Welcome.

It is Verdic with Ted Cruz Weekend Review Ben Ferguson with you, and here are some of the big stories that you may have missed that we talked about this past week.

First up, Donald Trump's message to the world on the peace Agreement, What was behind it, how did it get done, and how big could this be for peace in the Middle East.

We break it down for you.

Also, Charlie Kirk's widow receives the Medal of Freedom award for her husband.

This was a touching moment the White House and Senator Cruz was there for it.

And finally Eric Trump joins us the present son to talk about how much it costs the Trump family to fight all of the legal warfare.

It's the weekend Review and it starts right now.

So so many people that are listening to Verdict.

They're going to get to not only I think here, from probably leadership in Israel in the next several hours.

It's certainly going to happen in the morning or midday.

You're also going to be able to hear from the President United States of America.

What do you expect his message to be?

And this is by the way, all happening right now while the federal government is still shut down in the US.

And I want to get your take on that in a moment.

But what do you expect to hear from the president today?

Look, I think the President is going to say, this is an historic day.

This peace agreement is a moment of history that ended a war that has extended for two years, that freed people who have been in captivity for two years subject to horrific treatment.

And I think he's going to say, I expect the parties to stick to the terms of the agreement.

I think he is going to continue with peace through strength.

He's going to continue with the opposite of weakness and appeasement because we don't get to this peace agreement without President Trump's strength.

And then this is one thing to remember that there are some observers who want to say that Donald Trump is an isolationist.

He has never been an isolationist.

He is Look the first term that Trump was in office, when when he came into office, he inherited an Isis caliphate that had grown under Barack Obama that was the size of the state of Indiana.

They had an entire nation state to wage terror against America.

And Donald Trump utterly decimated and destroyed it.

Within months, the caliphate was gone.

He completely defeated them.

He also took out General Solomoni, who took out Al bag Daddy.

Those are not the actions of an isolationist.

You look at the second term uh where he's been bombing the living daylights out of the Huthis who are attacking ships going through the Suez Canal.

He is bombing the heck out of narco terrorist off the coast of Venezuela.

And by the way, Machada was smart to to say he deserved it, because look, her efforts fighting Maduro are very important, and they're and they're they're courageous.

But President Trump's strength is the single factor that makes it most likely that the Maduro regime will be toppled and and so it in Trump taking out those narcert terrorists is another example of peace through strength.

And finally, the the Iran bombing run taking out their nuclear facilities.

None of those are the acts of an isolationists.

Now, to be clear, President Trump is also not an interventionist.

He's not invading foreign countries.

I don't expect to see the Marines engaged in invading other countries other than to protect the vital security interest of America, to keep America safe.

The only instance in which we would see a ground war is is where there was a direct danger to the lives of Americans.

And in those instances, President Trump is willing to use military force, but he's not engaged in this broader endeavor to send in our military to try to turn every country in the world into some utopian democracy.

That's not the job of the military.

Donald Trump doesn't think it's the job of the military.

And the result, strength is the best way to avoid war.

Our enemies are afraid of Donald Trump.

That is a very good thing.

Hamas is afraid of Donald Trump.

Hesbla is afraid of Donald Trump.

Iran is afraid of Donald Trump.

Maduro is afraid of Donald Trump.

China and Russia are afraid of Donald Trump.

All of that is good because America is safer and we are much likely more likely to avoid military conflict when our enemies are afraid of the commander in chief than when our enemies.

You look at Joe Biden, when they look and say, the commander in chief is weak and completely incapacitated.

And that is why we went from no wars across the globe to two wars Ukraine and Gaza, both raging under Joe Biden.

That's what happens when you you have a week and appeasing president.

An update for everyone on the government shutdown here in the US.

We are into two weeks now of this government's shutdown.

We are starting to see it affect people's lives or seeing healthcare issues with those for example in San Antonio, I was there today talking about there's a lot of people there that are saying that the providers are not able to get the money and the funding they need.

Doctors are frustrated.

The Schumer shutdown is really starting to hurt people in our military, their kids, those with special needs as well.

Your reaction, how much longer this is going to continue?

And do you see any movement this week?

Well, we're right now in day twelve of the Schumer shutdown and the government is shut down because over and over and over again the Democrats are voting to shut the government down.

