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Zombie time.

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First, 28 Days Later, 2002, directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Killian Murphy, Naomi Harris, Christopher Eccleston, Megan Burns, Brendan Gleeson.

Cinematography, Anthony Dodd-Mantle, edited by Chris Gill, music by John Murphy.

I said all those names because all of them have such a huge impact on that first movie.

28 Weeks Later, 2007, directed by Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, screenplay by Rowan Jofn, Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, EL.

Levine, Jesus Olmo, starring Robert Carlisle, Jeremy Renner, Imogen Poots, Idris Elba.

It was definitely a time.

Cinematography by Enrique Chadiak, edited by Chris Gill, same one from the first movie, music by John Murphy, returning from the first movie.

Then, this week, we have 28 Years Later, 2025, directed by Danny Boyle from the first movie, written by Alex Garland from the first movie, starring Jodie Comer, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Jack O'Connell, Alfie Williams, Ralph Fiennes.

They're all fantastic.

Cinematography by Anthony Dodd-Mantle from the first movie, edited by John Harris, music by John.

You think music done by the Young Fathers?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you know them?

Nope.

No, it's just, that's the name, Young Fathers.

I'm sure they're good.

They're a hip hop group.

I'm sure they're probably good, but it's random.

Okay.

Random.

John Murphy was a little busy with something else coming out this summer.

That's right.

Yeah.

James Gunn snatched him away from 28 Years Later.

All right.

John, what are these movies about?

Basically, I don't know if you know, Vin, but 28 Days Later was the first movie to bring about the fast ombie.

Really?

They created the fast ombie?

I'm pretty sure they did, because I can't recall that being a thing before 28 Days Later.

Because I remember coming out of it going, okay, now they're terrifying.

Now ombies are scary.

Now they're terrifying.

Yeah.

I see that.

Wow.

This is the first one to ever do it.

It made ombies come back into the mainstream all over because it is about a virus that gets out that makes people rage out and violent and eat flesh.

Like, and it's called the rage virus.

I think it's what it's called.

The rage virus.

That's right.

Yeah.

So that's basically the concept.

And the first one, you know, it was like it started killing Murphy.

It was all filmed on a camcorder, like in an XL1 camcorder.

And I adore that film.

I think it's great.

I don't know if you know this, Vin.

I don't know if I ever told you this.

This is one of the first, like what?

Press screenings that I went into.

Like I'm not-

No way.

Not as pressed, but like where, like they were giving out passes.

So this was before the Internet.

I came away to get those, and my friend got a pass through somebody through the Eagle.

Like the radio station, the Eagle.

Okay.

I was with a friend in high school.

I was like, hey, do you want to go see this?

Guess where it was at?

Where?

Web Shopping.

There you go.

Web Shopping.

So I went there, watched it.

Now, my friend that I went with, not exactly a high brown, like artsy kind of guy, doesn't really care.

I don't know if he sent a file or anything like that.

Even he came out of 28 Days Later going, bro, that was good.

Even he was like, man, that was good.

So that is my history.

That's amazing.

Getting a ticket from the radio?

From the radio.

2002.

That's the real experience.

Wow.

Yeah.

2002.

Whenever these things like these passes, go to see a movie before it came out, we're like unicorns.

They were very hard to find.

Wow.

In the radio station was there.

Yeah.

That's incredible.

What about 28 Weeks Later?

28 Weeks Later was a different beast than Charlie.

I didn't go see it in theaters.

I did watch it whenever it came out.

I heard all the buzz about it because I heard that it was better than people thought it would be.

Danny Boyle exiting, there was this expectation that there would be a big drop-off.

I don't think it was a big drop-off at all.

It slightly drops.

There is a drop-off.

We'll talk about it.

It's not big, but I will tell you this.

As much as I don't remember about that film, it's got one of the most brutal death scenes I've ever seen in my life.

Which one in the film?

There's only one in that movie that just completely true, at least that rocked me.

When the wife is handcuffed to the bed with the husband slowly turning as he's locked in there with her, and he slowly just starts brutally killing her.

That was horrible.

Also the fact that you know that she has the cure, that she has some kind of immunity.

And I'm coming out of this after the last of us, and I'm like, oh, she has the cure.

So they're going to use her blood to save everyone.

And then he just slaughters her from a kiss.

It is heartbreaking.

Incredible scene.

It is heartbreaking.

It's brutal.

It's filled with tragedy.

Yeah.

It's filled with tragedy.

And it's just like, it's like a death on the scale of Game of Thrones, where it's just so what...

Yeah.

Like, it's so brutal.

It's the kind of thing that they would immediately say, no, no, no, that was just a dream.

That was just a nightmare.

That didn't really happen.

Yeah.

We'll get into more detail later.

There's so much I actually like about 28 Weeks Later.

It's a step down from the first one, but stuff like that, there's a lot of really cool stuff in there.

That's what I'm saying.

Like there's things in there that just stick with you.

Yeah.

So it's not a major drop off.

