[SPEAKER_03]: Pugly, I've seen you, Vanga Angela, starts and welcome to real indigenous.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're these indigenous people get real about everything on our screen and everything in between.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we've got our other host here with us.

[SPEAKER_00]: But do we get this is sunrise?

[SPEAKER_00]: Glad to be here after this long time.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know, welcome back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we've got two very special guests.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's start with a little beer.

[SPEAKER_05]: Hello, my name is a little bit of sunshine.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm currently right now in the bank.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm just so excited to see everybody.

[SPEAKER_05]: Good.

[SPEAKER_05]: And Sabrina.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, I'm Sabrina, like the teenage wage.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sabrina Slyha is me.

[SPEAKER_02]: What are inch rows?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: My god, I'll work with me to it.

[SPEAKER_06]: It works.

[SPEAKER_02]: It works.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm based here in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

[SPEAKER_03]: So everybody else isn't joining nice cool weather except for those of us in Oklahoma, where we're baking.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm hearing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's really, it's, it's the AC.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm cheating.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't believe you either in Santa Fe.

[SPEAKER_02]: Elevation is great.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we've all met with two different film festivals that we were both, let's see, several of us were at imaginative, several of us were at dead center.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then you guys are two guests have been through a couple of different programs through imaginative.

[SPEAKER_03]: And in when you tish.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: So let's talk about first imaginative.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was my first time to ever go.

[SPEAKER_03]: Our podcast was accepted into the digital space and just being in tip was amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was so it was my first time to Canada.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great first impression.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love those.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then Tiff at the light box, like, imaginative is incredible.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's so cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: And congratulations.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, thanks.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you all were part of the program too, because we saw each other at your pitch fast.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what was happening?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think, well, I ran into you because we were lost.

[SPEAKER_03]: Remember?

[SPEAKER_05]: And then we were lost.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then like, it was just like a bunch of people just like, [SPEAKER_05]: Well, pretty much like yeah, I was like I knew we were with some other women and like we ended up just like chatting like her own next to each other just like we were right with the right people We were just really yeah, yeah, and then it was I was up the open reception I think that's what I was called I don't know it was downstairs and through a market and around a corner and we were just like so across some kind of wellness play [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was the pitching opening.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my goodness.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, oh my goodness.

[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, there was like so many events.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was really hard to catch up during that time.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the opening and slash pitch.

[SPEAKER_05]: How do I, I don't even have the correct word that was actually.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: We walked in and there were little tables with little little booklets.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, every table.

[SPEAKER_05]: So what was that about, which actually I didn't realize I shot a little bit polite where like, if I don't, if it's not mine, I won't look at it.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I noticed they right away, but then like, didn't register into somebody pointed it out that it was all for all of us.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I kind of forgot that they were making a picture.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I thought it was going to be like a really pretty picture.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then we give like a flyer.

[SPEAKER_05]: And they had a bunch of really nice booklets.

[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, it was really nice being able to see everybody's well, I could see everyone's work, but just like knowing like it was they all their projects were there.

[SPEAKER_05]: And you can just like physically grab it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was amazing to experience.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know that listeners can't see it, but on the Zoom, yeah, this is like mine that I had and it was so cool because like we made her like pitch that and then they printed it out and I assumed it would be like flyers or something but they didn't imagine you'd have just such a beautiful job like printing it out and me I was like, oh, I'm professional, like someone gave me money to make this for personalism, but yeah, it was [SPEAKER_02]: The, I forgot what it was called, too, but it was like a pitch thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: We all had her boots and people would come up to us and I had my business cards and this and I felt like we would talk about her films or songs or get to know other people.

[SPEAKER_02]: It went by really fast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I remember looking at the schedule and it was like, I don't remember a little there maybe four hours or five hours or something like that, but I remember when it was over.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, this, it flew by, but it was really, it was really fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was really great.

[SPEAKER_05]: There was just so many people coming in and just like doing rounds and yeah, it's, I think we're, it felt like a speed-edity.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's the only way to describe it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's the speed-edity.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and like people were just home to want to about their mother and I was, yeah, those are really just the final thing of the program through imaginative, or how did you get there?

[SPEAKER_02]: So this is like little barrier.

[SPEAKER_02]: You were in the future's lab this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I was in the future's lab in twenty twenty three.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the pitch.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I knew the exact name of this event, but like the speed dating pitch thing was the first year imaginative did it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they brought in everyone this year in years past and they could talk about any project.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did talk about the project I worked on in the lab.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it was the first year we did this sort of event.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like the features of itself is like, how long is it a little fair?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a minute.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just under.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a whole year.

[SPEAKER_05]: And within that year with the Screen Riding Features Lab, it's every like two months I want to say like you have a meeting with your story editor and all the mentors and you're going through like the phases from pitching your idea to like you're having your cheaper anything that's at the very beginning and then it's going through your drafts.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the process.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you apply like if I remember sometime in the winter time and you apply with a story idea feature idea and then you answer you know the typical application questions and I think you I think we have to submit like a five page sample sort of so they can gauge what our voice looks like that sort of thing and then when accepted just like little bears that like we like first start with our treatment or maybe that was part of the application process but you find to the treatment [SPEAKER_02]: Then you move to outline.

[SPEAKER_02]: and then you move into like breaking down the script like you start with Act One and then you work with the story editors for feedback, Act Two, etc etc and I think we got to, was it just the first, we went to second or after not sure but we would have a completed script so it went from like idea to completed script any year with support of the best story editors and imagine you have this so supportive and they like offer a Korean as well which is super helpful to like survive.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the artist and focus on her scripts.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah, then this past year is the first year they brought in like all years past.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm super lucky because I'm like old person.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in a long and they brought us all back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we got to do it all over again and picture ideas and be able to imagine need of.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the love itself and then this pitch event that I created this year.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was really nice because they did tell us that there were a lot of people from the past lots and people who were just involved in general that were going to be there to have opportunity to like talk to producers, talk to other filmmakers, and even I think there are some actors coming around too during that event.

