn't possibly pick my favorite shoes.

You're too funny.

I think singing has always been like I was told my first sentence I sang, so I would say singing is like near and dear to me, but all of it I love you.

Know everything I've come to find in this life.

Oh, that's awesome.

Let's see here what was out of all those shoes there, what was the first?

So you said you sang your first sentence.

That's really happy birthday, yeah Well, don't judge me for my choice of songs, but you know and wait a second.

Do you remember that yourself?

Or yeah, okay so it was.

It was what I was told okay, who knows?

oh right right maybe that was inspiration too no that's really cool actually.

Um, when, um, when I was younger, I used to play uh, the, the violin, and uh.

That's kind of one of my first memories of uh music itself, so I can relate to that Um that's cool, the violin.

Yeah, yeah.

I can make one pretty note on it.

One time in my life and I was so proud of myself.

I was like she told me she's like that didn't sound bad.

I was like You're like I might have a future in this.

What was that?

Just like a friend's violin or something.

Yeah, we were just jamming, yeah.

Yeah, so cool, isn't it cool?

How, like any instrument, like, even if you don't know how to play it, you can still pick it up and try Of course.

Right To try everything, yeah you need to Gosh, okay.

So let's talk a little bit about when you were younger and kind of, maybe, where you grew up and what influenced some of the yoga and singing and things like that, if you could.

Yeah, I grew up in the DMV, so Maryland, okay.

And growing up, my mom signed me up for yoga when I was seven, so that was the first time I ever heard of yoga.

I feel like it wasn't as popular.

Now it's super popular but it was Iyengar yoga, which was really fun for a kid, because I just remember they had these boards on the wall with rope and you could hang on them and I was a monkey bar kid so I was like I'm super down with that Monkey bar kid, monkey bar kid.

I just lived there, so I was like okay, cool, I can hang on the walls here.

So that was my first experience with yoga.

And then my mom became a yoga instructor.

I think she was more of like a kid's yoga instructor, but, um, so she worked at the studio and then she got me into that studio and I got, uh, you know, basically private lessons, cause it was such a small studio.

It was like me and like one other kid oh that's so cool, yeah, and it wasn't supposed to be private.

It just turned out to be like that.

I had these two really great teachers.

I do not remember the guy's name I feel so bad but I do remember the girl's name because I thought she was really pretty.

Her name was Angela.

Shout out to Miss Angela.

She was so pretty.

She taught me all the poses.

We did handstands and it's so easy when you're a kid to do a handstand, by the way.

That was a really cool experience.

I started like working at birthday parties at that studio, um.

It eventually shut down, um, but I think it really kind of inspired me to be like I want to.

I want to be like angela one day you know, I want to teach yoga.

You had something to look.

You know you were like that.

Yeah, a role model possibly.

A role model?

Yeah, I would say.

Yeah, cool, let's see here.

Yeah, let's kind of stick with yoga.

Give me a little bit about maybe some of the major things that you learned throughout yoga itself, and maybe some advice to some people out there who are like thinking about doing it but like not sure.

Yeah, hit me with that.

Um, I think a big misconception about yoga is that you have to be flexible and you have to be strong and you have to look fit.

That's you can blame like yoga magazine for that.

No offense to yoga magazine, I mean nothing wrong with that either.

By the way because, like no shaming of any of that, but but um, yoga is really just like your own experience.

It's about adjusting to your body, to your emotions, to your thoughts, and not the other way around yeah, you know, I could see that.

Um, so you mean also like I guess it doesn't matter what like body size you have.

You know, I think it's never too late to stretch, right.

Yeah, it's never too late to stretch or to start meditating or any of that, you know.

Yeah.

And again, it's like your own experience is exactly how it's supposed to be, because yoga is only about your experience, it's not about what it looks like for me or what it looks like for you.

Yeah, you know, I recently have been I would say it's been like two years and I have been about 10, 15 minutes in the morning I will do some yoga, do some particular poses I can't name them, unfortunately, but it'll be great in the morning It'll really help me kind of just like invigorate everything.

And then there's times where, like, I'll try something a little bit different, but I really do feel like it stimulates everything and it kind of gets me, you know, moving, gets my heart going a little bit, you know, and uh, I really have found a, uh, a new way to kind of connect with myself.

You know, um, you, you mentioned meditation too.

You know, how do you think like yoga and meditation kind of go together?

Well.

So what I was taught but there's many different perspectives is the movements, like the sole purpose of them were really to get you in a place of stillness.

So I don't know if you're into somatics or any of that kind of stuff, for you know you've got to shake it out, move it out and then you can go inwards.

So the poses are a really great way to a strength in the body, cause I mean, yogis would do like really intense breath practices that like I've never attempted, you know um, and just like really intense things, and so they had to have strong bodies and in general, your body should be strong.

It's ideal, obviously but also like moving through emotions stuck in the body, moving through thoughts that are stuck in the body.

We don't realize how connected our mind and our body is in that way, but, for example, in Western psychology they've now shown that the body keeps the score.

Have you heard of that?

No.

Have you heard of that?

So it's like most of your traumas are stored in your body, not your mind, your mind.

There's only so much you can mind to get out of that.

But if you move your body, that's how you can really move through things.

So I think yoga kind of knew that and so I feel like it's so connected Move the body, get connected to your body.

That is a meditation, being with or moving meditation, but a meditation.

And then if you really want to sit in stillness in a still meditation, it's just that much easier to be with yourself because you've acquainted yourself.

You've acquainted yourself with every muscle, as you've known.

If you're doing yoga, it's like every single thing is so adjusted, you know, and then you've also again, like you've allowed energy, emotion to move out of you as well through those movements.

So yeah, wow, I love that and so wait.

