1 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,880 Hi there and welcome to the Guns Magazine 2 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,440 Presents the Guns Podcast, U.S sponsored by Ruger. 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,800 I'm your host and the editor of guns magazine, Brent Wheat. 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,240 Thanks for joining us here on one of the world's 5 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:28,720 biggest gun talk programs, audio and video chat with the NRA 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,280 folks about the interesting stuff that makes up the world of shooting. 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,920 And as I mentioned, we have a great sponsor on board River. 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,480 And here's a quick word from them. 9 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:41,880 Looking for a firearm that's rugged, reliable and built in America. 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,600 Ruger firearms has been trusted by shooters for generations, 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,840 offering everything from hunting rifles to everyday carry handguns. 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Whether you're on the range in the field or protecting your home, 13 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:55,160 Ruger delivers durability and performance you can count on. 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:56,520 Discover the full lineup, 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,120 explore new releases, and see why Ruger continues to set the standard. 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,880 Visit Ruger today. 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Well joining me today is okay. 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,160 This is a big shocker. 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,840 It's Roy Huntington. 20 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,200 Hey Roy thanks for joining us yet again. 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,040 Who'd have thought, You thought exactly. 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Well, we, we've got a good topic today. 23 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,640 I think it's one that, 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,080 we were talking before we hit start, that it'll either inspire love or hate. 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,240 There's this one of those things. 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,080 It's kind of polarizing in the shooting world, and that is pistol 27 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,320 caliber carbines. 28 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:36,320 I know that, I in my, 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,640 estimation, Roy, I think 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,000 PK's pistol caliber carbines kind of hit a high watermark 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,840 like five ish years ago, and they're still out there. 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,840 And I know Ruger makes some and there's others, but, 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,320 I think they're not the new hotness that they were when when suddenly, 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,760 you know, suddenly they got rediscovered by maybe the gun media, but, 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,280 where do you think pistol caliber carbine set in the world today? 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,240 Well, you know, I, I agree with you too, though. 37 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,480 Although there's a lot of pistol 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,880 caliber carbines out there, but they tend to fly under the radar 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,280 because the darling of everybody are these little short barreled AR platforms. 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Yeah. 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,800 No eight inch barrels, ten inch barrels, which are really, really cool. 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,880 And two, you shoot one with no ear protection on, you know, 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,560 and I mean, it's like if you do that, then you need to have a suppressor on it. 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,440 I mean, especially if it's a home defense gun. 45 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,440 I mean, forget it. 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,760 You know, you're an reminded of the old. 47 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:36,000 Yeah. 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 The old Manfred man blinded by the light. 49 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,240 If you've shot a, short barrel carbine with with most ammo in the dark. 50 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,120 Yeah. It'll kill. 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,480 You'll be blind. You'll be deaf. 52 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,600 Other than that, you're you're perfectly ready to rock and roll. 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,240 Well, I mean, I've shot guns in the dark specifically to to figure that out. 54 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:01,080 And, you know, if you shoot a nine millimeter pistol 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,600 caliber carbine, especially if you use subsonic ammunition, 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,320 it works pretty darn good at night time. 57 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,040 You know, it doesn't it doesn't blow your eyes out. 58 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:11,520 It doesn't. 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,440 You know, it's another reason why I don't like ports, though, on defensive guns. 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Because people say you can't see the flame at night time. 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,520 But I beg to differ with you. 62 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,560 I certainly have seen it, you know, and you get that kind of blind thing 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,880 going on. So. Yeah. 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,560 But yeah. Pistol caliber carbines, I think. 65 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Let's talk about home defense because, 66 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,200 you know, I there's 67 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,400 Clint Smith used to do a, a car being, you know, a home defense carbine. 68 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,640 A lot of people showed up with pistol, pistol caliber carbines. 69 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,480 And and I think the biggest thing I learned there is that in their in 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,440 your mind, in most people's minds, if they're not real familiar with this 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,280 is they think, well, if I have a rifle in my house, 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,200 you know, it's going to get in the way, I'm going to bang the doors. 73 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,960 And then if I go around a corner, he'll grab the muzzle. 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,160 You know which Clint is funny. 75 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,120 You goes cool, pull the trigger. 76 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:09,600 I'm like. 77 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,120 Exactly, you know. 78 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Oh yeah, you've got the other end here. 79 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,000 You know the flash? 80 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,960 He did. He aimed it for you, you know. Yeah. 81 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,400 But and so and that's how I was, I thought, 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,160 well, you know, why would you have that? 83 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,400 I mean, I was a strong proponent for short barreled eight 70s or side by side 84 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,280 shotguns, but they're the same length, you know, essentially. 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,000 And so I think Clint demonstrated it very well for everybody, 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,560 like within five minutes of the first day was he said no. 87 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,560 At the time, we didn't have short guns. 88 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,760 I mean, you know, yeah, the Swat teams had him and stuff, 89 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,480 but if you had an AR 15, it was a 16 inch barrel rifle. And, 90 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,440 so he said, 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,640 okay, you hold your rifle up and shoulder it. 92 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,360 And so somebody did. 93 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,880 And then he took somebody else and stood him shoulder to shoulder with him. 94 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,400 And he said, now put your handgun out at arm's 95 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,400 distance as if you're aiming. 