1 00:00:03,403 --> 00:00:04,471 Hi there and welcome to this 2 00:00:04,471 --> 00:00:09,009 episode of The Guns Podcast, U.S., brought to you by guns magazine. 3 00:00:09,242 --> 00:00:11,544 I'm your host, Brant Wheat, and I'd like to thank you 4 00:00:11,544 --> 00:00:14,547 for joining us here on one of the world's biggest gun talk programs. 5 00:00:14,714 --> 00:00:18,618 As we chat and discuss and argue about the stuff that makes the world 6 00:00:18,618 --> 00:00:20,587 of shooting so much fun. 7 00:00:20,587 --> 00:00:24,057 Well, normally I've got my official, unofficial official co-host 8 00:00:24,057 --> 00:00:24,924 here, Roy Huntington. 9 00:00:24,924 --> 00:00:27,394 And today Roy is on the road. 10 00:00:27,394 --> 00:00:30,063 He's out on the highways of America. 11 00:00:30,063 --> 00:00:32,198 He's supposed to join me back next week. 12 00:00:32,198 --> 00:00:33,733 But today you got just me. 13 00:00:33,733 --> 00:00:38,138 Well, today we're going to discuss the worst gun mess in Christmas movies 14 00:00:38,138 --> 00:00:41,541 that have ever been committed to film or now, digital, of course. 15 00:00:42,075 --> 00:00:44,844 It's a topic that obviously is very seasonal, 16 00:00:44,844 --> 00:00:48,181 and we like watching Christmas movies this time of year. 17 00:00:48,381 --> 00:00:51,918 And unfortunately, a lot of them have gunplay. 18 00:00:51,918 --> 00:00:54,988 That is, again, some of the most atrocious gun handling 19 00:00:54,988 --> 00:00:58,825 and weirdest firearms that have ever appeared on the screens. 20 00:00:58,858 --> 00:01:02,529 So anyway, we're going to talk about these Christmas movies 21 00:01:02,529 --> 00:01:06,766 and how guns play a role and some of the awful gun myths. 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,002 Gun usage, gun portrayals. 23 00:01:09,002 --> 00:01:10,804 And, we're going to start 24 00:01:10,804 --> 00:01:14,574 with what I think is everyone's favorite Christmas movie, Die Hard. 25 00:01:24,951 --> 00:01:27,821 Now, the funny thing is, if you look across the internet, 26 00:01:27,821 --> 00:01:32,158 there's this continual argument of whether it's a Christmas movie or not. 27 00:01:32,192 --> 00:01:35,128 I think everybody's pretty well decided it's a Christmas movie. 28 00:01:35,128 --> 00:01:38,731 It's not necessarily one you want to watch with your kids, 29 00:01:39,132 --> 00:01:41,534 but it's it's a Christmas movie. 30 00:01:41,534 --> 00:01:45,238 And I would say, at least in the gun world, 31 00:01:45,238 --> 00:01:49,109 I think virtually everybody would agree, whether they like the movie or not. 32 00:01:49,676 --> 00:01:50,844 It's it's a gun movie. 33 00:01:50,844 --> 00:01:54,080 But, anyway, there is whole websites 34 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,485 devoted to the movie and the gun handling in the movie and it's series. 35 00:01:58,485 --> 00:02:02,122 One of the first things, if you remember, it was one of the first movies 36 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:06,326 that really showed MTV fives before that, M16 showed up a lot. 37 00:02:06,326 --> 00:02:09,362 But, at the time frame of the movie, 38 00:02:09,362 --> 00:02:12,365 you started seeing guys use MP5, the bad guys. 39 00:02:12,532 --> 00:02:13,433 Anyway. 40 00:02:13,433 --> 00:02:15,902 And, that was kind of noteworthy at the time. 41 00:02:15,902 --> 00:02:19,038 And people were suddenly like, then that's that gun that the, 42 00:02:19,038 --> 00:02:23,676 the SAS used to take down the Iranian embassy, during the siege. 43 00:02:23,676 --> 00:02:25,245 So that's that's pretty cool. 44 00:02:25,245 --> 00:02:29,983 And it's interesting they chose those guns, to be with the terrorists. 45 00:02:30,216 --> 00:02:34,487 The interesting thing to note is I think all of those MP5, 46 00:02:34,921 --> 00:02:39,626 if they weren't rubber replicas, they were actually chopped down HK 94. 