1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Everything you learned on that video game, even though they have a basis 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,440 in reality, is completely fake and false. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,160 And and it's virtual. It's not real. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,080 So I'm glad you've been on 10,000 missions on Call of Duty, 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,280 and you know you are a top tier, one suave 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,280 master of taking down tangos. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,400 That's a game. 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,400 The real world is different. 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,120 Hi there, and welcome to the Guns 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,160 Podcast, U.S., brought to you by guns magazine. 11 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:40,840 I'm your host, Brant Wheat. 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,840 I'd like to thank you for joining one of the world's biggest gun talk programs. 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,040 As we chat, chat about the interesting stuff 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,280 and all the fun and cool things in the world of shooting. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,280 And of course, I'm joined by our official, unofficial, 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,280 unofficial official co-host, Roy Huntington. 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,080 Hey there. Roy. Hey, how you doing? 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,040 I'm still amazed how much people like this show. But, 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,840 well, there's a vote of confidence. 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,680 I mean. It's we're just two guys, you know? 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Yeah. And we just talk about things that I. 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,080 We want to talk about, 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,120 and it's just seems that other people seem to be interested too. 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,800 So thank you very much and keep doing that. 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,840 Exactly. 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,640 As they often say, best audience in the business and ours truly is, 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,640 because I don't think our audience puts up with all the 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,280 ten things that'll get you killed in a gunfight. 29 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,600 You know, even though that's what that's what YouTube says 30 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:36,760 you need to put in your thumbnail. 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,600 So, we're not we're not gonna play that game. 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,600 No, they like they want authenticity, you know? 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:43,200 Yeah. 34 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,040 I mean, someday we should do a promo like this and intro, but have us both buy. 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,440 Oh, that would be funny. 36 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,360 Like, obviously I generated. Yeah. Yeah. 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,280 So that our fingers don't. 38 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,560 Oh nine and we've. 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,360 Got eight on one hand and three and one. Is a little crossed. 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Yeah. Yeah. 41 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,760 And just, Well, what we're going to talk about 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,000 today was a Roy suggestion, and we're calling it Big Gun, little gun. 43 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,360 What's a good first choice? 44 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,280 And that's a very appropriate topic this time of year, because people 45 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,840 are asking, should I, you know, my my husband wants to buy a handgun. 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,440 And we get this question pretty frequently. 47 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,240 What should I get him? 48 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,240 And, we're going to talk about our advice, that we give quite a bit. 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,720 So, Roy, it was your topic, and, 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,040 so I'll, I'll open the floor to you. 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Big gun. 52 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,320 Now, if if, guy's not been much of a shooter, 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,080 he probably wants a 500 lined bar or, a Glock fully auto. 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,160 Right. That's probably a good first choice. 55 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:49,920 First of all, word to the wise for that wife. 56 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,760 Unless you specifically know what gun your husband wants. 57 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Don't buy him. What? 58 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,640 Good point. Out of the gate. Yeah. 59 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:04,120 Because if it's not exactly what he wants now, he's in a spot where he has to be 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,360 appreciative of this gun that you got him, which isn't something that he wanted. 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,920 Some leeway. 62 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:13,440 Let me interrupt you right there, Roy. 63 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,160 I'll say that this goes the other way, too. 64 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,360 I bought my wife a gun purse years ago for Christmas. 65 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,280 Spent quite a bit of money. 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,280 And you know what? That women, unlike men. 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,240 I will tell you, this is awful. 68 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,520 I hate this. 69 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,160 So, yeah, guys don't buy women gun purses and stuff. 70 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,720 Unless she specifically tells you this is the one that I want. 71 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:36,560 So, yeah. 72 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,760 I wanted to share that. 73 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,160 It's like the pink gun, you know? 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,680 Well, you know, my wife Susie, with. 75 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,600 What do you think would happen if I came home with a pink gun for her? 76 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:45,880 It'd go through the window. 77 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,720 But, were after I got pulled out of my nether regions. 78 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,000 You know, it's, 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,400 But anyway, 80 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,040 what prompted this was because a good friend of mine 81 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,880 who has never owned a gun, 82 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,880 reached out to me about three weeks ago or so, 83 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,200 and he said, oh, I've known him for maybe 40 years. 84 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,280 And he said, you know, 85 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,920 I shot a 22 pistol one time when I was about ten years old, 86 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,520 and that's the extent of it. 87 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,280 Never been interested or anything. 88 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:18,840 Yeah. He said, but you know what? 89 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:22,320 The way things are going nowadays, I would be a little more comfortable 90 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,640 if I had something for my home, you know, and just learned a little bit about that. 91 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,320 And I said, well, I think that's a wise decision, you know, and, 92 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:35,240 and he said, besides, it looks a little interesting. 93 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,080 You know, he said, I'm at an age now and I'm getting toward retirement. 94 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,200 And it's a skill, you know, and it it has to do with. 95 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,920 And he's in an industry that has to do well there knife making there in a knife 96 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,040 making industry, you know. 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,760 So we kind of like understands engineering and all that kind of stuff. So 98 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,080 so he said the classic thing. 99 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,080 He sent me an email and he said, so far I've been looking at Glocks, 100 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,760 sigs, 101 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,000 it's like a satire. 