96 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,920 And lo and behold, I mean, the muscles were 97 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,040 yeah, the muscles were virtually right next to each other. 98 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,320 And, and it's like, well, I didn't think about that, you know. 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:21,840 Exactly. 100 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:24,720 And. Well, and and I know the argument. 101 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Well, yeah, I shoot for retention. 102 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Well, yes, you can shoot from retention. 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,960 You can shoot from retention position with a shoulder arm. 104 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,560 But that's not typically the optimal, thing most of the time, 105 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,560 no matter what foundation or style isosceles and what it doesn't 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,240 matter, the muzzle of your pistol is going to be out that same distance. 107 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,480 So that's something to think about. 108 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,800 It's really true. 109 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,440 You know, people say, oh, well, I always use my sights and stuff, 110 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,280 you know, but no, you don't actually usually your sights 111 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,120 usually in a defensive shooting because you're just like, 112 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,960 oh my God, you put the gun out and do that. 113 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,400 And I agree with you about the rifles. You you. 114 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Unless you train like son of a gun, 115 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,600 you are going to shoulder the gun as you aim it because your mind 116 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,120 wants to be the best it can be and the best you can be with a shoulder 117 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,600 gun is aiming it the way you, you know, or at least indexing over the top of it. 118 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,000 And, I think, I think the biggest thing for a pistol caliber carbine, 119 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,600 for a home defense situation, 120 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,600 I think it's it's perfect for a novice shooter. 121 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,560 You know, go get yourself one of the Ruger 122 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,720 PC carbines in nine millimeter or whatever caliber you want. 123 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,240 Doesn't matter, you know, or you pick the one you like. 124 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:40,800 Doesn't matter. 125 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,200 You want a nine millimeter AR style pistol caliber carbine, do that, too. 126 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,760 And, because what it does and I tried to get my agency 127 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,120 to go to the very first generation of Ruger Ruger pistol caliber rifles. 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,720 Remember when they came out, they were, you know, nine millimeters, 129 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,800 and everyone looked and sneered and said, that's stupid, 130 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:04,080 you know, and it's not an AR 15 and it's not. 131 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:05,200 And that's all true. 132 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,200 It it was never intended to Burr rifle. 133 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,640 What I tried to make them understand was it's just a more accurate 134 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,560 system to deliver your handgun ammunition. 135 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,920 You know, it's as simple as that. 136 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,920 That's all it is, you know? 137 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,080 And I kept the lost count of the number of times 138 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,240 I've had somebody in there shooting their revolver or their semi-auto pistol 139 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,240 when they're having a lot of trouble 140 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,240 and barely keeping it on the silhouette at ten yards or something. 141 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,440 And just to get them to calm down, I'll give them like a nine millimeter 142 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,400 carbine or something, or a 22 does matter what, just a little rifle. 143 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,600 And suddenly they're hitting the target like exactly 144 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,400 where they need to be shooting it. 145 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,920 And it instills us some confidence. 146 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,960 And and it's like they don't want to let go of it. 147 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,040 You know, when you say, now let's go back and shoot the handgun, 148 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,880 they go, well, no, actually I like this one a lot, you know. 149 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Yeah. 150 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,080 So, well, you know, the whole idea of, 151 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,800 pistol caliber carbine, it, it if you're, you're saying 152 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,400 you would choose the handgun in a defensive situation. 153 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,680 We've said it many, many times. 154 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,000 Clint Smith said that's the gun you grab or maybe have on you 155 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,840 to fight your way back to a rifle or shotgun that you would've chosen 156 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,120 if you knew the confrontation was coming. 157 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,680 So, you know, everything has its place, but I think, you know, 158 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,120 really trying to boil this down is for everybody that just, 159 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,480 it takes it for granted 160 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,200 that a, a AR 15 or a shorty air, 161 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,000 you know, pistol brace type thing is the way to go. 162 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,440 And, you know, really, what we're just trying to say is that's a that's a choice. 163 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,120 It's a decent choice for a lot of folks. 164 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,200 But don't count out the pistol caliber carbine, because what you said, 165 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,840 you know, just, 166 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,840 you get all the same advantages of the shoulder fired weapon, 167 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,120 when you take handgun ammo and put it down a longer tube, 168 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,640 dramatic increases in, velocity and, 169 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,280 terminal ballistics and, you don't have all that flash and bang 170 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,200 that, it is something especially middle of the night, so. 171 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,200 Well, you know, 172 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 one of the things we're going to hear in the comments, they're going to say, 173 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,600 well, I shoot a ten inch, you 174 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,600 know, a short barreled rifle, AR 15 or in 300 black powder. 175 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Doesn't matter. 176 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,000 Well, you know, some rifle caliber like that. 177 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,880 And my counter to that is, like you say, muzzle blast. 178 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,760 If they're sophisticated, then they have a suppressor. 