Episode Transcript
Governor.
Speaker 2How are you.
Speaker 3It's good to see you, glad to see the ties on.
I didn't know who you guys were.
Thank you, guys just literally just got in Yes, thank you amazing, And I'm grateful for everything you're doing.
And I'm grateful of this opportunity to have a chance to dialogue about it and talk about you know, what exactly is going on at this moment, where do you see things going?
But in order to paint the picture of this moment, I want to just formally welcome you to Ronald Reagan's old mansion, the place that Nancy Reagan infamously said was a fire trap before they moved out.
It's been since remodeled, so you should feel more confident and comfortable here.
But it's nice to be here.
And I say that mindful of our history in the state of California, and mindful in many ways how far we've gone, uh and how far we have traveled away from some of the core principles that defined the best of the Republican Party.
And so without getting nostalgia for that, I just want to acknowledge the journey that you guys are on and express gratitude that you're not just here in California, but you've been all across your colleagues, all across this country.
But first, if I could, I just want to briefly contextualized, because yesterday I experienced, in a modest way, a little bit about all that you've experienced in Texas.
Coming from July fourth, a very close friend of my wife's family passed away, Mark and his wife Sarah, and his son Johnny Mark Walker, the Walker family passed in the floods in Texas.
My wife had the privilege of speaking a little bit at the memorial yesterday, and it was beyond intense.
Johnny's fourteen years old, the age of my son.
They live in the neighborhood, and it really brought me back to what this is all about, this special session, what the special session should be about.
Yes, I think what it was one hundred and thirty seven people lost their life, thirty five children kids, And that's what a special session as a governor should be all about, exactly.
And I haven't heard a lot talked about those families torn as under, those lives lost, people that are still healing.
What in a dry eye in the church for.
Speaker 4Rest are for redistricting, not for flood relief legislation for redistricting legislation.
Speaker 3Says everything you need to know at this moment.
So if I may, I'd love as we go around, and I want to make this as easy and casual as it possibly can be.
Just jump in if you could introduce yourself so people that are listening know who you are.
But what you just said just strikes the core of what this is all about.
So you you have been threatened to be hunted down by the Attorney General of Texas, Paxston.
You are being fined five hundred dollars a day in a job where you don't make a lot of money dollars a year, seven two hundred dollars a year a year, and you mean five five hundred dollars a day.
You've got a guy named Cornyn who's running for reelection Senator.
I say that because it's pretty obvious that it needs to be said.
Running for reelection needed to get in on this now, threatening to send the FBI to find you even though you're hiding in playing sight.
Speaker 5What's interesting that better is I kind of feel like we're in the perfect storm because you've got corn and running against Paxton, and they're trying to outdo the other who's gonna apprehend us for right.
Then you have the governor who's also working on it, and I think maybe a little embarrassed he and the speaker both because we still haven't gotten gotten.
Speaker 3So your attorney general is running for the United States Senate against incumbent Senator Cornyn, and they're trying to one up each other exactly and attacking you rhetorically and substances.
Speaker 4And in the courts, breaking news, they just filed to remove me and twelve other of my colleagues in the Texas House.
Speaker 3And the voice we're listening to.
Speaker 6Is Gina Josse Gina.
Speaker 3So that you have been picked with twelve of your colleagues, not all of your colleagues, but twelve.
What's set about?
Speaker 6I have no idea.
Speaker 4We're all wondering the same thing, but yes, myself, and it was just filed by our attorney general in the Texas Supreme Court.
It's called a quot what is it quote warrnte proceeding to remove us from office.
Speaker 3So you've got a governor himself claiming some forty on that basis as well for simply quote unquote breaking a quorum.
Speaker 4Which has been done for one hundred and fifty years by Texas legislators.
Speaker 3To be clear, because American is Dare I say, apple pie breaking quorum to protect the minority against the whims of the majority.
Speaker 7Yes, because if you don't have some rule in place for the minority, then the majority just completely runs you over.
And this is an extraordinary step.
It is not something that we take lightly.
It is an exceptional and extraordinary act to write quorum.
And so my name's Anne Johnson and I'm from Houston.
I'm proud to sit with these other Democratic colleagues, and for some of us, this is now the second time we have had to do this in the last few years, and it really is an act.
It is the last tool that the founding fathers gave to us in the minority to have available when you know that the majority has gone off the rails.
And so we have been threatened with financial ruin, with arrest, but we are undeterred.
And I think it highlights how important it is that if they will come at us this hard and we actually are in positions of power, look at how easily they run over those that are most vulnerable and don't have a voice.
And so I think that's why we are really resolute or resolved that this is the right thing to do.
Speaker 3And you said, this is not the first time.
It was twenty twenty one, and that was for different reasons.
Remind me what those reasons were.
In twenty twenty one, it was.
Speaker 6An anti voter bill.
Speaker 4Go ahead, Well, it was a bill that made it much harder to vote.