47 00:02:40,026 --> 00:02:41,528 So I don't know why. 48 00:02:41,528 --> 00:02:43,930 I guess they couldn't get movie fives or something, 49 00:02:43,930 --> 00:02:46,633 but many of them in close up 50 00:02:46,633 --> 00:02:50,136 scenes, folks have discovered that those are actually chop 90 fours. 51 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:55,542 So, going back to that thing I mentioned about the rubber propeller replicas, 52 00:02:55,775 --> 00:03:00,380 a lot of folks don't realize that that is kind of the go to in most movies. 53 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:03,850 They make, very accurate rubber, 54 00:03:04,217 --> 00:03:08,321 or polymer guns that those are 55 00:03:08,321 --> 00:03:11,858 especially used when there's close ups, people fighting with guns. 56 00:03:12,158 --> 00:03:16,596 Because obviously you get hit upside the head with a gun, a real gun. 57 00:03:16,596 --> 00:03:18,131 It's going to draw blood for real. 58 00:03:18,131 --> 00:03:22,235 And, with the, rubber guns, the replica guns, they can drop them, 59 00:03:22,235 --> 00:03:26,472 they can throw them, they can hit people with them, and it's all fine. 60 00:03:26,472 --> 00:03:30,310 And obviously there's no danger of shooting your cinematographer 61 00:03:30,310 --> 00:03:33,313 during practice. I'm just saying. 62 00:03:33,446 --> 00:03:36,249 So, if you go frame 63 00:03:36,249 --> 00:03:39,252 by frame, which gun geeks will do? 64 00:03:39,285 --> 00:03:42,555 There's a lot of scenes in there where you can see the muzzles actually plug. 65 00:03:42,555 --> 00:03:45,225 They'll be recessed, but you get any past that, 66 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:47,360 and there's a little bit of, light in there, 67 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,829 and you'll suddenly realize there is no bore there. 68 00:03:49,829 --> 00:03:53,933 And, well, that's one of those rubber replicas and Hollywood prop companies. 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,371 And there's only a couple that handle, firearms and, a couple of big ones. 70 00:03:58,371 --> 00:04:01,007 And I know, few people associated with that, 71 00:04:01,007 --> 00:04:05,311 but one of their main tools is these, replica, rubber guns. 72 00:04:05,645 --> 00:04:09,515 So anyway, getting back to just the guns themselves. 73 00:04:10,116 --> 00:04:11,317 Diehard. Not too bad. 74 00:04:11,317 --> 00:04:16,689 They're using mostly stock guns, except those MP5, but, they had they also, 75 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:19,959 that was one of the first times on screen you saw Steyr Aug 76 00:04:26,666 --> 00:04:28,434 and, 77 00:04:28,434 --> 00:04:31,571 there's been interviews with, I believe, the weapons 78 00:04:31,571 --> 00:04:35,775 designer on the film that said, that was, again, kind of a unique gun 79 00:04:35,775 --> 00:04:38,911 at that point and not really well known. 80 00:04:38,911 --> 00:04:44,651 And they wanted to arm the one of the villains with that, pretty noteworthy gun. 81 00:04:44,651 --> 00:04:49,188 I do remember watching it the first time saying, that's that's kind of a cool one. 82 00:04:49,188 --> 00:04:50,556 So, yeah, that's one of the, 83 00:04:50,556 --> 00:04:54,027 and still is one of the few films where you'll see a style. 84 00:04:54,494 --> 00:04:58,231 A couple other noteworthy things is, most of the M16. 85 00:04:58,231 --> 00:04:58,698 You'll see. 86 00:04:58,698 --> 00:05:01,701 I think all of the M16s are actually 87 00:05:01,868 --> 00:05:04,771 MGC, M16 replicas. 88 00:05:04,771 --> 00:05:08,675 And what that is model Gun Corporation out of Japan. 89 00:05:08,808 --> 00:05:10,443 Those were famous guns. 90 00:05:10,443 --> 00:05:14,414 I don't believe they make them anymore, but they were very lifelike replicas. 91 00:05:14,614 --> 00:05:17,850 And they were used extensively in Hollywood for filming, 92 00:05:17,850 --> 00:05:21,521 because obviously, I believe they fired a, 93 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:24,524 a plastic projectile, 94 00:05:25,024 --> 00:05:27,593 and the cartridge casing would even eject. 