And I will say, you know, it's actually interesting today on Twitter, fifty three Republicans was trending, and the reason it was trending was an exchange back and forth that I had with Gavin Newsom on the shutdown.

So Gavin Newsom tweeted out, Wow, that is wild.

I wonder who has control of the White House, Senate and the House.

And this is one of the Democrat talking points as well.

This is the Republican's fault because the President and the Senate and the House are all in Republican control.

Here's what I responded on ax.

I said, Gavin is deliberately lying.

To fund the government takes sixty votes in the Senate.

There are only fifty three Republicans.

We need at least seven Democrats.

We keep voting to open the government, Dems keep voting to shut it down.

Gavin Newsom knows this, and he's lying to you.

And as of right now, that's had one point seven million views.

It was trending on Twitter.

And it's the simple fact we cannot pass funding for the government without sixty votes in the Senate.

That means there is nothing Republicans can do to fund this on our own.

The Democrats all know this.

We have voted, I think eight times now the Republicans have voted to open the government to fund the government, and every Democrat but I think three, have voted no.

And that's why we have a shutdown.

Now.

We're all expected to go back to d C on Tuesday of this week and we'll vote again to fund the government.

I voted to fund the government now, over and over and over again.

I'll vote again on Tuesday to fund the government.

And I think it is very likely right now the Democrats will continue the Schumer shutdown.

Wow.

And I'll tell you what I think is one of the major reasons is coming up on October seventeenth.

There is this big rally in d C, No King's Rally, where a bunch of the left wing radicals are coming to d C.

And what most of my colleagues believe is that the Democrat senators are terrified of opening the government before that rally because they don't want their crazy base, the same base that almost cost Schumer the job his job last time.

They don't want their crazy base to get angry.

And so I think most of us.

So you're telling me the American people right now that there's a very good chance that the government shutdown will continue because of a rally date.

Yep.

And that date again is what October seventeenth.

Okay, so the thirteenth fourteenthifte Okay, so we got another five six days of this just to get to the rally, and then maybe we'll actually do their job and like fund the government.

Look, at some point they're going to do their job and fund the government.

But you know, a bunch of federal federal employees are about to miss their first paycheck.

I'll tell you.

Ordinarily, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines would lose their first paycheck as well.

The Trump Department of Wars said they're going to move some funds around and pay our servicemen and women, and Democrats are furious.

How dare you find a way?

Look, I don't know if they can do it because it is not easy with the funding paused, but the Democrats don't care.

And I'll tell you one of the great acts of hypocrisy is the Democrat congressmen are all paying themselves, or most of them, maybe I don't know about all, but so under the twenty eighth Amendment to the Constitution, the compensation of a member of Congress cannot be reduced during your term of office, which means during a shutdown, House members and senators get paid no matter what, even though everyone else their paycheck.

Stop.

Elected members of Congress get their paycheck.

Now you can say no.

So I sent a letter to the Secretary of the Senate saying, please hold my paycheck, do not pay me.

I do not want that money deposited my account until the government shutdown ends, until our service members are being paid.

I'm not going to pay myself.

But you look at these Democrats who are happily shutting the government down.

They're also taking their own paycheck and saying, gosh, I like being paid.

And you know they are not troubled at all if some young corporal serving overseas suddenly doesn't get his paycheck and can't pay his bills this week.

Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, you can go back and listen to the full podcast from earlier this week.

Now onto story number two.

Speaking of the White House, as you just mentioned, you were there with many Cabinet members that were in attendance for a really, I think special moment.

You and I had the honor and the privilege to go to the memorial service for Charlie Kirk.

What we witnessed today was something incredible.

Donald Trump awarded Charlie Kirk the Medal of Freedom on what would have been his thirty second birthday at the White House and his wife, his widow, Erica, was there to accept this.

It was a moving moment and you were there for all of it.

So it was truly a beautiful It was a beautiful day.

It was a beautiful fall day at October at Washington, DC.

See, the sun was out.

We were in the Rose Garden, and in the Rose garden you had you had a lot of members of Congress, you had virtually the entire cabinet came out for it, and Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, was there.

The President really, i think did a very good job remembering Charlie, speaking speaking from the heart, honoring Charlie's legacy, and presenting him with the highest civilian honor we have in this country, and in the military context, the Medal of Honor is the highest recipient that can be awarded an individual.