[SPEAKER_05]: other film works and they yeah it was it was like it was really beautiful because it was like a space where oh my god I'm seeing all the all these new upcoming films and they're all made from indigenous folks and then just everyone just even that space to share it was really nice like I don't know like the this imaginative that was my first impression of just like having all these [SPEAKER_05]: other creators together sharing it and like that kind of like set up like throughout the whole week.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it was going to be it's a story and it's crazy because I think I remember seeing [SPEAKER_05]: seeing you Sabrina like sitting down.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you're, I know you're a pressure you're across for me or yeah, I think we're crossing together.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then afterwards, we ended up talking and meeting up the Sundance.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Which that's the love, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: Which is pretty different.

[SPEAKER_05]: But like, and yeah, so it was really nice.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I was going to see people who I've seen in different events eventually.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I was not sure they're in cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you're going to share what your projects were.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a really.

[SPEAKER_02]: A little bear has heard my pitch when it's fine tuned.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a minute.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, you did so well.

[SPEAKER_05]: You did so like, honestly, I was like, first of all, not to get in a tangent or a rant about what you're doing outside of your two, but I know you're doing a pitch workshop.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like Sabrina, you are perfect for that because you're [SPEAKER_05]: No, seriously, we're over here having, like, any cuisine and she's over here, like, basically opening her heart about her story and like, it's so good in the way you explain it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, I didn't need to pitch that.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's nice to see visuals, but like, you were able to really fall through and structure, like, basically the overall story and who's what's who's involved in, like, that your tone is, but anyways, I'll shut up.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's Rita.

[SPEAKER_05]: You want to talk about your story?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so to the people listening to this, this is, [SPEAKER_02]: like I was there because I had practiced and then that day it was like a speed dating of practice and then I went to the micro meeting so I was like by the time I told you it little bear I was like this is it but okay this is like not gonna be as good because it's been a minute after remember but the story that I worked on at imaginative and I'm currently in the Sunday and Sneet of Love as well this year so I'm continuing to refine it this year as well in the cohort but I like to start with a little bit about myself and like kind of [SPEAKER_02]: brought the idea to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's been about like eleven years ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like had a clear life plan.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had a four-ite scholarship and was in college and had a job in tag and had the civil paycheck and insurance.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everything was like two plan.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then [SPEAKER_02]: The unthinkable happened to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I or me, my family were planning for my brother's high school graduation.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we had to pivot and plan for a funeral.

[SPEAKER_02]: He unexpectedly passed away.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's been eleven years.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's always scary to say the number because it feels so far, but it still will always feel so raw.

[SPEAKER_02]: So during that time I quit my job in tech and I started over and it was around this time that I went to something called grief camp.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a real, it's a real thing that exists.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I first went as a camper and when I first went, I hated it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the grief Olympics for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I thought at the time at the sort of my grief, [SPEAKER_02]: I thought no one can agree harder than me.

[SPEAKER_02]: No one knows what it's like to lose my brother.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was a competition and I was so so angry.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like we would do our brief shares and stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would be so angry and so sad and I'll cry and but fast forward a couple of years of going to the camp and where I'm at today.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've learned that I can agree with and still experience joy and still like [SPEAKER_02]: you know bring them along what I do in like memory and I don't have to hold on to that resentment in order to still honor and love my brother and that was something I learned at grief camp and today I volunteer as a Kim counselor so it's come really full circle of I first went as a camper [SPEAKER_02]: and then today I am a camp counselor.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this brings me to the story I brought to imaginative and now currently developing through Sundance.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is a young adult fantasy adventure called Grief Camp.

[SPEAKER_02]: But in this feature version, it stars a young girl named Aguoyazi.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like this Navajo Rebellious team.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like Daria meets Wednesday Adams and it's just her and her younger brother against the world and their rock band.

[SPEAKER_02]: until one day she gets into a car accident with him.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I go, the sister is catapulted into this fantasy world called grief camp.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this grief camp is very like sugary and saccharine and Disney.

[SPEAKER_02]: So for someone that's like an emo girl like Daria, it's her worst nightmare.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like all the camp counselors speak like a meditation podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: And in this world that I made in the theater, grief camp is an in between place for [SPEAKER_02]: Native kids who didn't get a chance to be kids before they enter the afterlife for good.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like an in between place for them to just be kids.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's up this camp.

[SPEAKER_02]: She meets three other campers, first is Sage.

[SPEAKER_02]: This will be her soon to be best friend.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like this student body president type vibes talks really fast, like good YouTube shoes, whereas pink.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's Benji, which is like the camp's heart throb and her crush.

[SPEAKER_02]: She has the swoopy hair and dreamy eyes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's raided.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's blunt and likes to smoke them too.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's very into the arts.

[SPEAKER_02]: That sort of thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And together, together they solve these grief riddles.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if they can solve it in time, Echo gets a chance to go back to Earth to say goodbye to her brother before she enters the afterlife for good.

[SPEAKER_02]: all the while balancing like, will she get her first kiss?

[SPEAKER_02]: So it brief campus kind of like the goonies, like the crew of the goonies meets like Disney's soul.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's grief camp that's what I pitched out of Magneto where it started and then continued to develop at Sundance and I wanted to do a couple more shorts, but that will be the first like feature I will direct.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool how I can see [SPEAKER_00]: the potential of it being either animated or live action.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's really strong aspect here.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just the function of the pit right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: I remember when you were saying that during that lunch, I was just like, oh, it's like trying not to like cry.