So you mean to tell me that there's trauma like hidden in, like my bicep somewhere, like is it muscle or like what do you?

think it really depends on the person.

Like dig a little bit into that Cause.

I think that's a really great point and I think it can also help people who maybe are struggling with some like mental, you know health issues that maybe it's not all you know stuck up there.

No, totally not.

That they have opportunities to.

You know, deal with certain things and don't have to.

You know it doesn't have to be like a one track mind.

Yeah, because so like I mean, I was even taught this before I studied somatics, where we would be teaching hip openers and we'd be warned by our trainers like hey, just so you know, like hip openers move a lot of like sadness and emotion in general.

So be aware of that when you're cueing them, like, help them breathe through it.

You know?

So even yeah, just like subtle things in different body parts can hold different things.

Yeah, you know.

Do you, can you give me a possible like experience where you felt that, yeah, so I let me take a sip of water.

Yeah, of course, of course.

I think we'll move Cheers to that.

To your part.

Yes, cheers, cheers.

We'll both do that.

Cheers to that dear part.

So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get into too many details but yeah, um, about five years ago, I was dealing with some really um, tough health issues and also grief and among other things like that, and during that time, like I had seen like every doctor you could see for these things and no one had helped me, and my friend actually discovered somatic movement healing and it's really like you're healing through dance and song.

Love that.

And it's kind of amazing and I started doing these practices and among my own, like I would do the guided practices and just like, turn on music and do my own, yeah, and I started to feel better.

Like instantly.

Yeah, like like I started noticing a difference immediately and then, within about a month of doing it, a bunch of my health things resolved.

Really yeah about a month of doing it a bunch of my health things resolved, really, yeah, and a bunch of my, and I think a lot of it has to do with the stress.

You know like, if you're stressed, if you're holding in a lot of intense emotion in your body, your body cannot heal from things that it normally can heal from, you know, those just get stagnant.

But if you let go of that and you start, you know, lowering your cortisol levels, you getting into a place of more peace, then your body can, you know, rest and digest, repair.

Um, and so that was, I think, a big, a big thing for me.

Um, you know, the practices can be anything you want them to be, but they can also be like guided Um, there's different movements that we as humans have patterns of doing.

So, like anger will typically, like you know, kind of do punching motions right right um disgust.

Pushing, spitting, gagging I'm serious like those are very for sure like, so, like those things can come up bodily functions right, um, and, and you can even like kind of bring that about if you're trying to move through it, like I was trying to move through disgust and like.

So I was like you know what?

I'm going to just start spitting.

Oh shoot, there you go and so I was like you know, I've done.

That I mean alone, but I've done that, of course.

But then you know, joy, I mean, there's all these different.

Smiling and laughing different smiling and laughing, right, yeah, and like and just kind of allowing that to be, I think like as children we were so good at that.

Yeah, we were so good at like expressing and letting go yes which you know.

There's a reason.

We were taught not to like have a tantrum, you know.

But we could have been taught to like okay, like, learn some breath techniques, go to your car, go to your room and let that out physically so you don't hold it yeah, and and it doesn't have to be like directed towards anyone you know or any, of course thing, I think that's the important thing is, like you know, making sure that you're doing that, uh, not like in a controlled setting, but like like you know, you, I think it has a lot to do with, like the intention of it, right, and like, maybe, like in your mind it really made me think about what you were talking about and with with health problems, and I feel like sometimes we in our mind, like we get so like anxious, you know about like a specific thing and we focus on that, that one thing that, like, we're not able to, I mean, think about, like, if you're staring at one specific point, like you know, you're not able to look around and see the other things that are happening.

You know yeah that they can do if they feel like they're, is there like a first step that they can do to maybe, like you know, practice something like this, do you think?

I mean, there's definitely amazing teachers that I do recommend, but there's, you know.

I will send you the name of the book and you can put it in the description yeah, we can put it in.

There's a great book about this and they talk about the five rhythms of our body oh wow, and they kind of teach the basics of it in that book.

Um, but also, like you have feet that can move, walk around your space yeah you know you have arms, maybe give them a little shake yeah um your breath.

Great place to start you know, that's so important and then doing like doing guided movements can really help, like doing like yoga, something like that.

Before you can maybe enter that more free movement space could maybe be good for certain people as well.

To give yourself structure first yeah, I could see that.

I could see maybe some people kind of like going right into something like that, maybe like I don't know, like, uh, you know tearing or like hurting something like oh no, so that was advanced yeah yeah, yeah, okay, gotcha yeah, like the stuff that I did.

I mean, I am already a dancer, like I already dance.

I think for me it was really easy to fall into this.

I was like you know what?

this is awesome yeah, you just kind of just like maybe like incorporated two birds with one stone there, right.

Yeah, I think.

The big difference, though, is dance.

Sorry, I'm cold.

Can I get my jacket?

Yeah, of course, here I'll get it for you yeah.

So you were talking about mixing, dancing and yoga, right?

Yes, I am in my jacket now everyone I got cold jacket, now everyone I got cold, so now I have a cloak.

Yeah, so, oh, yeah.

So dance a lot of times is taught in a very structured way.

Okay.

Flow dance, which is what I do now, very not structured.

Okay To a degree.

I mean there's structure within it, but it's also like you get that freedom.

Okay, Embodiment's all like anti-structure.

It's like do your thing, let it flow.

If you need some structure, like a guide can kind of bring you back to center.

Like an actual person yeah, like like a person or recording, you know whatever okay um, or if you just kind of understand the knowledge of it, you can check with yourself while you're doing it, gotcha um, but I feel like the nice thing about it is that there isn't like a right or a wrong.

It just teaches you to follow your body.

Yeah, you know.

Yeah, love that.