179 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Then that's something different, right? 180 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,040 But the average person is not going to do that. 181 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,840 And so the and there's something to think about is 182 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,080 when you shorten a barrel like that for 2 to 3, you lose significant velocity. 183 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,120 And I've seen gel test where like a Ruger PC nine 184 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,840 carbine and a short barreled AR 15, we shoot them into gel 185 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,240 and the Ruger carbine penetrates twice as far, 186 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,040 you know, for 16 18in. 187 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,320 And while the other one goes 188 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,320 may be eight inches, sometimes, depending on the ammunition. 189 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,080 And people will say, well, then that will keep it from 190 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,200 going through two walls and killing the neighbor right? 191 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:10,320 I don't know, maybe. Maybe not. 192 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,600 It doesn't really matter, you know, 193 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,600 you shouldn't be shooting if you're in an apartment like that. 194 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,280 You need to rethink how you should defend yourself. 195 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,680 But, nobody wants to be shot by anything. 196 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,600 And I. 197 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,680 We, you know, we often tend to forget that is, 198 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:27,440 especially. 199 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,040 Yeah. I mean, they shot sucks. 200 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,640 Yeah. 201 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,840 And so, you know, if you have a, I don't know, a tailors and company 202 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,040 lever action model 92 in 3220. 203 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Guess what? 204 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,160 It'll work perfectly fine, you know. Yeah. 205 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,080 I mean, if you've got a whatever, it doesn't really matter. 206 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,320 You know, just get that rifle that you're comfortable with. 207 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,320 But right now, in today's market, 208 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,880 especially now when we're airing this, the firearms market is very flat. 209 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,640 So things are very affordable. 210 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,320 And I've no doubt in my mind you could go into your favorite local 211 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,960 gun shop or box store or something and walk out with a suitable pistol 212 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,040 caliber carbine of some flavor design that catches your eye. 213 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,040 And, and I promise you, if you have never shot a gun before in your life, 214 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,360 if you take that to the range and and get someone to show you how to load it 215 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,720 and where the safety is and how to be safe, 216 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,240 the first time you shoot it, you're going to hit the target, 217 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,120 you know, and I and if I hand you a Glock 218 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,680 that may or may not be the case, probably not going to be the case, you know. 219 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,120 So. Well, it's let me interrupt you there. 220 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,040 It's funny because you'll do the same thing with an AR the first time. 221 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,920 The second time you'll probably have a flinch or something. 222 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,480 If you've not shot because there's no recoil, obviously. 223 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,480 But, there's lots of other things happening. 224 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,920 And it to me, it always seems like the shooting impulse 225 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,000 from pull of trigger until everything's reset ready to go. 226 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,000 There's just a lot going on, you know, there's. 227 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,840 Oh, yeah, clicking and slamming and banging and of course, clang, clang. 228 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,480 And next to your ear though. Yeah. Yeah. Buffer to. Yeah. 229 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,600 So that's that's funny I, I never thought of that. 230 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,480 The for a novice shooter with an AR, it's the second shot 231 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,480 that I'll be interested to see where that goes. 232 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,600 You know, I was in San Diego one time, and we had gone back. 233 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,480 Let's see, we met the NSF there, 234 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,840 and we were co-hosting an event at a local range. 235 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,040 Indoor range. 236 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,600 And we invited local media 237 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,280 and, some of them, 238 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,120 a couple of the mainstream, you know, NBC kind of media showed up. 239 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,320 Whatever. Cub reporter. Right. 240 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,320 You know, they get that duty. 241 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,840 Yeah, but but there were 2 or 3 of the little regional magazines and, 242 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,000 you know, kind of liberally kind of newspaper, that kind of stuff showed up. 243 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,040 And so, so we went out and we, we talked about guns 244 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,640 and we introduced them to shooting. 245 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,680 And as I recall, really nobody had any experience. 246 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:00,040 And so we went out onto the line, and we had 247 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,480 police officer friends of ours who were firearms instructors. 248 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,720 And so they were taken the time to do that while we did our handshake and PR stuff. 249 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,040 And, so everybody shot 22 pistols. 250 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,760 Everybody thought it was great fun. 251 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,760 There was a lot of giggling and teehee and high fiving. 252 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,320 Right. Look, I'm shooting a real gun. 253 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,680 Yeah, that's a thing, right? 254 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:21,560 And then 255 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:24,640 I think I'm pretty sure we had some kind of 256 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,560 a, like a nine millimeter rifle, you know, like a Ruger or something, right? 257 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:28,800 Yeah. 258 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,800 And so they shot that a few, and everyone loved it. 259 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,400 Wow. Look, they're in the targets. 260 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,680 And you know, they're just high five and and running down 261 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:36,600 the other end of the range 262 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,600 and telling their girlfriend how good they did and ran back up. 263 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,800 So then they broke out the AR 15. 264 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,720 And they didn't shoot it first 265 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,000 like they didn't demonstrate it, which I thought was really funny. 266 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:50,280 Yeah. 267 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,600 Because if they demonstrated it, they probably would have gone, 268 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,600 I don't think I want to shoot that. Right. 