[SPEAKER_05]: I just like cry like you because it's so good.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's just something that really speaks to a lot of people in our community, you know, and it's something that's a little bit more, I don't know if fun is the word, but because there is a fantasy element, it's like you're able to see that it's not just focused on the grief that it's like we're talking about her growing as a young woman and like going through like normal esteem, the right?

[SPEAKER_05]: We're to say, or you need to be able to also show like there's more to what's going on with her, but it all comes together.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's just so, honestly, I'm excited.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really excited for your project.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's an unfortunate reality for us and our communities to have loss.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I feel like my ethos as an artist and as a filmmaker is like, I want to create joy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want like color joy and like taking something like my short film center is like, it's like a identity in my short film.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been made a fun and a great but somehow find a way that is meant for like families and kids and it's kind of, I feel like hiding the broccoli like in candy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I want [SPEAKER_02]: Like, for someone like me when I first went through my grief journey, I was so angry and just did a lot of, I just didn't know like coping skills or what to do, I was just angry and I didn't know what to do with it because I was so young and you just don't have the vocabulary or the skills or the support or resources.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if my small part of existing in this world is if I can make this film and help somebody else that maybe unfortunately was in the same situation as me, maybe there are like really positive coping skills and grief makes you feel so isolated and you're not alone and that's everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, I feel like I've talked a lot about this little bearer.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like your story is also so beautiful and special and your pitch was amusing and can't wait for you to share it right now.

[SPEAKER_05]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I am so like Sabrina, my short or short actually did start as a short.

[SPEAKER_05]: Mine came with the experiences with as a two-spirited visual.

[SPEAKER_05]: I had on and off relationships with people who were DL and how that never really worked out.

[SPEAKER_05]: And also kind of like what I've witnessed, basically people who were afraid to live their truths and were really kind of like [SPEAKER_05]: vilified of who they were and pretty much my story which is always my love it's about this tribal president who is very your stereotypical stoic native he was a president this tribe and has his divorce and has a couple kids and just nobody knows anything about him and that's how he likes it [SPEAKER_05]: And until one day in the office and he finds out he finds an obituary of somebody who he wants new back in the nineties, which was actually somebody he had an affair with.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it was a young other two spirited man and during that time he's having to like make a decision whether because what they want to do is use the community center as a wake.

[SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of people don't want that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, it's just because of homophobia, because of all sorts of many things.

[SPEAKER_05]: And with him, he's having to forcefully go back to those memories and remember his time with him and seeing like how if he's going to honor his passing and stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: And pretty much like that, that's kind of like throughout the whole story with what's going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to spoil it too much.

[SPEAKER_05]: I really wanted to write this just because I feel like there are a lot LGBT stories.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there should be more, but not so much when it comes to indigenous folks and also elders.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's never conversations about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And for me, I grew up with my grandmother raised me and so I was always curious about what went on in her life.

[SPEAKER_05]: still like seeing that essence of like energy of she was excited to talk about it and that was something fun or sometimes challenging for her to go back to but that's something that I feel like a lot of our community members can relate to like listening to our elders and these are types of the stories where I feel like aren't talked about enough so it's something that I really wanted to play with and see if it can [SPEAKER_05]: become a feature in which it did.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I started off from Sundance Lab to to now this feature.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was I'm not going to lie.

[SPEAKER_05]: I go up through this whole self-deprecating.

[SPEAKER_05]: No one's going to care about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gay and hate it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, but then a lot of my friends are like, do it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like we have to.

[SPEAKER_05]: Someone we don't want somebody telling our stories.

[SPEAKER_05]: We want more control over our narratives, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: It was, that's how it was applying for Sundays.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's how it was for imaginative, sometimes I need.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's always women, indigenous women, like kicking my butt and do it.

[SPEAKER_05]: But that's how things get done.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of things like that in my story.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so yeah, that's always my love.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_05]: I guess it's, but the thing is, I told everybody even during our panel, I don't really want to direct it just because I'm a little afraid, like I, because it's my baby.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I want to make sure that whoever, you know, [SPEAKER_05]: does direct it like they understand how fragile the story is and just respect it.

[SPEAKER_05]: But because for me, I actually love horror.

[SPEAKER_05]: I love horror films.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's actually one of the ones I really want to direct first.

[SPEAKER_05]: And this one I'm like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_05]: I can give this to someone who would probably respect it a lot more to end with.

[SPEAKER_05]: Not that I wouldn't, but it's just like, I'm [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, anybody that knows me, it's I love anything sci-fi or thrillers and so it's kind of surprising that I was able to make a drama romance drama like it's not the great thing you can do anything you want to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's put it this way.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I know where my limits are with creativity and creativeizing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so that's, that's fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: Don't box yourself in, don't hesitate.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, don't like it because I like the way.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's just because it's, I want to share it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I feel like a lot of times these stories that they're meant to share with everybody.

[SPEAKER_05]: And but this one, like, I know that whoever, [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be involved with it.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're going to take care of it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not worried about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a really different situation, just because I think I don't know traditionally a lot of people are like, Sabrina, they're taking control of their stories, but as it should be, I think it's just this one.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't mind.

[SPEAKER_05]: Give it to someone.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's interesting.

[SPEAKER_05]: I honestly, I don't think I'm as strong as you, Sabrina.

[SPEAKER_01]: You are.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's been a sense where it's like, you are, and again, I'm not trying to celebrate, but like, seeing people like you, meeting people like Angela up, just like everybody here.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they're so friendly, so inviting, but you guys just being in the space speaks for itself.

[SPEAKER_05]: It speaks for yourself of like, how ready you guys are, how hungry you guys are for to be able to [SPEAKER_05]: be in this industry, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: And then to be able to have these challenges of the things the stories you want to tell the things you want to do with media.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's it's to me that's company.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's company in.

[SPEAKER_05]: And again, sometimes I will get there.

