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Speaker 2Got Stephen, host of the Biblical Hitman.
Speaker 3In the house in studio and put on your seat belts.
Son, if you haven't noticed already, this might get a little wild.
Speaker 2I know, I know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 4I just ca all of a sudden, just kind of been fluctuating with this new accent that I got, you know, get up all up in here and the Tennessee work over here, jump up off the plane.
Real mullet got a weird voice now, and yeah, man.
Speaker 3Do it for Dale, baby, do it for Dal.
I was bringing up some of my hats and stuff, and I tell you that's the dude, you got to put on the mullet.
And you put it on.
I'm like, dude, that looks awesome.
I was like, hey, I gotta do something silly too.
Give me my toilet paper hat.
Speaker 4Yeah, dude, dude, I mean this reminds me of Joe Dirt, Like you can't believe.
Speaker 3Oh it is.
It's totally just that.
Even you said something, buddy, I hadn't realized.
He was like, your toilet paper hat looks like a shriner's hat.
Speaker 2People could get the wrong impression with that.
Uh.
Speaker 3And I'm even cutting out of frame.
I'm so tall, so a little bit.
So Yeah, that was fun.
That was fun.
Speaker 2Hey, you know what, I can't do long hair.
Speaker 4It gets hot, right, So shout out to all the women out there, because my goodness, this hair was getting in my eyes, it was getting everywhere.
Speaker 3It's frustratous.
I loved pre rolls over here and shaking it like a lion's mane.
Maybe he's born with Now I.
Speaker 2Got myself Florida haircut right back back back in business, folks.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, man, yeah, well, uh we got to hang out.
Honestly, it was just back in June.
But I went down to Florida, your neck of the woods, and we got to hang out at a conference at Brohemian Grove, got to hang out with Jesse and Taylor.
We got an Airbnb man had a really, really good time.
And this time we had a conference in my neck of the woods.
So he flew up and once again we got us at Airbnb with Riley from the Midwest mith Oasts and went to Spiracy Con.
And when now we are back and we're hanging out at the house a little bit, and he flies out tonight.
I was like, dude, you're in studio.
We got to do something.
Speaker 4I know, it's actually fun actually having a conversation without having earplugs in and all this stuff.
But yeah, it was a great time.
Spiracy Con twenty five, twenty twenty five live.
It was one of the first conferences I actually went to and got to you know, promote the show for anyone listening out there.
You know, you can find us on YouTube, all the audio platforms pretty much anywhere under the biblical hitman.
And you know, well we'll get Jesse and Taylor in the studio, all of us together one day.
Speaker 3Yes, you know it'll be fun one percent.
But yeah, you flew in Thursday evening, late Thursday evening and I told join, well, we're up in the air.
We can either just go to my house, grab my stuff and head on to Kentucky was about a four and a half hour drive.
I said, I find it's a little cheap place to stay and hit Spiracy Connor early in the morning because we had to set up our tables and stuff.
I said, or we can just chill out here, but get up at like three am and red eye it up there.
And we both were in agreeance.
It's like, let's get the drive over with.
Speaker 2Yeah, dude, dude.
Speaker 3Actually the ride was not bad at all.
Speaker 4I mean, when you have two podcasters, you know, going on a road trip the time fights by folks, trust me, you can all kinds of conversations.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, it was a lot of fun, man.
And I will say some of the winding roads up here, coming in and out of the mountains you know, make you grab that old snap handle, you know where you're like.
Speaker 2Oh snap, you know.
But you did a good job.
Speaker 1Man.
Speaker 3It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4Appreciate everything you've done for me here and you know, taking care of me.
Speaker 2Awesome hospitality.
So it was it was a good time.
Speaker 3Man.
Yeah.
I even caught myself at one point because you know, for those of know, I got a like a six hundred horsepower Challenger and we're at and do these Mann roads and stuff, and then I mean I wouldn't even think, and i just look over at him at one point and I'm like, oh, dude, I'm sorry, Do you get car sick?
Speaker 2No?
It was cool.
We got there.
Speaker 4We got there, Uh around twelve thirty at night, one o'clock.
I got to crash in a pretty cool hotel, little circuit of hotels that are over there, since there's the conference, you know, or convention center there.
Of course, there's a bunch of hotels close by.
