In this episode of the Women Emerging Podcast, Julia Middleton sits down with Janice to explore one of the questions many women face as they begin leading others: can empathy ever become too much?

Together, they begin by affirming something fundamental: empathy is essential. We are leading people, not robots, and understanding the human impact of our decisions is at the heart of good leading. But then the conversation turns to a more difficult question. What happens when empathy has no boundaries? What happens when understanding becomes enabling, when kindness is mistaken for weakness, or when one person's needs begin to overshadow the needs of the wider team?

Drawing on her own experience, Janice reflects on recognising manipulation, setting boundaries for the first time, and discovering that protecting a team sometimes means making decisions that feel deeply uncomfortable. Julia explores how empathy can become self-sabotage without clear limits, why motherness includes both nurturing and fierceness, and how empathy must extend not only to individuals, but also to the purpose, the team and yourself.

This is a thoughtful conversation about empathetic leadership, boundaries, difficult decisions and learning that compassion and accountability are not opposites. As Julia concludes, perhaps one of the most enduring lessons for anyone leading is simply this: be loving, but firm.