Two provisions in that bill that work.
The most egregious was one that banned Sunday morning voting, which was a target on African American churches that have a long standing tradition of going after service as a faith community to vote together.
Speaker 6The others.
Speaker 3We know, well, that's right.
Speaker 4The other provision would have given elected judges the ability to overturn election results, to overturn the will of the voters.
And when those provisions were added in the middle, literally in the middle of the night, with no record of how they got into the bill, we left right.
Speaker 3But you didn't have the level, or did you, of threats.
You didn't have the five hundred dollars fine that was being a US.
You didn't have senators calling for the FBI and calling the head of the FBI to sort of track you down right, Well.
Speaker 2It seems to me and my name's right Lopus from San Antonio and up you know, in the House for a few years afew sessions, and it seems a difference between where we were a few years ago when we broke horm and where we were today is that while we have a lot of evil doers, and we've talked about who those people are, where it's the governor, the Attorney general, all the political gainsmanship that's being played, we also recognize that they are dancing to another evil doer and we did not have that kind of engagement before.
And that's a president of the United States is encouraging them, giving them the path forward, giving them the tools like the FBI and others.
We didn't battle that last time.
We are battling it now.
But it is layers of evildoers that are out there, and I mean, at some point we all need to understand, you know, who it is that we're up against.
And it isn't just that one front that's attacking us.
It's all those individuals that are behind them providing them that level of support.
And it happens, it grows every day.
Speaker 3It grows every day what I mean.
So that's important to remind everybody just you know, people that are not tracking this hour by hour day to day, they're not watching cable news, which is one because that's that's the vast majority of people.
The President of the United States.
The origin story on this is the President called your governor, Greg Abbott, and the President asked him.
Speaker 1To do what So I'm read of Boers read to Andrews.
Bowers from Dallas and thank you for having today.
But it's really about what's at stake, and I think that's what Ray was leading us into.
So many people out there don't understand that this Texas special Session is not an isolated incident, and it truly has implications that will carry across the United States.
You know, if this goes through with Texas, it can happen in so many other states.
And you look at North Carolina, they already had something like this happened.
So we're so glad to be here having this opportunity to chat with you today.
Speaker 3I appreciate it.
And it happened because Donald Trump made a call and said find me five seats.
Yep.
Speaker 2He's made those kinds of calls before, as we well know.
Called into Georgia, I need eleven thy twelve thousand, whatever.
It was right good because he thinks he is above the law.
He thinks he's the one that can interpret all action, and that everybody has a loyalty to him, and they do, but it's a loyalty to the devil to do his bidding so that they can get in a position of power.
Speaker 3And the difference in four difference in Georgia, of course was right that he was told.
Now he was told no.
But in your state, your governor said yes, Ben Denis.
Speaker 8And the only way you can get five additional seats in Texas is if you aggressively discriminate against the Hispanic and Black populations.
You know, something's happening in Texas.
That's that's unique.
For the first time, the Latino population is actually going to exceed that of California on a percentage, based on a percentage, so we have over forty percent now Latinos in Texas.
It is one of the most diverse states in the nation.
But under this proposal, we have eleven million of white residents, eleven million Latino residents.
Twenty six out of the thirty eight seats will be under white controlled districts.
Well, Latinos are only being relegated to eight.
That means that the Latin the value of a Latino resident in Texas is one third the value of a white resident.
Speaker 3So that I mean there's a and am I right to have learned or read accurately that four out of the five seats they're talking about taking a majority of Hispanic districts, well three.
Speaker 1Three for sure, three out of the four were African American three to the four right of America.
Speaker 3But minority districts districts, so voting rice acts issues here, I mean just self evident.
Speaker 2They were previously held by heroes in Texas, heroes that have gone out and fought that tight for generations, and they're changing the demographics to be able to put someone else in there.
That's just like.
Speaker 7Marbara Jordan Congressional District eighteen.
You know, she was the first African American woman of color from the South elected to the Congress.
She was part of the impeachment tronals against President legend.
That district is a historic African American community, of which now that seat sits open because Governor Abbott after the death of Congressman Turner refused to allow a special election in that seat.
And so when you look at the big, ugly bill that has passed by one vote, you know how important the voices of that community are.
And so yes, it is shameful that being at sixty years of the Civil Rights Act signed by President Johnson from Texas, that we now face discrimination by Governor Abbott bending the need to Trump and wanting to steal five seats before the next election cycle.
And so that's what we know is on the line.
Not just for Texas, this sweeps across the nation.
Speaker 3And that's the point now, number of you have made.
This is not again just about Texas, and we're already reading about we saw yesterday j d Vance himself, the Vice President the United States, made his way to Indiana to try to convince the folks there to do the same.
We've already heard the Speaker of the House and the governor of Florida talk about their efforts or their desire to do their efforts.
We know Ohio is already moving in this direction, Missouri other states that likely will follow suits.
