Why Companies Are Doing More and Saying Less in 2025 - Dale Hardcastle and Henning Huenteler

Dec 9, 2025
58 mins

Episode Description

In this episode of This Week in Carbon, hosts Edward Smith and Rene Velasquez are joined by Dale Hardcastle (Partner, Bain & Company – Singapore, Energy Transition & Asia) and Henning Huenteler (Partner, Bain & Company – Amsterdam, Sustainability & Carbon Markets), two of the sharpest minds tracking corporate climate action and carbon markets globally. Coming off a chaotic 2025, Dale and Henning pull no punches on what actually changed this year—and what it means as we head into 2026.We discuss:• 2025 in review: from ESG backlash and Larry Fink’s silence to the biggest Climate Week ever and a surprisingly pragmatic COP30• Bain’s AI-powered analysis of 35,000+ CEO statements: sustainability mentions are down, but business-value framing has doubled since 2018• The global marginal abatement cost curve: ~25% of emissions already profitable to cut today, another ~33% get there by 2035• Policy whiplash: US 180° pivot, EU walking back overreach, Asia’s quiet but relentless march on energy security and green growth• AI’s terrifying power hunger: data centres potentially adding 800+ Mt CO₂e/year by 2035 and why efficiency gains aren’t even close to keeping up• Carbon removal reality check: 60 Mt of committed corporate demand by 2030 vs. only ~20 Mt credible durable supply without urgent off-take signals• The hyperscaler bottleneck: why Microsoft, Google, Stripe & co. can’t scale CDR alone—and what it really takes to unlock the next wave of buyers and capital• Asia’s emerging carbon-market leadership: Singapore’s hub ambitions, Indonesia reopening its market, Vietnam unlocking direct PPAs• 2030s outlook: the countdown to 2030 targets is now real for CEOs, the slow-but-steady maturation of carbon markets, and why both guests remain genuinely optimistic

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