95 00:05:27,593 --> 00:05:30,229 So those were used extensively in films. 96 00:05:30,229 --> 00:05:34,000 The way you can tell that is if you look at a close up of the film, 97 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,134 still frame it. 98 00:05:35,134 --> 00:05:35,868 The forward 99 00:05:35,868 --> 00:05:39,572 assist is actually not a forward assist and doesn't have the little paddle on it. 100 00:05:39,772 --> 00:05:43,476 What it has, it's it goes straight back and it's got an Allen screw. 101 00:05:43,476 --> 00:05:46,446 And that was how you took those guns down and serviced them. 102 00:05:46,446 --> 00:05:50,550 So if you see an M16 on the screen, especially like in Die 103 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:53,986 Hard, that's got kind of a weird forward assist me. 104 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,622 It's funny because you'll look at it and say something's wrong with that, 105 00:05:56,622 --> 00:05:58,091 but I can't quite put my finger on it. 106 00:05:58,091 --> 00:06:00,226 Well, it's because it's not angled out. 107 00:06:00,226 --> 00:06:04,197 It's actually parallel to the center line of the bore. 108 00:06:04,464 --> 00:06:08,034 And if you get behind it, if you can see, you'll see that 109 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:09,702 it's actually an Allen screw in there. 110 00:06:09,702 --> 00:06:12,238 So interesting. Point there. 111 00:06:12,238 --> 00:06:17,076 But all those M16s I believe in that movie were those MGC, replicas. 112 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:18,111 Another thing that, 113 00:06:20,046 --> 00:06:20,947 I like. 114 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:23,850 And again, this is one of those things that it's just entertainment 115 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:26,619 and I shouldn't get upset by it, but it makes me crazy. 116 00:06:26,619 --> 00:06:30,423 They they toss a hockey puck size flashbang. 117 00:06:30,990 --> 00:06:32,658 Well, if you've ever seen a flash bang, there's 118 00:06:32,658 --> 00:06:34,494 none of them that look like a hockey puck. 119 00:06:34,494 --> 00:06:36,262 None of them are that small. 120 00:06:36,262 --> 00:06:37,897 Well, I take that back there. 121 00:06:37,897 --> 00:06:40,967 I believe there's some electronic ones, and they're not nearly 122 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,570 as useful as a pyrotechnic flash bang. 123 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:47,507 But anyway, it doesn't exist. 124 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:50,076 It's just one of those Hollywood inventions. 125 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:51,210 I don't know how they did it. 126 00:06:51,210 --> 00:06:54,380 I'm sure they probably threw a hockey puck out there, and then, 127 00:06:54,380 --> 00:06:58,684 stopped the film and then inserted a, probably a live explosive of some kind. 128 00:06:59,218 --> 00:07:02,522 You know, reading on the internet basically, Die Hard gets a pass because 129 00:07:02,522 --> 00:07:08,561 it's fun and it's a master class, and it looks right to non gun people. 130 00:07:08,861 --> 00:07:13,232 So to gun folks, you'll see a lot of things that just don't make sense. 131 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:15,067 You'll see bad gun handling. 132 00:07:15,067 --> 00:07:16,903 You'll see all the stuff we're used to. 133 00:07:16,903 --> 00:07:19,772 But you know it is what it is. 134 00:07:19,772 --> 00:07:21,841 But at least you can be aware of some of those things. 135 00:07:21,841 --> 00:07:22,675 You can be looking at them. 136 00:07:22,675 --> 00:07:24,710 And like I said, you can impress your friends with. 137 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:28,381 Well, that's a, a Japanese MG replica M16. 138 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:32,351 Or probably more importantly, if you're if you do watch it with your 139 00:07:32,385 --> 00:07:33,786 teens or whatever 140 00:07:33,786 --> 00:07:37,290 you can say that's not really safe, that's not really how you do it. 141 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:39,125 And this is entertainment. 