Tell me a little bit more about dance and how dance has influenced you since you were younger, because the one reason why I want you to talk about this is because when we were at the most recent not this past one, but before the Rhythm Royale that you know, matthew Groob, the producer here, puts on you were not only singing but you were dancing as well, like together, and you just seemed like you were so free and like you just didn't.

Just seemed like you were so free and like you just didn't have anything on your mind and I was like man, I was like I could take a note from from her book, you know, and I did, you know, I kind of like.

After that, when I sang, I was just kind of a little bit more like, let's see here, you know limber and I was able to move around, so it was cool.

Oh good, I'm so glad, that helped.

Yeah, it did 100% and I think other people like learned from it as well.

Like I was even talking to someone else and they were like I love how she's just like so free up there, just like moving around.

You don't see people like mix the mediums, you know.

Oh, I see.

Yeah, yeah, they're either just like they're singing and they're kind of just like really rigid, you know, and like there's some people who, like you, can tell that are like man, like I wish that person would like just be a little bit more free with themselves, cause then you could tell that like they could even express themselves, you know, a little more.

So, so dance.

Where did this all come from, um?

honestly so dance.

Where did this all come from?

Honestly, so I did musical theater growing up and then I stopped around high school, but I feel like that gave me a really good background because I learned a lot of different types of dance Performing you just get more comfortable with, but then I kind of I feel like I lost touch with it for a little bit, to be honest, like I think I got more rigid because you start to get taught like if you've ever been in like chorus or anything like that you know they kind of are like.

You need to like stand still.

Oh, dude, I do remember that, the way that they did teach you about yeah, the fact that like yeah and that's I'm curious as to why they would do that.

Honestly, I have no idea Like it baffles me.

Yeah, it doesn't make too much sense.

I mean to each their own, but I don't think a lot of people resonate with that anymore.

Yeah so you know, it's maybe a little bit dated.

Okay, makes sense.

But yeah, I think I kind of lost touch with it a little bit and I got more stiff and, like you know, like certain people, I think people can be haters sometimes and just like make fun of people just because they want something they have or they feel bad about themselves.

So you know, I had some people like make fun of me on stage being a certain way, and then I felt really stiff about it.

After it made me really stiff.

Um, I wouldn't say very stiff, but stiffer Like about it.

After it made me really stiff.

Okay, um, I I wouldn't say very stiff, but stiffer like I would never do what I did here when I was in high school, like I would have been so nervous to do that right um, I just hope that that can help people kind of if they've been there it's like, yeah, you know, like that really sucks when that happens, um.

But then, like I, you know, I got a little older and I joined the burn community and I was like these people rock, like you know what I mean like they're all just like completely, um, just like artsy weirdos and like they do not care how they look, they do not judge each other.

In fact, they encourage each other to act and be as silly as they want yeah, love that, embrace the weirdness yeah.

So then I was like wait, this is like what I've always been, but I've been hiding it and and there's fire oh yeah, that added.

That came later but but yeah, that the fire was also cool to see them doing that.

At the time I didn't dance with fire, I was just like wow, that's so cool, but um yeah, so that was really inspiring to me.

And then I just like one night, just at a burn, just started dancing like I do and just being wild and people were like that was awesome and I was like I didn't even know anyone was watching.

Was there anything specifically that inspired you to do that?

Yes, was there Okay.

Okay, we don't have to discuss it here, but no it's good to know that there was, you know, um, a straw that broke the camel's back that you know kind of inspired you to, to make a change.

So hopefully you know other people listening know that, like you know, at any moment there can be one small thing or one large thing that helps them kind of move in a direction that maybe they've been wanting to move in, that they didn't even know.

Absolutely yeah.

And then after that, yeah, like I just feel like my, I think it was like it wasn't just like this immediate thing, but it just started to like I just progressively got more confident.

And then I would say honestly, my biggest peak of it was when I started doing somatics to heal myself.

That was when I really was like I don't care about anything anymore, like I'm just going to like be myself.

Oh, I love that.

You know it was like I've.

I'm like, I've felt and seen enough, I'm good.

Let's see here, gosh.

Okay, so we've talked about dancing, we talked about yoga.

Tell me a little bit about uh your singing, uh background and where that comes from, and uh, yeah where that comes from.

Yeah, um, I like I said I always was singing.

I just always loved singing, um, but uh, I got my first voice lessons when I was 14.

Okay, and I did that throughout most of high school and then afterwards I continued and you know, eventually I found this vocal coach who did I think it's called vocal pedagogy.

Oh cool.

And she was a big deal for me because it wasn't just the standard classical techniques that they teach.

It was practical for a pop singer Okay, I say pop as in anything that's not classical Gotcha and she helped me to really find the strength in my voice, not the upper register, but just in general.

Okay gotcha, so that I feel like and a lot of that has to do with just believing in yourself.

I noticed it was like, yeah, there was techniques, but a lot of it was like trust that you can do this, you know.

Trust that your voice can do that.

What's holding you back more than anything is your tension.

Your fear is holding your voice back.

You know what?

It's funny that you say that I've recently, within the past few years, have been able to learn about the tension that we're holding inside here through my vocal coach, chris Alene.

And you know what she did?

She actually went under like MRI machines and she studies music through science.

Oh, cool, yeah, yeah, I think you would really appreciate her teachings.

And so she went under an MRI machine and a CAT scan machine, like as she was singing, and then also through like when you know, most of like the tenseness occurs in people and like scientifically it shows you that.

But the way that you said it, though, like the fear kind of like the, I didn't really.

If they, you know, believe in themselves and trusted in themselves, and I think it also has to do with like not worrying if other people are judging them, you know, do you feel like?

I feel like how do you feel like judgments of people, kind of?