102 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,760 Somebody told him he needed to buy a satire, you know, and 103 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,880 and things like that. 104 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,600 And which AR 15 should I buy? 105 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,360 You know, and so, you know where I'm going with this. 106 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:19,840 Yeah. 107 00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:23,280 So I said, I said, well, no, actually, you know, 108 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,760 because with those kind of guns, you don't know anything about them 109 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,280 and they're complicated. And, you know, you need to trade 110 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,760 and everything that we've said a thousand times. 111 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,280 And so I steered him in the direction of a forage K 112 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,400 frame Smith and Wesson revolver. 113 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,560 And so he said there was a range nearby. 114 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,640 He went to the range and he was able to rent one. 115 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,440 And then, you know, for 20 bucks or something, 116 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,400 the guy behind the counter will come out on their indoor range and sort of walk 117 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,400 you through it, you know, so you don't shoot yourself at the foot. 118 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,360 Well, he he came back and he just was enthralled. 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,040 He said, that is so cool. 120 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,000 He said, it's not complicated and it's easy to open it up 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,360 and it's easy to load and unload. 122 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,720 And I just think that's a great idea. 123 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,760 And I said, good because it is a great idea. 124 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,480 You know, learning has occurred already. Yeah. 125 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:18,120 And so so now we've transitioned now to, cleaning gear. 126 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,040 What do I buy? What do I need? 127 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,800 You know, I introduced him to the concept of a range bag. 128 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,720 You know, he bought his first set of electronic earmuffs. 129 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,160 You know, he's even now asking me. 130 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,000 Well, what I eventually want personal defense ammunition. 131 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,680 What should I be looking for? Right? 132 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,760 Yeah, but he's open minded, and he's for the way I've been teaching him. 133 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:40,880 He knows. 134 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,080 Don't come to me and say, I want to buy this. 135 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Come to me and say, what should I be looking for? 136 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,680 Right? And, 137 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,680 but what I didn't do with him 138 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,520 was tell him to buy a little tiny gun, you know, like a chief special. 139 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,120 And I know a lot of people would. 140 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,600 They would say, oh, well, you know, you're not really going to shoot. 141 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,080 Like, you should get some small frame gun and, and and that'll be just fine, right. 142 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,640 Well, and then so when they do that now they go to the range 143 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,360 and it kicks hard, has muzzle blast and they can hit the target okay. 144 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,320 You know. 145 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,040 And so now they lose interest. 146 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,280 And that's the end of that story. 147 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:17,680 Yeah. 148 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,600 You know well I was I was going to bring up the point that you and I just 149 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,720 experienced two weeks ago, I'd, we'd come out to your house for a visit. 150 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,120 And again, thank you for having us and your your your wonderland of guns. 151 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,040 But I was, reviewing. 152 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,720 And I'm not going to say what it was. 153 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,720 It's a small, very lightweight 380. 154 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,200 And I thought this might be a good possibility for my wife. 155 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,440 Just because she's a little more recoil sensitive, 156 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,400 she's not a very, active, shooting enthusiast. 157 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,160 So I thought, let's try this. 158 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,920 Well, this thing is ported, and it weighs nothing. 159 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,200 Both of us think that first shot, like. 160 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Whoa, how bout that? 161 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,120 That sucker was so loud. 162 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,000 And, I mean, it wasn't untenable. 163 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:03,640 Recoil. 164 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Again, I've shot a lot, so, you know, I. 165 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,720 I can handle it. 166 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,680 But it was apparent to me that, like, if I was a novice shooter, it'd be like, 167 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,600 oh, that doesn't feel good. I don't like that. 168 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,640 And so what you would do is a person at the gun stores. 169 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,120 We've said it many, many times. 170 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,120 I would say all that, you know, get the little lady this gun here, it's 171 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,640 just a 380 and she fires it twice and goes, I don't like that. 172 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,120 And it goes in the sock drawer, and you never see it again until it's sold. 173 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,000 And and guys are the same way. 174 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,560 Guys won't admit that. That hurt my hand. 175 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:37,520 And I didn't enjoy that in the muzzle blast. 176 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Singed my hair. 177 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:43,360 So, you know, if if guys like us who have quite 178 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,400 a bit of experience, we've had professional training of all kinds. 179 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,640 You know, I don't want to stack up our our, 180 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,560 resume, but hopefully, if you're watching us, you know, we know what we're doing. 181 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,120 And for both of us to go, wow, that that was less than optimal. 182 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,280 I'm sending the gun back on review just because I would 183 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,280 I would recommend it to Roy if for some reason he wanted to carry a small 380. 184 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,320 But it's it's not that small. 185 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,040 It's, certainly not any lighter than some other things. 186 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 I thought it was going to be a good answer to something. 187 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,200 And it turns out it's an answer to a very, very narrow and specific thing. 188 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,080 And, it kind of surprised me. 189 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,960 I think it surprised you, too. 190 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,800 It's like if somebody gave you 5000 rounds of 380 ammunition, 191 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,840 it's like, well, I need a gun to shoot it, you know? 192 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,320 But yeah, even then, I know exactly what you mean. 193 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,320 When you first fired, I would stand next, you know? 194 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,560 Look, I went. 195 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,400 What the hell was that? 196 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,360 You know, he said that 380. 197 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,320 It blistered the paint on the bottom of the deck. 198 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:43,800 You know. 199 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,320 Yeah. 200 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,680 And, I mean, it's like the the dog was inside and she was staring, you know. 201 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,880 Exactly. And it was like. 202 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,720 And then we looked lock eyes with each other. 