Episode Description
How can you have more spiritual experiences and learn to part the veil? It's the question host Tia Smith is asked most often, and in this episode of Thinning of the Veil she answers it for Latter-day Saints (LDS) by studying a pattern from the life of the Prophet Joseph Smith — the visit of the angel Moroni, who appeared four times on September 21-23 to teach a 14-year-old boy how the heavens open. Because God is no respecter of persons, you can follow the same pattern of revelation Joseph did: discerning spiritual promptings, learning to hear Him, receiving dreams and visions, and ultimately coming into the presence of the Savior — each experience building confidence for the next. Tia walks through the scriptures Moroni quoted in sequence — Malachi 3 and 4, Isaiah 11, Acts 3, and Joel 2 — and shows how they reveal God's highest priorities: preparing for the Second Coming and gathering Israel through temple and family history work. She weaves in President Russell M. Nelson's teachings on growing into the principle of revelation, along with Elder David A. Bednar and President Jeffrey R. Holland, and closes by unpacking why Moroni came exactly four times, and what the number four teaches about the gathering of Israel.
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Q: How can I have more spiritual experiences or learn to part the veil?
A: Tia Smith teaches that the pattern is found in the life of Joseph Smith. Moroni taught a sequence that builds step by step — first discerning spiritual promptings, then learning to hear Him, then receiving dreams and visions, and ultimately coming into the Savior's presence. Each experience builds confidence for the next, and the invitation is open to anyone gathering Israel, because God is no respecter of persons.
Q: Why did the angel Moroni appear to Joseph Smith four times?
A: Moroni repeated nearly the same message four times, on the night of September 21 and again the next day. In this episode Tia explores why the number four matters — in Hebrew the letter for four, dalet, means "door," and four is tied throughout scripture to the gathering of Israel from the four parts of the earth, the four matriarchs, the Feast of Tabernacles, and the sealing work of the temple.
Q: What did Moroni actually teach Joseph Smith?
A: Moroni quoted Malachi 3 and 4, Isaiah 11, Acts 3, and Joel 2 in a deliberate sequence. Together they teach the purpose of revelation — preparing the world for the Second Coming — and the method: temple and family history work, so that the hearts of the children turn to their fathers and both sides of the veil are prepared.
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