142 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:41,394 Don't don't mistake that for the real world. 143 00:07:41,394 --> 00:07:44,363 So the, the next one, 144 00:07:44,363 --> 00:07:47,400 we're going to look at the next film is a favorite. 145 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,202 And this is certainly a family film. 146 00:07:49,202 --> 00:07:51,070 It's a Christmas story. 147 00:07:56,709 --> 00:07:57,543 And, of 148 00:07:57,543 --> 00:08:00,646 course, you all know the gun that's involved there. 149 00:08:00,646 --> 00:08:01,414 It's a daisy. 150 00:08:01,414 --> 00:08:07,220 Red Ryder carbine action, 200 shot range model air rifle with compass. 151 00:08:07,220 --> 00:08:09,689 And this thing that tells time. 152 00:08:09,689 --> 00:08:13,659 Well, for those that are familiar with Daisy, 153 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:17,396 they did build the one for the the use on the screen. 154 00:08:17,530 --> 00:08:20,533 But that gun didn't actually exist at that time. 155 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:23,402 There was no model that had a compass in the stock 156 00:08:23,402 --> 00:08:26,806 and why they needed a sundial essentially. 157 00:08:27,139 --> 00:08:30,042 Often the stock doesn't make a lot of sense, but that just was 158 00:08:30,042 --> 00:08:34,814 that Hollywood gussying up making the gun more interesting than what it is. 159 00:08:34,814 --> 00:08:38,918 But I'll tell you the thing that that kind of drives me crazy about this movie 160 00:08:39,218 --> 00:08:43,389 is that as a family movie, really the unspoken value 161 00:08:43,389 --> 00:08:47,393 behind Ralphie's quest to get the baby gun and constantly being told 162 00:08:47,393 --> 00:08:48,728 you're going to shoot the eye out, 163 00:08:48,728 --> 00:08:53,132 you're going to put somebody eye out, is it really is, I think, intentionally 164 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:57,970 trying to teach folks that guns of any kind are dangerous. 165 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:02,909 You know, it's kind of the unspoken value of that, that they're really dangerous. 166 00:09:02,909 --> 00:09:07,246 And, you know, Ralphie's going to hurt somebody and it's a fun movie. 167 00:09:07,246 --> 00:09:08,247 It's great. 168 00:09:08,247 --> 00:09:11,951 But when you're watching the show with your kids or your grandkids, 169 00:09:11,951 --> 00:09:15,655 make sure that they understand that guns are safe, guns are fun. 170 00:09:15,655 --> 00:09:19,358 They're unsafe if you misuse them like you see on the screen a lot. 171 00:09:19,358 --> 00:09:21,961 But it's just a movie. It's just entertainment. 172 00:09:21,961 --> 00:09:26,933 And that, guns are perfectly okay to use and use responsibly. 173 00:09:26,933 --> 00:09:27,533 Anyway. 174 00:09:27,533 --> 00:09:32,171 Basically a movie that romanticizes 175 00:09:32,471 --> 00:09:36,676 ignorance about guns and highlights adults panicking about guns. 176 00:09:36,676 --> 00:09:38,244 It's a good thing to talk with 177 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:41,247 your kids and grandkids that it's not really like that. 178 00:09:41,347 --> 00:09:45,518 So the movie next that, inspired this episode 179 00:09:45,985 --> 00:09:49,555 is, of course, Home Alone, and it's, again, one of my favorites. 180 00:09:49,555 --> 00:09:52,058 And it's getting a little dated, I've noticed. 181 00:09:52,058 --> 00:09:55,494 Or maybe I've watched it too many times, but there's a couple of things in here 182 00:09:55,494 --> 00:09:58,431 that are interesting from a shooting point of view. 183 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:01,434 And the first of them is, of course, where 184 00:10:02,034 --> 00:10:06,005 Kevin McCallister, the hero in the movie, 185 00:10:06,005 --> 00:10:09,575 the family leaves him home alone and he defeats two burglars. 