In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose.

Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull

Editor: Chelsea Moore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Producer: Sam Morris

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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