Episode Description
Most companies buy AI backwards — they pick a platform before they have named what they are actually trying to fix. James Ernst of Core Order thinks that single inversion explains most of the disappointment small and mid-sized businesses feel about AI.
James spent eighteen years in marketing and public relations at agencies around the country, took a three-year detour running his own restaurant in Buffalo, and has spent the last two years working in AI full time. Core Order isn't an AI agency — he calls it a growth architecture firm, and the distinction is the whole argument.
In this episode
- The question that comes before the tool — not which platform to buy, but what you are trying to make structurally better.
- Why tools go unused — departments each buy their own, a few people adopt them, and the company's data ends up scattered exactly where AI can't reach it.
- Homebrew vs. off-the-shelf — pull data from the CRM you already pay for via API or an MCP server, then build the narrow workflow around it.
- Security and hallucination — the only two objections James hears in every room, and how he answers each.
- Financial data specifically — locked-down databases, enterprise accounts where your inputs aren't training the model, and locally hosted open-source models.
- An agent swarm that researches prospects — feed it a domain and a contact name, get back a company profile and recommended services.
- Regulated industries — capturing HIPAA constraints, red lines and approved language in the discovery session instead of after something goes wrong.
- Four hours a week to thirty minutes — the concrete win, and why the reclaimed time goes back to your people rather than into a headcount cut.
Chapters
- (00:00) Villain origin story — eighteen years in PR, and a restaurant
- (03:09) What a “growth architecture firm” actually does
- (04:39) The subscription graveyard every business has
- (06:25) Homebrew or off-the-shelf?
- (08:09) Making sure AI says the right thing about you
- (10:29) Internal workflows first, AI search later
- (11:28) The two objections: security and hallucination
- (12:41) Where the wins actually show up
- (13:50) Is your financial data safe?
- (15:38) Case study: an agent swarm that researches prospects
- (17:22) Hot take — superpower or distraction
- (18:50) Regulated industries and approved language
- (21:39) Which verticals are primed
- (23:40) The pain point underneath everything is time
- (25:14) On being kind to the robots
- (26:10) Imposter syndrome at the frontier
- (28:45) AI slop and the rising value of human work
- (31:11) Where to find James Ernst
Notable quotes
“The first question you should be asking is not which tool should we buy, but what are we trying to make structurally better?” — James Ernst
“AI could either be a superpower or a distraction.” — James Ernst
“I don't leverage AI to write anything for me, because that is such a part of the human process that I want to keep.” — James Ernst
Resources & links
- Core Order — James's growth architecture firm
- The Core Order blog, including Why Enterprise AI Investments Fail and Intelligence Is a Commodity
- James Ernst on LinkedIn — where he's most active, and happy to talk AI with anyone
- Full write-up of this episode
- AI & Small Business hub — what other founders on the show are actually doing with AI
- On keeping the writing human: human-certified, expert-sourced content
About the show
Unscripted Small Business is hosted by Jeremy Rivera. Full episode archive at unscriptedsmallbusiness.com.