Then we go to number three, which is about what takes place, I think it's 28 Years Later after the first, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

I think that's implied, but we're with new characters, focuses on a child named Spike, and his father, Jamie, played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson, and his mother, Isla, who is sick.

Basically, he was trying to find a cure for her in the middle of this terrible thing going on.

Anyway, so there you go.

Okay.

My history is that I've always heard that these are great movies and I should watch them and I never did until yesterday.

Then I binged all three movies in one day.

You know, the thing is, I wonder how it's going to be an interesting conversation to see how your experience is watching all three at the same time.

Compared to mine, I've seen it almost like-

In real time.

But you saw it in real time.

Yeah, when they came out.

Yeah, like 22 years ago and then going from now.

You never revisited them?

No, I did not.

I did not revisit.

Incredible.

Wow.

This is a real contrast here.

Wow.

Yeah.

But the thing is, the first film is a cool memory for me because of all that experience.

I got you.

I remember most of the film.

Yeah.

Since high school, I've always heard how great that first movie is.

Sometimes I think I was just waiting for the right moment to watch it.

I know it's going to be good.

I just need the right time.

But John, when I watched that first movie, I was blown away.

It's amazing.

It's not even big and huge.

It's so simple and so good.

You have the monkeys, then you have the virus, then it cuts.

Then the whole Earth or all of Britain, you don't even know how far it is, but it's destroyed.

It's just this guy waking up in a hospital.

He wasn't even supposed to wake up or something.

It's just a normal guy just lost in this London and this barren, empty city, just lost.

What a visual.

The brilliant thing about it, because they shot in the camcorder and all that, they gave them a little more budget to do things like that.

On top of that, that sequence, they shot that in before everybody woke up.

They were actually trying to take advantage, people still being asleep, to actually get that done.

There's a lot of things that they actually did on the most budget-friendly thing imaginable.

I was going to tell you also, I think that first film does a similar dynamic, that, and I'm not talking about the modern non-Nosferatu, the old Nosferatu, where it's almost like Danny Boyle understands, there's something about the low quality that injects the horror.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, especially, like even, I was just helping you with the banner for your article, right?

The cover image.

And I was trying to put this kind of crappy VHS filter on it to try to get that gritty, this ugly like smear on it, because that, it just adds to it.

It adds to the grossness and the fear and the like discomfort that you feel from looking at it.

Yeah.

I don't know if this one is discomfort.

I think it's something about the way it's shot.

Like, you know, I'm talking about it in my review, and it kind of works with what the, like, not the same, but it kind of works with the new one too.

Yeah.

There's something about shooting in low quality that makes the motion of the ombies more jittery.

Like, it just-

Yeah, yeah.

Like, I don't know what it is, but it just makes their motions look more chaotic.

And I can't explain why.

I think part of it in general is just because when you can see something clearly, it doesn't look as scary.

But when the quality is not as good anymore, then it hides into the pure.

Yeah.

It looks frantic.

It looks like it bothered.

It makes it look more bothered.

And across these movies, I think the editing is such a huge part of what works.

And I think this movie has a different editor.

But the first two movies have Chris Gill, and this new movie has John Harris.

But the editing across all three.

Wow.

Yeah.

I think we're about to move into number three, but the editing definitely doesn't lose those steps at all.

And the third one, it still maintains a lot of that dynamic.

I don't want to skip ahead too much, but in the credits, for this third one, did you sit through the credits a little bit?

I did not.

In the credits, you're watching the normal credits, and then there's like, for a split second, the flashes from the movie.

Yeah, like just, like not even blinking.

It's like one frame, just one frame.

It just, it's incredible.

Like you're looking at subliminal messages.

You can really see it when you're, if you're in the theater and you turn around, look at the back of the theater, because it's solid black, and then you see the colors flash.

All right, before we move on too much, I want to come back to this first one, just because I think the story, because yeah, it's a ombie movie.

It's super stylish, but I think the reason this first one is my favorite of the trilogy, is because of the story and the core of the characters, the core of their emotions and how they're all strangers.

They come from nothing, and you see Killian Murphy get trained, become hardcore and ruthless over the arc of the movie.

You see him form relationships and bonds.

He creates a family, that his family gets torn apart, then he's fighting to save his family.

Whoa, what a story.

At the end, he's going around in the rain and the shadows.

He's like a freaking Batman.

You can see the next year, 2003, he auditioned for Batman.

He almost got the role in Batman Begins because of 28 Days Later.

This is a superhero movie.

It was incredible.

Did you ever see the interview with Danny Boyle talking about why he hired him?

No, no, no.

What did he say?

So it's pretty cool.

Whenever I was trying to do research for the review, one of the things he brought up is the fact that he hired him, not just because he's a great actor, but because Kellyan Murphy is in real life, he's that calm of a guy.

Yeah.

He's so calm.

He's like, when you talk to Kellyan, he's just the most relaxed individual.

He found it fascinating taking a persona like that, a person with the emplacement to the point that he almost becomes ombie-like at the end of it.

