Chris and Andy briefly talk about the ‘Pluribus’ Season 1 finale (1:02), before they’re joined by series creator Vince Gilligan and star Rhea Seehorn to unpack the episode (8:25). They discuss Carol and Zosia’s complicated relationship, how they tackled the measured rhythm of the story, the challenges Seehorn encountered in acting opposite the Others, writing the second season, and much more.

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Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald

Guests: Vince Gilligan and Rhea Seehorn

Producers: Kaya McMullen and Kai Grady

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