When Jess Perlman is facilitating conversations with the beyond, she sees her work as a type of spiritual charades. This week, she joins Mo to discuss what it’s like to practice as a full-time psychic medium, why she sees her work like any other artistry, and what we can all stand to learn by releasing ourselves from the world of form.

Jess is on Instagram @jess_perlman. You can learn more about her work at tothehollow.com.

Worse Than You with Mo Fry Pasic is hosted and produced by ⁠Mo Fry Pasic⁠. Our executive producers are Erica Getto, Myrriah Gossett, and Lauren Mandel.

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Worse Than You with Mo Fry Pasic is a ⁠Good Get⁠ and ⁠Disco Nap⁠ Co-Production. Want more from Good Get? Check out ⁠One of Us with Fin and Chris⁠ and ⁠Drag Her! with Mano Agapion and Oscar Montoya⁠. For more from Disco Nap, listen to ⁠My Favorite Lyrics with Devon Walker⁠!

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