In this episode of the Women Emerging Podcast, Julia Middleton sits down with Iris Lin, an Explorer from the Global Changemakers 2 expedition, to explore how our experience of education can continue to shape the way we approach leading.

For Iris, being a good student meant believing that preparation, perfection and having the right answers were the keys to success. But through her Women Emerging expedition, she began to question whether those same habits were holding her back when working with others and navigating uncertainty.

Together, Julia and Iris explore the difference between solving problems with a blueprint and exploring alongside others without knowing every step ahead. They discuss why perfection can slow momentum, how fear and courage can exist side by side, and why leading is less about having all the answers and more about creating the energy for a group to keep moving forward.

This is a thoughtful conversation about education, essence, courage and discovering an approach to leading that is rooted in curiosity rather than certainty.