So to your point, this is about rigging the election before vote is cast before twenty twenty six and that's so.
Is that fundamentally, why you guys, not only are breaking quorum, not only for yourself and standing tall and firm on behalf of the people that you represent and your own values and your own conscience.
I imagine we'll get to that in a moment.
But also to raise the whole arm bells, sue, this is not about your state, It's about our country exactly.
Speaker 5I didn't see how we couldn't not break quorum because it wasn't just about us, it was about saving democracy for the entire United States.
Speaker 3What's this trickle effect?
Speaker 5If everyone can do that, why did we have laws?
Speaker 3Yeah?
Speaker 5To me, it was so serious because of the future of the United States.
Speaker 3And what district do you represent in Texas?
Speaker 5I'm in Houston, I represent how Sistrict one forty four.
Speaker 3And are your constituents are they behind you?
Are people plotting you?
Or are they cautious and concerned and concerned for you, concern for their country.
Don't know if this is appropriate.
What's been the reaction.
Speaker 5Well, I'm probably the only one here who has a swing district, right, I'm like fifty to fifty district, So it's on I guess on social media I get certain comments, but I have enough friends that they will correct them and try to enlighten them on what's.
Speaker 3Really going on.
Speaker 5Some of them are obviously bots, and you just kind of don't pay attention to those.
But I've had a lot of support, which I think is great, even from the other side, which I think is wonderful.
Speaker 3Are you finding that as well?
Most of you are.
Speaker 1I mean, I think it's relevant to mention that I had a swing district the last time we broke Korm in twenty twenty one.
Things changed for me after the maps were drawn that they thought were okay, and so I came back with the more democratic district and now my constituency is spot on, like, yes, please do this.
We appreciate what you're doing.
And I wasn't getting that last time.
Last time it was like you better get get back.
Speaker 3Yes.
And how long, by the way, let's go back to twenty twenty one.
How long did that last?
How long it was corn broken?
Speaker 6At least six week?
Thirty five days?
Speaker 7Yeah, sixty five days.
I mean a quor and break as a member one, this is the ultimate act of public service.
We all wanted these jobs.
We all put ourselves in the position that if we ever had to do it, we would, and we recognize this is bigger than any seat, any job, any individual, and we have left everything behind.
We have left our families, we have left our businesses, we have left our homes.
It means our neighbors are checking on our houses, our families are picking up all the things that are left behind.
People are asking how can they pitch in?
But we all recognized the unfortunate circumstance of being in a state right now that is run by an almost super majority of Republicans, where when they rammed through this attempt to steal five seats, and ninety nine percent of the thousands of people that came to testify against this bill said, don't do it.
We don't want this.
This is not for Texas.
This is purely for Trump.
Within a couple of days, they put it down, got a vote, threw it on the calendar, and try to get it on the floor.
We all recognize the only way we could uphold the voice of our voters was to physically have our body leave the state.
And that is a sad comment on where we are right now and at a time where you talk about every state in the domino effect of just trying to make it purely red or purely blue at a time when voters desperately want us to find common ground, find a way to talk with each other, find a way to cross the aisle, when our colleagues just refuse to participate in that, and again bent the need of Trump, we have had to take this extraordinary act.
And so, yeah, a couple extra days.
It does mean a lot, because you have more than fifty members held up together in unison, together desperately trying to do the right thing against the vitriol of attacks that are so much worse than.
Speaker 6Four years ago.
We didn't we weren't.
Speaker 7We weren't experiencing the threats that we are now getting.
That is being I mean, I'm your former chief human trafficking product prosecutor in Houston.
I've had criminals threatened my life before.
I never thought it would be coming from the governor, the attorney general or others in elected off.
Speaker 3Like hunting people deaths.
Right, that's very mean.
What you were didn't you run an off ed show me a little bit of I mean, did potential residents?
I mean, just you weren't.
I mean, you didn't come to this lightly.
Speaker 7Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 3You struggled with this decision.
Speaker 7We all did, I mean all did.
We all have been hearing the rumors that this might happen.
I think we all had a hope and an expectation because we know nobody really wants to do this.
I think we all had a hope and an expectation that maybe our colleagues would come to their senses and not attempt this because it is going to be a domino effect and it is going to hurt democracy nation.
Why this is not just about Texas, but when they filed the bill and then when they effectively put up sham hearings, we didn't even have a bill at the time that they went to Houston or Dallas and asked the voters to comment.
They didn't have the lines, They held the lines in secrecy, they didn't have a map, and they dropped it at the last minute.
At that point, you not only realized that this was rigging the election, this was a sham of a process of transparency.
So at the time that government is supposed to work, at a time where at least one hundred and thirty seven people died in Central Texas.
Speaker 3My arms are on that again, where the hell are your priorities?
Speaker 7And we've been there for two weeks.
We've been there for two weeks.
There are eighteen items on the call.
Not one bill had been put forth except for redistricting, only one.
And that does show the that's the first thing we did the first two weeks.