186 00:10:09,609 --> 00:10:13,379 One of the ways he does that, especially initially, is he, records 187 00:10:14,046 --> 00:10:19,785 the audio from a old movie, called angels With Filthy Souls, 188 00:10:25,791 --> 00:10:27,660 and there's a scene where the 189 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:32,665 bad guy blasts one of the other gangsters with a colt 1921. 190 00:10:33,432 --> 00:10:34,767 Thompson. 191 00:10:34,767 --> 00:10:37,203 And, Kevin records that on his little 192 00:10:37,203 --> 00:10:40,940 handheld recorder and then scares away the bad guys by playing that back. 193 00:10:41,007 --> 00:10:43,075 A couple of problems with that. 194 00:10:43,075 --> 00:10:48,614 And this is my practical side saying that, a handheld tape 195 00:10:48,614 --> 00:10:54,387 recorder of a television speaker playing, a black and white movie 196 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:59,759 is not gonna sound like a 1921 Thompson submachine gun. 197 00:11:00,059 --> 00:11:03,429 So that part's a little hard or farfetched, 198 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:05,564 and I have trouble getting past it. 199 00:11:05,564 --> 00:11:07,400 So, anyway, the B. B. 200 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,403 gun, I wanted to bring that up. 201 00:11:20,046 --> 00:11:22,281 It's a I believe it's just a Red rider. 202 00:11:22,281 --> 00:11:27,286 But there's a scene in there where he he gets the gun from his brother's, room, 203 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,257 and he has some little, you know, climactic moment where he says 204 00:11:31,257 --> 00:11:34,593 it's up to me to defend my house, and he cocks the B.B. gun. 205 00:11:35,161 --> 00:11:38,164 Well, the problem is it's he's using the four 206 00:11:38,197 --> 00:11:42,535 as a pump, and, it looks again like a red rider. 207 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:43,903 There's no such thing. 208 00:11:43,903 --> 00:11:46,038 And I believe that was how they made the prop. 209 00:11:46,038 --> 00:11:49,809 They took the lever, the cocking lever off of it and just put 210 00:11:50,209 --> 00:11:56,582 a, wood block for the four end and made it, into a a pump action. 211 00:11:56,582 --> 00:12:00,886 I guess that was necessary, for the dramatic effect at that moment, 212 00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:04,190 because if you had a red rider, you remember, especially as a kid, 213 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:08,327 sometimes you had to go to some pretty extreme lengths to get that thing cocked 214 00:12:08,327 --> 00:12:11,330 because of a pretty stout string or spring in there. 215 00:12:11,497 --> 00:12:15,201 So I'm assuming they, probably realized that and felt 216 00:12:15,201 --> 00:12:18,404 like just, making a flick of the wrist would probably be better. 217 00:12:18,404 --> 00:12:21,807 And then adding the sound effect of, a pump shotgun. 218 00:12:22,308 --> 00:12:24,877 But, it was funny. That inspired, 219 00:12:26,212 --> 00:12:27,780 a conversation with a friend 220 00:12:27,780 --> 00:12:30,850 of mine today, and I said, yeah, it's like one of those CO2. 221 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:34,720 And he said, I think it was, 670 or 770. 222 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,455 Crossman 223 00:12:36,455 --> 00:12:38,457 I always wanted one. I never had one. 224 00:12:38,457 --> 00:12:41,260 I had the Daisy 880, 225 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:45,297 if you remember, had the big, long, cocking lever up front. 226 00:12:45,297 --> 00:12:46,565 It was a pump up. 227 00:12:46,565 --> 00:12:50,569 And, of course, we tried to pump it up to 150, strokes. 