But everyone was real nice.
They took care of us.
Got to put our head on a pillar that night, and you know, woke up fresh, put in a nice twelve hour day pretty much at the day one of the convention, and uh, dude, the tornado that came by, huh in the beginning of the convention, Like we're by.
What I mean by tornado is just it was just swooping people.
Yeah, it was a good turnout.
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Yeah.
We got there and at the third early in the morning, because honestly, this this conference was one of the kind.
It was almost literally sun up to sundown.
They opened the doors at like eight o'clock for vendors and stuff, but nine to the public, and they went all the way to like ten o'clock at night both days.
We got there and got set up early, and like you said, it was just the first Friday was wild and I always were thinking, Oh, Friday is not going to be that bad because most people are working.
They want to finish their work day and then travel, so Saturday is going to be the busy day.
But no, it was.
It was Friday.
Friday was the busy day.
And I had actually forgotten.
But a lot of John Pounders and now you see TV there.
I don't know what title you'd put to it, so I don't know if it's you know, Torah observant or like Seventh Day adventis.
But either way, they a majority of his audience celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday, so a lot of them didn't show up for the second day.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was cool too, just to see all the guys in our circle.
Speaker 3You know.
Speaker 4There was a Travis Carpenter, the son of Scott Carpenter, was there.
He actually was next to me with my table.
It was Zach Lewis Lionel Savars on Sabbath at midnight.
That's his last name, right, Yeah, okay, yeah, Sabbath at.
Speaker 2Midnight and you from this lands a few other people.
Speaker 3Who else was there?
It was the event evangelists, Yeah, the last evangelist.
Hey, we were just talking about it.
What ah on mind blank.
Speaker 2Yeah, but then there was visual disturbance Brian right, and then uh, who's the wrestler guy that puts you in a headlock?
Speaker 3That?
Yeah?
Radio show?
Speaker 2Yeah, but it was a it was a good time, man.
And uh Aaron Judkins.
Aaron Judkins, yep.
Speaker 4I actually got a couple of his books coming in the mail, so hopefully when I get home they'll be there.
You know, Amazon does a pretty good job with all that.
And uh, you know we talked a little bit.
I've never had him and had him on the show like you have, but I that's one of the coolest things about these events is you know there's other there's other content creators and authors and researchers at these events that US podcasters.
Speaker 3You know, we love to host these kinds of individuals.
Speaker 4So when we get to meet them for the first time, it's like that first impression connection has already made.
The groundwork is pretty much you know, laid out, and then you know, you end up switching each others you know, phone numbers or whatever, emails and so you can get in contact with them to be able to get them on your show and post them on yours.
Speaker 3Yeah, man, And honestly, I was.
I mean, of course, I was excited to see, you know, everybody and hang out with them in person, because a lot of these guys I've worked with over the years and done interviews with and been on their shows, they've been on mine.
But I was really excited when I found out that doctor Anon Jenkins was going because I've worked with him for since probably twenty twenty two, back in the big days, so I've had him on several times on the Dig, had him on several times on my new show, The Prometheus Linz and uh.
He actually invited me to go want doctor Michael Heiser's show French Pop three two one, and we recorded an episode together.
So that was really cool to sit down with that guy.
So of course I brought ed the head and I added some signatures to ed the head and I told him, I said, man, I said, you definitely have to sign ed because you know, as a replica of one of the Paraka schools.
But Aaron actually held that school and studied it and drew the measurements and diagrams of it and done DNA samples, and him and Joe Taylor did a casting of that school.
So I was like, you definitely have to sign it, So I added his and I added John Pounders to it.
Then I had David Kerrico sign it, so added three new signatures to ed the head.
That's awesome.
Speaker 4I mean, by the time, you know, hopefully a year or two or three or four or whatever how long long it takes, you know, that won't be much space left on that thing.
Speaker 2Yes, you know, that's funny.
It'll actually look like Taylor.
You know.
Speaker 4Taylor, by the way, folks, is one of my co hosts on the show.
If you look at our emblem, our logo, you could actually see it in the banner of our YouTube channel.
He's the guy holding up two pistols, you know, kind of like an X in front of them, resembling the Hitman character from the video game series.
He's got the red tie and stuff, but he has tattoos on his face.