Speaker 3That we were there.
Just anyone listened.
I don't care Democrat or Republican is a human being, just consider, pause and reflect on that for a moment.
There's your values and your priorities, that things you lay claimed to, particularly as we bring people.
You know, I think about Sunday Service, Yes, I think about the Good Book.
Yes, try to square that with their priorities as it relates to this.
But are there colleagues of yours that are quietly saying, you know, just got to do this one for the team?
You know, Trump called I've got to wear my red cape.
Speaker 8You know.
I don't see a single Republican defending the actual details of the bill.
And I think part of the issue is this bill was so rushed.
I don't think anybody has really fully looked at the level of discrimination that exists in this map.
If this passes Texas, Hispanics will be the most underrepresented group in America, exceeding the levels of discrimination that still exists in many parts of the Deep South with black residents in the state.
The level of underrepresentation is something that will take Texas Hispanics back to the nineteen sixties.
But because Donald Trump wants it, he wants this temporary gain of power, He's going to sacrifice Hispanics blacks to get it.
Yes, and I think that Republicans know that this is illegal, But the problem is they want to deliver those five votes at all costs to Donald Trump.
But it's going to deliver a temporary gain in power because they're leading it up to the courts to clean up this mess.
So it's going to have an impact on California, it's going to have an impact in New York that they're proposing an overtly racist map to try to get two years of political power for Donald Trump.
We've seen this in North Carolina, and we've seen this in Louisiana.
Speaker 3And North Carolina, perfect example.
Speaker 1And that's a I'm sorry that that's a word.
Thank you Vince for saying that.
That's a word that we're not even allowed to say on the House floor.
Racist racism.
I mean, we're not allowed to say racist.
Are call it what it is.
We're not allowed to call it what it is.
And so we are encouraged to not call it a power grab, to definitely say that this is racial jerrymandering, and it really is.
You know, Vince talked about the reduction of power for Latinos, but for black people, it means that it will take four black votes to equal one white vote.
So uh, you know, and I have to talk about some of what it means to me.
And you talked about the eighteenth Congressional district that I grew up in.
You know, one of those members, Barbara Jordan was my sorority sister, but Mickey Leland I held his hand as he announced his bid in my home for Congress when he left the state House.
And the fact that the eighteenth has no representation right now though I represent in Dallas, it still matters to me.
You know, that's my family that is not represented right now.
Speaker 5And just let me add and it's been vacant.
Sylvester Diydam March fifth, and so that's how long it's been.
And he set there the election for November November, just so that they could have the votes the way they have it in Congress.
Speaker 3You mentioned earlier just threats, and you know, we talked about language, we talked about some of the threats we know about, but also you got a notable bomb threat in Illinois just a day or so ago.
I mean, back to your families and someone checking and you said, just checking in on your home.
You know, I still go back to the financial pressure.
But this is, you know, a part time job and you're gonna up paying fines that are greater than your entire gross salary.
Uh.
They even made it more difficult to even get paid.
But no longer direct deposits.
Speaker 1Of course, maybe checkers.
Speaker 3Yeah, well petty doesn't even describe some of this.
But back to just your personal your family, your safety.
I mean, I don't want to be modeling about it, but I mean that's got to be a real concern.
No.
Speaker 8Well, on the flight over here, I got a text message from the daughter of my ninety year old neighbor and there were six police units that showed up to the neighborhood today.
They got down, they tried to get into the backyard, and they looked around.
It stretched the length of the entire street.
It was clearly an excessive show of force, an expensive use of tax dollars that is just clearly designed to intimidate and just cause anxiety.
And that's all it did, is just cause anxiety with my neighbors in my neighborhood.
But that was just this morning on the way over here, and other members had similar experiences.
You know where there's this level of intimidation.
Speaker 4Well, it's a lawlessness that comes from the top, Right, it's not surprising that vigilantes will engage in lawlessness when our president turns on its head the idea of elections by saying we're going to have we're going to predetermine the election by manipulating these maps so as to segregate racial minorities so that we get five more members of Congress.
We have our senator acting outside the bounds of the law to ask the FBI to surveil political opponents in the United States of America.
Our governor backing that plan.
Speaker 6So I have a son at.
Speaker 4Home who is in middle school, and yes, it's hard to leave my family behind.
But we went to Philadelphia this summer for a vacation, family vacation, and it hit different this time around to be at Independence Hall to remember this is who, this is why we exist.
Representation is why we exist.
And so yes, the pool away from family, being apart from them is hard, but I do it because of my son.
Speaker 3Yeah, I love that.
And we're about to celebrate the two hundred and fifteth anniversary of the principles of the founding fathers of the best of your Greek democracy, the Roman Republic, co equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, rule of law.
It's not exaggerated, all of it at risk.
And this is I mean, I really applaud you because you've given us.
I mean it's you know, it's like we talk about in psychology where you know, so often those old enough to remember record players, but we're you know, there's sort of a predictabilit until you scratch the record.