203 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,600 You shot it again. 204 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,920 And then I think we said like, well, that wasn't any more fun the second time, 205 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,000 you know. 206 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,520 Of course, that's 207 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,920 why it's a little segue, but the ports but if they had not been ported, 208 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,320 it probably would have been a lot better, you know. 209 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:08,360 Yeah. 210 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,560 But but but and again though, you know, we talked about 32,000 211 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:13,560 people lost their mind. 212 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:16,440 They were saying, oh, you you hate the 327 you hate. 213 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,400 357 no, but that's a classic case of, you know, 214 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,520 a mild loaded 32 or a 22 revolver would really be the answer. 215 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,040 So yeah, but that segways into what we're talking about. 216 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,280 And so you don't want a tiny gun because tiny guns are hard to manipulate. 217 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,360 They're difficult to cite correctly 218 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,280 the general manual of arms getting it out of a holster, 219 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,960 getting it on target, getting a secure grip. 220 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,680 All that is more complicated because it's a little. 221 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,000 Right. 222 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,560 And it's they're a bit ballistically challenged, but you can overcome that. 223 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,880 And so I equate it to, let's say you've never built, 224 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,440 plastic bottle before in your life, ever. 225 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,000 All you've seen, some you have no idea how to do it. 226 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,120 You have no idea what glue to buy. 227 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,680 Or do you paint it or what do you do? 228 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:12,680 Or you don't get the most complicated 229 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,520 micro miniature 230 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,520 functioning steam locomotive? 231 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,520 Yeah. 232 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,360 You know what I mean? Exactly. 233 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Because you don't have the tools, 234 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,680 you don't have the knowledge, you don't have anything. 235 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:26,640 Right? 236 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,000 And you're going to get frustrated and you're going to mess it up 237 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,120 and then you're going to think models are stupid. 238 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,760 I'm never going to buy another one. 239 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:33,720 Right. Exactly. 240 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:39,040 But if you got this like basic car model, that's kind of big, 241 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,400 you know, that's got maybe 30 parts, you know, and a tube glue 242 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,920 and started putting it together. 243 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,800 Well, you would learn a lot. Yeah. 244 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,560 And you know, and you would probably even get it together, you know. 245 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,120 So it kind of looked like a ship or an airplane or. 246 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,480 Wherever it was sort of kind. Of. 247 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,480 Yeah. And so that would then you would think. 248 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,480 But you know, actually that was kind of fun, you know, and I learned a lot. 249 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,080 I learned what paints to use. I learned what glue to buy. 250 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,280 I, you know, so then maybe your next model is going to be 251 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,400 a little bit more complicated, you know, and a little bit more grain. 252 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,000 Guns are exactly the same way. 253 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,280 And so, you know, you you want to start as simple as possible. 254 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:22,120 You know, even though the video games say you need this and even though 255 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,320 the commando behind the kind of the gun store says you did this, 256 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,640 you really, really, really don't, there's nothing wrong with them. 257 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,360 And later on you'll probably end up buying them. Right? 258 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,600 But boy, to get yourself off, in the right foot. 259 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,760 I mean, if, if you're going to start working on your car 260 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,760 and you've never, ever worked on a car before, 261 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,560 you don't flag down the snap on truck 262 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:49,640 and buy the $40,000 toolbox, complete with tools, you know, 263 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,840 because you're not even going to know how to use 99.99% of them. Yep. 264 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,680 And it's the same thing with the guns. 265 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:56,280 You know, 266 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,080 you'll get some semi complicated semi-auto with maybe it has an external safety. 267 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Maybe it has adjustable safety. 268 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,680 But so now you have to work your way through all that. 269 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:08,160 Yeah. You know and and I've heard it 100 times. 270 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,240 And some of you people say or this is the great 271 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,120 when you, you say, have you ever shot in 9011 before people say oh yeah. 272 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,800 Yeah. I shoot them all the time. 273 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,360 I know all about those. Okay. 274 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,920 So you hand them a 1911 and say well here I just got this one, 275 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,400 I thought you might like to shoot it. 276 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,920 And they look down then you see that. Look. 277 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,400 What. Yeah. 278 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,920 What's the lever. What are these drivers for her. 279 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,000 And they kind of fumble a little bit and then they, they like cocked the hammer 280 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,080 back. Right. 281 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,520 And they go, oh well that worked right. You know. 282 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,520 And then they oh there's a magazine in it too. 283 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,040 Yeah. 284 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,800 You know, and then the how do I, how do I load the magazine. 285 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,480 You know what I mean. 286 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,640 So you don't need that if your burst and the, 287 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,160 and the way you, you, you avoid that is by getting a gun. 288 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,120 That's a bigger gun. Right? This is old Colt. 289 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:57,480 You know that I have. 290 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,160 But the beauty of a gun like that is that you can hang on to it. 291 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,760 It's has bigger sights. 292 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,760 It's easy to easier to manipulate, 293 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,520 and you can cut your teeth on it, 294 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:15,080 you know, and the interesting thing about owning a gun like that to me 295 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,160 was that I promise you, you will never sell it. 296 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,400 You know, if you if you buy yourself a four inch K frame. 