That's why that joke is hilarious.
But yeah, that's so funny.
You know it was cool too, man.
We got the opportunity to speak to you know, potential listeners or just people who have you know, we're attending the conference, and each of us always, each of us brought something different to the table.
And so everyone got a good taste of all the different flavors.
Speaker 3That makes any sense, yeah, honestly.
And what was cool was is, uh, you know, you got invited to be on a vendors table and then me and you was talking to John and then John's like, hey, man, would you care to speak?
I had somebody canceled and I got a slough to feel would you like to speak?
And He's like, yeah, man, sub me in coach.
I'm ready, Yeah, I want.
Speaker 4The ball coach.
They shout out to John Pounders.
I appreciate you, man.
It was a that's such a humbling moment just to be offered that that that kind of opportunity.
So I thank you very much man.
Speaker 2And it was cool.
Speaker 4I hope I did really good at or as much as I could with it.
And uh, you know, I got to engage with the people that were that were there, so it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3Yeah.
That was your first time, right, first week engagement.
Speaker 2First time, yeah, first time I was there for you were there, man, you were there.
You're my biggest supporter man, so.
Speaker 3Of course, and where they didn't have you like on the schedule, you know, you're like just a you know, a feel in I just didn't think you know, a lot of people knew, and you were like, yeah, I'm about to alone, and I did.
I ran outside and gathered everybody.
I went and got Travis and uh Lionel and uh Riley.
I was like, come on, let's go, or boys speaking, let's go.
Speaker 4Oh yeah, oh yeah.
And then on top of it all too, like there was musicians there as well.
You know, there's a lot of music being played, worship things like that.
Music is always something that impresses me.
It don't matter who it is, really if if you're able to kind of make some sort of sound right with your hands, I mean, it's it blows me away.
Plus two, there was you know, uh there was singers there and stuff.
So all that stuff is incredibly you know, talented.
In my opinion, it's awesome stuff.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean you did good too.
Uh.
I remember even like when you first started off, he was kind of like, uh, you know, just a little shake.
He wasn't bad.
But then once you started going, especially uh was Bill Messer.
He started engaging with you, you know, and asking questions, and then next thing you know, it's like, okay, this is like a podcast.
I'm just having a dialogue here.
Man.
Then you just you took off running.
Speaker 4Man.
Speaker 3You did good.
Speaker 2Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3Man.
Speaker 4Sometimes you know, it's like it's like that cruise control like on a vehicle.
It takes a little bit to get to that speed, and then once you get to that speed, lock it in and it's just natural from there.
So it was cool, and I actually had some difficulties.
I tell people all the time, a lot of my friends call me Murphy.
I'm like, yeah, because I'm Murphy's Law.
Something's going to go wrong, man, it's going to go wrong with me.
And I made these slide shows for my talk, and I made it on the computer and I was like, okay, it's an Apple computer.
I'll make it on Keynote.
And I have an Apple laptop, so it's an Apple product.
It has to have Keynote.
And of course it didn't.
So I made all that stuff and got up there, had my laptop out, and then I said, oh, no, where's Keynote And there was no internet.
I couldn't download the app up there, and doctor Aaron Judkins pull had the fire.
He had the table next to me.
I seen him on his computer and I was like, hey, is that an Apple computer?
He's like looking at me like yeah, And I was like, what time are you speaking?
He's like, oh, I ain't speaking till six.
It's like one o'clock.
And I was going on.
At one point thirty, I was like, man, could.
Speaker 3I pretty please use your laptop for my presentation without hesitation?
Yeah?
Sure, go ahead.
So I got pulled out of the fire from that, and the second day I got all my stuff lined up.
Then that little dongle and I bought it brand new, the hook up to my laptop and have an HDMI go into it, and the freaking thing wouldn't work.
So I had to do the second show, but with no slides show presentation.
But I just laughed it off.
You know, I should be like a stand up guy's a style person.
As they were sittre trying to work on it, I was like, well, hey, guys, how's going Everybody having a good time this week?
Yeah?
Yeah, you gotta improvise?
Man?
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Speaker 4What got me too is I didn't realize how tiring these events can kind of be.
You know, we're because we're constantly engaging with people that are coming across to the table.