[SPEAKER_05]: But it's everybody has a role, but when it comes to this industry.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so people like being a front camera behind or just the writing.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's that I think that's where the limbo I'm at right now.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I'm trying to see everything.

[SPEAKER_05]: Just [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's fair.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think everybody's journey.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are artistic journey.

[SPEAKER_02]: So different.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know, I feel like I still want to be your choice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want you can do whatever you want in dream of and like [SPEAKER_02]: We all support you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also understand and I understand what you're saying to like everybody has a different path and different journey and it'll all look really different.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's all equally as important.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's how it wasn't designated.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like everybody was so erupting everybody.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I've been so couple of fun festivals with this one.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like it felt like a family reunion of family or having met.

[SPEAKER_05]: But that's where I can describe it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, again, like, when I first met, you were the first people that we saw in July, you, it was you and math, I think.

[SPEAKER_05]: And like, already I was like, okay, I'm come to rule.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'm come to rule.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then, and even like, going to the pitch, like, we're all there.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, these are all friendly faces.

[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone's here for the same reasons of getting our projects supported.

[SPEAKER_05]: And just, again, it was a shared space.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then all these other events, it was great.

[SPEAKER_05]: Is that that.

[SPEAKER_05]: That was, that's the kind of creative energy I needed to be around to be, again, to see you guys like, oh, these people are like, really basically going after, after support and like, I wish more people, if you didn't speak with my communities can see that, just because that's what's gonna get us, get us more, I don't, I don't reduce the word like, more stronger, I guess.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, that's, that's, imagine it was like that to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Probably more confident.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think the word you're looking for is a compliment in our narrative sovereignty because that's what we're doing is we're taking back our stories.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're able to tell our stories our way and that's so important and I'm so proud of both of you.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, these pictures are amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love them.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait.

[SPEAKER_03]: So good job.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think all of that I like you started Sunday and some brought it to imaginative and then it started something like this story story is something.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we did the inverse is what I'm writing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will just say that little barrier you're in these spaces to right you're making an observation that.

[SPEAKER_00]: These individuals that you're observing in these spaces have this what Angela describing as a confidence, but you're there too right you're they you're one of those that are.

[SPEAKER_00]: the future of all of this storytelling and don't dismiss the value that you're bringing even though you may feel like you may not compare because you do you're there you are one of the few selected and it's not that many that are selected.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so competitive.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's so hard thought.

[SPEAKER_05]: We just feel like stress is me out.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, like, I'm used to it.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, you know, like, I've gotten rejected so many times with these other things.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I just laugh at it now.

[SPEAKER_05]: I back then, like, are you still like, [SPEAKER_05]: Like, why?

[SPEAKER_05]: I'll just be all about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: But like, now it's, you know, it's, it challenges you and to do something different and, you know, all these risks and also the rewards with it, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: So just, yeah, honestly, I think this one, not just say if it's because we're in this space right now, but like, imaginative being a part of it was like, [SPEAKER_05]: I got more than just writing my story and having that support.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was just, again, just meeting people.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that was like the cherry on top.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like it was really nice.

[SPEAKER_05]: Again, there's so many things going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: And all I wanted to do, I just wanted to do everything, but it was so hard because you guys are covered.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was called, oh, it's swap card.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking at my phone.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was just like some things were like on top of each other.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know my whole afternoon was eat up with swap card meetings, those micro meetings, which were amazing and so insightful and so helpful and so nice that they took the time to just visit with us about all of the questions that I had random questions that I've never found the answers to easily.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they were just so patient and explaining things and I was just like, oh, thanks.

[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of always wondered that.

[SPEAKER_05]: I have a question for all you guys over there because it's been kind of like I'm very curious about did you guys have to take breaks because I found myself napping like [SPEAKER_02]: I think at every festival it's like energy management like if there's so much happening and it's so much good stuff but like yeah definitely it took a lot of breaks and I took naps and they were short film blocks so I wanted to go to more but then sometimes I just felt I was so tired so I had to miss a couple and I was like okay I'll get to the online afterwards but yeah taking care of yourself like during festivals are really really so important [SPEAKER_05]: I felt guilty, like there were times for a lot of people.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know, maybe it's presumptuous.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I can imagine anyone is going to every single event for energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm taking breaks.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of good stuff, but it requires a lot of energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I took a lot.

[SPEAKER_05]: When I liked that, it's a lot of it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think even the one in tip.

[SPEAKER_05]: like I was so happy that they had a lot of their screenings or events like happening there because it was just like a white white like I was for some of us like because they're across the block to walk through yeah it was a really great location I loved it [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, now I don't feel bad.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was worth it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Again, I've been to some, but usually they're like, I don't like the ones down, even in Santa Fe, I think they're like, we're like a weekend.

[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe a day.

[SPEAKER_05]: Usually it's like, you have a set time and it's usually just the screen is in that set or the Q and A's.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, no, this one, it was like, oh my god.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then also the people who are running the programs, like, I can't feel like what do you check up on them?

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know something.

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like it was just like, are you guys okay?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I don't know what it's like.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we're in work at the same time.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's there.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have a big job to do as like guests who we can take breaks, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's intense.

[SPEAKER_05]: But they did a good job.

[SPEAKER_05]: They did a really good job.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a question in terms of prep for you guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: You two had to know going in that you're going to do these pitch sessions and I'm curious how much prep you did, what you did, if there's advice you have for people who have to do the same thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm so type A.

I love prep.