297 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,560 38 Smith and Wesson revolver or 298 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,560 Taurus or Ruger, I don't care what it is. 299 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,680 You'll cut your teeth with it. 300 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,680 It'll be your first best gun. 301 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,680 And I doubt very much you'll ever sell it. 302 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,600 You really won't. 303 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,200 And it'll probably be one of the guns that you most enjoy shooting. 304 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,280 And you'll drag it out ever. 305 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,600 Once round, put a few rounds to remember all the fun memories you had from it. 306 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Yeah, but by then, after having you got gotten the experience and you've learned 307 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,240 how to clean a gun, you've learned how to carry it to the range and back. 308 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,240 You've learned range, protocol and etiquette. 309 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,960 You know, maybe you got a simple Lee loader and have just begun 310 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,640 to load some 38 special, you know, so you're expanding that world. 311 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,880 Okay, now you can start looking at 312 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,720 little complicated guns, you know? 313 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Right. 314 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:13,280 But, you. 315 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,400 Know, I thought of a perfect analogy while you were talking 316 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,600 that had happened to me this weekend. 317 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,280 I, I undertook the chore of cleaning out my gun locker 318 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,440 and what I call my gun closet because it it was an embarrassment. 319 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,440 How much stuff was there? 320 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,560 So I did a periodic inventory of guns, 321 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,680 and I've got too many handguns, but, one that I pulled out that I carry, 322 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,680 pretty regularly was my North American arms, mini revolver. 323 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,320 And I thought, there's a gun. 324 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,280 That's a perfect example of if somebody said, well, 325 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,640 just get you a little gun, they don't come any smaller than that. 326 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,560 And I love it for that. But you know what? 327 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,640 When I was fumbling around and trying to get it in the, slot, 328 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,920 you know, between chambers and all that stuff, I thought 329 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:04,120 this would scare me to death if I was a novice trying to learn how to shoot. 330 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,960 So that's a perfect example of the whole thing of, yeah, you can get them as small. 331 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,760 I mean, they're literally smaller than the palm of your hand, but 332 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,480 that's not a gun I would recommend to Sam or Suzy Homemaker to. 333 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,800 Well, yeah, just get you one of those. 334 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,600 It's little bitty. It's fine to shoot. 335 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,800 They're difficult to shoot. 336 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,600 They've got a fumbling manual of arms. 337 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,680 There's a lot of things I would say is negative, but I don't mean that 338 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,440 because I love them. 339 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,840 I've got several, and like I said, I carry them. 340 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,040 But that's one of those that that's more of a, intermediate 341 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,200 or expert type of gun rather than, straight out of the gate. 342 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,800 So again, I think that's kind of that analogy we're trying to say here, 343 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,640 smaller is not always better, especially when you're talking to a novice. 344 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Once somebody has been shooting a lot and they know how to manipulate revolvers 345 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,800 and they understand all of it, not a problem. 346 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,800 It's a cool gun and you can put it darn near anywhere. 347 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,400 I think I told the story before. 348 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,760 I used to know an old cop who carried it in a pack of cigarets. 349 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,040 He didn't smoke, but he always figured if he was taken hostage, 350 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,280 you could say, hey, could I have one last cigaret? 351 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,240 Well, sure. Pops. 352 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,440 Here, let me get my cigaret. 353 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,760 And, you know, it's it's far better than than a, 354 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,840 big rock, especially close up. 355 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,400 You know, you put a 22 Magnum in somebodys, face and pull the trigger. 356 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,680 It will get their attention. So. 357 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,040 But that's not that's not the gun out of the gate. 358 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,560 And they're cute as the Dickens, and they're easy to carry, but 359 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,800 they're a little specialized in their knowledge. 360 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,320 Well, if you're getting your first car, 361 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000 you don't buy a Ferrari. 362 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Some do, and we always see it in the news. 363 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,520 What happens next? 364 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,520 It's another one of those things, like English car peoples. 365 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,720 I've seen this before. 366 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,960 You have to, maybe have a father who is kind of a car guy. 367 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:51,840 Right. 368 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,600 And so his daughter now is 16, and she's going to get her first car, 369 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,480 so he gets her some little British sports car, right? 370 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,920 Yeah. Or just as bad. 371 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Some BMW something, you know, and, 372 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,320 and then all the trouble starts, right? 373 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,160 And I know people say, hey, I have a Volkswagen rabbit, and it's run forever. 374 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:14,640 That's great. 375 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Sometimes that happens, you know. 376 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,480 Yeah, but but it where he should have gotten her, 377 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:24,000 you know, a basic Ford something you know, or a key or something. 378 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,080 And the guns are the same way. 379 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,640 Because if you, if you come out of the gate with zero experience, 380 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,800 like my friend who has zero experience, if I said, well, you need to get the, 381 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,400 you know, a CC 75, 382 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:45,000 full size nine millimeter with ten magazines, a red dot site, 383 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,160 you know, I mean, he he just he would have been overwhelmed by it all. 384 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Yeah. 385 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,760 And, and, those things all end up gathering dust in a drawer somewhere. 386 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,800 Or you see him for sale. 387 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,000 Used cheap in gun stores, you know? Yeah. 388 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,600 Usually a company with a box of ammunition missing, like, eight rounds. 389 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,920 Oh, you know. 390 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,160 But, yeah, the the bigger the caliber, 391 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,640 the more you more you find that it's, only three rounds shot through it. 392 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,640 You didn't even make it through an entire cylinder magazine. 393 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:15,360 It's true. 394 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:16,800 Well, yeah. 395 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,320 And but you bring up a good point, which is just because I'm saying 396 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,880 that you need to get a bigger gun doesn't mean that your first gun 397 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,880 is a 6.5in model 2944 Magnum. 