Is California collapsing, or is it the blueprint for what comes next?

Michael Malice (“YOUR WELCOME”) sits down with author, journalist, and non-partisan commentator, Michael Shellenberger, to discuss his viral Rogan interview, what it’s like to run against Gavin Newsom, and how the modern left is pushing the accelerator on California’s decline. The two talk about the cause of today’s political and cultural turmoil, if “woke” is evolving or fading, and what’s instigating the fading optimism inside the Democratic Party.

The conversation also ventures into darker terrain, covering Epstein, the coded language inside the files, and the unsettling public fascination with conspiracy itself.

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