There has to be a pattern interrupt and I think for me, this quorum has done that, and it's forced a national conversation, as uncomfortable as it is.
But behind that is your son.
Behind that are your families.
Behind it's your reputation.
I mean, you know you're putting put it all out on the line, financial and otherwise, and you know, politics is this is tough, and and to your point, my question to you in a swing district that could go either way, this then necessarily aid in a bet and advancing your prospects necessarily.
So just you know, just once again, why are you what's the why, what's the burning why?
Speaker 5I think it's a big picture democracy.
Yeah, that's really why we're doing it right to save the rest of the country.
I believe my colleague here said it best.
Speaker 6The other day.
Speaker 5She said, we get to keep our seats, but the entire country will lose their voice.
And I just that really hit home with me when and said that.
And that's that's the truth.
Speaker 3Right, speaking of losing Just they walked in, I guess Ken Paxson's just declared thirteen seats vacant seconds ago, the United State of Ken Paxson dictator in chief.
Just with this kind of declaries, I mean, guess we're at the point when nothing surprises you.
Yeah, no, I love it.
I say that, and you're all just not you know, and.
Speaker 7It is frightening because you bring up Ken Paxton.
I was also on the impeachment team where he was put before the Senate.
The Senate had an opportunity to try to do the right thing.
It was their Republican colleagues that were saying, hey, this guy was recently he's corrupt.
Yeah it was two years ago.
But you know, it's a challenge because we have two split courts, the Texas Supreme Court, the Quarter Criminal Appeals.
When the quart Crininal Appeals all Republicans.
When three of them took a stand and gave a ruling opposed to Paxston on constitutional grounds, he went after them politically and unfortunately he won.
And that's what we talk about right now.
The guard rails are missing.
The guardrails within the Republican Party are missing when you have them taking these steps, these extraordinary steps.
This didn't happen four years ago.
This is at a rapid fire that they think they can go to the courts, they can manipulate the courts, that the courts will not be there to be a backstop.
It is part of the reason that we are trying to get catch fire with the people.
With the people, they are the last line of defense.
The folks within the Republican Party will not say no to this.
It is up to the voters, and that's why they are so desperately trying to cheat and change the lines because it is up to the voters.
And that's why we are desperately trying to have everybody stand up as California is doing and saying you cannot let these dominoes start to fall because we will completely lose.
Speaker 4Our way because Republicans aren't free the elected Republicans.
I had a Republican Member of Congress from Texas say I don't want this, None of my colleagues want this, but none of us will say no to Trump, so it will happen.
Speaker 6And time and time.
Speaker 4Again we hear this refrain from our Republican colleagues.
They don't agree with what's happening, but they won't stand up against it.
We had Donald Trump way in the day of the vote this regular session on val we had a big fight that lasted years on taking money out of our neighborhood public schools and putting it into private schools for kids who already attend.
Texas is through and through.
Speaker 5It is.
Speaker 6Public schools are through and through part.
Speaker 4Of our identity as Texans, right and many Republicans were against Melchers.
But Donald Trump called on the day of the vote and talked to all the Republicans and they supported it even though their constituents were against it.
They will not say no.
Speaker 5And in return, they were all endorsed by Trump of course.
Yeah, they all have their little letters and they post them proudly.
Speaker 2Yeah.
And you know the other I think if you start to kind of think about the far reaching implications of what these Shenanigans are going to create, you know, the world is looking at us.
They're looking at the American democracy that we've been trying to nurture for the last two hundred and fifty years and saying, gee, we wish we could get to where you are.
What they're going to see is that it's under it's being eroded.
They're going to see that the value of the American system is not what it used to be.
And it puts us in a completely different position, knowing that world politics are very, you know, right now, very fragile, and they need someone with the strength that we've had in the past to be able to firmly say what we need to do and how we're going to lean democracy forward.
That hand is gone, is going, it's fading, and now what are we going to do.
There are a lot of countries that look to the United states, to the democracy, to the way of life that we've established over two hundred and fifty years, and saying what the world, what are we going to do now?
That's important and that is what's going to go in the history books if they allow those history books to be printed, of course, but that's what's going to go down in those history books.
That's what people are going to remember.
That's what my fourteen grandchildren are going to remember when they say, Grandpa, what did you do during that time?
I can tell them exactly what I did.
But we've got to be able to tell that story to generations coming up so that we don't repeat the mistakes that we're creating right now.
So you're sitting there, there's a big, big stake in this.
Speaker 3I love everything you said.
I love the spirit which brought you to say it, and it's just for what it's worth.
You're in a library with a lot of books that have been banned as they're rewriting history, censoring historical facts.
You're seeing that in real time.
So what you said was I hope people pause and reflected on what you said.
I wasn't just throwaway line.
It's quite literal and real.
At this moment.
So thanks the question you know, held out thirty seven days twenty twenty one, how come didn't necessarily go your way?