398 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,040 No, but. Dirty Harry did. Yeah. 399 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,760 Now, there's there's nothing wrong with that. 400 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,000 And if your hand's big enough that you can control it, then that's fine. 401 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,560 But you need to be shooting modest hand loads or 40 for special and stuff 402 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,640 like that while you get your feet underneath you, you know, 403 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,920 I mean, because they're actually, they're, they're easy to shoot. 404 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,520 You're a full size end frame. 405 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,160 Smith and Wesson is probably one of the easiest revolvers around to shoot. 406 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,440 It's easy to hold on to. 407 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,560 It's kind of heavy. 408 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,560 So it lowers whatever recoil you're shooting for. 409 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,000 They used to make something called a heavy duty, 410 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000 which looked like a Smith and Wesson Model ten. 411 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,920 So fixate, you know, just a basic gun. 412 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,120 They used to make that only biggie sized. 413 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,120 It was on an N frame and it was 38 special. 414 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,800 And so, gosh, I've had a few of them and they are so much fun to shoot 415 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:22,960 because there's like no recoil and they're easy to see the sights 416 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,960 and they're, they're just they're wonderful. 417 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,720 And so there's nothing wrong with an N frame, but you just have to have 418 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,800 your sense about it. 419 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,240 You know, you don't you don't buy your first deer hunting rifle 420 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,320 and have it be a three, seven, five Holland Hall at Magnum, you know? 421 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,480 Yeah. 422 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,200 Well, and I think some of this, you know, we've been talking about, the husbands 423 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,200 asking for a gun and the wife's, you know, trying to work and work it out. 424 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,080 I've been asked occasionally if, parents. 425 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,680 Well, my son wants to get into shooting. 426 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,000 I'm like, good on them. 427 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,920 You know, he he's wanting this, 428 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,440 I don't know, Desert Eagle or, you know, something really crazy. 429 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,400 I'm speaking to the, video game generation here. 430 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,760 If you're really starting 431 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,680 to move into actual firearms, everything you learned on that video game, 432 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,280 even though they have a basis in reality, is completely fake and false. 433 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,160 And and it's virtual. 434 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,160 It's not real. So, 435 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,880 I'm glad you've been on 10,000 missions on Call of Duty, 436 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,200 and, you know, you are a top tier one, the ultra. 437 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,240 You know, suave master of of taking down tangos. 438 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,240 That's a game. The real world is different. 439 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880 So I don't know that anybody's going to listen to me. 440 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,160 But the point being is you got to start back at square one 441 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,000 because you didn't become ultra def dealer 5000. 442 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,240 The first day you played that video game, you didn't. 443 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,840 You certainly aren't going to do it if you go to the range with this 444 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,240 really exotic or really powerful gun that you've wanted, 445 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,760 because you've shot at 100,000 rounds on video. 446 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,520 It's, it's it's real world. 447 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,960 And there are things like physics and recoil and etc. etc. 448 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,560 and I just, I have to get that out because I, I occasionally run across, 449 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,400 friends of friends or nephews or kind of thing. 450 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,960 Yeah, man, I want one of these. 451 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,760 And it's like you ever shot one? Well, yeah, it's not a lot. 452 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Video game. 453 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,480 It's like you have no idea. So slow. 454 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,360 I think my favorite line. 455 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,160 Slow down, Speed racer. 456 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,440 You know, you got to walk before you run. 457 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,040 I have a nephew who's now 20, chasing 20, I think. 458 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,840 And, he used to come out and spend a couple weeks with us regularly 459 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,160 as he was growing up. 460 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,480 And, when he was about 15, 461 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,280 you know, he asked me about guns, certain, 462 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,000 you know, we'd shot 22 some stuff he said, but he said, do you have a P38? 463 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,160 And I said, yeah. 464 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,400 And he said, do you have an M1 carbine? 465 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,680 And I said, yeah. 466 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,960 And so he went on, like, do you have a mauser 98? 467 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,720 I said, yeah. And then I said, whoa, time out. 468 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,560 How do you know all this? 469 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,080 Yeah, because he doesn't read gun magazines or anything. 470 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320 Yeah, right. And it was Call of Duty. 471 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,400 Yeah. He said, oh well you know. 472 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,960 Yeah I'm and and Mosin Nagant. 473 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,400 I mean he knew artillery Luger. 474 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,800 You have one of those right. 475 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,240 And so I said, I said well I know you haven't tried anything like that. 476 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,960 Right. And he said, well, you know, I've shot on the video game all the time. 477 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,360 My favorite gunners. 478 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,840 M1 Garand. I said, okay, cool. 479 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,360 So I went and got my Garand. 480 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,640 36 went right. 481 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600 And I took it outside and I showed him how it worked. 482 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,000 I showed him how to load the clip, which is, you know, and I showed him 483 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,840 how to insert the clip in the gun, which we you and I both know. 484 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,280 It's pretty complicated. 485 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,800 It's not like on the video games, it was like you're reloaded, right? 486 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,280 Yeah. 487 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Or you push a button and it reloads it automatically, you know? 488 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,680 And, Anyway, so I got him down at the bench 489 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,840 because it's a big, heavy gun. 490 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,120 He's kind of a smallish guy. 491 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,760 And so he sighted on it my 80 yard steel gang 492 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,920 that you and I have shot at a million times. 493 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,800 And I said, okay, take a breath, set your sights on squeeze the trigger. 