You know, these people walk by in the window shop pretty much, and you know you want them to really kind of get more familiar with your brand a little bit, so you engage with them.
But then some some of these individuals, you know, will carry on a ten minute conversation with you, and it was like we were, you know, podcasting all day, which is cool, right, I mean, that's like what we're built for, and it was cool to get some other individual you know, different perspectives from from these individuals to where you know, they knew some things that I didn't know.
So it was just you know, more books for my bookshelf, vice versa.
And they were just so happy to really see you know, creators in person.
I think I think it's a big kind of it's a fun moment for them.
Speaker 3You know.
Speaker 4I don't think we're anyone at least I talk about myself, but I'm not really in like this famous space, you know.
But they definitely give you, like this gleam a little bit, which is cool, right, So it's always fun.
Speaker 3Yeah, it makes you feel good because you think you're just talking into a camera, not really affecting anybody or you know, having an influence on anybody, or even being heard sometimes.
So yeah, these conferences are definitely fuel for the fire.
For one, you get with like minded people, and so in this space, the things we talk about, it can be isolating.
You know, we are the minority, you know in that kind of sense.
So when you get to these conferences and you find like minded people, You're like, I'm not the only crazy heretic.
I'm amongst my people.
Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, there's more people in the sandbox.
Yeah.
Speaker 3And then at the same time, when you have those doubts about you know, the content creation, you go to these conferences and then you get those people that come up and be like, man, I love your show, A longtime listener.
I love what you do.
Thank you man.
Okay, sweet fuel for the fire.
I'm least positively influencing someone, It's worth it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 4Like one guy came by, He's like, hey, I've heard of your show.
I came across it from Cult Conspiracy with Jacob and Jonathan right, and those guys put out a tremendous amount of content.
Shout out to those guys, and I had the opportunity to get on their show with Jesse and we we had a nice three and a half hour talk.
I mean, those guys can really stretch the stretch the endings there.
But it was a cool moment because he said that, you know, hey, I came across your show, and it's funny.
I run into you here, and I mean the next few sentences that came out of his mouth, he's like, you know, I like I like Prometheus Lens too, and Doc Brown.
Speaker 2I was like, dude, he's here, and he was.
He was.
Speaker 4He said are you serious?
And I was like, yeah, go around the corner there, hang it left and he's right down there, and uh go meet him at person.
So it was was cool got to shake their hand and send them off to other content creators that they didn't even know that they were there.
But when you see the kind of happiness and the real that that you know they're experiencing where oh what they're here meet and greet in a way, so it goes a long way.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, and I did.
I got to meet to several people that were listeners of the show.
But then at the same time, I got to meet some people that I've had interactions with online for years and never put a face to them, and so they actually came up and got to meet them.
It's just really really cool man.
And shout out to Riley, you know from Midwest Mythos.
He come up with us and he met us there.
He come all the way from Indiana and he met us there that morning.
Kind of helped us set up and hang out with us and watch tables and stuff, and that was a huge blessing.
Man.
I'm used to doing these things, Solow, and you have set at the table the whole day.
I mean you can risk taken off, but I mean you risk SOMEBD, you know, snatching yourself.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, there's temple grabbers man.
So I'll tell you that I came across a couple of those.
Yeah, yeah, and you know big Fish.
That's Riley.
Speaker 3Shout out to big Fish.
I love it.
And he's a salesman, bro.
Speaker 2He was supposed to.
Speaker 4Tell me how he got that name, but he didn't.
You didn't get a chance to get around to I don't know.
Do you know how he got that name?
Speaker 3I do not know.
I think I think he was saying, it's just at work.
At work, they gave each other like nicknames and stuff, and he ended up with big Fish.
And he was like, I don't know why, but he watched the table for me and like, so if I wanted to, you know, go outside for a minute, get a breathere, or go to the bathroom, go get something to eat, or just even go mosey around, check out some of the tables and talk to the other content creators.
He always held down the fort and man, I tell you, I even told him, I said, dude, you could sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves.
And he's like, amen, I just like to talk.
Yeah, I guess I am a salesman.
But he would like people walk by, Like you said, some people just like to kind of inadvertently look and then keep going.
He wouldn't let him get away.
So if they got near the table and got to looking, hey, how you doing today?
Are you enjoying yourself?