In the civilian context, the Medal of Freedom, it is the highest honor that can be awarded an individual.

And to give it to Charlie, it was bittersweet because Charlie would have been thirty two, He was a young man, He had an incredibly bright future.

As you and I have talked about.

We both have known Charlie a long time.

I considered Charlie a very close friend.

Heidie and I met Charlie when he was just eighteen years old, when he was a kid, you know, at the ceremony at the White House, I met Charlie's parents.

I had not met his parents before, and I had an opportunity to just just tell both his mom and dad say, look, look, Hidie and I we love Charlie.

And when we got to know him fourteen years ago, his vision then was as clear as it was the day he died.

His vision of creating a movement to energize, to mobilize young people, to mobilize young people to love freedom, to love free enterprise, to love the Constitution, to love America.

That vision, you could see it.

What I met at me was this tall, lanky, eighteen year old kid.

He was freshouted high school, had not gone to college.

And you gotta remember the context.

This is twenty twelve, beginning of twenty thirteen.

Barack Obama had just been reelect The Democrats were resurgent at that point.

Young people being a Democrat at an Obama Democrat was hip and cool.

The idea of energizing a lot of young people to be conservatives, frankly, sounded looney.

It did not sound like an easy task at all.

A lot of people in the Republican Party said this will never work.

But Charlie had a vision.

And I was telling his mom and dad, I said, look, his vision was extraordinary.

One of the things I said to them is I said, look, I'm queer grieving the loss of your son.

He was extraordinarm So sorry, so sorry for your loss.

But I said, you know what I think, in the last month, it may well be possible that more people have heard the Gospel than in any comparable period of our lifetimes.

That that memorial service in Arizona for Charlie was a global event where people heard the gospel.

And I got to say at at Charlie's funeral service when Erica stood up and she talked about how when Jesus was hanging on the cross and he was looking down at the Roman soldiers who had nailed him to the cross, who were in the process of killing him, and Jesus said, from the cross, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

And she talked about how how Charlie really had a mission for young people, particularly young men, young men who were often disaffected, disillusion to help them find find their way and find find a purpose in life, a meaningful purpose that provides real, real satisfaction and real reason uh for living.

And she talked about that young man who shot Charlie, that young man, and then she said, and I got to say, she was doing this wind up.

I knew you, knew where she was going.

And I to tell you understand, you and I were standing next to each other.

I literally held my breath.

I'm like, is she going to be able to say this?

And she stood up with the eyes of the world upon him and said, that young man, the young man who pulled the trigger and murdered her husband, murdered the father of her children.

She said, I forgive him.

I don't know that There was a dry eye in the house.

And one of the things that is so incredible is millions of people were watching that, and listen.

If you're a Christian, you understand, just like Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do, even as they were killing him.

But if you're not a Christian, I believe thousands, if not millions of people looked at each other and said, how can she say that?

Where does that come from?

Where does that forgiveness come from?

Where does that love come from?

And I think it was as powerful a testament of the Gospel as as as as we have seen in a long long time, and and and and it and I got to say today the President spoke beautifully.

And by the way, when Erica said I forgive him Ben, I hope and pray you or I are never in that situation.

I don't know that those words could come out of my mouth.

I would want them to, I would desperately want them to.

But I that the strength it took for her to say those words I find utterly astonishing.

And I just I told Charlie's parents, I said, listen, I so wish Charlie were with us today.

But millions have heard the Gospel in the last seven weeks because of Charlie.

And that is one hell of a legacy, you know.

I think one of the most incredible things that you just mentioned is the legacy.

And one of the things that the present said today at the White House for people that didn't hear it, was talking about Charlie Kirk being a martyr, and this is what the President said about that.

He said on the day that he was assassinated.

Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth and for freedom, and from Socrates to Think and to Saint Peter, from Abraham Lincoln to Martin Luther King, those who change history the most, and he really did have always risked their lives for causes they were put on earth to defend.

He was put on earth to do exactly what he was doing.

He didn't want to waste time.

He would have been a top student at any college in the country I know, to college as well.

He was smarter than the guys.

He was so smart.

But he almost I guess, didn't have the time.

