(00:00:00) are we just coddling white folks? (with aaron kierbel)
(00:00:01) Welcome to White People, Black Music, and Liberation
(00:00:29) Introducing Aaron Kerbel: Drummer, Educator, and Friend
(00:01:17) The Tension Between White Space and Racial Justice
(00:03:46) The Importance of White Spaces for Racial Reflection
(00:10:56) Creating Spaces for Cross-Racial Dialogue
(00:12:03) Wrapping Up and Next Episode Preview
(00:12:28) Support the Podcast Community

white people doing racial justice work often face a hard question from their own communities: is focusing on white folks actually helping or just letting them off the hook? in this conversation with drummer and educator aaron kierbel, we explore the healing power of honest conversation, why white people need spaces to talk about race with one another, and how that work can open the door to deeper cross-racial dialogue rather than replace it.

white people, black music, and liberation is an independent podcast exploring race, music, and what it means to move from *programming* into liberation. 
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have a thought, a question, or a story of your own? reach out at whitepeopleblackmusic@gmail.com 
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