[SPEAKER_02]: like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I prepped a lot for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like first, we had to create like a pitch deck for the pitch session.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they gave us a template and then I didn't abide by it at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just did my own thing, but like making like the pitch deck, well, I had like a variation of it, but I wanted to update it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that helped me a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then like, I have my way of pitching, but this isn't like for everyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone will find their own way.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I like I kind of have a sort of [SPEAKER_02]: not formula but kind of like I bring in my personal story and how it relates to it and then I say the name of the film and the genre and introduce the protagonist and I say description and then story math I make sure that's the opposite of the setting because that's conflict and the other main characters and then just one or two things about the plot and then then my pitch is to the tone of the story I'm telling [SPEAKER_02]: So since grief camp is like, it's still fantasy adventure kind of fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to make sure to add those sort of elements into the pitch.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this is just me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I'm maybe outlier, but I really enjoy the prop.

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like it feels really exciting to be able to tell.

[SPEAKER_02]: The stories I want to tell in a concise and engaging way to others.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I made the pitch dark.

[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of did the pitch.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I practiced, like, just like talked to people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, but I, this has always been me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted with a caveat.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this is normal.

[SPEAKER_02]: This has been me.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's kindergarten.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I am, like, you guys seem like they were her soul by Nathan Filder.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I, like, if I can go to a place, it says, like, feel something like blocking the evening.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I just do the people who think this is not normal.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is just my anxiety and also I have a lot of fun like doing this.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this is not the norm.

[SPEAKER_02]: My personal problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, no.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you build tips on in your own and before you came over?

[SPEAKER_02]: What?

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when I didn't come, I can't draw.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I bought Legos and I built a Lego set of the set.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I should be doing that everywhere I go to.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, a Lego and I'm like, I will stand here.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I will stay here here here.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it kind of feels like a pitch kind of feels like you're a little not all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like an actor's monologue very stand up situation.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think practice more practice the better.

[SPEAKER_02]: I practice this pitch before I went there and like I took out a lot of stuff because [SPEAKER_02]: some parts were of confusing or didn't hit or like, but you know, so I kept in the things that I think people were engaged with, they're understood the story, that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so I did a lot of crap.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had my thing, and whenever I got there, too imaginative, I think I got there the night before, and I did actually go to this face before.

[SPEAKER_02]: and practice the night before, and then they, uh, would it all go?

[SPEAKER_02]: And then at that point, it practiced so much, so I'm like, okay, it's engrained in me, even if that's the first thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, that's my idea.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I prep a lot, and those are my processes, and that's what I do a lot, but I like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, oh, okay, this is like another weird thing, I don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I have, [SPEAKER_02]: I know that people can't see it, but for you guys, I have this mic.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, I'm had it since kindergarten, okay?

[SPEAKER_02]: So whenever I practice my pitch, like, even just to my cat, it's my cat, it's a lot of my practice audience.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll talk and just say, because I'm like, Ben, you're just listening to say it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is like, I'm like, I'm already getting animated with this, like, mic.

[SPEAKER_02]: It does something for me mentally.

[UNKNOWN]: That's actually good.

[UNKNOWN]: I like, [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, I've talked too much.

[SPEAKER_02]: I prep a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have a really weird problem about it all, but I enjoy it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It works again.

[SPEAKER_05]: The reward, like you're able to really deliver.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's better than having no process at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, sometimes I would argue, maybe it's okay to not have one.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I envy the type you relax people.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, yeah, like, this is my story.

[SPEAKER_02]: Take it or leave it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, because, like, that's hard.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just, I don't speak out of jealousy because, like, because people have their own methods.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, they do.

[SPEAKER_05]: They do.

[SPEAKER_05]: They do.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's, that's, they're so lucky.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a, I really like what you said though like being in that space because I think like when you're familiar with like familiarize yourself with like this area and like you know what to expect.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not as like intimidating, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: Because I think the only thing you have to like have in the back of your mind is like all the new faces.

[SPEAKER_05]: But like if you couldn't know this is where I'm standing, this is where I'm going to be and this is how I'm going to talk and this is where everyone's, it makes it a lot more like you're telling you're prepping for it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then [SPEAKER_05]: It's just that is more relaxing.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't I don't think there's anything weird at that.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if anything like that's it's that's great.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's in regards to like I guess with mine it's I think I have a thing where I like I let people know back then I did it if I was nervous I would just stutter no you know I'm not just nervous that when I'm excited like I started I am like hyper and just a lot of energy and like [SPEAKER_05]: I think in my mind, I have to like tell myself to like watch what you say, calm your words.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then the people know like, like, I'm a little bit nervous, but there it is.

[SPEAKER_05]: And after that, it's like, okay, like, I already shown myself to the world.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like now I can just like, if I mess up, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I think like with the pitch deck, like I like to prepare to, I like, like, even like back home to, I'm kind of the one that like said, like, make the dinner with like family because they're very spontaneous, which they appreciate.

[SPEAKER_05]: But it's like sometimes organizing the fun can be fun.

[SPEAKER_05]: But like yeah, with the pitch deck, it was nice that they provided a template.

[SPEAKER_05]: And at first, I actually made the mistake.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was making my own pitch, pitch deck through Canada.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I spent like days just trying to like do certain things and like realizing like, oh, I could just like send it to them and they would take care of it.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I had that situation, but like I think [SPEAKER_05]: creating it, physically and writing it, that's easy.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's more talking to people because I think for me, it's, which is a strength, if I can gauge people's energy sometimes, but like I think when you have to like repeat it over and over and then you capture self doing like, oh, I talk about this a little bit more too much or like I didn't talk about this enough and like I, it's like scribbles in my mind.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's what's going on and I have to just like calm down and just [SPEAKER_05]: Let them get to know me first and then they'll judge me later.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like it's, yeah, the methods are weird.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's strange how, yeah, having a script, I think we'll be really nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not like you had one sounds like it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I think even like a mentally like when we're talking about the story so much like it's not something brand new I think it's just more I don't I guess because I'm always wondering like how do people talk about their pitches so confidently and how people like it's so nervous even though they've been [SPEAKER_05]: so seasoned with the story and I think it just comes down to like in a weird way like people you're showing yourself to people you're showing your baby and like I think that's the element that I sometimes forget and that's why I use I tell people like I'm nervous because if once I say that it's like like then I could start talking about everything else that I've been like so acquainted with the whole year [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because it's definitely, it's a skill.