Yeah.

When the girl thinks he's a ombie, and she's like, I thought he was biting you.

He's like, I was kissing her.

Yeah.

Do you remember that scene?

Yeah.

That's why he did it.

It's a very inspired choice.

I love Danny Boyle.

When he dips his feet in genre stories, I think it's a lot better than his drama all the time.

Danny Boyle, he's got such an inspirational look into these little things and he's always experimenting with them.

I think that's what's so fascinating about even when you look at 28 Days Later, 28 Days, and then you step into 28 Years, how just the experimentation doesn't stop.

I can just keep going.

Again, to tease a little from 28 Years Later, the ending shot is like the most Danny Boyle thing.

I was like, no other director would have done this at the end of this movie.

Wait, which one?

The end of 28 Years Later?

We will get to that.

We will get to that.

I was like, it is so Danny Boyle.

No, no, no, no, no.

We'll spoiler it.

Yeah, we'll censor it.

Yeah, it's the experimentation of it all, that he just, Boyle's got like a sensibility.

Nobody could pull it off.

I can't.

One might even argue that he might not have in the third one, but I still would appreciate it.

We'll get there.

We'll get to the third one for sure.

This first movie, I just, I love the intense genre, the intense adrenaline, the action, fear, horror, romance, heart, humanity.

What a blend.

And it's such a nice movie.

It's under two hours and it's just boom.

I think one of the best sequences in that movie, too, is like, and it's so heartbreaking because it's so simple and it just goes bad to worse.

And it's with the character that you like.

Brandon Gleason.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know it's gonna happen.

You know it's gonna happen for what happens.

It's telegraphed.

Like you know it, but you still like, no.

So much worse than you expect.

You're just like, oh, oh no, oh no.

The whole movie just pivots in that moment because that's when you meet the other, Christopher Eccleston's military guys.

And then that exact same moment.

And then the family is destroyed.

And that's the whole, the whole movie transforms itself in that second half.

What a tight script.

Really good.

Yeah.

That's why I think Alex Garland is a frame better screenwriter than he is a film maker.

Yeah.

I remember you bringing this up before.

Yeah.

Like I don't know why that is.

I don't know if it's just because he's got more control in the script than he does on film.

Yeah.

But I think he's an amazing writer or idea.

That first film I think is just like a masterful horror film.

It's self-progressive and it pushed so many things forward.

Then the whole ombie genre went nuts in that time.

Like I-

Shaun of the Dead.

Dawn of the Dead.

Shaun, yeah, it brought everything back because of this film.

Video games, like video games, like back in the change.

It went from like slow ombies in Resident Evil to like Left 4 Dead, where you just had the maniac ombies, you're just trying to kill everything.

It's just such an influential horror film that just stands the test of time over and over again.

Yeah, and of course, Last of Us, but I think 28 Weeks Later is an even bigger influence on Last of Us also.

I don't think, the thing is, I feel like The Last of Us was more inspired by The Road than it really was like that.

I mean, like, there's a little bit of 28 Days in there, but I, yeah, I'll put it out there as well.

It's kind of its own thing, kind of its own thing.

Yeah, there is enough DNA, especially because we just had Last of Us season two.

There's enough DNA, and I Googled, and they did confirm, yeah, 28 Days wasn't an influence on us.

And I think you can feel that also more with 28 Weeks when they introduced the idea of immunity and the cure.

Yeah, and I feel like I said, I gotta be honest, I barely remember most of that time.

You can tell the difference.

You can tell that it was 28 Days, 28 Weeks, and one of them is in your head, shot for shot, and the other you're like, did that happen?

Was that a movie?

It's not even a slide against the bone.

I remember how it opened.

I remember the opening being very breathtaking.

Like you've been like the hole floating above the chase.

Yeah.

I remember that.

I remember the wife's death.

I remember Jeremy Rainer catching up fire and dying.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Good.

And that's about it.

That's about as much as I remember.

But it's not a slide against the film.

It's just, you know, it's not Danny Boyle.

Yeah.

I do think that the style of that one is pretty cool.

The music is just as good.

John Murphy's music is just as good, if not better than the first one.

And the cinematography is so great.

The cinematography, the editing, the music, the style is all there.

But the story is just weak.

The emotions, they were so weak.

The characters, I didn't care.

I was like, okay, kill them.

Fine.

The movie is going on.

I'm like, wait a minute.

It's been an hour?

We're not moving on?

Like, come on.

The movie is just so slow.

And I don't know, I don't want to say slow, but it just doesn't move.

Nothing.

It doesn't feel like it's momentum.

I don't know what I'm saying.

I mean, it's hard for me to really talk about it because I don't know.

Yeah.

I think honestly, there's not much story to remember.

You remember a couple of really vivid moments, but there's no story to really hook on to.

Well, the thing is, like I said, that wife's death, it seemed it's singed in my brain.

I literally can't get that part out.