You know why do you think that holds people back so much?

Survival.

It's an ancient instinct, Like if the tribe rejected you, then you would die.

I'm serious.

Right.

Like, so you genuinely think, like primally, it's like I'm going to die.

You're not going to, though, so that can help to know that too.

To be like, hey, like I'm afraid right now, but it's there's not an actual threat, I feel like.

The other thing is like when I noticed that I can't really stop my fear per se, but just like be with it.

Yeah.

Just like be okay with it and like the more you just kind of are with it, the more you can like see through it, you know.

Be one with your fear, Gosh.

How can you?

I think it would be good to kind of dig into that for a second.

When, say, someone is thinking about being judged or thinking about someone else saying something negative about them, what do you think they can think inside?

What do you think they can think in order to know that it's okay?

Do you have any advice for that?

I mean?

I mean, what's the?

thought process right.

Sorry, say it one more time.

I just want to make sure I'm understanding.

Say someone is having a hard time with feeling judged or that the people around them maybe are being judgmental, what do you think they either like a mantra or something that maybe they can tell themselves that will help them kind of be loose a little bit and to really, because you're free, you really seem like you have a lot of control over your mind, body and your spirit.

How can you just maybe like one or two ways to advise people to be able to do the same?

It's going to seem kind of counterintuitive, but it's almost like knowing that you don't have control over your mind, but that your mind isn't you.

So it's like starting to be more of a witness and less of a player in the game, Like let the mind kind of talk.

Talk, but understand that you're more than just your mind yeah you know and it's actually a yogic mantra is I'm not my body, I'm not even my mind.

I am atman, which means I am like the universal consciousness.

I'm so much more than just this you know and remembering that, and even like remembering that about the people who are making you feel bad yeah can help.

And that doesn't mean you have to forgive them because, like, when you're mad, just let yourself feel.

It is how I see it, like, don't be like, I love everyone.

That doesn't work.

It just doesn't like you're just gonna right you're just gonna be repressing that and you're just gonna it's gonna come out sideways yeah, but but just understanding.

That can help too yeah, I feel like and and yeah, just kind of being with yourself and the somatics can really help there too.

Love that Um to the somatics.

What?

What do you think Is there?

Maybe like an outlet that you can recommend for people to find somatics?

Or maybe like like playlists on, like Apple or something?

How can they, how can people find something like that?

Um, I can also like put some give you some people, but there's a really wonderful teacher named Maya Knight.

She has some free content on her Instagram, on her website, and she's the person who I was following initially and I highly recommend her work Awesome.

She's really great.

Yeah, yeah, we'll include that in the link below.

Let's see here.

Okay, so yeah, we've talked about let's.

Let's talk a little bit more about your.

How many different vocal instructor instructors have you had in the past?

uh, four, three, something like that okay, and what do you feel like?

Four, sorry, did you have you learned something?

Did they all seem to kind of like teach the same thing, or just like not like to a degree that maybe you were like needed to learn?

Or like you know?

Do you feel like you could have learned the same amount of information from you know one person if you would have maybe stuck with them for like that longevity of time?

Or do you feel like different vocal teachers have like different things to offer?

yeah, for me I think having different ones was really important.

Um, I think the initial like classical training can really help with just like getting involved with your breath and like learning the basic techniques.

I think eventually, like when I progressed, it kind of got to a point where I was like okay, like, but how do I apply this to pop music, you know?

And so having that teacher who really specialized in that was really great, yeah, you know.

Sounds like, sounds like it would be, and I'm sure like, yeah, depending on what that instructor has learned, you know that's going to be the thing that they maybe teach you about, or the things that they maybe will dig into.

You know, let's see here.

What about you do some modeling as well?

Yeah, Tell me a little bit about how that started and kind of where you, what direction you took that since you started.

Yeah, how did I start?

So it was kind of an accident.

I was getting hit up by photographers and my friend, as a joke, was like wouldn't it be funny if you like?

Made a modeling page and just like saw if that worked out.

I was like, oh yeah, I'm so short, though I doubt it.

And I discovered, um, and I think there's a big misconception about what modeling is in like that world and there is many different genres, um, and so I am a fine art or art model oh cool.

Um, specifically, I mean I do other genres, but primarily you would categorize me as an art model, and that doesn't just mean for painters.

That means like the fine arts, the arts in general, gotcha.

So, like my photos are like the ones that you would see in like galleries, museums, versus like a runway models.

You know she's gonna rock the one, the wow walk the runway words, got words I'm cold words are not happening, words are not wording, um, you know so, so anyway.

So that was really cool to even discover that, because, um, like as a kid, I always would watch, like America's next top model and stuff and I was like oh, that looks like such a fun way to express yourself, but I'll never be able to do it.

I'm sure there's, there's, there's that, that, that thought, you know, in the back of your mind, what are some of the other ways or what?

are some of the other forms of modeling other than fine art.

There's glamour modeling which would be more like Playboy style Gotcha.

There is catalog modeling, commercial modeling.

There's so many different things you could model for commercials for pharmaceutical companies.

I mean, yeah, that's commercial modeling.

There's so many different things, gotcha, you know, like you could model for commercials for pharmaceutical company.

I mean yeah, that's commercial modeling, but that's like I mean, I know of models who plan to model for their whole life and that's their plan is to start doing pharmaceutical modeling, you know, for hemorrhoid creams and stuff, right to each her own right.

Well, I think the the, I think the fact that there are so many different worlds upon worlds out there, and I think even as far as a young woman who's out there who sees particular modeling opportunities, is there anything that like let's see here, is there anything that you saw when you were younger that inspired you to to become a model?