Ultimately, there, Governor, I'm intimately familiar with this.
Forgive me as the ability to call another special session and then another special session.
I heard your governor yesterday say he'll call another no no, no, you know, until the end of time, or at least the end of his time is his tenure as governor.
So where does that leave you?
In the private conversations, I don't need to get into tactics or any of that, but you know how we're all asking how long are you willing to hold out?
When's the end date of this special election?
When when are you going to be back senior grandkids, When are you going to see the family?
When are you going to you know, reconcile the books and figure out how to pay these fines?
Speaker 4So that is the question we always get.
Everyone wants to know, how does this end?
Its human nature?
Our lesson from the twenty one coreum break was we stood up to fight to win for the day we could win for the day, and the next take day.
We took it as it came because of our bold Act of Defiance.
Last time, we shamed Republicans into taking out those two egregious provisions that I described at the beginning of this program.
They couldn't defend them, so they took them out of the bill, ultimately the most egregious parts.
And so essentially we say free and fair elections in Texas with our corn break.
The bill passed, but it wasn't the same bill.
You just can't know what tomorrow brings.
We can only fight to win today.
Speaker 3Yes, like that, so day by day surely I have to go back to the financial stress though.
I mean, you've not now have threats that anyone who aids in a bets quote unquote you seeking some support related to these fines will somehow be charged for bribery.
They've quite literally threatened that on multiple occasions.
You're elected leaders in your state, people that are I mean, I imagine I'll be on that list shortly if we're not already being surveilled by the I'm with this visit.
I mean, how do you talk to your kids about that, Say don't worry, honey, we're good.
Your husband or wife you know, home saying you know you're already I mean, this is again, you're you're not getting rich.
We're working in this.
Speaker 1I definitely thank you for bringing that up.
I want to speak to that because I am one of the only or maybe very few, that are full time legislators in a part time legislature.
I don't have another job.
So I don't think any of us are in it for the money, though I want you to.
Speaker 3I don't think we are stimulated.
Speaker 1I don't think we are, and I honestly think you know, my husband is given up on you know that she's not about public service, and so it really is about us serving the people and the constituents that we have, listening to them, representing them in a way that they know that we're their voice.
You know, when they go to that ballot box, we want them to know that their voice really does count and their vote counts, and that we're going to speak in their best interests and on their behalf.
And I think nobody can buy that.
You just really can't buy that.
And I think in a district that in twenty eighteen, with the help of my community, I was able to flip, I think they know that that's who the person they have sitting there, and I can't be bought and I'm going to always stick.
Speaker 6Up for them.
Speaker 7So and it does show how desperate they are.
I mean, they have threatened our leadership positions, they threaten our job, they're now trying to vacate.
They're threatened direct deposit.
I mean they literally are throwing anything and everything at the wall, these allegations of bribery.
They're throwing all this stuff that they can at the wall, and I think it shows how desperate they are that they have to perform for Donald Trump and they're going to look embarrassed if they don't get it done this time.
I will say it's a little rich for these guys to make an allegation of bribery given the fact that Dan Patrick took three million dollars on the eve of the trial before he presided in paston from one of Paxson's biggest donor.
It's a little rich for the governor when he took twelve million dollars from an individual out of Pennsylvania who had an interest in getting the voucher's passed.
And so we know that what they are is just throwing up desperate allegations because they're doing anything and everything that they can to try to force us back.
But again, it just strengthens our resolve because it shows us how desperate they are to not serve the interest of the people, but to serve the interest to Donald Trump, and that's not who we serve.
Speaker 6And it has not slowed down contributions.
Speaker 3Yeah, I can imagine maybe the opposite.
I imagine it's only accelerated though.
Speaker 7And it is we like anybody else.
It's also ironic that Governor Abbitt sent out an email talking about us and how to donate link at the bottom.
Speaker 3Of course.
Speaker 7So we are elected officials who campaign and people can send us contributions and that is what keeps us having the ability to lift our voice and be able to campaign and be able to put out an opposing position to these guys that are out there.
Speaker 8And look the damage that's going to be done to generations of Texas kids who are going to grow up in a society where if you're Hispanic or Black, the government's not going to feel they're accountable to you.
The way these lines are drawn, the government's only going to be accountable to one particular group.
I mean, what kind of society they're going to grow up in.
It is going to take US generations if we go back to the nineteen sixties and have our own version of the civil rights struggle all over again here in twenty twenty five.
So the damage that's going to be done to future generations of Texans honestly pales in comparison to whatever it is they're going to do to any of us.
And I think a lot of members feel that way, and that's why I think they're just so determined in their result.
Speaker 3I love that and I appreciate.
I mean, just the reflection in California is about thirty nine percent of its population is Hispanic, twenty seven percent of its population form born a majority minority state.
It's a point of deep pride.
Now, we don't tolerate, we celebrate that diversity at our best.
We celebrate that diversity.