You have had a good time?
Why you check this.
Speaker 2Out right right?
That's just awesome?
Speaker 3And I did.
I sold out man.
Uh you know, Riley Man, he did a good job.
I remember I showed up like forty books and I sold all of them but four.
I had four books for the next day.
Oh wow, Yeah, I mean he did a heck of a job, thanks, Riley.
Speaker 4And it's funny too.
When we went to after day two, we went to breakfast at Cracker Barrel.
We ended up running into all the big creators right that were you know, a part of.
Speaker 2Spiracy Con.
Speaker 4And I saw and it was right in around that area where the all the hotels are and everything.
So that's where all the guests as well or the you know, the people participating at the event, they were there, and so everyone was running into each other at Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 3But I saw one.
Speaker 4Of the one of the attendees, you know, walking into Cracker Barrel with your book, and I was like, oh, snap, that's cool.
Speaker 3But it was fun.
Man.
Speaker 2The drive back wasn't bad.
It wasn't bad at all.
Speaker 4Again, you got two podcasters just hanging out for four and a half hours and it flew by, got gas what maybe one time?
Which is awesome.
I drive a truck that gets like twelve miles to the gallon.
Here's probably gets something similar.
Speaker 3Right, Yeah, it's part pretty close yea.
Speaker 4And we get back right, We get back to Doc's place, and first of all, Doc has like the coolest DVD collection I've ever seen in my life.
Oh it's so old school and I'm so upset that I don't have it.
Speaker 3But there was.
Speaker 4It's everything.
It's everything on like the fringe aspect of like Christian content.
And so we got in.
I he was like, which one you want?
I was like, dude, this is like a kid in the candy store.
I don't know what I want.
I like chocolate, I like I like, you know, sour stuff.
There's just so much to choose from.
And you actually brought out the Bill Cooper documentary and I this is someone that obviously of our time, our time, Like everyone knows Bill Cooper.
I know about Bill Cooper but I've never dug deep into his store or what he really covered.
Speaker 2But getting into it.
Speaker 4Before I get into that, but you know, I've always kind of seen short clips of Bill Cooper's talking about something for maybe fifteen thirty seconds long.
You guys know how social media is today.
Everything's kind of really shortened down for attention spans.
But I was like, you know what, someone was calling to me to watch that, right, So it has all this interesting illustration on the front cover, and it intrigued me.
So first of all, Doc's got a DVD player, which is super nostalgic for me to see, and it was awesome.
It made me think of like the old days when I used to put DVDs in my old PlayStation two.
But we popped it in, dude, and we were like narrating while we were talking.
Speaker 3We were pausing, oh yeah, we get three to five man saying we had to polls and theorize and philosophize.
Speaker 2It was awesome, man.
Speaker 4And so I mean that that story of Bill Cooper, I didn't I did not know what happened.
Thought he just died of natural causes, but that really isn't the case.
Speaker 3You know, they straight up murdered him on his front door.
Speaker 4Yeah, I mean he was what would you say, he was like the godfather of all this kind of stuff that we dive into.
Speaker 3Yeah, he was talking about this stuff in the early and mid nineties, you know, for the days of YouTube and all that stuff.
He was doing shortwave radio programs talking about the powers that be, the hidden hands that ruled the world, and the Freemasons and all the occult symbolism and all that stuff.
Man, he was the grandfather of fringe, if you want to call him that.
Yeah.
Speaker 4He had his own radio show too, I believe, which I think it aired for what four hundred and something hours or something.
Speaker 2Like that, I can't remember.
Speaker 3I remember he was crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 4And so yeah, that whole story about how he was, you know, allegedly this this Second Amendment guy and this conspiracy theory and.
Speaker 3He was part of a terrorist organization, a terrorist militia.
Yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, there's always this narrative wrapped around people that you know, are our researchers and you know, revealing certain things to the public that these puppeteers don't want to be exposed, right to these public minds, because everything today seems to be like it's wrapped deep, deeply knitted into propaganda.
Propaganda's you know, the government, these organizations, the mystery schools, you know, these secret societies coloring in certain areas of your thoughts.
And so he was his main message was like really trying to wake people up.
Speaker 3Yeah, wake the sheep That's what he kept saying.