I remember thinking that was one of the most horrible things I've ever seen on film.

No, another really horrible scene from this movie.

There's a couple of just awful, brutal scenes.

I think this is maybe the most hardcore of all of them.

There is, if you remember, when they find the, they figure out that there's a ombie, and all the people start evacuating, then the ombies and the people get mixed up.

They can't tell who's who.

They say it's out of control, and they say, execute them all.

Shoot everyone.

Then people are running, and their job is shoot everybody, even the civilians.

God, that was so hard to watch in 2020.

I really remember that.

That's just one of the most horrible things I've ever seen in a movie.

But then let's get to the main attraction.

You're done with 28 Days.

People want to know.

I'm just saying, we've been talking about these for a little bit.

I know what people are here for.

You know what people are here for.

They want to know about 28 Years Later.

They want to know what we think about 28 Years Later.

But chances are, they clicked on this review.

They've probably seen those films before.

Do you want to tease a little bit about the story or no?

I think I did.

I think I've already set up the story.

I'll go through it just a little bit.

So, you know, it's about a family that lives on an island, somewhere up in the mainland.

Like, it's a son, a mother and a father.

The mother's sick, the father is, you know, he means well, but you could call him kind of distant because of trying to care for his life.

And that kind of creates a little distress between him and the kid.

There's just a little bit of friction there.

And then they go off.

But you can tell that he really loves the kid, too.

That's what makes a complicated modern relationship.

Yeah.

He does care for the kid.

I think he actually cares for the wife, too.

Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, it's a tough situation.

It's a very tough situation.

So I'm going to give some, so basically, you know, he goes with the mom, the kid goes with the mom to go get help.

And that's basically, that is the central conflict in the film, trying to get his mom help.

No, no.

I noticed that all three movies, all three movies are like adventure quests, that it's people traveling across an area to go accomplish a goal, right?

All three, yeah.

Well, I'll give my big impression of all this from the beginning spoilers.

I think this is a really good Gell-Bonded Autonomous Story in a 28 and a Danny Boyle film.

Okay.

This is way more lighthearted than all of them in tone.

Like, it's more innocent.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's a key point to believe.

It's got violent things in it.

Don't get me wrong.

I mean, like, there's somebody who gets their spine ripped up, you know?

It's like, there's violent things in it, but it's not as brutally depicted as the other films.

It doesn't feel as aggressive as the other films.

It's also more humorous than the other films.

And it's the one thing that I always like about Guillermo del Toro, you know, whether it's like Anne's Labyrinth or, what is it?

There was another one before that, about a good child and a ghost.

Kronos?

Say what?

Kronos?

Devil's Backbone?

No, Devil's Backbone.

Devil's Backbone.

Not Kronos.

But he's got a way of, like, showing the way children see the world in terror.

Like, that's the one thing that I've always loved about Deltarune's early work, is he loved to look at the innocent side of horror.

And I think this is very much in that vein where you're on the kid's perspective this entire run.

It's also a little goofy, like, I mean, dude, a bunch of kids...

I mean, it's in the trailer.

A bunch of kids get murdered while watching The Cosmic Circus Podcasts, I mean, that's the most silly, and so sillier than the other films.

A preacher in this movie, and it's not a spoiler, I'm sorry, it's in the trailer.

You can go see it in the trailer.

A preacher gets murdered by ombies while screaming, yes, my children!

And it is the most doubtful, no, like, instinct I've ever seen in a Danny Boyle film.

It's a little comical, but it still has got that grounded, like, look.

I'm trying to think of one else.

The ombies are even, like, different.

Like, it's...

Yeah, they introduce different types of ombies.

In my opinion, that makes sense, because it's 28 years later, things have evolved, things have changed.

The ombies have, like, almost a societal structure.

That makes sense.

It makes sense.

Like, they're treated like animals, for sure.

Like, not like, like...

They're more like wild boar.

I enjoyed seeing Aaron Taylor-Johnson play an actual Craven of the Hunter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is a Craven of the Hunter movie that he was supposed to make.

And that's what it is.

Like, it's like, you know, the animal, like, the ombies have evolved.

They're more like caveman-like creatures and feral.

They're more feral.

That's the best term to put it.

Sure.

Sure.

They're more feral in here.

And, I mean, there's a surprise character in this, and I won't say who it is.

I mean, if you've seen enough footage...

Yeah.

Yeah.

You'll know, but, like, even that character is slightly comical.

Slightly comical.

So, the movie is more lighthearted, a little more playful, a little more innocent.

It's still brutal.

It's still a little bleak, but it is surprisingly different.

I find it refreshing.

There are going to be people that hate this movie.

There are absolutely people that are going to hate this movie.

I think so, but I think it's still better than 28 Weeks Later.

In general, I really enjoyed this.

I thought it was great.

I put a little short video up, I think, last night when I was walking out of the movie.

Like you said, I think there's a kind of beauty and soul to this that even the first movie didn't have, especially in scenes where the scene, without spoilers, where there's the Tower of Bones, that's such a beautiful scene.