494 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,960 And so he let off for one of those 36 rounds, 495 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600 you know, with a Garand, there's a lot that goes on there. 496 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,960 Recoil, the purely, you know, the cartridge case, it go comes out. 497 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:22,280 And I will always remember he his eyes got really wide and he looked up at me. 498 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:22,920 Yeah. 499 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,400 And I said, I said, yeah, it's kind of not like a video game, 500 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,160 And so after he shot a couple of clips through it and he heard the chain. 501 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,840 Yeah. And he said, you know what? What was that? 502 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,120 And I explained it. 503 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:38,720 So he said, well, can I shoot it fast one time? 504 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,880 And I said, sure, 505 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,960 you know. 506 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,480 So he got back down on the target and he tried, he like, 507 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,360 you know, bang, bang, bang, bang. And they were the first shot. 508 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:50,880 And then the next 2 or 3 were like, 509 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,560 who knows where they were on the side of the hill. 510 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,240 Right. 511 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,240 And he said, well, that's pretty much nothing like 512 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,280 the video game at all, you know? 513 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,200 And so we shot a, P38, we shot a Luger, 514 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,160 we shot an M1 carbine, we shot an M1, a 515 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,200 and he basically he came away 516 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,080 thinking completely different about his video game. 517 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,760 It was really interesting was he said, yeah, this was not at all 518 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,280 what I thought was gonna, you know, well. 519 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,560 How about that? 520 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,960 I know I think the other thing is that if somebody gets a little gun 521 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,680 ad or maybe you're, you inherit 522 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,080 a, a J frame or a small gun, you know, and you don't you're not really a shooter. 523 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,320 So and you think, well, you know, 524 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,120 maybe I'm going to learn about this gun, maybe I'm going to shoot and that's fine. 525 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,840 Nothing wrong with that at all. 526 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,320 So you go to the range and they look at it and they go, 527 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,720 oh, well, you know, that's a 357 Magnum, Smith and Wesson. 528 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,360 So you need this. 529 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,080 And he puts up a box of 158 grain plus 530 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,080 P3 57 Magnum, Buffalo bore. 531 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,280 You know, loads. 532 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,040 And the they go, they go. 533 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,920 Oh. Okay. 534 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680 You know, and here's a set of earmuffs. 535 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,960 You need those and here's some shooting glasses. 536 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,960 You need those. 537 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,680 Now on out there to the indoor range. 538 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,680 And then Peter will show you how to load it. 539 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,280 Yeah. 540 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,480 And so they probably don't even dry fire it. 541 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,120 Right. Yeah. 542 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,320 So then they're going to load it and they're going to hold it up there 543 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,800 poorly right. Flat footed. You've seen him. 544 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280 They kind of lean back a little bit you know. 545 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Yeah. Yeah. 546 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,960 And then they're going to let fly with that first round 547 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,400 which they're going to jerk the trigger on. 548 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,720 They're just going to pull it through like that right. Yeah. 549 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,880 And if the gun stays in their hand, 550 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,360 you'll see that. 551 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,360 Look, you know, and usually that, 552 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,800 you know, sometimes they turn around, they go, Holy cow, that kicks a lot, Yeah. 553 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,000 You know. Right. 554 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Yeah. So does. Grasshopper. 555 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,320 Yeah. 556 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,480 And, or they'll swat change hands and you see him going like this, like. 557 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,640 Oh, yeah. Oh, right. 558 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,520 And then maybe the guy's laugh and going, yeah, 559 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,520 it's pretty funny as it kicks pretty hard. 560 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,640 Shoot it again. 561 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,520 So if he gets him to shoot it again well then that could be the last time 562 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,360 that guy ever shoots a gun. Yeah. You know. Yeah. 563 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,840 Well, certainly if it's a woman, it's 564 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240 the last time she's ever going to shoot a gun. Absolutely. 565 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,400 And even a revolver. 566 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,480 We, you know, we've talked about there's video, a lot of video 567 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,360 out there of a double fire where if you're not familiar, a, 568 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,800 revolver handled poorly with too much recoil when it comes back. 569 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000 If people don't manage that as they're fighting it, 570 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,640 they can sometimes pull that trigger and it's so fast you almost can't see it. 571 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,480 But there have been cases where it came all the way back and the gun went off. 572 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,600 So yeah. Even a revolver can be challenging. 573 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,920 You know, where they they you see him? 574 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,120 Just YouTube. Thank you. YouTube. Right. 575 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,520 All the hysterical gun goofs 576 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,080 and they'll shoot and the hammer come up and hit him between the eyes. 577 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,480 And, you know, that's why it's just you have to be careful. 578 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,320 I mean, what I teach some people how to weld because, 579 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,800 you know, it's like I'm that guy. 580 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,040 They all say, oh, I know some guy who welds, right? 581 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,280 So you're that guy? 582 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,560 Yeah, I'm that guy. 583 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,200 But I don't start them. Tig welding. 584 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,600 No. Yeah. 585 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,720 I mean, they come up and I get my MiG welder out, and I set it up really basic. 586 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,920 I put the safety equipment on them, you know? 587 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,560 Yeah. I explain how to do it. 588 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,320 We kind of hold their hand and we go through the motions 589 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,840 without it really welding, and that I get really simple piece of steel. 590 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,880 And then we turn it on and I hold their hand, and then I go, 591 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,440 and we lay the first little bead, and then it's like, 592 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,440 okay, now let's talk about it, you know? Wow. 593 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,640 That was like, you know, that was louder than I thought it was going to be. 594 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,360 And, you know, and it's bright and and it's harder than I thought it was. 595 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,360 And I said, yeah, it is. Right. 