228 00:12:50,569 --> 00:12:52,438 Rose must do ten of them. 229 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:56,041 And, it had some kind of pressure relief, which as I got older, 230 00:12:56,041 --> 00:12:59,712 I tried to do surgery and figure out how to remove that so we could pump it up 231 00:12:59,712 --> 00:13:05,718 to 40 or 50,000 p.s.i and hopefully, hunt elk with that 17 caliber B.B.. 232 00:13:05,718 --> 00:13:09,321 But, my buddy had the Crossman model, and he loved 233 00:13:09,321 --> 00:13:10,489 he said they did the same thing. 234 00:13:10,489 --> 00:13:11,257 They pumped it up 235 00:13:11,257 --> 00:13:15,361 and tried to see if they could, you know, make it shoot like a 375 and H. 236 00:13:15,361 --> 00:13:16,428 And of course it wouldn't. 237 00:13:16,428 --> 00:13:19,265 But, that was a fun conversation we had today. 238 00:13:19,265 --> 00:13:23,169 But yeah, the, the, air rifle in the movie, not so much. 239 00:13:23,202 --> 00:13:26,205 It is a good teaching moment with some of these movies 240 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:29,008 that, you don't have to make a huge deal out of it, but 241 00:13:29,008 --> 00:13:32,778 just maybe counteract that brainwashing that Hollywood is 242 00:13:32,778 --> 00:13:37,950 so notoriously noted for now, this movie, I will admit, I don't know it. 243 00:13:37,950 --> 00:13:39,218 I've never seen it. 244 00:13:39,218 --> 00:13:42,321 It's a 2022 movie called Violent Night, 245 00:13:52,765 --> 00:13:54,466 a play on Silent Night. 246 00:13:54,466 --> 00:13:57,570 And the only reason I knew about this, because a buddy of mine told me about it, 247 00:13:57,803 --> 00:14:02,575 and it's basically Santa Claus versus the mercenaries and, 248 00:14:03,375 --> 00:14:07,079 I'm going to have to watch it this season, not with little ones gathered around. 249 00:14:07,413 --> 00:14:09,915 It's typical over-the-top comedy. 250 00:14:09,915 --> 00:14:10,783 but I'm going to have to watch it. 251 00:14:10,783 --> 00:14:14,820 Apparently it's not the greatest movie, but if you ever wanted to see Santa 252 00:14:14,820 --> 00:14:19,658 go full, Delta Force on bad guys and that that's your movie. 253 00:14:19,792 --> 00:14:25,331 So this next one is my absolute favorite holiday movie, bar none. 254 00:14:25,531 --> 00:14:30,502 And it's not super well known, but it's Scrooged with Bill Murray, 255 00:14:30,502 --> 00:14:34,673 and I forget what the date is on it, but the basic plot is Bill Murray's 256 00:14:34,673 --> 00:14:38,911 the head of the fictional IBC network, and he gets into an argument 257 00:14:38,911 --> 00:14:42,114 with his folks, his people, about their upcoming 258 00:14:42,114 --> 00:14:45,251 Christmas shows, and they did the typical Christmas thing. 259 00:14:45,484 --> 00:14:47,653 And he wants really over-the-top. 260 00:14:47,653 --> 00:14:52,358 Well, in the course of all this, it turns into a Dickens Christmas Carol. 261 00:14:52,358 --> 00:14:54,627 He's visited by the ghosts of 262 00:14:54,627 --> 00:14:58,397 of Christmas Past and Future, and he changes his ways. 263 00:14:58,397 --> 00:15:00,633 And, you know, there's the big, the big happy ending. 264 00:15:00,633 --> 00:15:02,134 So it's a it's a fun movie. 265 00:15:02,134 --> 00:15:05,471 But what's really fun is the, 266 00:15:05,471 --> 00:15:08,474 the team puts up these promos 267 00:15:08,474 --> 00:15:11,477 for their upcoming holiday movies, and he hates them 268 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:15,514 because they're happiness and light and typical TV fare. 269 00:15:15,781 --> 00:15:19,018 So he has had his team put together 270 00:15:19,018 --> 00:15:22,021 what he wants to see, and it's a special. 