Was there anything that, like, you know any like artists or let's see here, not like, I guess, like painters, but like maybe artists that like influenced you when you were younger, like with either modeling or just influenced you in general?

yeah, I mean honestly.

So I was obsessed with nude art, like I just thought it was so cool, and so I had like a tumblr and I would like look at and like repost photos and just like I don't even know who these photographers were honestly Like.

I just loved it.

I remember I have an aunt and uncle in California so they're like, they were like very progressive and like her sister, you know, was Tammy Stronach, who is the Neverending Story princess and she's an amazing.

She doesn't really act anymore but she does like, just like, beautiful dance in New.

York.

City, and so I saw this photo on their wall of her and she's naked dancing with this male dancer and it's I mean, it's a beautiful photo Beautiful.

She's a amazing dancer and I was like a kid and I was like, why is Tammy naked?

Right, I'm sure that thought's going to cross your mind.

Yeah, I was like what's this?

And I liked it, though.

And she was like, oh, that's my sister, she's dancing here.

And I was like, oh, she's naked.

And she's like, yeah, that's art, it's nude art.

Right.

And I think it's a beautiful photo, so that's why it's on my wall.

Yeah, love that and that kind of stuck with me where I was, like you know, like I think just hearing that voice, where it's like she recognized that as art, like I love that form of art, so that was one of the main arts I I really loved initially was just like figure work, um creating like raw energy from the body, just like with nothing else, um, nothing else there intervening on it.

I just think there's a lot to it, there's a lot that can be expressed and there's like a vulnerability to it that you can't really emulate with anything else.

I feel like you have to be.

You have to think a little bit deeper in order to understand it.

Yeah.

Right, because I mean, let me ask you this, was the photo black and white?

Understand it?

Yeah, right, because I mean, let me ask you this, was the photo black and white?

Yeah, yeah.

So I feel like like, okay, so there's not as much color involved, right.

And then there's not as much like, I mean, clothing.

We use clothing as like accentuation, you know, and colors themselves and like different patterns, so you don't have any of that to kind of like influence you.

So instead, it's really just I think it has a lot to do with maybe like the setting that they're in to write.

Was it where they?

Was it also set in like front of like a of a psych wall, like a cyclorama wall, where it's like no shadows or anything like that yeah, it's just like dark and yeah very high contrast lighting and yeah, yeah I could see that.

Um.

So yeah, I do feel like you have to have like a certain taste for for something like that yeah, and and also like.

I mean I love art in nature, like, and maybe in nature you will wear something you might wear like a white gown yeah or like fabric or something yeah but you notice, like not much, you don't need much yeah, it's nature like we are nature oh right, we are nature love that, and then, when you're in, it's just kind of like everything goes together

yeah, I love that.

I really want to incorporate more of that with my music.

And I had, like, this dream one night where there was, like this model and she was, she was, she was naked and um and like, but like there was this feeling that I had and like I wasn't even in it, it was just my music and her.

And I woke up the next morning and I had this feeling that I was like man, this is something, this is something that can really help me express my music in a different way.

Unfortunately, I didn't act on it immediately, you know.

So the feeling itself and the inspiration behind it kind of, you know, became lackluster, but that, you know, the idea still exists in my mind and you know, I really want to incorporate and, you know, granted, she doesn't have to be naked, but at the same time, like I really do feel like incorporating like a female body into, like my music and like the way that it is perceived, I think can really be, you know, helpful in me experiencing and trying new mediums and ways of reaching new people.

So I think you're going to inspire that out of me.

Yeah, you should play with it, I mean because it seems so outlandish, but then in action it's actually a really common form of art and a lot of people do it and a lot of people love it.

Yeah, for sure.

Let's see here who were some of the.

I know you were speaking about um when we had that conversation on the phone.

You were speaking about um, an artist that really inspired you.

Um, that was more uh, was.

I don't know if it was poetry or what do you have um just like like film um and also just like all of his, like his tarot book and a lot of his work, uh, alejandro jodorowsky yeah, tell me a little bit about him and what inspired you.

Uh, you know, oh, yeah, water yep water time it's important to stay hydrated let's do it okay, h2o, that's a huge bottle like I know the thing is big as you it's like really excessive.

I wasn't thinking about it when it happened.

Yeah right, you're like I need water for for my conversation you have enough, though do we have plenty?

um.

So, yeah, um, I like love his movies um the the holy mountains, like maybe the most famous one.

I don't know if you've seen it I haven't, but I'll look into it.

Yeah um and his his movies.

Like he bases a lot of his concepts off of the tarot okay um.

So if you like study his book at all, or even like know a little bit about tarot, you can kind of see it like intertwine in his movies, which is really cool tell people what is tarot.

For people who don't know what the tarot is, I know right we have to kind of describe tarot.

Sometimes you have to pretend like people don't you know understand everything that we're saying?

I think right, so yeah, I'm like trying to think of, um, I mean, in a way like tarot isn't like a lot of people see it as like future telling, but it's more so like looking into your psyche, and it was like the original way of doing that, like they would use these cards in order to tap into different parts of our psyche.

And so Alejandro Jodorowsky is so interesting because he and I do not remember the name of the guy he did it with, which is terrible, because I should, but I will, you'll find out, I'll find out, It'll come back to me.

I'm not great with names, but they spent like a lot of their life's work on recreating the Tarot de Marseille, which was one of the most ancient tarot decks, and so they basically went around the world finding the original art.

Um, like the original art, they went like to museums, I mean like everywhere, I mean you know, and all hondra jodorowsky's from, uh, latin america, but then he was in france when he was doing this project and they still continue to travel.

I mean, it's just crazy yeah, I'm sure they had to to find some of these things, yeah, and so they.

They managed to do it, though.

Oh wow, so you can buy it.