269 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,000 But I remember watching this one little girl, she, 270 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,400 she loads it up and points down. Here's what you do. 271 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,680 And pull the trigger like this. 272 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,720 And it was bam, just like you said. 273 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,520 One shot. Yeah. 274 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,440 And then she puts the rifle down. 275 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,480 Her eyes get to be, you know, saucer size. 276 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,320 And she turns around and looks at us through the glass and, you know, 277 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,240 and I think, oh well, yeah. 278 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,800 How about they pretty that's it. 279 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,400 They pretty much know like shot at once or twice and like nobody wanted to do that. 280 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:25,000 Right. 281 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,920 They wonder can we shoot more of those 2000 guns. 282 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:29,760 You know. 283 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 So yeah. 284 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Wow. Yeah. 285 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,320 It's true. 286 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,680 And, you know, the funny thing is there's a lot of guys and. 287 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Okay, I'm going to address the fanboys who shouldn't be upset right now, 288 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,320 but they undoubtedly are the AR 15 fanboys. 289 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,240 I got to say, I've seen a lot of people 290 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,920 with really tricked out ears who can't shoot worth a damn 291 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,440 and that, you know, it's funny, like we've talked before, 292 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,400 you know, they'll dump an entire mag and they might go to do some slow fire. 293 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,400 And there's one and there's one over there. 294 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,160 And, well, you know, it's more fun to do this. 295 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,120 Well, it's like you can't hit, can you, buddy? 296 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,320 But you got you have $2,500 AR 297 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,560 with all the bells and whistles, including a laser designator. 298 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,240 So, yeah, you know. Yeah. 299 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,320 I just wanted to get our disclaimer in. 300 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,520 Well, we say it all the freaking time, and it doesn't seem to get through. 301 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,040 We're not against ours. I got a whole closet full of mine. 302 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,160 No, Roy does, but we're just saying there are other options, so go ahead, Roy. 303 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,560 Well, and 304 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,880 rightfully, we have to say the same thing about a Glock. 305 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,240 You know, there are people who own Glocks or SIGs or it doesn't matter 306 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,440 what they are and they can hit anything worth being either, you know, and I yeah. 307 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,360 Because I think it's so it's all just really a matter of, of training and stuff. 308 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,080 It, I mean, if you're, if you insist that your very first rifle is 309 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,840 needs to be, for instance, an AR 15 or some other, you know, 310 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,160 some AK or Val met or, you know, something like that. 311 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,840 And you choose not to get any training, then you'll fumble your way through it. 312 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,640 It will probably eventually go off and it'll be really loud, 313 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,000 and you'll shoot some ammunition and not hit the target, and then you'll 314 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,160 have to clean up your brass, 315 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,480 and then you'll kind of wonder what all that was about, you know? 316 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Was that fun or was it not fun? I'm not really sure. 317 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,720 You know, it's not like on video games where they go poopy. 318 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:28,640 Poopy, poopy. 319 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Area. 320 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,200 Everybody runs all around. It's not at all like that. 321 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,040 So, yeah. 322 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,040 You know, I think I have, Smith and Wesson. 323 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,440 I forget what they call them there, though. 324 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,480 It's like a slightly smaller AR 15, but it's a 22 long rifle, right? 325 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,520 You know? 326 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:45,000 Yeah. 327 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,440 And I remember when they launched it, I thought, man, you guys are smart, 328 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:55,120 you know, because all the controls are exactly the same as an AR 15. 329 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,200 And I encourage 330 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,400 we were doing American Cop then, and I, I encourage Swat teams to invest 331 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,160 in some of these guns because it's cheap and easy to train with it. 332 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,280 All of the manual arms is exactly the same, you know, 333 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,560 and and they did 334 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,600 I think a lot of Swat agencies did do that and maybe still do, 335 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,680 but I so I have one of these guns and frankly, I keep it by the front door. 336 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,760 It's got a green laser on it. 337 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,400 And two flashlights. 338 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,120 And I think the magazines are 30 rounds. 339 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:33,120 I keep 20 rounds in it just because it's easier and it's very reliable. 340 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:39,040 But yeah, we we are overrun with gray squirrels and too many raccoons 341 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,320 and armadillos and coyotes and you name it. 342 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,440 And we have them. Right. 343 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,760 And so usually it's, you know, you go outside to let the dog out at night. 344 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:51,800 You've been to my house. 345 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,720 I've got this huge past pasture right there. Right. 346 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,560 And, you go outside, you see the dogs, 347 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,920 you know, hackles go up and they start growling and looking out there. 348 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,120 So I just step back inside and grab this little rifle and, 349 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,400 you know, light up my west pasture. 350 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,480 And sure enough, there's, you know, Mr. 351 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,360 Armadillo out there digging holes. 352 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,680 And so, you know, you 353 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,680 light him up with the laser and squeeze the trigger that solves your problem. 354 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:21,000 And so, I guess I guess the point I was trying to make is that 355 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,320 different guns have different jobs. 356 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,680 And if you really do want to do this, if you're determined to have an AR 15 357 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,240 or rifle caliber, as a home defense, can I really recommend 358 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,920 get yourself like a Ruger 1022 or 1 of these Smith and Wesson models? 