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Waldy chats to Damien Hirst about his grotto design, precious stones, and the value of art.

Watch on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/a0qvZtlBU3M

See the Show Notes here: https://zczfilms.com/podcasts/waldy-bendy/season-5-episode-17-interview-with-damien-hirst/

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Season 5, Episode 17: Interview with Damien Hirst

Episode Description

Never lose your place, on any device