In this episode of the Wine and Gold Talk podcast, Ethan Sands, Chris Fedor and Jimmy Watkins react to the Cavaliers trading Darius Garland and a second-round pick for James Harden, debating who actually won the deal.

They weigh Harden’s current All-Star-level play against his age and playoff history while discussing what moving Garland says about the Cavs’ shift to a clear win-now timeline built around Donovan Mitchell.

The conversation also looks ahead at what this trade could unlock next — from chasing another superstar to creating future cap flexibility — while acknowledging the human element of moving on from a player who helped define Cleveland’s rebuild.

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