It's the Terra de Marseille, the Cameroon edition.

Oh cool.

And I have it.

Yeah, it's like really cool.

Nice, nice.

But if you look at these cards, you really do.

It invokes part of your consciousness that I can't even really explain.

You just kind of have to look at the cards yourself.

Love that and you mean like invoke, like it invokes, like let's see here, what does it invoke?

What do you mean by that?

Like different archetypes within a soul.

Oh, I love that Good way of describing it.

And what I find really interesting about this deck is and maybe this is getting into too many details but the minor arcana, which is like there's like the major one, which is like the story is like the fool goes on a journey to see the world and it's like you know the main cards that people might know about.

But then there's the minor ones, which is like the eight of cups, it's like all the the numbers okay you know um all of those ones.

they're very abstract, like they're not like a picture of a guy or anything.

They're all like coins and there's like flowers drawn around them in different ways.

Okay.

It's so abstract that it really gets you thinking on a much deeper level.

I love that there isn't anyone else's consciousness that's been projected on it, and that's kind of what this deck represented was like we're not projecting our own views, my own experience of my psyche, onto this deck.

This deck allows you to connect to your own psyche and project your own experiences into this deck for yourself.

Let me ask you do you feel like in the world that we live in?

Do you feel like we are projected upon with either ideas or thoughts or ways of thinking?

Of course I mean social media is the most perfect example of that.

I actually recently had a realization about this.

My friend actually, I'm very grateful for her for bringing this up.

Friend, actually, I'm very grateful for her for bringing this up.

Um, there's like this perfectionism that I feel, like so many of us have that we don't even realize we have, and like for me it was manifesting in like uh, like health and like wellness and stuff, where I'm like I have to go to bed at this time and I have to do this and I have to eat, like that, and I and I was like going, I was like this is insane, like this is not fun, like this is not okay and I was talking to her about some like anxieties I was having and she was like you know, social media is really like subtly projected all these ideas onto us of perfectionism yeah and, like you know, we're human, you know, and and a lot of these people are just trying to sell you a product anyway.

Yeah, like most of people, are just trying to sell you a product, anyway.

Yeah, you're right, most of these, people are trying to sell you a product or their program or their coaching.

There's nothing wrong with that, but you have to be aware that that's what's happening.

Yeah, that subconsciously you have to understand.

What do you think that people are using it for?

Do you feel like people are using it for?

Do you feel like people are using it properly?

Like how many of the percentage of people?

Do you really feel like understand that that's even happening?

You know I can't tell you that, but I do think a lot of us aren't aware of it yeah.

I mean my guess would be, a lot of us aren't aware of it.

I mean there's such an uptick in like plastic surgeries and just like insecurities and stuff.

I think that's really big in our culture right now.

Yeah, you're right about that.

Let's see here.

We kind of dug into a few different things.

Here Is there, let's see here.

I think we were talking about gosh.

I know we were talking about some of the inspiration that you have and had, but tell me a little bit more about what you have for the future.

You were talking about an EP that you're coming out with sometime soon.

Yeah, I'm recording an EP, not an album.

Okay, an.

EP with a live band.

So it's just.

I'm really excited because I just feel like that's so.

The vibe that I've been missing is just having that like the real musician, full effect, yeah, so I'm really excited for that.

So what?

You have a drummer, a bassist, a guitar player.

And then I'll play keys sometimes.

Oh cool, Not for all the songs, but for most, and then I'll play keys sometimes oh cool.

Not for all the songs, but for most of them.

I'll be on keys.

Okay, nice, All right, so wait the piano.

How long have you been playing Since?

I was a kid.

I wouldn't say I'm good, but I've been writing songs since I was a kid, so I would say my skill as a songwriter is higher than my skills on the piano Okay, gotcha than my skills on the piano okay.

But like I, I play the piano.

I just, um, I wouldn't like.

There's some people I know that are just like insanely good keyboardists, yeah, and I think I'm like really good, but I'm not like I.

I haven't become like the next beethoven yeah, in that department but um don't you love musicians talking bad about ourselves right, um, I guess there's always another musician that's better than you out there, see, see, there's an insecurity.

That came out Right.

Well, I'm here to help you through it, okay, so let's see here.

There was something else I wanted to ask you.

Oh, when it comes to songwriting, how often do you find yourself writing music?

You know I sometimes will have waves where I don't write as much.

Okay, like I'll have maybe a couple weeks where I'm just not super into it and then it comes back and I think that's there's like a wave with it yeah, nice with my sound healing.

I feel like it's like a more consistent flow, though, because it's not.

There's like no lyrics that are like pressurized.

I'm not writing a whole story for you.

I'm writing more of an expressive story, which is almost more feminine.

I guess the more feminine side of music.

So that's been really fun because I just feel so prolific.

It's like I make something and it's there.

Tell us a little bit about that page and what it is and how people can find it.

I'll definitely be putting a link underneath here, but tell me who was it with?

Austin Litz.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, it's called Cutriella and Litz.

Yes, yeah.

And wait a second, where did this idea?

Just so you know I am a subscribing member, just so you know.

I found her page and found their page and I was extremely inspired by it and like they had released something that day, you know, that just shows you like the time, attention and creativity that they are putting into it.

But tell me, where did that idea come from?

And you know, where have you taken it since then, since the beginning?

Yeah, I.

You know I've wanted to do sound healing for so long, I just didn't know how.

And wait.

What is sound healing?

Describe sound healing to someone.

You know it's.

It's sort of like intentional frequency therapy is how I would say I would describe it.

But I mean, sound therapy, in my opinion, is also like, whatever it is for you, you know, like if you find it healing to listen to you know heavy metal then, like, I think that's sound therapy, but that's a good point.