271 00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:25,424 The first of all, he's talking about how terrible life is 272 00:15:25,624 --> 00:15:28,494 and one of them is somebody pulls up in a car next 273 00:15:28,494 --> 00:15:31,497 to somebody else and uses a double barrel shotgun on him. 274 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:34,733 Doesn't show what happens, but it's very clear that's what's going on. 275 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:37,002 And then they go to. 276 00:15:37,002 --> 00:15:42,608 But you can get away from that by watching The Night the Reindeer died. 277 00:15:48,847 --> 00:15:49,848 the plot 278 00:15:49,848 --> 00:15:55,321 of A Violent Night with Santa Claus is attacked by, by bad guys, 279 00:15:55,754 --> 00:15:59,291 and he's saved by Lee majors, the $6 280 00:15:59,291 --> 00:16:02,294 Million Man. 281 00:16:09,435 --> 00:16:12,938 And, interesting side note if you watch that, 282 00:16:13,138 --> 00:16:17,476 when Lee majors comes in and starts gunning down the bad guys and all that 283 00:16:17,476 --> 00:16:21,613 he's carrying what is actually a GE XM 134 mini gun, 284 00:16:21,947 --> 00:16:25,884 and it is the same minigun that was used in the predator 285 00:16:25,884 --> 00:16:29,588 movies, the exact same prop that was used in the predator movies. 286 00:16:29,588 --> 00:16:33,158 Apparently they got a, pump shotgun mounted underneath it for absolutely no 287 00:16:33,158 --> 00:16:37,496 good reason, but it's big and bulky, and they've got a handle on the back 288 00:16:37,496 --> 00:16:41,633 and it makes no sense whatsoever, but it looks pretty cool. 289 00:16:41,633 --> 00:16:44,636 So and there's also, of course, the scene later on where 290 00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:48,574 one of the folks that he fired, a guy Elliot Loudermilk, 291 00:16:48,907 --> 00:16:51,910 who's portrayed by Bobcat Goldthwait, Goldthwait 292 00:16:52,111 --> 00:16:55,881 comes back intoxicated with a double barreled shotgun and, 293 00:16:55,881 --> 00:16:59,752 basically takes Frank hostage, which causes the big final scene. But, 294 00:17:04,590 --> 00:17:07,760 he shoots things up, and it's kind of that idea that, 295 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:12,164 you know, people that only use shotguns are crazy redneck, drunken buffoons. 296 00:17:12,164 --> 00:17:16,635 And it's it's kind of that, you know, Hollywood lesson of guns. 297 00:17:16,969 --> 00:17:19,972 They aren't a good thing. So 298 00:17:23,575 --> 00:17:24,543 it's a 299 00:17:24,543 --> 00:17:27,579 a fun movie, aside from the gun stuff. 300 00:17:27,579 --> 00:17:31,050 And there's a scene in there where, it's a steel frame 301 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:34,386 that you'll see quite a bit on the internet of Lee majors with the, 302 00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:38,290 the minigun and, Santa Claus got an AR 15. 303 00:17:45,130 --> 00:17:48,734 I don't know if it's an MGC M16 replica. 304 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:50,169 It probably is. 305 00:17:50,169 --> 00:17:54,373 But, that's kind of a fun, fun scene, Lee Majors and Santa Claus 306 00:17:54,373 --> 00:17:57,876 ready to chew bubble gum and kick butt, and they're all out of bubble gum. 307 00:17:58,210 --> 00:18:00,846 So that was our our final movie in the series. 308 00:18:00,846 --> 00:18:04,383 Any of them I can vouch for other than Violent Night? 309 00:18:04,750 --> 00:18:07,653 And who knows, I may like it, but I'll have to check that out. 310 00:18:07,653 --> 00:18:10,756 But, anyway, again, some of the interesting gun trivia, 311 00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:16,261 some of the bad gun handling, the weird guns, and that whole point of 312 00:18:17,729 --> 00:18:18,297 beware 313 00:18:18,297 --> 00:18:21,767 Hollywood is a propaganda machine, and you can use those moments 314 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:26,105 as positive learning toward firearms, towards young, impressionable gun 315 00:18:26,171 --> 00:18:29,641 folks, young, impressionable minds is what I was trying to say, 316 00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:33,846 because, the entertainment industry is certainly trying otherwise. 317 00:18:34,246 --> 00:18:37,382 So anyway, let's talk about kind of our takeaways. 