596 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,560 But usually about an hour or two later, you know, they're welding up some weirdo, 597 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,840 you know, piece of steel sculpture, you know, all the different. 598 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,760 But but at the end they're really happy about it. 599 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,520 I had I started that same person because I've done it before. 600 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,760 Somebody says, I want to learn how to tig weld. 601 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120 No, you don't know. I do it. Really? I can do it. 602 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,320 Okay, okay. 603 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,000 Yeah. Okay. Here. Sorry. 604 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,080 And then they can't. 605 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,800 Of course they ground out the Tig torch and they, you know, make a mess. 606 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,600 And they, And then I go, okay, now, do you want to learn to weld? 607 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,760 Let's go get the big welder. 608 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,920 Do you do that thing? Not saying it happened to me. 609 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,800 Oh, that's a nice piece. 610 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,400 Think. Yeah. 611 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,520 How'd that happen? 612 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,920 Well, the same thing. 613 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600 Yeah. Well, you know, in the time we've got left, 614 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,680 I actually got to think of a interesting, 615 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,800 discussion question, and I will say it. 616 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,840 And this is going to be controversial because we've both 617 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,680 been on the other side of this. 618 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,840 I will say I don't think giving a gun 619 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,840 is necessarily a good idea for Christmas. 620 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,680 I, I love the idea and I think especially a younger person, 621 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,560 when they get that 22, you know, it is one of those watershed moments in life. 622 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,320 But unless the parent is an avid shooter 623 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,320 and really knows what they're doing, and they can make a good, 624 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,440 intelligent judgment about what the kid needs 625 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440 or the spouse or the brother in law or whatever. 626 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400 I don't know that that a gun as a gift. 627 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,400 Unless, again, you really know what you're talking about, 628 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,240 for starters, is all that good of an idea. 629 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,560 So again, we'll get comments. 630 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,000 You know, you're an idiot. 631 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,440 And, well, I am an idiot, but I'm telling you, I've, you know, 632 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,520 I, I've been on the other side of it. 633 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,320 I certainly know you have, Roy. 634 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,880 And and it is a wonderful gift that, you know, probably got us 635 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,200 where we're at, right now. 636 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,680 But I think if you're starting from a place of you don't know if it's, 637 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640 lever semi-auto 638 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640 32, what is called an Wesson, 639 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,040 maybe you ought to defer and tell that person I'll buy you gun 640 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,560 accessories, or, you know, I'll buy you training 641 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,280 and you can rent a gun, but maybe starting out just buying a gun 642 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,240 is probably not the optimal way to start somebody down that path. 643 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000 To learn to be a shooter. 644 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,960 I agree completely. 645 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,080 I think when it's like having a kid, you know, my dad was really funny. 646 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,320 He was a clinical psychologist and he said, 647 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,040 and he did marriage and family therapy and he said, 648 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,360 people or talk about how, oh, we want to save our relationship. 649 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,320 We want to have a baby. Right? 650 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,240 And he would always tell them, well, that's fine. 651 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080 But then do you have 18 years to spare? 652 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,840 You know, because and to me, when you if you give somebody a gun, like 653 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,080 if you give somebody a gun, if I had a son or daughter 654 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,360 and when they're 11 years old and I say, well, here's your first 22 rifle. 655 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,800 Well, what I've just done now is tied myself closer to them. 656 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,960 And that gun. 657 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,720 And so from then on, you need to always be there, 658 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,360 you know, you need to be teaching and being safe and, you know, 659 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,320 making sure they don't mess things up and training them. 660 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,400 And and it's not a give it and walk away. 661 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,640 It's not a socket set, you know. Right. 662 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,040 Here's a socket set. Go work on your bicycle. 663 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,640 You know what? 664 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,400 They can't really hurt themselves. You're right there. 665 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,080 And so now I agree with you completely because I've seen it. 666 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,320 You see non gun parents who maybe know somebody like us 667 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,320 and we talk about guns in this in there have a lot of fun and stuff. 668 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,000 And they say 669 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,120 well you know maybe that Johnny wants that would just get him a 22 rifle. 670 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:27,800 Right. 671 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000 Well they have nowhere they know how to shoot where they can shoot. 672 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,640 They don't know anything about the gun. 673 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,920 So probably buying the wrong thing, right? 674 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,640 They have no idea what ammunition to buy. 675 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,720 They have no idea what safety equipment to have. 676 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,400 They have no idea how to make it safe or not. 677 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,720 You know, and I would stretch that all the way to baby guns. 678 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360 You know, unless, you know about baby guns. 679 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,800 Don't buy your kid a baby gun, you know, because they are going to mess up. 680 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,160 Or I was going to say, or you'll end up like me, which I guess I've ended up okay. 681 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,160 But I did a lot of damage when I was a kid with a Bebe gun because, 682 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,320 yeah, I've I've said it before, my parents were not shooters. 683 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,000 My grandfather was, but, you know, I got a really nice baby 684 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000 gun when I was a kid, and I terrorized the world. 685 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,600 But I think we all did. 686 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,120 Yeah, I'm not proud of it, you know? 687 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,800 But, boy, you learned what not to do in retrospect, you know? 688 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,560 Yeah, but I think if the lesson here, or at least the lesson I wanted to get out 689 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,120 was, you know, start medium to big ish, 690 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,120 start smaller caliber, not bigger caliber. 