EPISODE DESCRIPTION 

In this episode, I sit down with Milos, Lead Engineer at Enso, live at Berlin Blockchain Week. We dig into the real problem holding back DeFi builders, complexity. Audits cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, bridges are a nightmare, and integrating protocols is a full-time job on its own. Enso is tackling all of that with a single API that handles routing, security, and DeFi actions across 100-plus protocols, so developers and agents can just build. We also get into the RWA boom, the current state of AI agents in Web3, and why Milos thinks we should never forget where DeFi came from. 

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 CONNECT 

Enso Website:https://www.enso.build/

Enso Twitter/X: https://x.com/EnsoBuild

Enso LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/enso-build/

Milos LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/miloscostantini/

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 KEY POINTS WITH TIMESTAMPS 

• [00:00] Milos explains the core problem Enso solves: complexity for DeFi developers

• [01:33] Milos's personal journey from mining Bitcoin as a student in 2016 to writing his thesis on Ethereum

• [03:13] How smart contract development has and hasn't changed over the years

• [06:00] How Enso's API removes the need for developers to deploy integration contracts or manage bridges

• [07:00] Built-in security defaults, like MEV protection on DEX swaps, that come with Enso

• [07:53] Why using Enso means you don't need your own smart contract audit

• [09:36] The biggest trend Enso is seeing: RWA and tokenized stocks

• [10:43] How Enso lets users buy tokenized stocks using any token from any chain

• [11:40] Flash loan aggregator and looping positions, what's coming next

• [12:05] How Enso makes money through fee-split partnerships with integrators

• [13:00] The long-term vision: becoming the most composable orchestration layer in DeFi

• [14:29] Milos's take on the current hardening era for DeFi and the rise of hacks

• [16:38] His most contrarian view: don't forget Web3's roots in permissionless experimentation and values

• [18:23] Notable projects built on Enso including Yearn, EtherFi, and the Boiko Layer 0 migration

• [20:44] Advice for builders: don't give up, explore on-chain options protocols

• [22:28] Enso is profitable and actively hiring