He knew what he wanted to do.

It wasn't like Jae, I want to sit in this classroom for four years listening to people teach me liberal principles because they were never going to teach him that anyway.

But he didn't have the time.

He really didn't have the time.

But every time the enemies of goodness and virtue tried to silence the voice of righteous and noble leaders like Charlie, they failed.

They seem to fail.

Ultimately, they look like they're doing well and then they end up failing because the truth has been unrelenting over the years, over history, and people like Charlie, it's just they've got a power that others don't have, and very few people will ever have.

So today, like those martyrs before him, Charlie's voice, his message, and his legacy are stronger and greater than ever before.

They are greater than ever before.

You know him saying as I said on the day he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth and for freedom.

Yep.

And I couldn't agree more.

To compare him as he did to Saint Peter, to Abraham Lincoln, to Martin Luther King Junior.

These are people that change history.

Charlie will be remembered in the same breath with those types of leaders, and I think that's part of the legacy.

And as you mentioned, not only did Charlie and his legacy now it is one hundred percent setting I think young men and young women on fire to be bolder in their faith, to be better Christians and to seek the truth of the Bible and the Gospel, and just what he was able to do in his death is phenomenal.

But also what he was doing to fight for this country at the same time, that is going to be a legacy that's going to live on because so many people they are going to do it for Charlie.

I think you and I would include ourselves in that as well.

Well.

Listen, he was very much.

He was a martyr for freedom and a martyr for truth.

I also told Charlie's parents, I think more people heard Charlie's words of the last four weeks that then her them in the entire thirty one nearly thirty two years of his life.

That the number of people who went and said, who was this Charlie Kirk guy?

What did he have to say?

Who listened to exchanges as he was on college campuses, as he was engaging with people who disagreed with him, as he treated them with respect, with dignity.

That is a powerful legacy.

I will tell you.

One of the things that was also striking about the Metal of Freedom ceremony is it was a continuation of a conversation that happened at Charlie's funeral ceremony.

So at the funeral, Erica Kirk spoke and I mentioned how she said that that she forgives the murderer who murdered her husband, and she talks about how Jesus teaches us to love our enemies.

And and you know, Trump spoke at the funeral, and he gave, I think, very strong remarks.

But one of the things he said is he said that's something he had a great deal of difficulty doing.

That he did not love his enemies, that he hated his enemy, and he liked to fight his enemies.

And he kind of laughed about it, but he said that, and and and it was that was a back and forth from Arizona.

Well in the Rose Garden, Trump brought it up again and and and look, President Trump knew Charlie very well.

And he said, you know, I know Erica talked about how he loved his enemies.

But he said, you know, when I talked to Charlie, he said, I'm not sure I saw that.

I think he like when he was in a battle, he would fight fight his enemies.

Uh and and fight them vigorously.

And listen, Charlie was a strong man and a passionate man who knew what he believed.

But it was very interesting.

Erica spoke after the President in the Rose Garden, and she gave beautiful remarks.

But one of the things she said that I think was directly responding to the President.

She said, look, I can tell you from having been married to him, Charlie prayed for his enemies.

And she said, I saw that.

She said, I don't know that anyone else saw that, but she said, I saw him, and he prayed for his enemies.

And and President Trump was standing behind her right shoulder, and she said it it was it was lighthearted, but she was kind of she was in many ways responding to the President.

And he he like laughed, He was good natured, but he was genuinely laughing, and it was a look.

I think it was a good back and forth that that that we should be vigorous in what we believe.

We should not not give in uh to to to those who who argue for positions that are harmful to America.

We should be full throated in our argument.

But but I also think that the message that Erica was carrying forward about it's possible to disagree, and and look, you go watch the exchanges Charlie had on college campus after college campus, when when you would have someone come in and argue for open borders, when you would have someone come in and argue for socialism, when you have someone come in and argue for transgenderism, when you'd have someone come in and argue for for hamas terrorists.

Charlie was vigorous and full throated in disputing them, but he was not mean spirited about it.

He was not I hate you, he was not you're the enemy, but he would engage in a way that said, look, I understand why you're saying that.

Here's why I believe you're mistaken.

And I think Erica was right that he was able to do so from a position of love.

Love does not mean agreement.