359 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,160 You know, styles and, cut your teeth on that. 360 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,480 You really need to, you know, because you may go 361 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,400 by, you know, really, I don't really like this after all. 362 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,080 You know, I think I'd rather have a handgun. 363 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,080 But that's a good way for you to just whet your whistle. 364 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,640 And the other good thing about that is if you decide. 365 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,360 Yes, I do want to move on. 366 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,560 You'll still have a cool gun that I promise 367 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,880 you'll still get a lot of use out of. 368 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,280 Exactly. 369 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,800 Well, you know, I was thinking back to the first time I saw I shot a, Ruger PC 370 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,080 carbine, and, I'd seen it for a while, and I finally got my hands on one. 371 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,160 And the first time I shot it was like, that's nice. 372 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,280 I like that I can do good work with that because recoil, minimal, 373 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,120 report is minimal. They they run, 374 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,720 there's no, the. 375 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,240 It's weird to say this, but I really believe this. 376 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,400 It's a low stress gun. Does that make sense? 377 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,120 No, it's a good way to. 378 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,280 Yeah, it's it's an accurate, low stress gun. 379 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,200 When. Yeah. 380 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,880 When they when the police department that I was on San Diego finally decided. 381 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,160 Gee, I have an idea. 382 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Let's try these Ruger carbines out after all, 383 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,160 because as they were teaching people on the range in people, 384 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,480 they just took to them, you know, they loved them. And. 385 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,440 Yeah, and I remember it was really funny because if if there were four police cars 386 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,920 stopped on some hot call, well, there were four Ruger carbines in people's 387 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,400 hands, you know, because they knew that they were going to hit better with it. 388 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,760 They were going to be more accurate. 389 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,400 You know, you're getting better velocity out of there. 390 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,680 Duty issued duty rounds. 391 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,280 And, and so it's really funny. 392 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,360 I remember seeing a few dos pictures of San Diego police respond to a, 393 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,320 you know, a robbery alarm someplace, and there'll be six police 394 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,640 cars out there and six 395 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,120 policemen leaning over hoods with Ruger PC, nine carbines. 396 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,320 Right. 397 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,280 And and interestingly, though, because, you know, and because, you know, this too, 398 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,120 is that if three cops open up on a bad guy 399 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,120 and the cops are using their handguns, 400 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,520 well, nowadays they'll shoot 150 rounds. 401 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,840 But I mean, though, you know, let's say realistically, 402 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,960 they shoot 20 times between them. 403 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,120 Well, they'll probably hit like on a really, really, really good day. 404 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,120 You know, they might hit half of those. 405 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,920 I mean that would be exceptional right. 406 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,760 Maybe I was pretty close. 407 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Well boy the stats started coming in and I remember seeing a video. 408 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,160 It was three San Diego cops. 409 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,600 They had the PC nine carbines. 410 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,960 All three of them opened up on a guy at about maybe 15 yards. 411 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Right. 412 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,280 A lot of rounds went downrange. 413 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,040 No misses. 414 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,080 Oh, my. 415 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,080 Wow. You know. Bad day for bad guy. 416 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:27,560 Well, yeah. 417 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,040 He went down like a bucket of bolts, right. 418 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,000 But, but. 419 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,840 I mean, hello. 420 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,440 You know, the point is. 421 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:35,680 Yeah. 422 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,840 What is the old adage that there's a lawyer attached to every bullet 423 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:43,240 you know, that you fire, and, And it was just astound. 424 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,560 I mean, we were all just, you know, some of us were saying, 425 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,080 I told you, I told you, I told you, you know, but. 426 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:54,280 And the nefarious thing happened, though, is that after that, the people, the real 427 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,120 shooters, the the Swat guys and all that, they they wanted a real rifle. 428 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,040 They wanted an AR 15. 429 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200 I didn't want this pistol stuff. 430 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,280 It's not a rifle. 431 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,240 It won't go through a bulletproof vest. 432 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,400 And, which is all of that's true. 433 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,520 And it was never intended to do any of that kind of stuff, but. 434 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Yeah. 435 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Yeah, but if you're salmon, Suzy Homemaker, and you're at home 436 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,080 and you have one of these guns, well, then you're perfectly armed. 437 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,160 Boy howdy, as they say. 438 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,160 And I got to tell you my own use case. 439 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,400 I've talked about it a lot that I keep 440 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,480 a handgun next to the, in the nightstand, 441 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,240 in a suitable locked, but quickly releasable container under the bed I have. 442 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,600 I actually just did a piece that I think is either out 443 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,440 or soon will be out on guns magazine.com about the Remington 444 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,160 887 I don't remember if you if you remember those. 445 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,240 Roy, I liked them. 446 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,600 A lot of people didn't other than they've got the, the 447 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,120 worst design feature of a modern firearm. 448 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,640 The, the Remington finger guillotine, where, 449 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,960 the four end came all the way back past the trigger guard. 