You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, it's in the books, the bones.

Yeah, but what happens with the Tower of Bones?

Wow, that's like movies.

That is actually the iconography of this movie, or in the posters, those But the meaning of it, and what they do with that in the movie, there's deeper philosophical thoughts in this movie.

There's actual discussions.

It's amazing.

You see so many points of view about the ombies, about humanity, about how we treat the ombies.

One of them is called Samson, and the reason why he's, the whole story, that connection there, it means something, the relationship with it.

And again, I think that's going to be a divisive choice, the fact that they humanize some of these things.

Some characters humanize and some characters, yeah.

I'm okay with it.

It works for me, but I'm fully expecting people to be divided on some of this because they're probably going in, because again, you were able to watch all three back to back and probably be able to get this on one take.

There are people that have been sitting on the first two for many years.

Imagine sitting on those first two, 20 years and all of a sudden get the things that this movie gives you now.

Yeah.

I'm sure it'll be controversial.

I'm sure people will be yelling at the same thing.

It's going to be John.

It's going to be John.

I think in my opinion, it is justified that it's been 28 years later.

It makes sense that things aren't going to be the same as they were 28 years ago.

I think that does make sense.

Society is different.

Additionally, that's going to be divisive.

Is that randomly, I'm not going to say what, we almost spoiled it earlier.

But out of nowhere, out of nowhere, this movie just turns into a negative write-off.

Out of nowhere in the last two minutes.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The ending is nuts.

And I honestly, without this ending, I think it's a better movie.

However, the ending is so Danny Boyle, I don't think he would ever cut it.

I don't even know if it's Danny Boyle.

It feels very, to me, it felt like, oh, yeah, this is the guy who did Trainspotting.

I get it.

It feels, I was sitting there watching it going, did Edgar Wright just take over directing this movie?

So, like, out of nowhere, it turns into Shot of the Dead, like, randomly.

I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

I think that's the part that really hurts this movie the most, is that the fact that it's the beginning of potentially a trilogy.

They've already filmed part 2 with Nia DaCosta and they're planning, hopefully, for a part 3.

And I think that that ending, if they, because the first two movies are both stand-alone, it's a great stand-alone story.

This is the first 28 movie where the ending is like, what?

And then it cuts and you're left wondering, and it doesn't even say to be continued.

It is essential information to know that this is a part 1.

If I didn't know, if you didn't tell me before this movie that this is a part 1, you told me that three, I think three times.

If you didn't tell me before this movie, I think I would have given it two stars and said, what the f*** is this?

Yeah.

So to be clear, if you have not seen the film, I'm going to tell you what I told Vin.

So I've saw the film on Tuesday, Vin saw it yesterday.

Yeah.

I came out of the film on Tuesday and I told Vin, bro, just so you know, I just got told this is a two-part story.

Yeah.

And I was right about that.

We found out that it's going to be three parts.

Yeah.

That's probably going to be three parts of number two as well.

Yeah.

And I remember when you told me that too, I was like, John, don't spoil the ending for me.

I don't want to know that it's part one or two.

You have to know.

It is essential information to know.

It doesn't even say to be continued, but you have to know to be continued.

That's why I told you because if you don't, you walk out and throw.

I think it won't make people upset.

Yeah.

I mean, there's already a couple of things in this movie that I think are kind of frustrating or stupid.

That I'm surprised you're not already yelling about some of them.

But it works until the end, and then the end is a little bit set up, but it's still shocking.

I want to continue with some pauses.

Yeah.

So I will say this to you.

I think the music is not as good as, but it really suffers without John Murphy.

I'm sorry.

It's good, but not as good at all.

It's not good without John Murphy.

I also miss the Game Quarter.

I used the iPhones on this, which is-

I found that out later.

Yeah.

Which is not bad.

It doesn't look bad.

But I was like, I really miss the Game Quarter.

I don't want the Game Quarter back.

They still do some experimental things in the cinematography.

They still have some scenes where it's intentionally crappy quality.

But I think it almost makes sense because it is 28 Years Later.

It's going to look a little sharper.

The biggest jump for me was going from 28 Days to Weeks, because 28 Weeks Later feels like such a Hollywood, Americanized movie, and I just felt like it was glossy, and it felt like it just lost all the grime and dirt from that first movie.

That was the bigger jump.

Coming to 28 Years, I was like, okay, yeah, I expect this.

But 28 Days to 28 Weeks, I thought that lost a lot in the cinematography.

That just the way the camera moves.

I agree, but I'm just meaning like if we're looking at the Danny Boyle, like, for me, I don't think of these in terms of like weeks to days, or like, you know what I'm saying?

Like I'm looking at this like Danny Boyle returned to in my franchise.

Yeah, I know.

But I'm looking at it like that.

I'm thinking like, you know, I just missed that first way that he did it.

I think it looked so much like, it just looked, I don't know.

It's funny because when I first watched it in 2002, I remember going, I don't know what to do.