318 00:18:37,382 --> 00:18:39,751 First of all, we say this a lot. 319 00:18:39,751 --> 00:18:43,122 Movies are not training films, and we know that. 320 00:18:43,555 --> 00:18:47,392 But every single instruction instructor in the world will tell you 321 00:18:47,392 --> 00:18:51,697 they've had countless people that, really bring stuff 322 00:18:51,697 --> 00:18:56,235 from television and movies and use it as a technique on the range. 323 00:18:56,235 --> 00:19:01,073 And it's, it's it is so pervasive that sometimes it's hard to break free 324 00:19:01,073 --> 00:19:01,940 from that. 325 00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:06,612 It's been pointed out that the repetition you see from entertainment, 326 00:19:06,612 --> 00:19:10,916 it makes that familiarity, because you've seen it so many times, 327 00:19:10,916 --> 00:19:15,354 you've seen so many people with fingers on triggers and, and lots of, 328 00:19:15,354 --> 00:19:18,357 the there's a whole that's a whole episode right there. 329 00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:20,225 But the bottom line is, 330 00:19:21,226 --> 00:19:23,529 I want to point out that 331 00:19:23,529 --> 00:19:28,567 we may not think that we're teaching ourselves, but we are. 332 00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:31,570 And again, if we're knowledgeable gun folks, 333 00:19:31,570 --> 00:19:34,573 that's a good moment to help, 334 00:19:35,073 --> 00:19:38,177 less knowledgeable folks understand that that's not good. 335 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,378 That's unsafe. 336 00:19:39,378 --> 00:19:40,913 You'd never do that. 337 00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:43,682 Again, not taking away from the entertainment value, 338 00:19:43,682 --> 00:19:46,418 but use those as teaching moments and, 339 00:19:46,418 --> 00:19:49,621 certainly don't don't try anything you see at home. 340 00:19:50,322 --> 00:19:53,058 Because, mostly it's not going to work. 341 00:19:53,058 --> 00:19:56,461 So anyway, to end on a reasonable non 342 00:19:56,461 --> 00:19:59,965 preachy note and enjoy the movies, laugh at the nonsense. 343 00:20:00,365 --> 00:20:03,101 But I hope you understand reality's different and help 344 00:20:03,101 --> 00:20:06,104 others understand that the reality is different. 345 00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:10,609 And as I've often heard it put, don't let Hollywood be your firearms instructor. 346 00:20:10,842 --> 00:20:12,978 So anyway, I hope you enjoyed this. 347 00:20:12,978 --> 00:20:14,279 I made it through. 348 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:18,083 I'm not super comfortable just running the show by myself, but, 349 00:20:18,083 --> 00:20:21,954 anyway, we'd like to hear some of your favorite Christmas movies 350 00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:25,657 and, your thoughts on my my pick. 351 00:20:25,891 --> 00:20:28,527 If you're watching on YouTube, of course, you can leave a comment 352 00:20:28,527 --> 00:20:33,131 or you can reach me at editor at Guns Podcast dot U.S. 353 00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:36,802 So I believe without looking at the calendar, this is actually 354 00:20:36,802 --> 00:20:39,805 the last episode prior to Christmas. 355 00:20:39,871 --> 00:20:43,075 So on behalf of Roy Huntington, who's somewhere on the road, 356 00:20:43,375 --> 00:20:46,645 I'd like to wish you all a merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, 357 00:20:46,912 --> 00:20:50,382 or whatever festival you celebrate here at the end of the year. 358 00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:52,451 I hope you have a great holiday. 359 00:20:52,451 --> 00:20:55,988 And, we're going to see you back right after the holiday, 360 00:20:56,221 --> 00:20:59,191 and we're going to keep doing this, and we'll go into 2026 361 00:20:59,224 --> 00:21:00,859 and make that even a better year. 362 00:21:00,859 --> 00:21:04,896 So anyway, as I always say on behalf of Roy Huntington, 363 00:21:05,397 --> 00:21:06,698 at the end of every episode, 364 00:21:06,698 --> 00:21:10,002 I'd like to remind you now get out there and get shooting. 365 00:21:10,802 --> 00:21:11,436 Merry Christmas.