Love does not mean saying, I accept the position you're advocating, even though I believe it is harmful to our country.

But love means not treating your political adversary as the enemy to be destroyed, but instead trying to respond with reason, with compassion, trying to move and even if you don't move, your immediate interlocutor, those who are observing it.

Charlie was very good at responding in a way that persuaded a lot of other people, And I thought that back and forth Tuesday between the president, and Erica was really powerful as before.

If you want to hear the rest of this conversation on this topic, you can go back and dow the podcasts from earlier this week to hear the entire thing.

I want to get back to the big story number three of the week you may have missed.

So all right, So our guest with us is Eric Trump, Senator.

You and I were just talking with him about this really his family being under siege.

You talked about these big boy subpoenas part of that is to financially hurt you.

What did you, guys spend just doing the fighting of all the lawsuits against you during that four year period.

How much did it cost you?

Roughly four hundred million guys.

I laugh when people I, oh, Trump is profiting off of government.

I go, wha wait, excuse me.

If you want to come in, I'll break down the finances you want to Trump's profit.

We spent four one hundred million dollars to defend ourselves against nonsense, the fact that we did not have secret servers communicating with the Kremlin, the fact that Don wasn't a Russian agent.

Remember you had Adam Schiff.

Out there every single day Donald Trump Junior is a Russian agent.

Guys.

If he wasn't, if he wasn't protected by the speech and debate laws, you would have, honestly, the guy would have been worth a zero.

He would have been living in a shoe box based on the fact that you would have sued him for slander and taken everything that he ever had.

It was all made up lies.

They did everything they possibly could to take us down.

We spent over four hundred million dollars between that.

You know, Letitia, you know Alvin braggsy Vance, you know Fanny.

I mean, I could go on and on the raids the Mara alive.

What was the worst to deal with?

Between Alvin braggs, Sye Vance, Leticia, James Jack Smith, who was the worst?

Probably Letitia?

Have you want to know the truth?

I mean, it was so corrupt and I don't know Alvin Braggby's you had Brshawn, I mean Judge Barshawn's daughter is like that, the digital fundraiser for the Democratic Party.

And the guy wouldn't recuse himself and literally you'd be sitting in these courtrooms guys, and I would not leave my father's side.

I sat next to him every single day.

If he was there, I was gonna be there as a son to support him, you know.

And most of the time, some of these cases I wasn't gagged in so normally I was the guy in the courthouse steps, you know, shouting and yelling at the cameras as to what the hell was actually going on, because that's the only way you could communicate a message.

But guys, I mean, you had liberal and I mean liberal reporters who was in that courtroom shaking their head saying none of this makes any sense.

I mean, they shut down all of Manhattan, Lower Manhattan for a hundred thousand dollars payment that my father didn't even make, made by a lawyer.

They indicted him thirty four times.

I mean, you know, al Capone had had one fell in the indictment.

They indicted my father thirty four times for one hundred thousand dollars payment, by the way, by a district attorney who ran on the premise, you know, of reducing what you know, just decriminalizing just about anything.

You know, you could shoot away the face in Times Square and it was decriminalized, and you're gonna let them out, and you know, you're gonna have community policing and all sorts of nonsense.

I mean, he ran on the premise of literally emptying Rikers Island, so you had no criminals in there.

Yet you know, thirty four felonies in six month period of time is shutting down New York in the FDR drive every day over one hundred thousand dollars.

I mean, it wasn't believable.

If only your father were mugging people in Times Square, then Alvin Bragg would never have prosecuted him.

But instead he committed the unspeakable sin of not only being president of the United States, but being an extraordinarily successful and bold president of the United States, which is an unpardonable sin.

All right, we don't have much much time left, but I want to take it a little bit lighter and ask what was it like?

Like?

Your father is unique.

I've never in my life have I met anyone remotely like your father.

He and I have spent a lot of time together.

He has extraordinary courage.

But before he was president, what was it like growing up as a kid with Donald Trump as your father?

Like?

Like, like, how what was he like as a dad when you were ten?

Honestly, the greatest dad you could ever imagine expected big things from us, right, I mean every day I go give him kiss before I went to school.

Honey, no drink drinking, no drugs, no smoking, and you better get good grades.

And by the way, never trust anybody.