691 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,720 You know, start basic rather than complicated. 692 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,760 And, but that applies across a board to just about everything, you know, 693 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,000 I mean, if you're if you're being introduced to tools 694 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,360 for the first time, if you're getting the first tools 695 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,440 for your old ten year old who wants to work on his pedal car, 696 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,160 if they have such things anymore, or bicycle. 697 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,760 Well, like I said before, you don't get him the snap on master set. 698 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,040 You know, you go to Harbor Freight and buy a $5 socket set and a $5 open end wrench 699 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,560 set in one of those blister packs with 4 or 5 different kinds of pliers 700 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,400 and wire cutters and stuff. Right. 701 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,960 And a screwdriver set. 702 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,120 Okay. He's good to go. Yeah. Right. 703 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,880 And then he'll learn, and then someday he'll say, you know, 704 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,800 dad, this socket I keep breaking this socket thing, you know? 705 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,720 Can I get a better one? Yeah. 706 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:21,080 It's like. 707 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520 Well, I mean, that's a perfect example of yesterday. 708 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,160 I spent the day with my son, replacing some the new the headlights on his car. 709 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,920 And in his particular car, you basically have to disassemble the front of the car. 710 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,800 And I was really proud of him because he's got good tools. 711 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,320 But we were talking about it. 712 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,880 And, you know, I bought him a cheap set. At one point. 713 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,840 He realized once you've had a cheap set, then you can appreciate a good set. 714 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,360 And it's that process. 715 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,800 Basically, I stood aside and let him do all the work, 716 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,920 and it was just a really proud dad moment that, you know, we talked about tools 717 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,560 and what makes good tools and, and I think it started him off right. 718 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,600 Having cheap, inexpensive understanding that, you know, 719 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,400 there's better ways to do this, but unless you've gone that cheap route before. 720 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,480 And the other thing about cars, I said, 721 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,280 you know, he's like, how'd you learn to do this and that? 722 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,280 And I said, I've had a lot of really awful cars. 723 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,200 And, you either fix it or you don't, and you walk. 724 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,120 So, you know, there's there's value there in learning. 725 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,480 And as a parent, you're like, wow, I really wish I could buy him a brand new 726 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,560 Yukon. 727 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,760 Well, you know, I knew kids in school that that had that. 728 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,280 One of my best friends had a new Mustang. 729 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,120 And it was great to cruise with girls. 730 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,120 But to this day, I don't think he knows how to change his own oil. 731 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,040 I, on the other hand, know how to use Bondo and 732 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,160 and basically build a quarterback panel out Bondo. 733 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520 So you know it works. 734 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,520 They don't have to have the best out of the gate. No. 735 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,120 But you actually, you brought up a really important point is that, you 736 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,840 know, guns are sort of not a self repair item generally. 737 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880 So you don't want to buy the $5 738 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,960 socket set of guns when you get your first one. 739 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,160 It's okay to be affordable. 740 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,680 Buy a Rossi, buy a Taurus. 741 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,440 But you know, something like that. That's fine. 742 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,600 But don't buy a rusty beater in the gun store thinking I'm going to fix this up, 743 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,600 you know? 744 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,200 Because unless you really know what you're doing, you won't be all right. 745 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Well, I please don't yell at us in the comments. 746 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,160 I'm not saying that little guns are bad. 747 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,120 We're not saying 44 magnums are bad. 748 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,200 We're not saying 380 revolvers are bad. 749 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,080 Not at all. 750 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,040 But I think if you could come away with a pocket full of ideas 751 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,000 and new information, things that you can you can keep in mind 752 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200 if you're about to go down this route, you know, 753 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,440 or maybe you already own a small frame revolver and you hate it. 754 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,400 Well, maybe now you've learned how to not hate your next gun so much. 755 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,760 Yeah. 756 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,720 Well, and wrap it up with my point of and maybe it's 757 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,000 not the right time to buy somebody a gun so that that that's okay, too. 758 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,520 We're allowed to say no in life. 759 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,320 And that's something I'm still learning at age 63. 760 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,800 But we are allowed to say no. 761 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,440 And as you always say, right, nobody's hair will catch on fire. 762 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,600 It'll be. Flat. His hair will catch on fire. 763 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,720 All right. We'll leave it. 764 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,360 Leave us a comment down below. 765 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,360 Or if you're listening to this show, you can reach me 766 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,360 at editor at Guns podcast. Dot us. 767 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,520 And while you're out 768 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,800 and about on the internet, make sure you stop by guns magazine.com. 769 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,120 We both contribute regularly to that, and there's lots of good stuff out there. 770 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,800 And there's years and years 771 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,520 and years of good articles about pretty much everything and shooting. 772 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,600 So check out Guns magazine.com and also sign up for our daily newsletter. 773 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,120 Get all kinds of, great stuff delivered directly to your email inbox. 774 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,280 And of course, it's the holiday season, so stop by Guns 775 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,440 podcast, dot us and get your t shirt or coffee mug. 776 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,280 So anyway, Roy, it was a great discussion and, we'll have another one next week. 777 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:54,960 Same time, 778 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,640 same bat channel, as they used to say, for those of us old enough to remember. 779 00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,040 Yeah. 780 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,000 So on behalf of Roy Huntington, I'm really glad you stopped by. 781 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000 And you, you pay attention to what we're doing here, 782 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,680 because otherwise we'll have to get jobs. 783 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,520 So anyway, as I always say at the end of every podcast, now get out 784 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,920 there and get shooting.