[SPEAKER_05]: And again, going back to Sabrina, you were having that workshop.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, like, you are one of the, like, to me, a perfect person to be helping others with that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Because even just your delivery, even, like, and you said, and you know what, you say, like, you've been talking about this the whole time.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're having the micro meetings and like the pitch open reception.

[SPEAKER_05]: But like, even then, it was just like, you were, like, Ryan the moment and you did it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I remember it was me and Katie.

[SPEAKER_05]: We were just like to be down and you just like, [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I don't know, it was...

You know, I think it's an art.

[SPEAKER_05]: Talking, having to pitch your pitch and showing a pitch deck to others.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's an art and it's so...

Thank you so much.

[SPEAKER_05]: I want you with me all the time.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're like the best hatred.

[SPEAKER_05]: I will go there and be like, this is the part.

[SPEAKER_05]: This is the part you got to hold.

[SPEAKER_05]: My dish is here.

[UNKNOWN]: It's...

Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, answer your question.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, honestly, I think this is how it is.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, when I met Sabrina, it was like, we were talking.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I love it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was, yeah, I mean, Natalie too.

[SPEAKER_05]: Natalie, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's a part of having the pictures learning to be comfortable to talk a lot.

[SPEAKER_05]: But at least get into those key points.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have like bullet points, like I have like, okay, like I don't map out every single word I'm going to say, but I do have bullet points of like things to hit.

[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes whenever I do say it, I do skip it, like either by accident or maybe that person's not interested, or maybe they're really interested in a little bit more detail, but I will kind of like like, like how my bullet points and all adjust her, the situation I'm in.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's wise advice because also, I mean, people's interest will win and you'll start to realize they're more interested in this other aspect or whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's good to be able to navigate and then also in the future you're going to be pitching against different kinds of people.

[SPEAKER_00]: It would be interesting for different reasons.

[SPEAKER_00]: You want all of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there is a comfort that comes with pitching and [SPEAKER_00]: It's good that this particular circumstance places you in the practice of it, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: And all of you are at a similar place where you're trying to figure out the career and figure out these next moves.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's good that we guys as a cohort can have each other for support because you're only going to get better as you keep doing in all of your and you can also be there for support for some helpful critique.

[SPEAKER_00]: and see the development and talk about that development, because it's hard to see where you've come sometimes without other people seeing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's all great.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's what I like too, it's just because I didn't run into anybody that was pretentious.

[SPEAKER_05]: There are people who are really good and they're human about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I like.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think in a way, our community, we're known to cut through that bullshit sometimes.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know if I was supposed to get a sorry.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's mild.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's just because it's like coming in there immediately and very new to the space and [SPEAKER_05]: seeing, again, how genuine people are about the process.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's not like they're like, oh, there's just the style you have to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: And this is how it's done.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I perfected it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, no, it's like being human about it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, it's, I think that's what it is.

[SPEAKER_05]: If I had any advice for anybody, it's just like to really also be yourself because I think like that's what people even just funders, like producers like their gravatory [SPEAKER_05]: Not just, I might be in my wrong, but it's not just a story.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like the person to create a behind it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it gets a feel because I think like anytime and film, I've been lucky where I've been on sets where it's like everybody just got along, even on stressful shooting days.

[SPEAKER_05]: And like in that really translates on the person who created the story, you know, like being able to like their personality is in that project.

[SPEAKER_05]: It just makes the process a lot more fun.

[SPEAKER_05]: So the pitch is not just a story itself.

[SPEAKER_05]: the person who made it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's definitely true.

[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing I heard from both of these pitches from both of you is that there's a closeness to the material, like an emotional closeness and sort of a spiritual closeness to it, which I think differentiates it from like, I don't know, and I'm not indigenous focused pitch session.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that [SPEAKER_00]: brings with it some sense of vulnerability, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's so important and personal, there's something at stake if you do the pitch in a way that it's going to not be the best for the project, because the project has more at stake.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just like a product.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not just something to get made because it's going to be entertaining.

[SPEAKER_00]: The material is serving a larger purpose and and little barrier talking about being nervous that you want to do something right for the project and maybe that's why you're not going to direct it right now because there's some larger significance you see and there's sort of a I feel like there's an indigenous respect you have toward the material.

[SPEAKER_00]: and maybe you and what the material are not at the same place yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like one day you might be and maybe that's the day you direct it, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's also, I feel like that's all indigenous thinking really.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't play around when it comes to our elders.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, yeah, that's what it is.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I, not that I couldn't have fun with it, but it's like, there's so much responsibility.

[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like it's, I was always told that things that you say, it's like, our words carry medicine, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like the things that we do carry medicine.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so like, even this to me, it was medicine.

[SPEAKER_05]: I cried.

[SPEAKER_05]: I laughed.

[SPEAKER_05]: I got angry writing this.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like it was all this.

[SPEAKER_05]: And like, [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, it's just the idea of seeing it this like with my own eyes it being made and for others to like share that and again potentially be medicine on its own for somebody else like like that it's like responsibility like I don't like because I am a new filmmaker I want to make sure that if this project was to be developed very like quickly like I want to make sure that I'm there and and I will be there at some capacity for sure it's just more of like for me it's like [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's not just for entertainment.

[SPEAKER_05]: This was something healing for people in my community and people who, again, who I've experienced with.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, I think that's just what I just care about so much.

[SPEAKER_05]: And like, not that I wouldn't do a justice.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, also to it's like, I want to work with other people.