Certain frequencies and intentionality to what we're doing, um, even certain vowels, sometimes certain um sounds, you know, that are specific to healing, maybe different chakras, different centers of the body, um, different organs.

Even so, um yeah, it can go pretty deep it.

It just depends on, I guess, the individual though, and like what they resonate with.

And so when, when you know, before you make a video, do you have these vowels and these things kind of you know, set to like what you're?

How much planning and preparation, if you don't mind me asking, go into something like that, Because it's this, Because it seems like a lot, you know?

You know it is, but it also isn't.

It is like we are very intentional with what we do but at the same time, there's this flow element to it where you're like you know what.

What's going to be the most resonant is if we're in the right vibe.

So if you overthink it, it's just going to be stiff.

Yeah.

You know, and I've made videos where I was definitely like really overthinking it and I'm like those ones didn't do so well.

Gotcha.

You know, it's so interesting how that works.

It's like they can just feel that.

Yeah.

So it's like, yes, like there's a lot that we put into this, like a lot we put a lot of hard work into it.

Of course.

But at the same is actually the vibes.

Yeah.

Like in really just wanting to resonate that healing frequency with others and connect to them in that way.

Yeah, I can also.

And what about you?

Like, what do you feel?

Like you get out of it?

I just love it, I just it's great.

Yeah, I mean I can see it, though I can tell that, the way that you present yourself, I feel like you probably actually get the most out of what you're delivering to these people and the audience, because you are actually the one who is 100% centered with what you're delivering, and I can really tell that your emotion is in like every single syllable, and I can tell it's funny to like kind of like hear you and see how small you are and then like kind of like hear some of the sounds that you're able to create.

You know what about, like post-production?

Is there any post-production that is involved with it?

Yeah, you have to edit the video, the sound design and all of that.

So yeah there's definitely post-production.

That's a big thing, and are you involved in the sound design as well?

Do you sit with Austin and kind of come up with that as well?

I mean, he is the audio engineer, for sure, but we will listen together and kind of like bounce off each other and yeah, um, but yeah, he's definitely, I would say like really, really good at audio engineering.

It's like one of his passions in life and he loves it.

So I mean, I I think that really helps too.

Is that he really loves that part?

Yeah, you know, you can tell yeah and you can hear it.

So that's really cool.

Um, let's see here I think we went over.

You know a lot of good, good stuff here.

Um, is there anything that maybe we didn't mention that?

Um, you wanted to either talk about that you have going on or that you've either done, are doing now or have in the future that you want to bring some light to.

I mean, I'm still doing my sound healing channel.

I would love it if you guys checked it out.

Awesome, We've got a lot of great content coming up.

I mean, we film.

We try to have two videos a week.

Yeah.

So we're really just.

We try to keep it going so that people can have that with them every week.

This is not like an official concept, but I do want to start talking more on that channel.

So that's up in the air, but that's something that I think would be really cool to do.

Just kind of like guiding people.

Yeah, like guided meditations, maybe even just like bringing in some various insights throughout the month.

Yeah, like, yeah Like guided meditations, maybe even just like bringing in some various insights throughout the month.

Um, so that would be.

I think that's something I really want to start doing is bringing my voice in other ways there as well.

Love that.

Yeah, that's so cool.

Make sure you go check out her channel here.

Um, I have some cool little questions here that we're going to.

Uh, yeah, we're going to go through here.

Um, usually do like a rapid fire, okay.

So with this, I mean we do want to try and be, because we could like talk about some of these things for a very long time Right right.

But we want to try and hit as many as possible.

I feel like I'm starting to get a little bit warmer and of course we're like we're almost done.

Yeah.

Like you know, it's like I'm like, yeah, everything is great, yeah, everything's great, right, right, right.

And it's back to, like you know, that tenseness, you know, and when you're cold though, I know you like tense up dude, I know.

You know, Okay, so try and get a little warm here.

I need some warmth coming.

Come on, guys, bring it on.

Bring it on, bring on that warmth, okay you ready, all right.

Can of someone in?

your family, let's see it.

Oh yeah, just do it.

I'm gonna piss off today.

Yeah, come on, just do it.

Just do somebody.

Um, oh my god, come on.

You got this I'm doing the cat yes, there you go, perfect, okay.

Okay, name another country you want to visit oh, um greece and why beautiful.

I want to go to the greek islands oh, I just went there last year oh, you did, I did.

I'm jealous, I dude I have a an island, amilos, you have to go to, okay, okay remind me of that okay, for sure, all right.

What question do you wish people would ask you more often?

um, that's an interesting question I don't know if I need people to ask me questions no, but that's a good one.

Is there?

Is there any question that maybe like?

um, I guess I did just ask you like a thousand questions too, so okay, what question do I think people should ask me more often um, um, um.

And why aren't we all dancing right now?

oh, there you go.

All right, put it in the books.

I think mine would be um, are you okay, like?

Are you okay?

Like, do you know?

Like?

Is there anything that you want to talk?

You need to talk about?

yeah, you know, I like that yeah, um, okay.

Have you ever eaten something weird, just to see how it tastes?

Yeah, I feel like everyone has right.

Like someone's, like this is disgusting, and you're like let me see, yeah, let's try it.

Have you ever tried one of the hot chips?

It's like a one chip.

I forget what it's called.

Like the hot Cheetos.

It's not hot Cheetos.

I've had those.

It's like a one chip that's got like the crazy amount of spice.

But it's only one chip.

No Trust me, you don't.

You don't want to do this it's a singular chip.

It's a singular chip.

In like a bag, or does it have a box?

It's a box.

It's in a box, one chip.

Okay, I got to see what this looks like yeah, you got to see to fly or to read minds.

Nope, I would fly.

I don't want to read your mind.

