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Phil and Rob are lifelong Leeds United fans; and complete opposites when it comes to following the club. Rob’s the optimist. Phil’s the pessimist, shaped by years of Leeds-induced damage.

Over a pint, they chew over the latest Leeds chaos team selections, dodgy decisions, last-minute drama, and the emotional toll of following this club. Follow them through the season as they ride the wins, survive the losses, and overthink the draws.

Written by Chris O’Connor (Through It All Together, Inside Elland Road), performed by lifelong Leeds fan Paul Fox and Dean Smith of The Square Ball and produced by Bielsa widow Ed Heaton.

A pint-fuelled podcast comedy drama about hope, fear, friendship — and sticking with Leeds through the ups & downs.

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Phil and Rob catch up in the pub and reflect on Leeds United's 1-0 win over Fulham, Farke's turn of fortune and what's really behind Brendan Aaronson's renaissance.

Ups and Downs is an audio series following the lives of two Leeds United fans.

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Goalkeepers, Gruev and Grinder

Episode Description

Never lose your place, on any device