in this episode, erich is joined by hip hop artist and cultural worker matre for a candid conversation about why conversations around race can feel so charged, vulnerable, and difficult, even among people committed to justice and growth. together, they explore fear, in group dynamics, overlapping identities, and the tension between saying the “right” thing and speaking from love. the conversation touches on race as a collective wound, the vulnerability of being witnessed, and what becomes possible when we choose growth over performance. this episode is the first in a short series with matre, and opens space for honest reflection at the growing edge of race, music, spirituality, and liberation. to hear more from matre, including reflections on music, vulnerability, and healing, check out his podcast love bravely: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/the-love-bravely-podcast/id1783210134

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