[SPEAKER_05]: I love that's what I love about film.

[SPEAKER_05]: You get to meet so many different types of people and hang out with them for however long the shoot is.

[SPEAKER_05]: and be able to have that.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, it's really, really beautiful.

[SPEAKER_05]: And this, my, my story, Sabrina's story, like, there's just its beautiful work.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I think, like, that's what it is, is like, we want to be able to like, I don't want to speak for your Sabrina, but like, I know for a fact, like, we want to have people involved in, like, letter basically, but we're also benefiting from that medicine that we're giving for each other.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: All those words are really important.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is a aspect to our creation.

[SPEAKER_00]: And his medicine is always linked to a lot of our art forms.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I keep trying to bring this observation to things that we see that are medicine cinema.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that you're talking about this is critically important part of the whole process, not just in the movie, is it healing in some way, but the process of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: it's making.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's all really important and that's stuff that you need to take seriously and you're doing it and that's admirable.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's great to hear.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's this thing that I've noticed working with that center and screening all the films for sunrise and stuff and then doing interviews at Dead Center is that our indigenous film community is so wonderful.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just [SPEAKER_03]: I can feel a different energy when I'm around all of our indigenous filmmakers than when I'm on set with non-indigenous filmmakers because I've heard the name drop game so much.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just exhausting.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then when we're all hanging out and we're just talking about like this and our elders and our family stories and sharing a laugh and teasing each other and [SPEAKER_03]: It just, oh, it makes my heart happy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's wonderful.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm so glad that you guys are getting these opportunities to continue to build this community and continue to tell stories the way we want us tell stories, that we need to tell stories so that we can keep building ourselves up, giving ourselves more confidence, not just here, but in government, in our communities.

[SPEAKER_03]: in business so that we just keep thriving and rising tide lifts all boats.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we're in good hands.

[SPEAKER_03]: So what's next?

[SPEAKER_03]: I know everybody hates that question.

[SPEAKER_03]: So Sabrina has her short that's making the festival rounds and a little bit of what are you working on?

[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I have, I'm actually going to be shooting my short film and I'm a bogist.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm, it's going to be here in the bay.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm, yeah, I'm, that's the thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: I actually, I love pre-production.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's just a lot.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot.

[SPEAKER_05]: And because we're getting so close, we're actually going to have our table read tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_05]: with all the actors through Zoom.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's just the like, last minute notes on the scripts and yeah, it's really excited.

[SPEAKER_05]: That is exciting.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I have my short film that I did with vision makers.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's getting, well, I've submitted to different film festivals.

[SPEAKER_05]: So like, I'm trying to like do it towards like a lot of my core film festivals because I did it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a thriller.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I'll make sure to actually send you guys a link so that way you guys can see us.

[SPEAKER_05]: As long as I know you guys got scared, let me know.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a couple of jump scares.

[SPEAKER_05]: I just want to get people with.

[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I should have said anything.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I always like to know when the jump scares are coming.

[SPEAKER_01]: I beat up warning.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a whore person.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm already scared.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was just like, like, October.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I'm so excited.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm so nervous.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, I was so nervous.

[SPEAKER_00]: I meant to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Bring it on.

[SPEAKER_03]: The brain, where is your film showing next?

[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of festivals, so holy shorts.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm super stoked about that one.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then Montreal, first people's festival.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then pathways are expressible during Indian market, which I'm so stoked for.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then a festival in Portland called Portland Festival of Cinema Animation Technology.

[SPEAKER_02]: And a few others that I can't publicly announce yet.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just over the moon that people are seeing the film.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I get to see with an audience.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, those are the, those are the upcoming ones.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if they want to see where you're announcing next, where should they follow you on socials?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm mostly active on Instagram.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can follow me at Sabrina Suleha.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been really behind.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it will make it there.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I also have an Instagram for my short film Legend of Priority.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to, like, also follow my production company, it's called Your Sister Menna.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Menna is like, what my brother, that was the nickname he gave me when I was little, because he couldn't pronounce his R.

So he said Menna.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that my production company, I feel like it's at the end of every film because it's like a love letter to my brother and how I honor his memory.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like when you see the end of the film, your sister Mena, it's like a little animation.

[SPEAKER_02]: The logo is a silhouette of my brother and I, the last photo we took, and then the animation has like the first time he ever said like Mena when I was like really young.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, follow your sister, men, and legend for our routine if you want to, but if you just want to follow one follow my personal ads, bring us leave off.

[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe you a little bear, where can we follow you?

[SPEAKER_05]: You can find me on Ollie fans.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's hard.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've watched Joey Cliff like dedicated to promoting power all over the world and I'm like, how does he have the energy to do all that?

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the energy and the resources and it's just constant.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, I have one final question for everybody.

[SPEAKER_03]: What are you reading, watching, listening to or consuming in some way that is inspiring you right now?

[SPEAKER_03]: You can get first.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm writing my feature for my horror film.

[SPEAKER_05]: What I like to do is I watch certain films that are kind of like that helps me inspire like with the with the news and stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: I've been listening to a lot of like a lot of folk rock music for my film that I'm working on for the end of the August.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I've been watching a lot of classics lately for my horror feature.

[SPEAKER_05]: I've been I watched the attention so mascara the first one.

[SPEAKER_05]: The thing is just something inspired me because those are the things I actually inspired me to be involved in films.

[SPEAKER_05]: So [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to that, like, again, watching a lot of horror classics.

[SPEAKER_05]: I listen to all the rocks, so, nineties, especially more about you, Superman.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, why don't know if it's inspiring me for my next project.

[SPEAKER_02]: My next project, I want to do more of a music film, but I haven't really been doing that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess just some things I've been watching adults, it's like this FX comedy and overcompensating.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like quintessential millennial humor, so funny, so great.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also love that both of those shows, like, this series, right, series aren't, like, a lot of series per se, and they're all like incredible.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love seeing like an ensemble that are [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've been coming actors in that way and I just feel like it would capture the video humor.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I finally get to watch the pit.