I'm good, right, right, so good on that.

I don't want to read my own mind sometimes Jeez, that seems very loud.

All right, wait, my mind does, my mind seems loud.

All minds, all minds, yeah, all minds.

My mind is extra.

My mind's loud yeah extra, yeah, very extra.

All right, you ready?

What's the best ice cream topping?

Anything chocolate.

Yeah.

I think anything, chocolate would be good.

For sure.

Especially dark chocolate.

Yeah for sure.

Would you ever want someone to throw you a surprise party?

I mean, yeah, ah, duh, that's a easy one Come on All right if you had to move someplace you've been to on vacation, where would it be Guatemala?

Okay, so you've been there.

Yeah, my sister lives there.

Oh, cool, yeah All right, shout out to sis.

Yeah, all right.

What is your favorite form of potatoes?

Sweet potato the Japanese sweet potatoes baked.

What?

Okay, you need to put me on just baked.

Okay, you need, because they're like soft and sweet and delicious.

I hate the word moist, but they are moist enough.

I mean that's the word that you'd use to describe it.

I mean you know what can we say?

it's like they don't even need butter, they're just like on their own they're buttery already, they're buttery already all right, okay, describe the person.

Describe the person, never mind you can't describe the person to the right of you.

You don't know my life.

You don't know my life.

I love that.

All right, describe what you think your life will look like when you're 85.

Oh, how cute.

I will be in a cottage in the woods as an old crone and I will have a lot of plants around me and hopefully, grandchildren and I will be friends with insects, snakes, cats and other various animals.

Those are their homies.

Yeah, for sure.

Okay, so you're with the gang, basically.

Basically yeah, all right.

Last one Tell us your ideal packed lunch.

Oh, you know, as a kid I don't know why I really liked those Lunchables.

I don't like them anymore, but as a kid it was so novel.

My mom's like they're bad for you, so I would probably, as a child, choose that.

Which one though?

Like there was like a pizza one.

Yeah, I like that one, the pizza one.

Oh man, I like that one, the pizza one.

When's the last time you had one of those?

I literally don't even know.

It's been so long.

I think, as a you should make, you had to make them they're probably so bad for you.

I've heard they are.

I guess every now and then it's okay, we have one last segment here.

I have a phone somewhere here.

I have a phone somewhere here, wait.

I do this all the time.

I understand how it feels Okay.

All right, so wait a second.

Oh my God, we got an old phone.

Oh, you know, I brought the old one.

Wait, is this from like the?

90s, maybe even the 80s.

I feel like I'm watching like Friends or something.

This is the first cell phone ever made, just so you know.

Ring, ring, ring.

Oh wait, what's that sound?

Oh, okay, this is Catriella the young.

Catriella, catriella, okay, wait a second, you don't know me.

I have somebody here who wants to have a conversation with you and tell you something Right here.

Here you go.

Oh, hello there.

This is like psych, word worthy.

It's okay, we're here, we're here.

We're here, we're with it.

This is somatic.

Okay, don't be afraid of so much, because you know a lot of things actually aren't that scary.

If you walk up to the line you'll realize it's just a tiny cat.

Seriously, get on stage, shake it.

Uh, trust your instincts.

Your intuition's actually always right.

Trust me on that.

Someone's going to say otherwise and don't hold back.

Yeah, tell her you love her, I love you yeah.

Hey, listen, you end up being a pretty awesome human and don't change a thing and do exactly what she just told you.

All right, she's fighting you on it.

I know you ready.

Bye, bye bye, awesome.

Oh, that was so cool, awesome.

Good job, good job.

Well, hey, I want to thank you for joining us, and I think the best way to end this will be a breathing exercise, maybe just a few minutes, kind of okay, water, break first water yeah, water break my giant freaking.

We're not sponsored by Deer Park, but it certainly looks that way, dear lord.

Okay, is this even allowed like?

I don.

Is that legal?

Is that a legal size?

am I allowed to be doing this like I don't know?

okay, breathing exercise okay, so I'm gonna sit cross-legged okay because it's more comfortable okay if you want to, you can so sit comfortably wherever you are, you can bring the palms face up on your legs, taking a moment to feel your sit bones connecting to the surface below you, connecting to your natural rhythm of breath, just bringing awareness Now, with each inhale.

I want you to imagine that there are roots extending down from your sit bones all the way through into the earth.

So it's each inhale breathing in, the roots are extending down down into the earth below you, rooting you deeper and deeper with each inhale.

Now, with each exhale, imagining that the roots are becoming thicker and more robust, more solidly rooted.

So you inhale, the roots grow deeper, exhale, the roots grow more robust, continuing this flow.

Now bring awareness back to your body, now that you are firmly rooted, and I want you to imagine that there is a white light surrounding you, like an aura or a force field that surrounds you.

You can also imagine it like a bubble and positive, happy energy and things dance around this light.

Imagining joy, love and peaceful energies dancing around this aura, and any energies that do not serve you simply fizzle away upon touching this light and are repurposed in the universe into something else.

Imagining those energies just fizzling away.

Now take a deep breath in, exhale it out the mouth.

One more deep breath in, exhale it out the mouth, remembering that you can always tap into this protective light that surrounds you.

I like to think of it like we are cells and this is our cell membrane, and it actually keeps the whole system of the universe healthy when we stay within our membrane and we can still be equally as close and as loving to others, even within this cell membrane.

And you can take your hands to the heart.

Namaste, I bow to you the light in me sees the light in you.

That was perfect I did say mouse membrane, but you know it's okay.

No, the imperfectness makes it perfect.

It's good love that.

Well, hey, thank you so much for that and, uh, thank you all for joining us for this episode of respecting perspectives.

We will see you on the flip side.