Texas is right there and now looking to exceed.
It's an extraordinary state, isn't it.
And so this notion of representation, of representing everybody having a voice seen themselves as well, is so critical.
So I really appreciate you highlighting that.
What do we need to highlight though?
What's the message?
Look, you're here in California.
I'm grateful we're about to have a press conference with former Speaker Nancy Pelosi, other congressional representatives.
You're going to be here with my pro tem and speaker of our legislature.
We're moving forward very aggressively to neutralize neoter to limit the five seats.
We'll do the same here in California.
So all of this is for not Donald Trump.
All this is for not at show.
And we will fight fire with fire, and we will punch above our weight.
California is the size of twenty one state popular relations combined.
We're not here for a press conference.
We're here to take action and we're to delivery results, and we're going to do it in a transparent way, a temporary way, because we believe in independent redistricting.
We'll do it on the basis of a vote of the people as well, respecting and as you said, the people, and in democracy, the most important office, brand I said, is the office of citizens.
So this notion of transparent maps and active, non inert citizen tree is foundational.
But what more do we need to do what other states need to do?
Speaker 7You know, it's I think folks when they talk about redistricting and they say, oh, those guys are just redistricting.
I don't think they understand this is not normal.
We don't redistrict mid decade.
And even if we think about the last time we redistricted states like yours, where you have an independent commission, you allowed the people to draw the lines.
Many of us have offered legislation in Texas to have an independent commission to have the people draw the lines.
I think people forget Republicans in those states started the game decade already carving up districts to give them a heavy advantage.
And even with that cheat, when other folks are letting their people do it.
Here we are four years in.
They know they're about to lose, and so they want to redraw it again.
We appreciate greatly the courage that California is stepping showing the fact that you have stepped up and immediately said, Texas, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
But what we hope to do is lift a conversation.
And which wouldn't it be great?
Wouldn't it be great if the nation said, you know what, we should all let the people draw the lines.
We should all do an independent commission and get politicians out of drawing our lines, and so we are grateful that you are willing to, as you say, fight fire with fire, because when one group is playing by one set of rules and not allowing the others to play by an equal set of rules, it violates the fundamental fairness of who we are as people and a nation.
Speaker 3Appreciate that.
And one of the things that we intend to do with the consent of the Legislature and ultimately present to the voters in a special election the first week in November in a very short period of time, is also a commitment to support a national independent redistricting Commission.
So we want to reinforce that principle in that paradigm, and that's why we're looking at this as an emergency response to this outrageous act in this mid decade redistrict team.
But again, it's not just rhetorical, and I think, look, one of the big frustrations I have often with my party, with our party, the Democratic Party, is fire and fury is oftentimes signifying little or nothing.
Sometimes we just sit there and we're on the side.
We feel there's a weakness sometimes because we sort of we push back, but we're not delivering on the counter and That's why I think really critical that we're successful here in California.
We have to deliver an equal reaction that actually produces a real result.
What more can we do in our state, but other states as well, actually delivered not just in more support, not talk about sort of the better angels, and not just you know, have your back rhetorically, but to get back on the offensive, not just constantly being shape shifted by these folks on the receiving end twenty four to seven.
I joke all the time, it's not a joke, but everything with three letters E, S, G, D I, S CRT I R S FBI, except when they need to weaponize them, you know, the EPA.
We're constantly on the receiving n on this redistricting.
You know, at least we feel like we have a tool, and that's the people themselves.
We the people that can exercise their moral and formal authority to neutralize what's happening in Texas and to get back.
But what else do you want to see across this country in a more meaningful and substantive.
Speaker 4I think Americans and Texans for sure want to see how these things impact their daily lives.
For for me part of why, Yes, there is the big picture representation, democracy goals, but ultimately this is about higher prices at the grocery stores and how these pay to play tariffs that Donald Trump is implementing are hurting every day Americans, every day Texans.
It's about a hit to financial aid and ability for often latinal communities in Texas to attend college, but all communities, right they rely on that kind of aid and what Donald Trump is doing to that, hit to healthcare, hit to neighborhood schools, the list goes on, and those are real threats to Americans that will continue to get worse if this goes unchecked.
And so I think ideas for how ideas and examples of how this big picture conversation is impacting their everyday lives and will protect That's why we have representation to protect the people against harm in a use from the politicians to hold them accountable.
That's what Donald Trump is taking away.
And the more we can speak to people's to people's daily lives and the way what we do impacts them, I think the better.
Speaker 3Love that it's not just about drawing lines, it's sort of holding the line, having a line of accountability, oversight, back to this notion coequal branches of government and this fundamental notion of what underneath all of it it's about, which is about having the aspirations of mind and the American people having the master's of not just your district, your state, but our nation and a dressing all of these profound issues.
And as you say on the tariffs and everything else.
I mean, that's at the end of the day, it is about all of those issues.
So that's important.
What else do we need to sort of raise in terms of consciousness around Again the why this is so.