450 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,680 So when you went to release the action or you had your finger straight, 451 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,200 you might have a problem. 452 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,200 So anyway, long story short, that's the gun that sets under my side 453 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,400 of the bed. 454 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,360 However, I now have a Ruger ten millimeter 455 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,480 PC carbine and I think that's going to join it. 456 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,240 I don't know that I'll take the shotgun out of there 457 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,320 because mainly the hands up to the wife, but, 458 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,280 no, I think that PC carbine kind of hits the sweet spot. 459 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,280 It's it's, as you know, 460 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,840 light, nimble, 461 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,840 easy to handle gun, like I said, a low stress kind of gun 462 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,040 and that ten millimeter, you know, I've shot a lot of ten millimeters. 463 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,360 They can be a handful. 464 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,920 They can be a challenge, especially follow up shots. 465 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,640 I've not, I've not seen that quite so much with the ten millimeter carbine. 466 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,400 It it it kicks more than you think it would for 467 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,440 because it's just a handgun round. 468 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,600 Kind of like 357 lever actions. 469 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,840 But, I think it's going to hit that nice sweet spot because goodness knows, 470 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,160 if I can put ten millimeter, rounds accurately on target, 471 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,680 it's it's going to do its job. 472 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,480 I'm pretty sure. 473 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,360 So. Well, 474 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:20,360 I think that's a really good case of you have confidence in the ten millimeter. 475 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,280 So that's what you should have. Right. 476 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,000 But I also want to remind people that that 477 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,640 you don't need to have that right now. 478 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,520 In other words. 479 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,360 Yeah I agree. 480 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:30,720 Yeah. 481 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,600 If you have if you can afford a nine millimeter and ammunition is cheap 482 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,480 and stuff like that, well, 483 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,520 they buy that because you kill the bad guy, you know, just as well. 484 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,520 But here, you know, we live in the country, 485 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,840 we have a 360 degree field of fire around our house. 486 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,560 And, my wife's favorite rifle 487 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,440 that she has is a 1894 Marlin cowboy gun. 488 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,440 It's a little short gun they made 20 years ago or so, and it's in 45. Colt 489 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,600 and and I, 490 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,960 we keep it loaded with Black Hills 45 called cowboy loads, you know. 491 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,480 Yeah. So call it, I don't know what it is. 492 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,840 At 250 it up at about 1000ft per second out of this rifle. 493 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,640 Well, she shoots at really good. 494 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,520 And and I like it because you keep the magazine loaded, the chamber empty. 495 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760 It's in the kitchen. 496 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,920 The kitchen pantry door. 497 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,120 Right now. 498 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,560 And, there has been more than one occasion 499 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,560 where I see her look over my shoulder out our back. 500 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,720 You know how that looks? Back over. 501 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,240 You know, the walnut grove. 502 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,000 And she'll look there and I can see her get distracted. 503 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,360 And then she dashes over there, grabs that gun out onto the back porch. 504 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,360 It's levering the gun as she goes out there, and then she's 505 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,360 chased some coyote across the past with it, you know. 506 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Wow, I know, but it's like I. 507 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,160 I wouldn't want to be shot with that. 508 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,320 No kidding. 509 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,880 I mean, my gosh. And so. 510 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,160 Well, but we're not real gun riders, Roy. 511 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,440 I've never encountered deer a hundred yards 512 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,160 running off hand in a driving snowstorm like that. 513 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,000 I think if if people would focus more on 514 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,320 the what is the 515 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,320 job, what's the task at hand? 516 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,440 And you can start with what's the minimum? 517 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,280 Do what you know, what's the minimum? 518 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,080 Do I need to accomplish this task? Right. 519 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,040 If I need to reshape a piece of metal than the minimum thing I need. 520 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,080 It's a good file, right? 521 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,200 And now I may reach a point where I wish I had an electric drill too. 522 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,200 And then eventually I wish I had a lathe than a milling machine right? 523 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,360 As your did your skills develop or. 524 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,000 This is kind of the same way. 525 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,240 So if you're getting into this, your problem is I want a reliable way 526 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,920 to protect my family, at home that's safe, 527 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,120 and that I can manage right. 528 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,320 And so just start there. 529 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,200 Sherlock Holmes says if you eliminate the impossible, 530 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,240 whatever remains, no matter how improbable, are the facts. 531 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,240 And so if if you eliminate all of these things, like, 532 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,840 do I really need a rifle caliber, do I really need the night vision? 533 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,520 Do I really need, you know, 534 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,680 and if you do. 535 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,000 Need a plate carrier. 536 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,880 Yeah. Do I need a plate carrier? 537 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,400 And that's a really funny thing. 538 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,840 Yeah. Everyone said, hey, what kind of plate carrier do you have? 539 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,560 It's like, well, I have a green shirt. 540 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,640 You know, I don't know. 541 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,880 I'm not a Swat guy or anything. 