It's my job to wake the sheeple.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 4And then but he was he was naming.
He talked about in the beginning of the documentary he got into his UFO experience.
I don't remember exactly how it went, but.
Speaker 3Yeah, man, that was wild because they lightly touched standing on the film, but he went to it in depth on his book, you know, Behold a Pale Horse, and so he kind of lightly talked about it on the documentary and that was one of our pile's moments and he's like, what, I need more context on that one, and I was like, I tell you, but yeah.
He was working on a submarine out in the Pacific between California and Hawaii.
That's right there where that Uss Knehmence is and all that tic tack and all that UFO stuff, and he was out on deck and seeing a UFO a huge flying saucer.
And I can't remember the size, but it was ridiculous big.
I think he said it was the size of a like those ships that the planes land on out there in the ocean.
Speaker 2Yeah, the aircraft carrier.
Speaker 3And he said that it just come right out of the water, he said, and it's like there was a force field around it that pushed the water away, like it never even touched the thing that stood there and floated.
And then it just shot off.
And then he went and got these captain and started telling all kinds of people.
They started looking on radar.
They couldn't see it anymore, but they picked it up on radar.
Then the whole crew went out there and was looking at the sky.
Then it comes back and he says, you know, two hundred mile iron more ridiculous speed, he said, never slowed down, he said, hit the water, and again the water just pushed away and wrapped around it like a bubble, like an invisible bubble was around it.
Wow, he said, something stopped.
I've worked in the Navy and army my whole life, he said.
At a speed like that, and then impact on the water, he said, it should tour the shreds and he said, we all gave our statements, and they took us back to Hawaii, to the mainland.
He said, normally they'd let us off.
He said, the would even less off the boat.
He said, in the commanding officer of the whole thing met with him one on one and interviewed a mi ale and that he asked Bill.
He said, well, Bill, what'd you see out there?
He's like, Sir, I think it was a UFO.
He said that.
He just went irate, cussed, seem like a dog was slinging stuff off these dass, breaking lamps off the wall, just going crazy.
And he said.
Then he sits back down, takes a deep breath, says, I'm going to ask you a Bill again.
I'm gonna ask you again, Bill, He said, in the future, your future riots on your answer.
He said, what did you see out there?
Said nothing, Sir.
He says, You're going to go far and I get on my office.
Speaker 4Yes, that's how it works, man.
I mean this makes me obviously we paused at this moment.
We had some dialogue about it, but it makes me think of a few things.
Speaker 2You know, we've had tarcoal.
Speaker 4Carlson go on to Joe Rogan's show, and within the first ten to fifteen minutes of the show he talked about certain I forget exactly what the operation was, but it's that they've detected these anomalies or these phenomenons or these objects, right, because they kind of appear on radar, but they're moving at extreme speeds underwater.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 4We even kind of talked a little bit about how the Bible, you know, speaks of the subject of spirits right with their habitation being in the abyss or in the waters.
Right, So it makes me think of of that a little bit, right, And what we've seen since twenty seventeen with the David Freber and you know, the tic tac video that went viral, since you know that the New York Times opened up this story in twenty seventeen, you know, it seems to be that ever since that has happened, we've been kind of getting spoon fed, spoon fed a little little at a time where we're starting to see what's called whistleblowers coming to Congress giving their their testimonies and their ideas to what they think these things are, or you know, what documents that they've been revealed to from working in these you know, classified areas of government, So.
Speaker 2That again, you know, makes.
Speaker 4Me think of kind of like propaganda, because there's always push to.
Speaker 2To have the.
Speaker 4Public wrapped their minds around this concept, and it seems like they're coloring in these spaces of thought to where these are extraterrestrials.
But I think Bill, I don't know, but did Bill have a different view of the extraterrestrial narrative?
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Now, well, at first, you know, he thought that they were extraterrestrial, that they were aliens.
And then once he got out of the service, he started deep diving and studying this stuff.
And he was a military intelligence officer, so he's seeing reports and things talking about these craft and he ended up joining moufon.
I can't remember what that acronym means, but it's the people that study aliens and stuff in UFOs.
And he spent many years and now working with people sharing research.
And he said that he got the long story short.
He just found out that most of the people he said in his opinion that a lot of the people there were CIA and FBI implants.
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