in this episode, erich continues his conversation with hip hop artist and cultural worker matré, exploring a central tension many white and white passing people encounter: how to relate ethically, honestly, and responsibly to being white and playing black music. matré reflects on his lifelong relationship with hip hop, the questions that arose as he navigated identity and belonging, and how conversations with trusted people, including his brother, helped clarify the real impact of race and access. this episode is not about arriving at a single answer, but about staying in relationship with the question. it’s an invitation into vulnerability, humility, and ongoing learning, grounded in love for the music and commitment to liberation. to hear more from matré, including reflections on music, healing, and courageous conversation, check out his podcast love bravely: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/the-love-bravely-podcast/id1783210134

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