Of course, of course, it's a choice.

Yeah.

And then like an hour into it, I'm like, no, I like this.

I like this a lot.

It adds so much to the movie.

It really does.

But I don't think the choice he made in this one, but the iPhones is as strong.

I mean, it's certainly a choice.

I think he was going to show that people could do it.

But I just don't think it's as strong as number one.

I didn't even know it was filmed on an iPhone.

I thought it was just a normal camera.

Then I came out and my friend was like, what do you think of the iPhone footage?

I'm like, I didn't even know it was iPhone.

I thought it was just a movie.

Yeah.

I thought it was fine.

I thought it was fine.

But I will say that the cinematography is still great.

It's still great.

Especially the editing.

The editing is great in this movie.

There's different shots where they're walking through fields and valleys and stuff.

That just, it's the greens for me that just made me like, just, I'm like, man, I don't even care if it's ombie shows or prologue.

It's such a beautiful movie.

It's so beautiful.

So beautiful.

Even the way the Tower of Skull is like.

It looks so good.

Yeah.

I just, I really liked this movie.

I'm surprised you're not yelling yet about some of the weird decisions.

But the whole plot.

I like weird.

That's the thing about it then.

So the one thing, and I'm going to bring up a movie that I didn't like this week, F1.

The one thing that I appreciate, I appreciate a risky weird choice over the absolute safest plus more cliche decision than you could make in a movie, which F1 makes continually for two hours.

Are you surprised?

Yeah, a little bit.

Top Gun was amazing.

Same director.

I think that movie was highly ambitious.

I'm not going to go pulling you through.

Top one is, I'll take a risky, I'll take a risky weird decision any day over the safest cliche in the world.

Yeah.

And that's something I really laud about this movie, is that it actually does do weird things, take weird risks.

And when the characters make stupid decisions, they have consequences.

There's a few spots that I was frustrated by.

The kid makes a decision with the mom that's crucial to the whole movie.

If the whole plot is based on this decision the kid makes.

And then I felt it was too safe.

When they're on their little quest, there's almost no danger.

And sometimes there is danger and that's part of the story.

But it was a lot safer than I expected it to be.

But that's why I want to tell you that the movie's got less teeth.

A little bit.

Yeah, a little bit.

It's not as brutal.

And I don't think it's to make the safe choice.

I think it's because either Danny Boyle is a lot older now too.

He's come at it from an innocent perspective.

The entire film, even though it's in a ombie apocalypse, it's bathing in naïve optimism.

I think a lot of that comes from the kid's point of view.

28 Weeks Later is also from a kid's point of view.

But you're also with a girl who's like 19 in that movie.

It's not the same at all.

Yeah.

This is from a 12 year old's perspective.

And you're seeing him explore and see the world for the first time.

And you are so in his point of view.

Alfie Williams is so good in the movie.

He's the star of this movie.

He's very good in the movie.

I mean, Jodie, I think Jodie Comer has the top building.

Great.

Good for her.

But Alfie Williams is like down the list.

But that kid is this movie.

He is so good.

I think this is actually one of Jodie Comer's best.

She was fantastic in it.

She was so good.

She was fantastic in it, yeah.

I'm most excited to see her character and how people react to her character.

I really, I really, I like your character.

Yeah, it's a great role.

It's a great role.

But yeah, I mean, I just, I think that's where it's coming from.

I think it's just, it's not that it's plain and safe.

I think it's just, this is a story about a kid.

I don't know if the movie would survive if one of these people, there's only two of them roaming around this manland.

If one of them gets 28 weeks later than this movie, I don't know if the movie will survive that.

I really don't.

For what it's going for, I don't know if it will work.

If out of nowhere, just the mom just gets like, like, you know what I'm saying?

Like that scene in 28 Weeks Later.

I don't know if this story would survive that.

Yeah.

I mean, that's realistic for what would happen, but then your whole story falls apart, the script falls apart.

I just don't know if this will survive that for this purpose.

Now, John, tell me, are you ready for a trilogy of, does this movie inspire you?

Are you excited for two more?

Do you think they have the energy?

I'm serious.

I'm actually serious.

Based on that bonkers ending, yeah, I'm serious.

Like, I mean, the only thing that makes me go is that it's need to cost them.

Which is nothing against her, I think, but we're just nervous when they change the directors.

She hasn't shown me anything so far that really gives me a lot of hope that it's going to live up to anyone else.

Did you see Candyman?

I did.

I did see Candyman.

It was fun.

I haven't seen it, but that was my impression.

It was fun.

The Marvels was okay, too, but I don't see how that translates to this.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm not saying she's a bad filmmaker.

I'm not implying that.

I'm simply saying I have not seen anything that's inspired me to think that she can live up to Danny Boyle.

I definitely agree.

I think there's some filmmakers they could have picked and it would have been a match made in heaven.

With her, we're just like, what's the vision?

I don't see the vision.

I'm sure there might be, but I just I don't I want to see what I do.