542 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,320 So, anyway, I think it's something for everyone to need. 543 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,120 You do need to keep your eyes open. 544 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:45,000 And before you just recoil in horror at the fact 545 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,200 that we're recommending that you at least look at a pistol caliber rifle. 546 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,280 We can call them carbines. 547 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,280 But really, I mean, a 16 inch barrel, 548 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,600 which is what most of them will have, unless you're willing to invest the time 549 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,200 and energy, you know, to get the appropriate licenses and pay the taxes. 550 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,880 It's going to have a 16 inch barrel. 551 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800 It's going to be 26in overall, 552 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,640 give or take a little bit, just a little longer than two feet. 553 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,840 That's not bad, right? 554 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080 That would be perfectly handy for around the house. 555 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,040 You just train a little bit with it. 556 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,520 You teach the wife how to shoot it, you teach your oldest kids how to shoot it. 557 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,760 And then it gets loaded and put wherever you decide to keep it in. 558 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,040 You're protected. Now. 559 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,680 Yep, yep. 560 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,680 Nothing wrong with it. And, 561 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080 I'll keep saying it because we kind of 562 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,200 get tired of all those comments, but nothing against the car. 563 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,320 But I think, especially younger males, 564 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,320 if I can make a stereotype here, if, 565 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,520 you know, you would consider trying something that's not the van today, 566 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,720 you might find you shoot it better, and, you can get more gun for the money. 567 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,960 Maybe, that's the nice thing. 568 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,720 If you look at especially used guns. 569 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,560 Now, they're they're not hot. 570 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,880 Hot and sexy right at the moment. 571 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,480 Nothing wrong with them, but they're not, you know, the hotness. 572 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,680 So you can probably score you a pretty good bargain 573 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,720 someplace like gun broker or at your local gun store. 574 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,720 So nothing wrong with them. I like them. 575 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,960 I've got a bunch of them here. 576 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,960 Just saying. 577 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Keep the pistol. 578 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,120 Keep the pistol caliber shoulder, arm. 579 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,680 In your in your thoughts when you're making that decision about, home defense. 580 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,840 So any parting words of wisdom there? 581 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Oh, wise guru Roy Huntington? 582 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,720 Well, the old kiss principle. Where? 583 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720 Keep it simple. Stupid, right? 584 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680 Really applies because if you're under duress, 585 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,080 you you are not thinking as clearly as you do normally. 586 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,040 So if you have a gun that you probably don't train with very much 587 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,320 and you're new to owning an AR 15, 588 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,480 which the vast majority of people out there bought, 589 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,200 these guns have never had any training, right? 590 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,440 They play video games and watch TV and gone to the range with their buddy. 591 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,360 Maybe, an AR 15 is a relatively complicated gun to run. 592 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,640 As you said, the manual of arms is pretty complicated. 593 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,640 Find your magazine, insert your magazine, run the bolt. 594 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,080 Make sure the bolt closes. 595 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,040 Where's the safety? 596 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,440 Is the safety disengage or engage. Right. 597 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,640 So now you shoot it and the slide locks back or the bolt locks back. 598 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,720 Now what. 599 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,360 Right. 600 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,680 Yep. To drop that do you insert a new magazine. 601 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,520 Do you use the bolt release or do you pull back on the op rod 602 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,400 or you know, there's a lot going on there and so do 603 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,600 you really need to introduce that? 604 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,320 Do it if you're willing to invest the time 605 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,160 and energy because they're very effective, ask 606 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,800 how many million soldiers who use them in combat and kill bad guys. 607 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,680 Good for them. 608 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,480 But yeah, just 609 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,480 that I'll just think about that. 610 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,520 Well, I think, you know, something you said there as part of your comment 611 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,200 is one of those universal truths that maybe we should promote more. 612 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,520 It's that idea of if you're willing to invest the time and effort 613 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,800 to to do this, because every gun can be lethal 614 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,800 and dangerous in a self-defense situation. 615 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,160 But as we've seen many, many times, people aren't willing 616 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920 and we've talked about that. Americans are terrible about that. 617 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,920 I want the special insert gun, bullet tactic, 618 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,920 flashlight, scabbard, holster, whatever they want. 619 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,960 The magic one that will make them, Robbie Latham or Clint Eastwood or whomever. 620 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,600 And, we tend to lose sight of the fact that we're, we're supposed to practice. 621 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,760 We're supposed to practice a lot and get better at it. 622 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,920 Think about this for a minute. 623 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,840 You know, I've been to Africa a few times. 624 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,960 I've hunted no dangerous game, you know, but I've hunted with 625 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,960 professional hunters who do do that, right. 626 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200 To a man and one woman. 627 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,800 They all have double rifles, right? 628 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,800 I didn't see any ax. I didn't see any. 629 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,520 308 vile mats. 630 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,520 I didn't see any anything like that. 631 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,880 And not a lot of bolt actions in the hands of the horse. 632 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,400 And if it is, if I did see one, it was a mauser 98 style with a controlled feed. 633 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,600 Right. 