Right he did once in a while I had that he never never trust anyone.

Hey, that's probably going to be I said, I probably benefited us pretty well, So amazing guy.

You know, listen, we're spoiled as hell.

And that we lived in you know, Trump Tower, We had a beautiful roof over our head.

We were always well fed.

We we had the best education, but we were never handed money.

We're never handy cash.

If we wanted something.

If I wanted a fishing road, congratulations, you're working for it.

I got on our construction sites when I was eleven years old, doing demo, doing electrical HVAC you know, running back hose excavators.

You know, I grew up working with my hands on our construction sites with many of the guys that work for me today.

And and you know what, he wanted us to learn a trait.

He wanted us to learn the value of a dollar.

And by the way, he wanted us to be tired as hell at the end of the day, you know, because listen, don't give type A kids or any kid, but don't give type A kids money or free time, because bad things happen.

And he was an amazing father.

He is an amazing father.

And everything we've ever done, we fought together, whether it's real estate, whether it was The Apprentice.

I was on that for seven seasons.

And then in politics.

I mean when he decided to run, he said to us, he goes, you know, kids, let's do this.

You know, I was on Megan Kelly.

I didn't know what the hell immigration was.

I mean, Senator, this was not my world.

I built, you know, hotels, and all of a sudden, I'm in.

The middle of box I a wall, and now you're on TV.

I've got ninety illegal immigrants around me, and I'm battling all of them, and I don't know the first damn thing about illegal immigration, right.

I mean, like, this is not the world that we came from.

But my father's a remarkable guy.

My mother was an amazing powerhouse and strict, demanded manners, demanded respect, demanded work ethic and either the greatest parents you can ever imagine.

I spent a lot of time in underseage talking about you know, being raised by them, and you know it was unique in so many ways.

But they they did everything they could in this strange world that we lived in, uh, to ground us and make sure we turned out to be hard workers, normal uh, you know, and didn't have any of these kind of Hunter Biden esque problems.

I don't have a laptop from hell, you know, I don't do finger paintings selling it to you know, foreign nationals.

All over the world.

You know, never married my you know, my brother's ex wife, like, never did that kind of stuff.

No drugs, no, you know, no perversion.

I was always a good kid who believed in God and believed in hard work and you know, lived in honestly.

Eric, I can't tell you how many times, dozens, if not hundreds of times, people have commented that one of the things they admire most about your dad is is you and your brothers and sisters.

And listen, it is hard for for any successful person to to raise good kids.

It's challenging.

There's a lot of pressure and and you know, I, I know know your entire family, and I will say literally people early on throughout the process.

They'll comment, well, you know, somehow his kids are like like not messed up and incredibly successful and put together and and I mean it's all right.

Let me ask you.

Let's let let's say we have some young parents that are listening to this podcast.

Are there any lessons a young parent by the way, uh, you know Ben, Ben has young kids, I have teenage Are there any lessons any lessons from your dad that that young parents should know or lessons that you've tried to apply.

Yeah, keep them poor and make them start working early.

Honestly, I mean that's what it is.

Keep them poor.

Don't don't give type A kids money and don't give them endless time.

That's just a bad recipe, right, And and you know, I can't tell you, guys how many friends I had, you know, who were who were peers who went to school with me, and you know, three quarters of them ended up in rehab and and a lot of them went down bad roads.

And guess what they were getting ferraris you know when they're you know, sixteen years old, Like, what what do you ever want to aspire to to get?

If if that's if that's how you're being raised?

I mean, does it surprise you that those people don't have work ethic?

Does it surprise you that they go down bad roads?

And my father would never let that happen to us.

And you know, he made us work our butts off.

And believe me, if I wasn't good at what I did real estate wise, I would not be in this chair.

I mean, forget about bapotism for a second.

It.

You know, if we weren't incredibly capable, Believe me, I wouldn't be running one of the largest real estate empires anywhere in the world.

And he made us work, and he made us prove that we were good at what we do, and we fought every single day, and we're an incredibly tight family.

And he's a remarkable person who's my best friend.

I love him to death, and I'm so proud of him, especially in a week where he's accomplished as much as he had.

I am so damn proud of of what he did and what he's accomplished.

And the hell of a journey, guys, it's all worth it.

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