What I do understand from Danny Boyle, based on the interview I saw, you know, the Marvels was not really entirely her fault.

Right.

And that she was making a movie for Marvel.

Yeah.

She wasn't making a movie for her.

Right.

So he says she's got complete creative freedom in this movie.

Interesting.

So whatever happens with 28 Days, 28 Weeks Later, The Bone Temple, that's my name in the movie right now.

Whatever happens with that, we won't know where she stands as a filmmaker or no.

Yeah.

And then do you want Danny Boyle, is he confirmed to return for the third one?

Or do you want him a different one?

I don't know what's funny in the interview that I read.

Like I said, I didn't realize it was a three, so I read that interview.

He says, I think I just got a text message telling me whether we got financing on the third one or not.

So I guess to be determined if he's going to do it or not.

I'm just a little bit nervous if she has complete creative control, but then you have the same director for one and three.

I'm a little worried this could be like Force Awakens, Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker.

But it can't be that.

Whatever she does in the second one, he'll have to add to that and not undo it in the third one.

Well, it's still written by Alex Garland.

Oh, it is?

Okay.

I didn't know.

Okay.

Yeah, it's still written by Alex Garland.

Okay.

I feel much better than if it's a consistent writer across the three.

Yeah.

So no matter what, it's still going to be his story.

Do you think Alex Garland should have directed the next one?

I wouldn't be shocked if he's doing it on the three.

Ah, interesting.

I wouldn't be shocked.

I don't know if he will, but it's possible.

That's interesting.

Should we move into the spoilers?

Sure.

Go ahead.

First of all, it goes all the way back to this.

I think the kid leaving with the mom was really stupid.

This boy has left society once in his life, and then the very next day he gets mad at his dad, he takes his mom and he goes out and he's like, I will save her.

It's such a kid thing to do that you're like, of course the kid would do this, but also it's stupid, but also you get it.

The money sold me on it though.

I was like, it is a very dumb decision, but he's 12.

I want to remind you, the day before he did that, the Alpha chased them to the door, they killed the Alpha, and I was waiting for the repercussions of that.

For example, what if then his whole society chases after them and is waiting, and then once they come out, then decide, I don't understand how they survived an hour with just a dumb kid who can't shoot an arrow properly and this mom who doesn't know what's going on.

I thought they should have died so fast.

Technically, they do almost die.

There's one part of it where they literally almost do.

Even sooner than that.

On the train.

Yeah, I know, but I was expecting them to die, and also the gas station.

I mean, straight up that entire sequence of those soldiers is one of the best parts of the film, I think.

What I'm saying is they had a whole Lord of the Rings quest before that, and so I was expecting that to happen a little bit sooner before we see them journeying across the scenic wasteland, wonderland.

It didn't really bother me because it implies at the start, you know, like when he's with his father, his father got genuinely surprised to see the office.

So it didn't really sound like it's something that he ran into often whenever it happened because whenever they run into him, Aaron Taylor-Johnson has a very shocked look that they are when they cross them in that moment.

Remember that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like he didn't really seem like he...

Maybe I'm wrong, but he didn't really seem like he...

He wasn't expecting them at all, yeah.

Yeah, so I don't know if that is a correct analysis on that.

So...

Okay, interesting.

And in fact, I'm wondering now, I think in the next movie, we'll see some things from the Jimmy's point of view.

For example, if you remember, there's the shack and you see the guy hanging upside down and you see something's written on his chest.

Do you remember that?

It's Jimmy.

Jimmy is written on his chest.

Oh, I know.

I remember.

I remember all of it.

I think we're going to see scenes like this, that there's more to the story in part one that we haven't seen.

We're going to see, I think probably, we'll see an explanation at least from the Jimmy's point of view.

I'm guessing, my guess is that they're going to go full like the last of us with it.

Okay.

Where like, number one is like, well, when the last of us season two is about like...

The Talley's point of view, then season three will be Abbey's point of view.

Will be Abbey's.

Like, I'm going to, my guess is that like number two is going to be from Jimmy's point of view on that.

Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting, yeah.

Oh yeah, so we're on the same page.

We're on the same page.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you care about the Jimmy's?

What is your thought on the Jimmy's?

Did you see their names in the credits?

I don't know, I don't know.

I'm intrigued, Vin.

I'm intrigued.

I'm very intrigued.

The thing that just caught me off guard is the fact that we're in this desolate, ombie, bleak, weird wasteland and then all of a sudden these random, I don't know how you would call them, proxy mafia looking bozos.

Straight out of Hawkeye.

Looking like they've had a bath and just clean as well.

They look pretty clean.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think those look sparkly as can be, and they've started doing the most random martial art moves.

I'm like, dude, it felt like an entirely different movie.

Yeah.

It was really bizarre and I did not like it in the moment.

But now I'm just a little curious about part two, but I don't think it's a good end to the movie.

You know what I'm saying?

It feels like an entirely different film.

Yeah.