[SPEAKER_02]: I people had been talking about that show.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been going around to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I watched it in a day.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I was, I felt like I was doing the shift like with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like, it's not like, it's just a chance.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I, so am I.

It's probably the only way to truly experience it, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like based on what they, and I'm like, I felt like I went to medical school.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a New York doctor.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm putting that on my LinkedIn.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like one shift.

[SPEAKER_02]: I did on the pain.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was right there.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that show was so cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: I really, like, I know there's a lot of medical dramas, but I really like the approach of like having one shift in it was [SPEAKER_02]: incredible.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then last night I've been into squid games and I'm just now like starting the new season.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had to stop after season two because I got so it was like riling me up.

[SPEAKER_02]: So sad and mad.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I need to go to bed.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a spoiler.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I was like, no, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and then books I'm reading, I like to read Mirror Call me.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's been my go to other.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like the type of writing that's like, [SPEAKER_02]: You're a dreaming with your eyes open.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, you know.

[SPEAKER_05]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm reading Sputnik's sweetheart right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's been fun, which I need to read after like, you know, like, squid games.

[SPEAKER_02]: That like makes me so, like, proud of.

[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's when I, that's what I've been watching.

[SPEAKER_05]: What, what about you guys?

[SPEAKER_05]: Angela, sometimes.

[SPEAKER_03]: You guys are watching.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I got cut up on the gilded age.

[SPEAKER_03]: and the Sandman and the Great British Sewing Bee.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_00]: What is that on?

[SPEAKER_00]: The Great.

[SPEAKER_03]: On Roku Channel.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that Roku?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I like to sew.

[SPEAKER_03]: I made bags as my little native outlet.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so while I'm measuring and matching and cutting and sewing, I watch them measure and match and cut and sew.

[SPEAKER_03]: How she sounds relaxing.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is so relaxing.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're also nice to each other and everybody's just like, oh, you're doing so good.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if somebody's running behind, it's just like the great British pick-off.

[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody needs help.

[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody runs over and helps them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just very supportive and lovely.

[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Sandman has been really good so far the second season has been really good so far.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I've enjoyed it a lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's like Neil Gaiman, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever read any of the original Sandman stuff?

[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't read the comics, but I've heard good things about them.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'd rather watch a show than read a comic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_03]: Don't cancel me.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm canceled.

[SPEAKER_00]: pre-uncanceled.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know what?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, there's some that speak to others, but like, there's some adaptions up those and shows that are better than even some in the writing material or that, oh, the comics, excuse me.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I don't think I've ever read a comment before.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm with you.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And not for everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's certainly for Matt Bars.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can keep up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: He and Tulia are comic nerds.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Matt Bars was telling me what like the whole history of fantastic four.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was impressive what he knew.

[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's a movie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: What about you, Senator?

[SPEAKER_00]: I watch too many things, but what I'll say is recently I've been watching a lot of, I don't know, like, who done it, but also like, you know, like, I get the Christie kind of movies or her cool parole, you know, there's like a big cast of characters and there's sort of like everybody's got their own motive, as well as golden on movies.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've just been trying to [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, they're brilliant.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think they can be brilliant.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them don't live up to what I, my memory of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just remembered them with a lot more energy.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's interesting.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been watching like a much foul play very recently.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I love foul play.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, foul play.

[SPEAKER_00]: It becomes her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, death becomes her is so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So first wife's club.

[SPEAKER_00]: First wife's club.

[SPEAKER_00]: We'll watch a little bit about that the other day.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably going to get protocol in any day now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the kind of stuff I've been watching.

[SPEAKER_03]: What was the football one?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it's wild cats.

[SPEAKER_03]: Was it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was the team name I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good one too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That one I've never seen actually.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Need to watch it.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's very private Benjaminie.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you aren't familiar with Goldie Han, watch the Goldie Han.

[SPEAKER_00]: You probably know her successor.

[SPEAKER_00]: and a ferris, really, and a ferris is the equivalent of holding on.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can see that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now you could see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I feel like that, I feel like that kind of personality is missing today.

[SPEAKER_00]: This sort of like, there's a little bit of goofiness, there's a lot of physicality and sort of, you know, like she's willing to do anything to make the joke work.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're missing that.

[SPEAKER_05]: The best people are the ones who can laugh at themselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's something very, there's something very modest and giving about that, you know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I guess we aren't really seeing a lot of physical comedy is right now, or we.

[SPEAKER_00]: All the physical stuff is like action right now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_03]: And welcome to our group chat.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is what we do in our group chat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you, too, for coming and taking the time out.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's great to hear what young people are making today and providing example and being inspirations.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's great to hear.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for having us.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_03]: And thanks for sharing all your pictures of Beyoncé's final concert.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, I'm like cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like here, part of like, you know, part of history, just like history in the making.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got to like witness.

[SPEAKER_02]: No big deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was like my weekend.

[SPEAKER_02]: That about what I'm watching.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, I better final cowboy Carter comes to make history with freaking deaths of your child.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's.

[SPEAKER_03]: I draw a drop when I saw that your picture.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was just like, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: I and so but it's like she had.

[SPEAKER_02]: two shows on Friday and Saturday and we like met people that were going to Friday and I'm like, I can't even imagine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would be so mad so Joe.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, be appreciative.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like mother Beyonce.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like also we got Justin's child.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, anyone I said, my friend Johnny, he was there the night before and opted to not go.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you must be that healthy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, Johnny, but I'm not actually sorry because I got to see it, but I got to see it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I got to see history and it was like killed like my inner child.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was, you know, amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, thanks for watching.

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