634 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480 But the vast majority were 635 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,680 were double rifles, which because we had long talks about it, 636 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,400 if you think about it, you have two single shot rifles is what you have. 637 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,520 Right? 638 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,520 So you have redundancy right there. 639 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:33,720 So I mean, I saw videos of my FPS and he had a client and they were charged 640 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,440 by these big orphans, you know, with tusks and everything. 641 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,120 And they were putting them down to where they literally dropped at their feet, 642 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,640 you know, and whether you like it or not, that's something other than this. 643 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,240 But like he said, he said, you you can't afford to do anything. 644 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,120 He says you sometimes you don't even have time to run a bolt. 645 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:55,320 Right. 646 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,600 And he said, he said, so this is failsafe. 647 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:00,720 If I pull the trigger, 648 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,360 if something doesn't happens, I pull the trigger on my other rifle, 649 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,400 you know? 650 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,600 And the odds of two failures like that are remote and 651 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,560 and I that really means a lot. 652 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:13,920 You know? 653 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,920 I mean, you shot my double rifle when you were here. 654 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,920 There's just so much elegance about that simplicity, you know? 655 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,560 And I think keep that in mind, though, if you're looking at. 656 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,240 Do I want to use a long gun at home? 657 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,720 Just keep thinking, you know, what's what's a simple way to do this. 658 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000 And now I'm really going to win some people up 659 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,600 if, if you have a break open. 660 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600 Single shot. 357 Magnum. 661 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Well, if you duct tape a flashlight on the end of the barrel 662 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,680 and and just keep your wits about you, you know, 663 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,880 I promise you, you protect your family. 664 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:50,880 Yeah, yeah. 665 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,880 So can you imagine going after, say, a Robbie 666 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,880 Latham or a Jerry or Lina flick? 667 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,320 And that's all they have. 668 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,440 I'm still betting on them. 669 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,440 Okay. Oh, yeah. 670 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,200 You know it ain't the gun, kids. 671 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,320 It ain't the guns. They hate the guns. 672 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:06,920 So. Well, the interesting topic. 673 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,280 I watch the comments. 674 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,920 And it'll be interesting to see the spread. 675 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,080 I will say that even the the pro a are people 676 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,120 who hate it when someone says something bad about them. 677 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,440 They they don't. 678 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,040 But most often when they comment, they say, well, I don't really agree 679 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,720 with what you say, but you guys are trying to be pretty open 680 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:30,760 minded and you're honest and what you're saying 681 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,200 is true in the real world or, you know, 682 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,600 so it's like they begrudgingly say, you know, you you did. 683 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,000 You do have some points there, right? Yeah. 684 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,840 But then they say, yeah, but you shouldn't say bad things about our fifteens. 685 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,120 Okay. 686 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,320 Well, we'll we'll brace for those comments and letters. 687 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:49,560 Of course. 688 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,320 You can reach me at editor at guns podcast. 689 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,480 Dot us. 690 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,760 And before we go, some housekeeping, of course. 691 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,680 Remember our great sponsor Ruger. 692 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,680 Whether you're on the range in the field or protecting your home, 693 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,800 Ruger delivers durability and performance you can count on. 694 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,120 Discover the full lineup, 695 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,760 explore new releases, and see why Ruger continues to set the standard. 696 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,960 Visit Ruger Icon today. 697 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,200 Well, 698 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,320 before we go, of course, I've got to mention stop by Guns 699 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,040 magazine.com especially sign up for our daily newsletters. 700 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,400 Yeah, the print magazines are gone, but the website is still there, 701 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,520 and I'm and I and Tom McHale are still writing, 702 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200 also American hand gunner.com. 703 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:33,760 Same thing. 704 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,240 You can go over there, sign up for newsletters, get all that great 705 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,920 gun goodness delivered to your inbox every day. 706 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,520 So that's guns magazine.com and American Handgun or.com. 707 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,600 And I think, Roy still got some stuff on there. 708 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,880 So check it out. 709 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,520 I know it's not the same as print, but it's it's what it is and it's the future. 710 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,200 So if you want to support what we've been doing and will do in the future, 711 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,120 make sure you go to Guns Magazine, dot com and American Hand gunner.com. 712 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,360 One final thing if you want some merch, if you want your t shirt, your hoodie 713 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,320 or your custom guns podcast, just 714 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,360 coffee mug, 715 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,360 you can go to Guns podcast dot U.S Imagine that guns 716 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,800 podcast U.S we've got all your merch and some other fun stuff. 717 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,600 So if you want some of that stuff and we want to see it at the shot 718 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,960 show here in a few months, go to guns podcast us. 719 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,120 Well, that's it for this episode of guns Magazine 720 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,640 Presents the Guns Podcast U.S, which is brought to you by Ruger. 721 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,840 I'm the host, Brent Wheat, along with Roy Huntington, and as I always say, 722 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,520 now get out there and get shooting. 723 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,240 Shoot.