The movie is set up to end in such a powerful way, and he has his arrow, and he's mature, and it's a coming-of-age story, and then the jimmies show up like Jawas or something.

And you're like, what is this?

Full multi-platform.

I don't know where it is.

Yeah.

I want to read the name of the jimmies.

There's the leader, Sir Jimmy Crystal, and there's Jimmy Ink, Jemima, Jimmy Joe, Jimmy Fox, Jimmy Jimmy, Jimmy Shite, and Jimmy Snake.

What are we doing here?

Vin, I didn't even think about it.

I got to tell you this.

I got to tell you this now.

Part II wasn't my most anticipated film.

Now, did I have that knowledge?

It's not my most anticipated film.

I'm surprised there isn't one called Jiminy Cricket.

That would have been great.

But also, what's interesting is the first movie, wasn't his name Jim, Killian Murphy?

His name was Jim.

That's a total coincidence.

I think it is, yeah.

It is.

It's Jim in the first movie.

And he will be in part II, by the way.

Yeah, which is crazy.

So I'm really interested to see what the heck is going on here.

You're going to have Jim and Jimmy.

I'm excited.

This is now my most anticipated film of all time.

Jim, Jimmy, and Jemima.

No, no, no.

I'm all for it.

I'm like, man, whatever this weird crap is, bring it to me.

But I do believe that there's going to be a lot of people that hate it.

I think a lot of people are not going to be very happy with the complete ton of shit of everything.

Definitely.

I think it's good, but with an asterisk.

But I just got to say, binging all three movies, what an experience.

I love these movies.

They're great.

Especially that first one, I think it's pure perfection.

I love that first movie now.

Nothing is top of the first one.

Nothing is top of the first one.

But I appreciate that.

I don't think they're even trying to.

But they're giving us different stories in this world.

It feels like it's a whole universe.

And they're just exploring different little pockets.

One more interesting thing, at the end of 28 Weeks Later, the virus comes to Europe.

The movie ends with them in France, and the virus is spreading in France.

The idea that Jurassic Park, now the dinosaurs have escaped the park, it's going to take over the world.

Then 28 Years Later, it does a dead speak, like a Palpatine thing at the beginning.

It says, the virus hit Europe and was pushed back.

Never mind what happened at the end of the last movie.

It doesn't matter.

Don't worry about it.

I will say this before we get off.

There's one thing that I thought about when I was writing the review.

I didn't even realize that they put it in the trailer.

There's a little section in this film that I really loved.

That's also utilized in the trailer.

It's a poem that's spoken by some of the names of Taylor Homes called Boots.

It is awesome.

It's mechanized in a part of this film, and I think it's incredibly effective.

Incredibly effective.

It's probably one of my favorite parts of the movie.

When they're entering the mainland, and it's just going up and down, up and down.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

It's a good movie, man.

Yeah.

Something incredibly haunting about the way that poem is spoken.

But it also has a momentum.

It has a drive forward, forward, forward, but it's scary.

It's still scary.

It's scary.

Yeah, it's very scary.

Do you know anything about that poem by Rupert?

No.

No, I don't, but I can.

So it's written by Rupert Kipling.

And it's based on the war, like in 1891, and it's basically trying to communicate the anxiety and the fear of that march.

How the marching creates anxiety when you hear it over and over.

And the repetitive thing almost full of like a sigh out.

And just, oh man, it's so good.

Anyway, that's all I got.

I wanted to talk about that.

I'm so glad we had this because it's a lot to talk about, these three movies.

They're not just ombie movies, but there's actually something really deep and interesting, not just in the story and the emotions and the characters, but even the filmmaking with the camera, with the editing, with the music.

Fantastic.

What a great sequence of movies.

It is a weird Danny Boyle movie, and I love it for it.

I don't care if people are divisive about it.

It takes a lot of chances, and I dig it.

We've been very respectful with spoilers.

Even what we've talked about, there's still so many surprises in this movie, we haven't really even touched on.

I don't think we're even going to talk about the office.

We don't have to, because I want people to watch this video without watching the movie problem.

I want them to go in blind.

We went in totally blind knowing nothing.

Just great.

There's stuff in this movie that will surprise you.

Yeah, it's good.

Good, man.

Anyway, one more thing.

Ralph Fiennes, amazing in this film.

Very, very, very, very good.

That's all I want to say.

Okay, that's it.

When I saw the poster, let me tell you, John, I knew nothing.

I know absolutely nothing.

I looked at the poster and I was like, oh, look, there's Vinnie Jones and it's Aragorn and Jodie Comer.

That's what I thought I saw in the poster.

Knowing nothing.

I was like, wow, they got Aragorn.

Oh, my gosh.

Then Vinnie Jones.

Vinnie Jones?

You thought it was Vinnie Jones?

Am I crazy?

You can see it.

I mean, like, now that you see it, kind of, but.

You know, just in the movie, I'm like walking past on my way and I'm like, oh, hey, let's see.

Oh, my gosh.

Anyway.

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