Speaker 2Well I can tell what I tell all my folks is that listen, as a look at officials, we do this day in and day out.
We're always having the we have an in depth understanding, and sometimes we overcomplicate the process.
What we need to do is to get those moms and dads that get up early in the morning, dress their kids, take them to school, drop them off, pick them up in the afternoon, take them to daycare, go to the grocery store, pay for the eggs and the milk, to have that conversation of how what this economy is doing to them.
At the town square, have that discussion among themselves and understand what the impact is to America.
Because as elected officials we say it all the time, and sometimes they don't have time to listen to what we're telling them.
It's important they get it.
They just don't have time.
They're taking care of their lives.
They're trying to cook the dinner, they're trying to get their kids off to school.
So what I tell everyone, get with your neighbors, whatever that town square is for you, whether it's your homeowner association or some event that you happen to go to, take the discussion there and raise the issues how it's affecting you directly.
I think if we do that, I think the entire Cunto will understand and understand.
We've got to do something different, and that's only I think the only way we're going to really be successful.
I love it.
Speaker 7We need folks who are sick and tired of being sick and tired to get up and vote in our selections.
Speaker 1That's what I was going to say.
I mean, to Gina's point, the loss of access to healthcare, and especially when we look at taking food out of children's bows and the staff benefits that are gone.
But we just want that message to resonate so much with people that they don't forget come November.
So to Anne's point, that really brings it home for me that they don't forget when they go to that ballot.
Speaker 5People tend to have very short memories.
And that's really sad because and I think this is why the governor gets elected on the off years, right, because people were like, there's an election.
But I think educating the voters on the big picture, whatever that big picture is to them, it's probably the best thing to do.
Speaker 8Yeah, And I would say in this moment, I think the more Americans who learn about the details of the map, I think more Americans should be outraged at what's being proposed.
I don't care if you're a Republican or Democrat, if you're white, black, Latino.
What are the implications of a government that feels like it is not going to be accountable to a large segment of its population, It's going to be held accountable to a small segment that it's going to hand pick what kind you know.
In order for democracy to work, we need our government to be accountable to all people, regardless of race, regardless of where they live.
And that's not what's happening here.
So, whether you're a Republican or Democrat, you want a government that's going to be held accountable to everybody, not there just handpicked constituents.
And I would say too, Look clearly, what happens in Texas affects California.
And we have years, thirty years of Republican rule where they have system stomatically designed and drawn these lines to ensure that black and Hispanic residents don't vote.
The overwhelming number of Latinos in Blacks in Texas are stuck in districts that are uncompetitive, and they're there where there's a ninety eighty ninety ninety five percent Latino population because that's the best way for Republicans to throw away votes.
And so how do we activate these large segments of Texas that have been acted for so long.
I think it's going to take a national effort from the Democratic Party, but I think people from all states because there are just large segments of our population who are just don't see any reason to vote.
But that's the way the government has created it.
Speaker 6Don't give up on Texas.
Speaker 4Also, Texas really without all this grift, the grift, like we could deal a whole segment on just the grift, but without all the grift in the manipulation.
Texas is a purple state.
We have not we say Texas Democrats for the ATM.
For the rest of the nation.
We need investment in Texas.
We explore our Republicans, Texas expert all the worst ideas to the national level.
You want us to flip, It's over when we flip, right, So that's what I would encourage.
People think Texas is crazy, Yes, crazy things come out of Texas, but we see in our communities that Texans are open.
Texans are open to being persuaded.
They care about what you're going to do to help them in their own lives.
And I would say, please take a chance on Texas.
Speaker 6Invest in Texas.
Speaker 3Spectacular state and spectacular representatives from the state.
And I really appreciate Mara.
And just for folks listening watching you guys flew in, You're going to fly right out.
And that means the world to all of us that are trying to raise awareness or raise the alarm bells of this moment where we get so easily distracted by sugar and Coca cola or whatever.
The new distraction and Alcatraz may be what's really happening in this country.
It is code red, It is code red, and this only highlights, this punctuates what's at stake.
The Trump presidency de facto ends in less than eighteen months.
If we get Speaker Jeffries back into office.
Donald Trump knows that they're on the run.
They know they will lose the mid terms if they do not rig them.
And that's what this is all about.
And the fact that you are willing to sacrifice so much your personal as well as professional reputation to be here and to be everywhere you've been.
Everybody listening should owe you.
And do I think, oh you a debt of gratitude regardless of party.
This is about fundamental, enduring principles that have served the world, not just our country for two hundred and forty nine years.
So I'm deeply grateful and I'm proud as well to have this opportunity to transparent way, to have this conversation, this private conversation more publicly.
We'll understand why you're out here, and the opportunity now to share that more publicly with this press conference with Speaker Amrita Nancy Pelosi and talk more about mistakes.
Thank you all very
Speaker 5Much, thank you, thank you, thank you for having us